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Planned initiatives to achieve 43% reduction by 2030
ATTACHMENT A
FOI 789/22/23 
Document 42 
Modelled greenhouse gas 
Attachment 1
Initiative
Detail
emission reduction by 2030  Other Identified Benefits
(per annum) 
Existing emission reduction 
Initiatives put in place since 2005 delivering 
438,594 tonnes
initiatives
emissions reductions
Transition of commercial fleet at natural end of 
Electric and Hybrid 
Lower running and sustainment 
life to hybrid or electric vehicles which are fit for 
154,900 tonnes
commercial vehicle fleet
costs
purpose
Commercially viable drop in replacement fuels 
Low emission fuel transition 
with low or zero emissions will gradually 
30,500 tonnes
transition between now and 2050
Emissions reduction per annum for projects 
$470,000 per annum  reduction 
1,778 tonnes
completed and operational
in energy costs
Defence Renewable Energy 
Emissions reduction per annum for projects in 
$1,190,000 per annum 
9,600 tonnes
and Energy Security Program delivery
reduction in energy costs
Emissions reduction per annum for projects in 
$8,325,000 per annum 
31,600 tonnes
design & procurement
reduction in energy costs
Drive market investment into 
Retail energy contract review
Buy green energy from the grid
560,300 tonnes renewable energy
Develop base land use model and undertake 
Biodiversity and habitat 
Carbon Sequestration trials
dedicated land management practices to 
45,000 tonnes improvements
sequester carbon on Defence land.
Total emissions reduction per annum
1,272,272 tonnes1
1 These are modelled estimates and do not account for any significant increases in fuel use as a result of additional military operations and exercises

Defence Renewable Energy & Energy Security Program (DREESP) - Schedule
FOI 789/22/23 
Document 42 
Attachment 2
Emissions 
Solar Size  Battery Size  (tonnes carbon 
Completed & Operational
Project Type
(Megawatts)
(Megawatt Hrs) dioxide/yr)
Savings ($ p.a.) Energy Security
s33(a)(i)
ADSCS Geraldton (WA)
Solar
1.26
N/A
1,470 $      137,000
Yampi Sound Training Area (WA)
Solar + Battery
0.03
0.06
37 $      133,000
Beecroft Air Weapons Range (NSW)
2x Solar + Battery
0.08
0.14
271 $      200,000
Total
1.37
0.20
1,778 $      470,000
Emissions 
Solar Size  Battery Size  (tonnes carbon 
Projects in Delivery
Project Type
(Megawatts)
(Megawatt Hrs) dioxide/yr)
Savings ($ p.a.) Energy Security
NT Power Purchase Agreement -
s33(a)(i)
Robertson Barracks & RAAF Darwin
Solar
14.00
N/A
8,100 $      540,000
Harts Range (NT - JORN)
Solar + Battery
1.20
1.50
1,500 $      650,000
Total
15.20
1.50
9,600 $  1
  ,190,000
Emissions 
Solar Size  Battery Size  (tonnes carbon 
Projects in Design & Procurement
Project Type
(Megawatts)
(Megawatt Hrs) dioxide/yr)
Savings ($ p.a.) Energy Security
NT Battery Energy Storage System -
Robertson Barracks & RAAF Darwin
Battery
N/A
2.46
2,025 $      140,000 s33(a)(i)
Woomera (SA)
Solar + Battery
3.00
2.00
1,500 $      457,000
Mulwala (NSW)
Solar
4.95
N/A
6,935 $      850,000
RAAF Tindal (NT)
Solar + Battery
6.50
2.00
6,440
2160000
Edinburgh (EDP)
Solar + Battery
30.00
15.00
14,700 $  4
  ,718,000
Total
44.45
21.46
31,600 $  8
  ,325,000
Tuesday, 8 November 2022



Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000425
Last updated: 06 April 2023
 
       310 St Kilda Road
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Celia Perkins; Monique Hamilton; Dan Fankhauser
Document 43

Upon completion of the 90 per cent design phase the project will be considered as part 
of the Estate Works Program prioritisation.

Prior to commencing any works, Defence will follow established processes and notify 
the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works of proposed works. 

Refurbishment works would create a mix of conferencing and flexible work spaces 
capable of accommodating small to large groups simultaneously. These facilities are 
much needed in the Melbourne Metro footprint with limited availability at both 
Victoria Barracks Melbourne and Defence Plaza Melbourne. 

Once refurbishment is complete, Defence related community groups would have use of 
the facilities on a non-exclusive basis. 

As 310 St Kilda Rd is located external to the security boundary of Victoria Barracks, it is 
more accessible for engagement with industry or Defence related community 
organisations.
Background 

310 St Kilda Rd is a former military repatriation hospital on the site of Victoria Barracks 
Melbourne. It has been vacant since the mid 1990’s and in May 2015 it was approved 
as surplus to Defence requirements. 

Between 2015 and 2021, Defence explored off-market sales opportunities in 
accordance with the Commonwealth Property Disposal Policy. Three unsuccessful 
attempts to achieve an off-market sale agreement occurred:

December 2016 – the Victorian Government offered to acquire the site subject to 
a number of conditions, including unrestricted use. Defence could not agree to 
the sale on those terms as the unrestricted use condition is contrary to the 
Commonwealth Property Disposal Policy which requires a ‘Security of Purpose’ 
condition, locking in a site’s future use. 

February 2019 – the Victorian Government confirmed they were not in a position 
to develop an off-market sale proposal consistent with the Commonwealth 
Property Disposal Policy, and the financial viability of the property was its main 
concern.

October 2021 – after protracted consideration, the City of Melbourne declined 
acquisition of the site, citing the significant capital investment required to 
refurbish the site.

310 St Kilda Rd was removed from the Defence Estate Divestment program in 2021 
after the third unsuccessful divestment attempt. 

In June 2022, Melbourne-based architectural practice Lovell Chen completed a 
feasibility study which provided Defence with three options for the adaptive re-use of 
310 St Kilda Rd for Defence purposes. Lovell Chen are specialists in heritage and 
conservation, particularly the adaptive re-use of heritage buildings.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alex Muises-Khoury
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Regional Services Melbourne
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Service Delivery
Group/Service: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000425
Last updated: 06 April 2023
 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Celia Perkins; Monique Hamilton; Dan Fankhauser
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The study identified re-use options compatible with the useable space in the building 
and an acceptable heritage outcome. The three options explored were:

Option 1 – An office environment – A single tenancy environment with open plan 
office spaces and meeting rooms.

Option 2 – A conference centre and space for Defence community – A dual 
tenancy option which provides space for both Defence, and Defence-related 
community group use.

Option 3 – Office, conference, and childcare – A triple tenancy option providing 
space for Defence and Defence-related community organisation use with the 
addition of a childcare facility, as well as basement and potential third story 
redevelopment. 

The costs provided by Lovell Chen were estimates only and relevant to the 
constructions costs at the time. Some of the identified works have either been 
delivered through the remediation works delivered or removed from future scope.

These options have been assessed against the Defence Estate Strategy and other 
criteria to meet current and future Defence workforce needs and ensure heritage 
obligations are met, building standards and codes are met, and the building provides a 
functional multi-purpose space.

Defence has developed a detailed business case based on the Lovell Chen feasibility 
study and has progressed in developing detailed design, scope and costings.

The project will be considered through the Estate Works Program prioritisation process 
and programmed for delivery accordingly.
Site use by Defence-related community and Veterans organisations

Defence has received informal requests for the use of 310 St Kilda Rd for the 
establishment of Department of Veterans Affairs, Defence Veterans and Families Hub in 
Melbourne.

The Royal United Services Institute Victoria has also made representations to be 
provided space within the site, primarily to accommodate its library and to facilitate 
meetings.

For the past seven years, the Australian National Veterans Arts Museum has lobbied 
extensively to acquire the site. Representations have occurred to current and former 
senior Australian Government officials, the Victorian Government, the City of 
Melbourne, and external agencies.  

Defence has previously advised Australian National Veterans Arts Museum that a 
transfer of the site for its exclusive use would be inconsistent with the Commonwealth 
Property Disposal Policy and that the site would require significant investment to 
refurbish the site for non-Defence use.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alex Muises-Khoury
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Regional Services Melbourne
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Service Delivery
Group/Service: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000425
Last updated: 06 April 2023
 
       310 St Kilda Road
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Celia Perkins; Monique Hamilton; Dan Fankhauser
Document 43

On 1 December 2022, Defence became aware of Australian National Veterans Arts 
Museum correspondence addressed to Mr Josh Burns MP, Member for Macnamara, 
dated 17 October 2022, which included a second Australian National Veterans Arts 
Museum proposal for the use of 310 St Kilda Rd. This advice proposes Australian 
National Veterans Arts Museum has exclusive use of the major portion of the building 
with Defence using the remainder. This proposal is not consistent with the Defence 
Estate Civil Use Policy and prevents the use of the facility by other Defence related 
community groups.

Defence has assessed all proposals and sale offers to ensure consistency and 
compatibility with: 

Commonwealth Property Disposal Policy; 

Defence Estate Strategy 2016–36;

Defence Estate Civil Use Policy; 

Victoria Barracks Melbourne Redevelopment Project; and 

planned future Defence workforce growth and the organisational needs of units 
at Victoria Barracks Melbourne and the Melbourne region. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Senate Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 51, 310 St Kilda Rd, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) asked to be provided with 
information regarding Defence’s FOI request response history, as well as information 
pertaining to 310 St Kilda Rd, and office accommodation. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

On 29 September 2022, Senator David Van sought access under FOI to documentation 
relating to 310 St Kilda Rd. Documents were released on 8 November 2022.

On 13 October 2022, Mr Keith Wolahan sought access under FOI to documentation 
relating to 310 St Kilda Rd. Documents were released on 9 November 2022. 
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 17 February 2022, the then Minister for Defence Industry issued a press release on 
the engagement of Lovell Chen. Review to breathe new life into historic Melbourne 
Defence facility.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alex Muises-Khoury
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Regional Services Melbourne
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Service Delivery
Group/Service: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000425
Last updated: 06 April 2023
 
       310 St Kilda Road
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Celia Perkins; Monique Hamilton; Dan Fankhauser
Document 43
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 06 December 2022 Southbank News published an article titled Feasibility study 
“does not respect the heritage” of 310 St Kilda Rd. Journalist Sean Car covers the 
Australian National Veterans’ Arts Museum response to Lovell Chen’s feasibility study. 

On 05 October 2022 Southbank News published an article titled “An insult to veterans”: 
Former repatriation clinic to be used for offices and meeting rooms. Journalist Sean Car 
covers the Assistant Minister for Defence’s letter to Australian National Veterans’ Arts 
Museum. 
Division: 
Service Delivery Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000425
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Alex Muises-Khoury, a/Assistant Secretary 
Monique Hamilton, First Assistant Secretary, 
South East Zone, Security & Estate Group
Security & Estate Group
Ph: s22
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 3 April 2023
Date: 4 April 2023  
Consultation:  Pat Sowry, Assistant Secretary  Date:  3 April 2023
Estate Planning Branch
Mob: s22
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 6 April 2023  
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary, Security and Estate
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
310 St Kilda Road
Senator David Van
Written Question
1. How many times has the Department of Defence failed to deliver on its statutory 
requirements to respond to Freedom of Information requests? 
2. Defence has indicated it needs to use 310 St Kilda Road for meeting rooms and offices, in 
the context of the strategic requirements of the broader Victoria Barracks precinct; 
a) Can Defence provide a copy of the scope for the current works underway? 
b) What are the latest cost estimates for the refurbishment? 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alex Muises-Khoury
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Regional Services Melbourne
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Service Delivery
Group/Service: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000425
Last updated: 06 April 2023
 
       310 St Kilda Road
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Celia Perkins; Monique Hamilton; Dan Fankhauser
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c) With the refurbishment and ongoing operational costs, what will the annual per 
square meter cost be for this building be? 
d) What is the current per square meter rate for commercial office spaces in 
Melbourne?
e) Has Defence conducted analysis on the most cost-effective location for offices in 
Australia? If so can Defence provide this analysis? 
3. Between Victoria Barracks Melbourne and Defence Plaza Melbourne, how many meeting 
rooms are there? What is the full time occupancy rate of these rooms? 
4. How many workstations are there at Victoria Barracks and Defence Plaza? 
5. How many workstations will be installed at 310 St Kilda Rd?
Answer 
1. Defence processed 71 per cent of Freedom of Information requests in 2021-22 within 
the applicable statutory period, compared to the Australian Government average of 70 
per cent. 
2.
a) The scope of works for the initial preservation and site preparation works currently 
underway at 310 St Kilda Road is at Attachment A. 
b) The cost estimate for the current refurbishment works to 310 St Kilda Road is $4.7 
million. Cost estimates for the adaptive re-use works will be subject to development 
of a proposed design. 
c) These costs are unknown at this time as the design is not finalised and construction 
works not yet tendered. 
d) The Whole of Australian Government property provider, Jones Lang LaSalle, has 
advised the current commercial market rates for office accommodation in the 
Melbourne Central Business District as follows: 
• Office accommodation over 2,000m2 Net Lettable Area is approximately 
$607/m2, pa; and 
• Office accommodation under 2,000m2 Net Lettable Area is approximately 
$599/m2, pa. 
e) No. Defence regularly reviews its estate holdings to ensure that its disposition 
continues to meet the current and future capability needs of the Australian Defence 
Force. 
3. Across both Victoria Barracks Melbourne and Defence Plaza Melbourne there are three 
conference rooms and 16 meeting rooms with 82 per cent utilisation on average. 
4. There are 2,331 and 1,337 workstations at Victoria Barracks Melbourne and Defence 
Plaza Melbourne, respectively. 
5. These numbers are unknown at this time as the design is not finalised. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alex Muises-Khoury
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Regional Services Melbourne
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Service Delivery
Group/Service: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000650
Last updated: 19 May 2023
         Retired US navy personnel advising Defence
                                  
        
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm; Greg Moriarty
Document 44
What advice has been provided to the Government by retired United States Navy personnel?

The advice provided by the panel to support the Government’s decision making is 
presented to Cabinet and is therefore confidential.
Why have you engaged former United States Navy and United States Department of Defense 
personnel to advise on shipbuilding and submarines? 

The United States has personnel with extensive experience in shipbuilding and 
submarine programs. 

As the public might reasonably expect, we leverage this experience by selectively 
employing individuals, both former government officials and retired senior United 
States Navy officers.

Panel members have a range of relevant experience in naval ship design and 
construction, shipbuilding, infrastructure, complex procurement, and national level 
project management that we are drawing upon. 
Does the dominance of the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel by United States citizens 
reflect a US bias? 

No. Defence draws on a mix of expertise, including from US, UK and Australian 
nationals from government, industry and military backgrounds.

The Panel currently has six members appointed, four of which are United States 
nationals. The other two members are British and Australian. 
Are Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members advising and/or connected with the 
United States shipbuilding industry and does this represent a conflict of interest? 

Defence monitors all advisor engagements in line with our probity responsibilities.

Defence ensures that all individuals have the appropriate security, confidentiality, and 
conflict of interest arrangements and obligations in place and that these are regularly 
reviewed.
Background 
Advice to the Government provided by retired United States Navy personnel

Advice to the Government supports the identification of emerging challenges, risks and 
opportunities, and helps inform decisions required to achieve capability outcomes.

Advisors are not engaged in a decision-making capacity. The Government uses the 
advice to support its decision making.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000650
Last updated: 19 May 2023
         Retired US navy personnel advising Defence
                                  
        
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm; Greg Moriarty
Document 44
Remuneration of retired United States Navy personnel acting as advisors

Individual consultancy rates are reflective of the level of expertise each member brings 
to their role on the panel. Each member has been engaged via an individual 
consultancy agreement.

Members are remunerated for the actual time they spend forming and providing their 
advice – this is generally well below the contract ‘not to exceed amount’ published on 
AusTender. 
Costs to Defence of Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 
Panel

Total expenditure against Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board member contracts for 
services and reimbursables between January 2017 and December 2020 was 
approximately $6.0 million.

Contracts for the six Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members are published 
on AusTender and reflect a total ‘not to exceed amount’ of $5.81 million (including 
GST) over the life of the contracts, including services, reimbursables and Independent 
Analysis support.

Expenditure against the six Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel member contracts 
for services and reimbursables from 1 February 2021 to 31 March 2023 was 
approximately $3.1 million (GST exclusive). This amount includes member activities to 
support the Shipbuilding Masterclass.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Supplementary Budget Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 11, ADM Consultants, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked (as a follow up to the response tabled to QoN 12 from Budget Estimates on 
9 November 2022) what Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members Vice 
Admiral William Hilarides United States Navy (Retd) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles 
United States Navy (Retd) (as well as Admiral Kirkland Donald United States Navy 
(Retd)) had been paid ‘up to this point’. 
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 10, Paul Sullivan contract, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked to be provided with the contract value of Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan United States 
Navy (Retd) covering his time as a member of the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board. 

QoN 12, former US government officials, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western 
Australia) asked to be provided with information on what advice Rear Admiral David 
Gale United States Navy (Retd) was providing to the Department as well as the contract 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000650
Last updated: 19 May 2023
         Retired US navy personnel advising Defence
                                  
        
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm; Greg Moriarty
Document 44
values for Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members Vice Admiral William 
Hilarides United States Navy (Retd), Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles United States Navy 
(Retd), and former Submarine Advisory Committee member Admiral Kirkland Donald 
United States Navy (Retd). 
Handling Note: This QoN, updated and tabled on 18 April 2023, corrected the value of 
contract values for Vice Admiral William Hilarides. 

QoN 17, US retired Admirals declaration of other interests, Senator David Shoebridge 
(Greens, New South Wales) asked whether any retired United States Admirals advising 
the Government had declared any interests in companies that build nuclear powered 
submarines. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting

27 April 2023 – Australia pays former US officials $7k a day for advice. The Sydney 
Morning Herald reports that various retired senior US military officers have been paid 
up to $7500 a day for advice on major defence projects. The Herald reports that VADM 
Hilarides “would be hired to lead a snap review of the RAN’s surface fleet” and reports 
he had previously been paid “up to $US1.6 million since 2016” and charged $US4000 a 
day. 

27 April 2023 – Retired US admirals charging Australian taxpayers thousands of dollars 
per day as defence consultants. ABC News reports that several retired US military 
officers (including VADM Hilarides) were contracted by Defence as consultants and 
comments on their remuneration. 

26 April 2023 – Defence Strategic Review: US Admiral William Hilarides wins plum job 
reviewing Australian Fleet. The Australian reports that VADM Hilarides “won a lucrative 
Australian contract as the head of a review that will determine the future size and 
structure of the Royal Australian Navy”. The Australian further reports past 
remuneration for VADM Hilarides of $US1.3 million since 2016 and charges of $US4000 
a day for consulting. 

25 April 2023 – Retired US Admiral who has previously advised Australia on 
shipbuilding to lead fresh review on navy’s warship fleet. ABC News reports that VADM 
Hilarides, Ms Huxtable and VADM Mayer will all conduct the analysis into the Navy 
surface Fleet and comments on VADM Hilarides’ remuneration.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 19 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm; Greg Moriarty
Document 44

25 April 2023 – Retired NSA director won lucrative consulting deals with Saudis, Japan. 
The Washington Post reports on several retired US military officials who have provided 
consultancy services to foreign governments. The Post reports that VADM Hilarides is 
“the second-highest earner” (of this group) who, since 2016, has earned up to $1.6 
million from consulting contracts to the Government of Australia and reports he will be 
leading the independent analysis review.

7 March 2023 – Former top U.S. admiral cashes in on nuclear sub deal with Australia. 
Reporters Craig Whitlock and Nate Jones at the Washington Post published an article 
that focusses on former United States Navy officials consulting the Australian 
government on shipbuilding programs, the work of Admiral John Richardson United 
States Navy (Retd) and specifically mentions Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
members Vice Admiral William Hilarides United States Navy (Retd) and Rear Admiral 
Thomas Eccles United States Navy (Retd) including their purported remuneration. 

23 November 2022 – Labor retains Coalition-appointed shipbuilding adviser on $9,000 
for each day worked. Journalist Daniel Hurst at The Guardian published an article that 
focussed on work undertaken since the change of government by Professor Donald 
Winter, the Prime Minister’s Special Adviser on Naval Shipbuilding. The article is 
informed by a Freedom of Information request submitted to the Department of the 
Prime Minister and Cabinet and focuses on his remuneration and says that the 
Government wants the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel ‘to be the main 
external source of naval shipbuilding advice’. 

2 November 2022 – Undue Influence: Defence ‘a tangle of overlapping interests’. 
Journalist Michelle Fahy at Pearls and Irritations wrote about the Commonwealth’s use 
of retired United States Navy personnel and questioned if their advice included the 
cancellation of the Attack Submarine Program and if this represented a conflict of 
interest. 

31 October 2022 – Documents reveal extent of former US military chiefs working for 
Australia. Reporter Charles Miranda at the Daily Telegraph published an article 
suggesting there are security and conflict of interest concerns related to retired United 
States Navy personnel advising the Government on shipbuilding programs. 

25 October 2022 – US Admirals driving AUKUS had conflict of interest: Washington 
Post. Reporter Mike Scrafton at Pearls and Irritations published an article that focussed 
on the use of retired United States Navy personnel and potential conflicts of interest.  

24 October 2022 – Crikey published an article titled, Australia’s submarine debacle, and 
how the carousel keeps spinning for retired US Navy officials. The article references the 
Washington Post article regarding the use of retired United States Navy personnel and 
potential conflicts of interest.

18 October 2022 – Retired U.S. admirals advise Australia on deal for nuclear 
submarines (mrt.com). Reporters Craig Whitlock and Nate Jones at The Washington 
Post published an article that focussed on the engagement of retired United States 
personnel in support of shipbuilding and submarines. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone s47E(d)
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Division:
Associate Secretary Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000650
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Peter Coleman, A/g Assistant Secretary, 
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
Associate Secretary Group
Secretariat, Associate Secretary Group
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 18 May 2023 
Date: 18 May 2023
Consultation:  Ms Stacie Hall, First Assistant 
Date:  18 May 2023  
Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding and 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Sustainment Enterprise Headquarters
Ms Megan Lees, First Assistant Secretary 
Date:  16 May 2023  
Nuclear-Powered Submarines Taskforce
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by CFO: Tracey Mackrow 
Date: 18 May 2023
Cleared by Associate Secretary:
Date: 18 May 2023  
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, Associate 
Secretary Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023 
ADM Consultants
Senator Jordon Steele John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: In the answers you provided on notice in relation to Rear Admiral 
Thomas Eccles,
Vice Admiral William Hilarides and Admiral Kirkland Donald, the combined total of the 
payments made to those three individuals was some $5.3 million. Can you confirm that was 
the answer you gave to us?
Mr Dalton: The response we gave you in that question on notice is the maximum amount 
they could be paid if they worked all of the days they were allowed to work under their 
contract, so their individual payments will be a total less than that sum.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: How much have they been paid to this point?
Mr Dalton: I'll take that on notice, Senator.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senator STEELE-JOHN: In that context, then, I'm very keen to know how much Admiral 
Richardson has been paid by the department to this point. What is the value of his contract-
those 100 days over two years?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'll take that on notice, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: And what's the duration of the contract that former Admiral 
Richardson is under?
Vice Adm. Mead: I believe it's approximately two to three years, but I'll take that on notice.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Given it is a structure to exceed no more than a certain period of time 
over a certain number of days, if you break it down, how much are we paying these 
individuals per hour for their advice?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'd have to take that on notice, Senator.
Answer
Admiral John Richardson USN (Retd) has provided advice to Department since November 
2022. Admiral Richardson has been paid $33,476.64 (excluding GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Admiral Richardson is engaged on a 12-month contract. The contract includes two 12-month 
extension options at the Commonwealth’s discretion. 
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department from December 2017 
to 2022. Admiral Donald was paid $297,319.97 (excluding GST). 
Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. 
Vice Admiral Hilarides has been paid $1,582,430.82 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. Rear 
Admiral Eccles has been paid $699,118.68 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Individual payment rates for Admiral Richardson, Admiral Donald, Vice Admiral Hilarides and 
Rear Admiral Eccles are commercially sensitive.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Paul Sullivan contract
Senator Jordon Steele-John
Spoken Question 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. I'll move to advice that the government has received 
around the partnership and the acquisition of the capability. My understanding is that Paul 
Sullivan, a retired vice admiral who, for a time, was hired as a submarine consultant after 
working at an American national security lab that conducts sensitive research projects for the 
US Navy, was employed by the department under a contract valued at about $414,000 over a 
period of four years. Would you be able to confirm that? That's Vice Admiral Paul E Sullivan. 
Vice Adm. Mead: I'll hand that question over to Mr Tony Dalton. I have not directly employed 
former vice admiral Paul Sullivan. He is working in the US. We do receive advice, and we have 
sought advice from our partners over the past 12 months, as you can imagine, Senator, but 
I've not actually employed Admiral Paul Sullivan. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone s47E(d)
 / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Sullivan was a member of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board. I can take on notice to get the periods during which he was a member of that 
board. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: And the figure of $414,228 for his employment over the four-year 
period? 
Mr Dalton: I'll take that on notice. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. These are figures in the public domain, so, if you would be 
able to come back to the committee before the end of the day with that information, that'd 
be ideal. Would you be able to do that?
Answer
Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (ret) was engaged as a member of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board (NSAB) from 8 December 2016 until 30 December 2020. 
The total not to exceed value of his contract (including services and reimbursables) over this 
period was $550,242.00 (including GST). 
Vice Admiral Sullivan resigned from the NSAB on 5 March 2020.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022 
Former United States government officials 
Senator Jordon Steele-John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Mr Dalton, Rear Admiral David Gale was on active duty 
before he submitted his paperwork to the Pentagon to be able to come and work for 
Australia. I believe he has been employed by the department to the tune of US$222,000. I'm 
wondering whether you can confirm his employment status with the department. Mr Dalton: 
I'm not familiar with that particular case, but I will take it on notice. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: It's Rear Admiral David Gale. He was a consultant, and I believe is still a 
consultant, on the Future Frigate program. Then we've got a Mr Thomas Eccles, a former rear 
admiral of the United States who retired in 2013 and has served, I think, for the last five years 
or so as a consultant. What role does the former rear admiral serve with the department? 
Mr Dalton: Admiral Eccles was one of the founding members of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board, and his role has continued under the new Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 
Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Finally, there is Mr William Hilarides, a former vice-admiral 
who, I think, is currently in the role of member of the Australian Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board. 
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Hilarides is a foundation member of the Naval 
Shipbuilding Advisory Board and he now chairs the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Again, the value of the contracts that we have had with— 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Mr Moriarty: If I could, Admiral Hilarides has on a couple of occasions provided evidence to 
this committee. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, I am aware of that. If you can do that, it would be fantastic. 
Finally, in relation to former admiral Donald Kirkland, he was a member of the Australian 
Submarine Advisory Committee? 
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Kirkland was a member of the Australian Submarine 
Advisory Committee. He is no longer serving in that capacity. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: No, he is not. He was found to be—it was kind of made public that he 
was also acting at the time as chairman of the Huntington Ingalls Industries group, since 2020 
I believe. 
Mr Dalton: We were aware of his other roles; he had declared that. He wasn't involved in 
providing advice on aspects that touched on Huntington. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: He has stepped back from that position, as of April, because of a 
potential conflict of interest. 
Mr Dalton: From the Submarine Advisory Committee? 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes. 
Mr Dalton: Yes. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Because of a potential conflict of interest. 
Mr Dalton: With the expansion of the submarine program to include a nuclear powered 
submarine program in which Huntington Ingalls would have an interest. I will just reinforce, in 
his capacity as a member of the Submarine Advisory Committee he did not provide advice on 
nuclear powered submarines. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: I believe his contract was worth about US$255,000, but can you take 
that on notice for me, as well. 
Mr Dalton: Yes. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Finally, can you give us an idea of whether there are any former 
members of the Navy currently advising Defence in relation to the AUKUS negotiations, other 
than the individuals I have listed? 
Mr Dalton: I'm probably not best placed to talk about who is providing advice in relation to 
AUKUS, but I can certainly advise you about the members of the Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Advisory Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, you could, or someone else at the table. 
Mr Moriarty: Senator, we will get you a list of all former members of the US Navy who are 
providing advice to Defence across any program.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone s47E(d)
 / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm; Greg Moriarty
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Answer
Rear Admiral David Gale USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period 
September 2016 to October 2018 in relation to the Hunter class frigate program and 
continuous naval shipbuilding.
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Eccles’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $1,214,105.75 
(including GST).
Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Hilarides’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $2,437,298.56 
(including GST).
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period 
December 2017 to April 2022 in relation to the Collins and Attack class submarine programs. 
The total not to exceed value of Admiral Donald’s contracts (including services and 
reimbursables) for advice through the Submarine Advisory Committee over this period was 
$2,219,351.98 (excluding GST). Admiral Donald resigned with two years remaining on his final 
contract.
Former United States Navy officers currently providing advice to the Department:
Name
Advisory Capacity
Rear Admiral Thomas ECCLES
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
Vice Admiral William 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
HILARIDES
Captain Vernon HUTTON
Development of nuclear mindset and supporting infrastructure 
and facilities.
Captain Kevin JONES
Development of the Nuclear Stewardship Framework.
Captain Matt KOSNAR
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Admiral John RICHARDSON
Specialist advice on nuclear stewardship, workforce, and 
technical matters.
Commander Andy STEERE
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Captain Bryan STILL
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
United States retired Admirals declaration of other interests
Senator David Shoebridge 
Spoken Question 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Have any other of these retired US admirals had an interest in 
companies that build nuclear-powered submarines? 
Mr Dalton: Not to my knowledge. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: You say 'not to your knowledge'? 
Mr Dalton: Yes, not to my knowledge. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Do you say, sitting there, that you have full knowledge of their 
disclosures? 
Mr Dalton: I have not personally seen their declarations. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Would you take it on notice as to whether or not at any point they 
have an interest in any company that builds nuclear-powered submarines? 
Mr Dalton: We will take that on notice. 
Answer
Vice Admiral William Hilarides and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles have not declared any 
interest in companies that build nuclear-powered submarines. 
Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson, and Rear Admiral David Gale did 
not declare any interest in companies that build nuclear-powered submarines.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter Coleman
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Position: Associate Secretary 
Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Justine Greig 
Document 45

3.6 per cent Permanent First Nations ADF members, a 1 per cent increase since 
1 May 2018 (2.6 per cent)

3.1 per cent Reserve First Nations ADF members, a 1 per cent increase since 
1 May 2018 (2.1 per cent)

2.1 per cent Ongoing First Nations APS employees, a 0.1 per cent decrease since 
1 May 2018 (2.2 per cent)

In line with the development of Defence’s next First Nations Approach, Defence has set 
a new First Nations Employment Participation Target of five per cent for Defence’s 
integrated workforce to be achieved by 2025.  

First Nations Participation rates are captured through self-identification in Defence 
systems.

Defence’s Indigenous Participation rates are consistent with the Indigenous population 
across Australia, which currently sits at 3.2 per cent (based on the 2021 Census of 
Population and Housing). 
Defence’s First Nations Approach

Following the end of Defence’s fourth Reconciliation Action Plan (D-RAP) in December 
2022, Defence has taken the opportunity to further elevate the voices of First Nations 
personnel by engaging directly on what’s next; the Defence First Nations Approach. 

Initial engagement with Defence personnel regarding the First Nations Approach 
was completed in March 2023.

The First Nations Approach provides Defence with an opportunity to align directly to 
the National Agreement on Closing the Gap, noting the National Agreement was 
developed through deep consultation with First Nations communities and voices.

Defence will remain engaged with Reconciliation Australia and the National Indigenous 
Australians Agency (NIAA) to ensure the approach aligns with the National Agreement 
and has a strong focus on Reconciliation. 

As we respect the time that genuine engagement takes, we are expecting to deliver a 
First Nations Approach in the second half of this year (2023). 
If pressed: about Defence’s position on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice 
Referendum

Defence recognises that Government has supporting roles to set the environment for 
the ‘yes’ referendum campaigns, as well as supporting the Defence workforce through 
the referendum.

Defence is committed to supporting our people, particularly First Nations people, 
during this time and upholding the impartiality of Defence. 

Defence personnel have a right to personal and political views, including on the 
referendum and proposed Voice to Parliament. This must however be balanced with 
the obligations of Defence employment and must remain apolitical. 

Defence recognises there are a diversity of views being expressed, which some may 
find distressing.  
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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In May, the Secretary and CDF sent out a message to all Defence personnel reminding 
them of their obligations to the Defence Values and Behaviours in the lead-up to the 
Referendum. 

The all-staff message provided details of support services available for personnel 
impacted by negative commentary and discourse around the Referendum.   
Defence’s Indigenous Champions subsequently distributed communications to all 
Defence Senior Leaders reminding them of the need to support all personnel, 
particularly First Nations personnel, in the lead-up to the Referendum, given the 
impact of public commentary on many personnel.    

A comprehensive Intranet site has been developed to support personnel in the lead-up 
to the Referendum which includes details of support services available. These include:

The Defence Employee Assistance Program (EAP) (1300 687 327) and the 
ADF Health & Wellbeing 'Fighting Fit' Portal.  

The Employee Assistance Program's dedicated First Nations Helpline and 13YARN, 
the national support hotline. 
Cultural awareness

First Nations cultural awareness:

 fosters a more inclusive and culturally safe workplace in Defence, which fully 
appreciates the unique skillsets that First Nations peoples bring to the Defence 
workforce;

supports reconciliation and contributes to the National Agreement

enriches engagement with First Nations communities across Australia.

supports Defence being recognised and appreciated as an employer of choice for 
First Nations peoples. 

Defence’s Indigenous Cultural Learning Portal is an online ‘one-stop shop’ to build 
cultural understanding, including knowledge of the diversity of First Nations peoples, 
their languages, histories and rich cultural traditions. 

The Portal provides Defence personnel with access to a range of online courses, 
key policies, reports and websites, in addition to information on cultural 
immersion activities.

Defence participates in the Jawun secondment program through which Defence 
personnel embed with First Nations leaders, organisations and communities to achieve 
personal development goals, while making meaningful contributions to the lives of First 
Nations people and their communities.

Jawun provides a unique cultural immersion experience for participants and is 
designed to increase their understanding, value and recognition of Indigenous 
cultures, histories and knowledge while enhancing their own existing leadership 
qualities. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If asked: about whether the D-RAP has been audited by a First Nations community 
organisation

Defence’s previous D-RAP was developed in partnership with Defence Groups and 
Services, the Defence Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Network (DATSIN), the 
Defence Indigenous Champion, the Indigenous Cultural Advisory Group (ICAG) and an 
external Indigenous Cultural Advisor. 

In 2021, the Australian Human Rights Commission delivered its Indigenous Inclusivity in 
Defence report. As part of its development, extensive consultation was undertaken 
with First Nations communities, which was used to inform a comparative review of how 
Defence was tracking in relation to the D- RAP. 

The report was used to establish current and potential activities and initiatives in 
Defence, including the development of the First Nations Approach.

Following the conclusion of the D-RAP in 2022, a national engagement process was 
undertaken with First Nations stakeholders to assess outstanding D-RAP deliverables 
and engage on a new approach. 

Ongoing engagement continues with First Nations personnel and other key 
stakeholders on Defence’s First Nations approach.
Background
Outcomes of the Defence Reconciliation Action Plan 2019-2022

The Defence Reconciliation Action Plan 2019-2022 (the D-RAP) nominally ended in 
December 2022.

Defence has successfully completed 42 of the 61 D-RAP actions (69 per cent). 

One action will not be achieved.

The 18 actions not met in the lifecycle of the D-RAP, will be assessed for potential 
incorporation into the First Nations Approach currently being developed.
First Nations Recruitment and Employment

Defence has multiple pathways for First Nations peoples to join the ADF. 

The Tri-Service Indigenous Pre-Recruit Program (IPRP) is a six week residential 
course for First Nations people focusing on boosting physical fitness, personal 
development and cultural appreciation.  

Navy and Army both offer First Nations Development Programs for those who 
want to join the ADF but may be challenged by required reading, writing or 
fitness levels. 

Air Force Indigenous Recruitment Pathways, which includes fitness, education 
and mentoring programs supported by TAFE courses, tertiary bridging initiatives 
and undergraduate study programs.

Defence has a targeted Australian Defence Force Specialist Recruiting Team – 
Indigenous, who mentor First Nations candidates through each of the programs and 
engage with community leaders to promote the ADF as an employer of choice.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
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For civilian employment pathways, Defence supports the Indigenous APS pathways 
program, the Indigenous Graduate Pathway and the Indigenous Apprenticeship 
Program (IAP). 

Defence manages the marketing and recruitment for the 12-month Australian 
Government Indigenous Graduate Pathway on behalf of other federal 
government agencies.

The IAP is a 12-month program that provides on-the-job training while working at 
the APS 2 or 3 level towards a nationally recognised Certificate IV or Diploma 
qualification.

Defence participates in the Indigenous Australian Government Development 
Program (IAGDP), an entry-level 12 month program employment program open 
to all Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people.

Defence also regularly advertise positions under the APS Commissioner’s Indigenous 
Affirmative Measure. 
First Nations Retention

Defence supports a range of programs aimed to enhance career development for First 
Nations personnel designed to develop leadership skills in a culturally safe and 
appropriate manner. 

These include the Indigenous Development Employment Program (IDEP) and 
Emerging Indigenous Executive Leadership Program (EIELP) leadership programs. 

Defence has the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Network (DATSIN) – an employee 
network which is a communication vehicle providing informal support to its members.

First Nations employees have access to leave for cultural and ceremonial purposes, for 
example during NAIDOC Week.
Building cultural awareness into Defence policy, programs and strategy

First Nations personnel have historically made, and continue to make a significant 
contribution to Defence capability through their unique skillsets, knowledge and 
perspectives. 

Defence has formal structures in place across the organisation to ensure we are 
listening to First Nations voices and are culturally informed:

The Indigenous Cultural Advisory Group (ICAG) is comprised of Group and Service 
First Nations personnel selected by their senior leaders, and provides strategic 
cultural advice and guidance. 

This ensures policies, strategies, projects and programs are appropriately 
developed, targeted and culturally appropriate while still remaining focused 
on Defence capability.   

Service Elders guide their Services with cultural and strategic advice, mentoring 
and support, enhance cultural intelligence and enhance links with First Nations 
communities.  
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
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Army and Air Force have dedicated Indigenous Liaison Officer networks, which 
actively engage with First Nations communities and provide advice to leaders 
regarding cultural matters.

Community Engagement and Liaison Officers perform this function for 
Navy.  

For over a decade, Defence has appointed an Indigenous Champion to advocate 
for greater outcomes for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, 
communities and businesses. The role enables an inclusive culture by providing 
visible leadership, support and advocacy for a range of Indigenous initiatives 
across Defence.

The current Indigenous Champions are the Chief of Air Force and Deputy 
Secretary Security and Estate Group.
First Nations community assistance as part of Closing the Gap

The ADF provides community assistance to remote First Nations communities through 
Army’s Aboriginal Community Assistance Programme (AACAP) and Air Force’s Exercise 
Kummundoo. 

AACAP is a housing, infrastructure and essential services program while Exercise 
Kummundoo is a health (predominantly dental) program delivered to remote 
communities. These activities aim to improve environmental health and living 
conditions in remote First Nations communities. 
Defence’s contribution to the Indigenous Procurement Policy

Defence continues to exceed Australian Government targets under the Indigenous 
Procurement Policy (IPP).

Defence has awarded over 6,438 contracts to First Nation businesses at a value of 
$610 million for FY 20/21. 

We exceeded the target for FY 2020/21 of 676 contracts at a value of 
$110 million. 

Defence was this year again awarded Supply Nation’s Government Member of 
the Year Award for achievement in First Nations government procurement.  
If pressed: about Dual-naming of Defence Bases and Buildings

Defence’s conventions for the naming of major bases and establishments reflect the 
rich history and tradition of the Australian Defence Force. 

As an initiative of the previous D-RAP, Defence commenced a project to recognise First 
Nations place names alongside the existing base name at 55 major bases and 
establishments. Throughout 2020 and 2021, Defence engaged with traditional owner 
groups to reach agreement on the First Nations name for the bases in each location. 

In August 2021, following the impacts of COVID the decision was to not proceed with 
the dual-naming initiative and instead redirect efforts and resources to improve 
employment and procurement outcomes for First Nation Australians. 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
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‘Recognition of Indigenous Place Names on the Defence Estate’ project is proposed for 
inclusion in the next First Nations approach Defence is currently developing.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Additional Estimates: 15 February 2023

In QoN 1896, ADF’s Reconciliation Action Plan, Senator Shoebridge (Australian Greens, 
New South Wales) asked whether Defence’s Reconciliation Action Plan had been 
audited by any First Nations community organisations.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments  

DPM has made a number of recent comments in the media in support of the First 
Nations Voice to Parliament and Referendum.
Relevant Media Reporting 

There was some commentary around the 80th anniversary of the Torres Strait Islander 
Light Infantry Battalion, which occurred on 17 March 2023.

In October, there was media commentary around supports available for First Nations 
personnel in Defence and cultural safety following evidence given during Royal 
Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide hearings.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Division:
Culture and People Development Branch, People Policy and Culture 
Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000655
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
s47E(d)
, Director Culture Strategy 
David Nockels, First Assistant Secretary 
and Implementation, CPD 
People, Policy and Culture 
Mob: s22
Mob: s22
   
Date: 23 May 2023
Date: 24 May 2023  
Consultation: Army, Navy, RAAF, and Indigenous Champions
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 24 May 2023  
Justine Greig, Deputy Secretary Defence People
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Additional Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 1896: Defence Reconciliation Action Plan 2019-2022
Senator David Shoebridge
Question
Has the ADF's Reconciliation Action Plan been audited by a First Nations community 
organisation; if yes, which organisation; if not, why not.
Answer
Not yet tabled.
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Name: Justine Greig
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Annex 1 – Navy’s First Nations Participation

Navy Indigenous Advisor/Staff Officer Navy Indigenous Affairs

The Navy Indigenous Advisor and Senior Officer Navy Indigenous Advisor 
positions provide advice to Navy Senior Leadership on First Nations community 
issues or opportunities to attract, recruit and retain First Nations members within 
Navy. 

Based in Canberra, they are also engaged with other First Nations Service and 
Group teams in the creation of broader Defence First Nations policy and advice.

Senior Navy Indigenous Champion/Senior Navy Indigenous Member

The Senior Navy Indigenous Champion and Senior Navy Indigenous Member are 
ancillary positions who provide the National Indigenous Advisor and Senior 
Officer National Indigenous Advisor with messaging support at the Force 
Command and Senior Leadership level. 

The Senior Navy Indigenous Champion is also the primary driver of the Navy 
Strategic Indigenous Foundations project.

The Navy Indigenous Action Plan 2020-2023 (NIAP) 

The Navy Indigenous Action Plan is the first document created by Navy to marry 
the deliverables of the Defence Reconciliation Action Plan with actionable tasking 
and clear accountability for Navy Force and Unit Commands. 

The Action Plan remains extant and will be updated following the release of the 
Defence First Nations Approach document.

Regional Indigenous Development Coordinator Network

The Regional Indigenous Development Coordinator (RIDC) network consists of six 
permanent, identified positions attached to HMAS Cairns, HMAS Cerberus, HMAS 
Coonawarra, HMAS Kutttabul, the Shoalhaven (HMAS Albatross/Creswell) and 
HMAS Stirling. 

The RIDC’s are key drivers to culturally supportive and informed workplaces, 
assisting local Command and Divisional staff on pertinent policy and 
opportunities to provide culturally informed support to Indigenous members. 

RIDC’s are also key to linking Navy to Traditional Elders, Communities and 
Organisations in each region.

‘Navy Strategic Indigenous Foundations’ project

During the previous Chief of Navy’s visit to Blue Mud Bay in Apr 2022, the site of 
the 2008 High Court of Australia decision granting Indigenous people sea rights, 
the previous Chief of Navy met with Aboriginal artist and influential Indigenous 
leader, Djambawa Marawili, OAM.

This meeting was the first step in developing a narrative that links the Royal Navy 
history to Indigenous maritime history. 

This ongoing relationship and associated project builds a framework for the 
establishment and building of relationships between Individual Navy units and 
establishments and Traditional Owners, based on ceremonial home ports.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
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Navy Indigenous Development Program Elders

In recognition of the requirements to provide cultural safety and support, an 
Aunty and Uncle have been added to the Navy Indigenous Development Program 
staff from the beginning of 2022. 

Aunty Fran and Uncle Phillip are former members of the RAN and have been 
employed under the General Mariner category for their involvement with the 
Navy Indigenous Development Program.

Navy Indigenous Cultural Performer 

The RAN Band has created two positions for Indigenous members who play 
traditional Indigenous instruments to join the band.

Both Indigenous members also provide insight and Indigenous cultural elements 
to the Navy band and ceremonial engagements. 

The first member was engaged 2022.

Navy Indigenous Performance Group “Bungaree”

Established in 2013 as part of the Royal Australian Navy’s International Fleet 
Review, Bungaree provides Navy the ability to showcase the Traditional Cultural 
heritage of its First Nations members at International, Defence related or First 
Nations community events of significance. 

The cultural immersion camps attached to these performances also create 
important support networks and unofficial mentoring relationships between 
members.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
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Annex 2 – Army’s First Nations Participation

Army - Full-time Force

First Nations Australians comprise 3.8% of the full-time force. 

Army has had notable success in achieving Indigenous participation since the 
commencement of Specialist Recruiting Teams Indigenous (2014) and Indigenous 
pathways programs, such as Army Indigenous Development Program (2016), 
resulting in a bow-wave of First Nations members rising through the junior ranks 
at more than 5% of their cohort. 

Army - Part-time Force

First Nations Australians comprise 4.4% of the part-time force. 

Army has achieved high levels of First Nations participation in the Regional Force 
Surveillance Units (RFSUs) including, NORFORCE, 51 Far North Queensland 
Regiment and the Pilbara Regiment.

 These units have long-standing and deep connections to the areas in which they 
operate and recruit from these same areas. 

Army Officers

First Nations participation rates remain notably low among the officers: 0.8% for 
full-time officers (compared to 4.7% of Other Ranks) and 1.1% for part-time 
officers (compared to 5.3% of Other Ranks). 

Increasing the number of commissioned First Nations officers is a priority for 
Army. 

In 2023, Army assembled a team of First Nations Officers and Non-Commissioned 
Officers to design targeted initiatives to encourage First Nations commissioning, 
both in-service and ab initio.   

The Defence First Nations Approach

Army supports the development of Defence’s First Nations Approach. 

Army personnel have participated in the initial engagement, which was 
completed in March 2023. 

Integrated within this process, Army is developing its own future initiatives, to be 
nested within the Approach as an Army First Nations Strategy. 

Army Cultural Awareness and Learning

Army has had some notable successes in developing the culturally intelligent 
leadership at the unit level. Some Army units have made prominent contributions 
to ‘Closing the Gap’ through mutually beneficial relationships with partners in the 
First Nations Community. Three notable examples include: 

The Proud Warrior Program developed by 2nd Cavalry Regiment in 
partnership with the Townsville First Nations community, which has 
achieved impressive outcomes creating positive behaviour among 
disengaged First Nations youth. 

Partnership between 1st Combat Engineer Regiment (1CER) and Arafura 
Swamp Rangers Corporation in Ramingining and Yirralka Rangers in Yirrkala, 
Eastern Arnhem Land. Through two-week long collaborations in 2021-2022 
1CER has assisted rangers on a range of capacity building projects. 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
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Partnership between 1st Battalion Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR) and 
Gudjada Rangers in Townsville. 1RAR has collaborated with rangers 
connected to local traditional owners in Townsville, to tag turtles and share 
knowledge of bush-craft.

Regional Force Surveillance Unit - NORFORCE

51 Far North Queensland Regiment and the Pilbara Regiment maintain a high 
level of cultural intelligence within their Areas of Operation.

This is built upon high rates of First Nations participation and long-standing 
connections to First Nations communities in their areas of operation. 

Regional Force Surveillance Unit’s maintain proud traditions of shared service and 
defence of country dating back to World War 2. 

A notable example, highlighted in this brief is C Company, 51 Far North 
Queensland Regiment, which commemorated the 80th Anniversary of the 
Torres Strait Light Infantry Battalion in 2023 – an antecedent unit whose 
traditions it proudly maintains.  

Army Cultural Learning Strategy

Building upon successful cultural learning at the unit level, Army is currently 
supporting Army’s First Nations leaders to develop a Cultural Learning Strategy. 

The Strategy is being developed as a systematic learning continuum that will give 
every member in Army the opportunity to conduct cultural immersion and 
deliberately practice cultural intelligence throughout their career. 

The Strategy is led by the Army Elder, Aunty Lorraine Hatton OAM and the Army 
Indigenous Cultural Advisory Board. It is intended to sit alongside and enable 
Army’s future First Nations Strategy. 

It will be launched in 2024. 
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
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Annex 3 – Air Force’s First Nations Participation

The Air Force Strategy 2017-2027

The Air Force Strategy 2017-2027 outlines a set of strategic change vectors that 
shapes how Air Force is transforming to a fifth generation force over the next 
decade and beyond, including First Nations participation.

Our Place, Our Skies Strategy

Our Place, Our Skies Strategy recognises the unique position held by Aboriginal 
and Torres Strait Islanders as Australia’s First Peoples. The strategy has been 
updated to ensure Air Force’s approach is respectful of the world views of 
Australia’s First Peoples, and increases understanding of connections to people 
and place, history and culture, spirit and belonging.

The Senior Indigenous Leadership Circle

The Senior Indigenous Leadership Circle is Air Force’s principle cultural advisory 
group comprising the Air Force Elder and a selected range of Aboriginal and/or 
Torres Strait Islanders who hold key Indigenous Affairs positions within Air Force.

Air Force Indigenous Elder

The appointment of Aunty Deborah Booker, Aunty Deb, as the second Air Force 
Indigenous Elder, continues our recognition of the proud history of service 
provided by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and the value that we 
place on the Elder’s contribution to inclusion and reconciliation. 

Exercise Kummundoo

Exercise Kummundoo is an Air Force Community Engagement program that 
delivers Health Services to rural and remote Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 
communities.

Exercise Kummundoo is organised in consultation with the National Aboriginal 
Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO) under a five year 
Memorandum of Understanding between the Air Force and NACCHO. 

Community Engagement

Air Force participates in cultural immersion and community engagement activities 
with local Indigenous groups and Elders through cultural walks, tours and 
education sessions. Recent and upcoming events include:

Bush Tucker morning tea, including Smoking Ceremony and Welcome to 
Country on 26 May 2023 (RAAF Base Darwin),

Smoking and Dance Ceremony at the Murrook Cultural Heritage and 
Education Centre on 1 June 2023 (RAAF Base Williamtown), and

Stolen Generation guest speaker on 5 June 2023 (RAAF Base Townsville).

Bush tucker and cultural understanding events in the Canberra region on 
Ngunnawal country throughout 2023 presented to key leaders of the Air 
Force and Air Force Headquarters.
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
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Annex 4 – Indigenous Champions

The role of the Indigenous Champions 

Defence’s Indigenous Champions model was formalised in 2017. 

The current Defence’s Indigenous Champions are Chief of Air Force, Air 
Marshal Robert Chipman, AM, CSC and Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary 
Security and Estate Group.   

The Secretary and Chief of Defence Force endorsed the appointments of 
Ceilia Perkins in October 2021 and Air Marshal Robert Chipman in July 
2022. 

Defence's Indigenous Champions advocate for First Nations participation within 
Defence and drive cultural awareness through Defence-specific and whole of 
Government initiatives. This includes:

Promotion of First Nations procurement opportunities in Defence through 
the Commonwealth's IPP;

Promotion of and encouragement of First Nations cultural awareness and 
inclusion throughout Defence (for example: e-learning and Ngunnawal 
language training);

Representation on Whole-of-Government forums influencing First Nations 
employment strategies and policies;

Raising the profile of and advocating for Defence’s First Nations Approach. 

Promotion of Defence’s contributions to the Government's National 
Agreement on Closing the Gap.

Closing the Gap Strategy

Defence is committed to the Whole of Australian Government ‘Closing the Gap’ 
strategy through recruiting and retaining Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 
men and women. We honour their service to this nation in times of peace and 
conflict. Defence recognises the unique skill sets, knowledge and perspectives 
that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples bring to strengthen and 
enhance our capability.

Duntroon Yarning Circle

On 12 May 2023, the ADF Indigenous Champions (Chief of Air Force and Deputy 
Secretary Security and Estate Group) launched the Yarning Circle and Indigenous 
Garden within the existing Duntroon Gardens in order to support the intent of 
the Defence Reconciliation Action Plan 2019-22. 

The intent is to deliver a bush tucker garden and integrated yarning circle, 
facilitating engagement with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, 
and offering opportunities to local Aboriginal groups to use the facility for 
Cultural educational opportunities for Defence personnel. 

The chosen location, Duntroon Gardens, is a highly significant Defence 
heritage asset and is included on the Commonwealth Heritage List (CHL). 
Duntroon Gardens are maintained for their heritage values and used for 
high profile functions with Australian and foreign dignitaries and significant 
military events such as Army officer graduation ceremonies. 
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The establishment of a bush tucker garden which encompasses a yarning 
circle within Duntroon Gardens not only addresses a need and gives a 
prominent location but it also aligns with key RMC Duntroon Heritage 
Management Plans and Interpretation plans to assist with telling the story 
that Duntroon has an Indigenous past and is valued by the local Indigenous 
community.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Director, Culture Strategy and Implementation 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: People Policy and Culture
Group/Service: Defence People Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 In response to the Defence Strategic Review, the Government has identified investment 
in growth and retention of a highly-skilled Defence workforce as an immediate priority 
 The Government has agreed to the Defence Strategic Review’s four recommendations 
relating to recruitment and retention:

Options will be developed to change Defence’s recruitment framework to 
improve the eligibility pool of potential applications and to align service 
recruitment requirements to military employment, especially in key technical and 
specialist trades (cyber, engineering, space, etc.).

Options will be developed to change the policy and risk settings to improve the 
achievement of recruitment targets by 2024.

ADF personnel management will be centralised into a single integrated system 
that is headed by a Chief of Personnel, reporting directly to the Chief of the 
Defence Force; and

A comprehensive strategic review of the ADF Reserves, including consideration of 
the reintroduction of a Ready Reserve Scheme, will be conducted by 2025.
 As part of the 2023-24FY Budget, the Government has agreed to progress the following 
initiatives in support of workforce growth and retention:

An ADF Continuation Bonus – In response to the Defence Strategic Review, the 
Government is investing approximately $395 million to establish a Continuation 
Bonus initiative. Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel could be eligible for a 
$50,000 bonus payment for ongoing service, as part of the Government’s 
commitment to invest in the growth and retention of a highly-skilled Defence 
workforce. For more information refer to SB23-000644. 

A Defence Housing Feasibility Review – To consider the contemporary and future 
housing needs of Defence and ADF members, review policies relating to Defence 
residences and rental assistance against these needs, review current home 
ownership support benefits and policies and identify new opportunities to 
encourage and enable home ownership to ADF members. ($2.0 million has been 
allocated in the 2023-24FY). 

The permanent ADF workforce has declined to 57,221, which decreased by 1,141over 
the last 12 months. 
 The ongoing APS workforce has increased to 18,085, which increased by 1,266 over the 
last 12 months.
 The permanent ADF 12 month rolling separation rate was 11.4 per cent, which increased 
from 11 per cent 12 months ago.
 The ongoing APS 12 month rolling separation rate was 12.4 per cent, which decreased 
from 12.7 per cent 12 months ago.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 The ADF Employment Offer Modernisation Program commenced in October 2019 to 
ensure a contemporary and competitive offer to attract and retain the workforce needed 
to support capability. 
 Important reforms from the ADF Employment Offer Modernisation Program have already 
been implemented including providing more flexibility in housing choices, increasing 
access to various forms of leave and modernising and simplifying ADF salary. The next 
suite of initiatives are planned for implementation from 25 May 2023 through to mid-
2024. These include:

New Allowance Framework, called the Military Factor Framework (phased 
implementation from 25 May 2023).

New Categorisation Framework and a change to categorisation terminologies 
(effective 01 July 2023).

New Location Framework (effective 01 July 2023).

Additional 5 days Basic Recreation Leave (effective 01 July 2023) and flexibility in 
how members use their leave (rolling implementation from 01 July 2023). 

To support any potential impacts from ADF Employment Offer Modernisation 
Program initiatives, the permanent trained force annual salary rates will be 
increased by $2,000 (pro-rata for Reserves and Trainees).

The Recruiting and Retention Tiger Team Final Report, delivered to the Secretary and 
Chief of the Defence Force in September 2022, provides a range of enterprise initiatives 
for consideration.

In October 2022, the Secretary and Chief of the Defence Force agreed to implement six 
initiatives for immediate action that provide further support to APS and ADF serving 
members:

The expansion of the ADF Family Health Benefit, which increased reimbursable 
services and allowance for dependents and came into effect in December 2022. 

Changes to Remote Locality Leave Travel, which included an additional trip home 
per year for those working in remote locations and came into effect in 
November 2022. 

Changes to the Defence travel policy that made allowances more accessible, 
came into effect in October 2022 and has received significant positive feedback 
from Defence personnel.

The expansion of the Defence Assisted Study Scheme and Study Bank programs 
came into effect in late 2022 and are aimed at improving and increasing access to 
education opportunities and enable more of our people to undertake study. 
Further improvements are being made to increase program uptake and make it 
easier for people to apply. These additional benefits will begin to be realised from 
July 2023.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The revised ADF Higher Duties Allowance policy, which came into effect in 
February 2023, seeks to adequately compensate ADF members when they 
conduct higher duties.

A clear APS and ADF Employee Value Proposition framework, to be introduced in 
2023, will enable everyone to easily understand the value of working for Defence. 

The implementation costs for immediate actions for 2023-24 is estimated to be 
between $100 and $110 million.

The retender of the current Recruiting Service contract has provided an opportunity for 
Defence to update and refresh the current ADF recruiting system to achieve current 
and future demand from the Navy, Army and Air Force.

The new contract will better enable Defence to meet future growth for workforce 
transformation outlined in the 2020 Force Structure Plan and 2020 Defence Strategic 
Update.

After a comprehensive contracting process the new recruiting service contract was 
signed with Adecco Australia on 21 October 2022. 
-
Contract transition commenced in November 2022; and
-
new contract will be operational on 01 July 2023.

The new arrangements will provide an opportunity to contract for a system to deliver 
100 per cent of targets in 100 days (from application to letter of offer), supported by 
candidate-centric behaviours.
If pressed: What is Defence currently doing to address ADF recruiting achievement?

Defence is implementing initiatives to increase recruiting outcomes in the short term. 
These include:

increasing candidate care and contact through the recruiting process;

increasing the number of events and engagements Defence Force Recruiting 
attends, particularly in schools, following a dramatic decrease in face-to-face 
engagements due to COVID-19; 

maintaining the virtual engagements and processes that were effective through 
COVID-19; and

utilising an increased advertising budget across a variety of media channels, 
combined with campaign and targeted advertising, to explain how Defence’s 
employment offer can address the contemporary needs of young Australians.

Navy, Army and Air Force – who set the criteria for entry to their respective service – 
continue to review the nature of medical, aptitude, psychological and fitness standards, 
as well as background security checks, to ensure the widest pool of candidates can be 
considered for appointment or enlistment and subsequent training.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The Services are considering amendments to aspects of their employment offer – such 
as reductions to initial minimum periods of service – which might improve the 
propensity of individuals to consider a Defence career. 
If pressed: What is Defence currently doing to address ADF separation rates?

Retention is an ongoing focus, particularly for the middle ranks of the ADF: the 
Corporal, Sergeant, Captain, and Major equivalents with six to ten years of service 
experience.

ADF members are provided with an employment package which consists of housing 
(including the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme), remuneration (including 
superannuation), medical and dental care, and professional development 
opportunities.

The employment package also supports families which is an important factor in 
enabling our members to undertake their unique roles.

The current ADF employment offer is comprehensive, however over time it has become 
overly complex and outdated making it difficult for members and their families to 
understand and for Defence to maintain and administer.

The ADF Employment Offer Modernisation Program commenced in October 2019 to 
modernise and simplify the ADF employment offer with a focus on three streams of 
work based on member feedback - allowances, housing and categorisation.

Through these work streams, numerous initiatives have been implemented from 
July 2019 to April 2022, including:

Improvements to housing flexibility and choice for ADF members with additional 
housing options now available. 

The option of a flexible home location for members posted to sea, more housing 
choices in metropolitan areas, a flexible housing trial to support diverse family 
needs and an extension to the time to access a removal post transition.

Improvements to help support members and their families with additional and 
more flexible access to parental leave, easier access to carers leave, and more 
flexibility in how members access their long service leave. 

The introduction of Military Salary, which combined four allowances—service, 
reserve, trainee and uniform allowances - into members’ base salary.

There are a number of service-level initiatives that contribute to Defence’s overall 
recruiting and retention efforts. These initiatives vary in size and scope. They are 
designed to meet specific workforce sectors of the ADF. 

Army are currently modernising career management to be simplified, streamlined 
and more responsive to Army personnel needs in the total workforce system. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The Navy has introduced a People Wellbeing Program that recognises resilience 
and positive mental health as critical enablers which support a modern Navy 
construct, for both current and former serving members. 

The Air Force has offered targeted retention bonuses to growing ADF workforce 
sectors in high demand such as cyber, intelligence and ICT. 

As at 01 May 2023 Defence forecasts it will achieve 74.2 per cent of the 2022-23 ADF 
enlistment target.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Budget Estimates Hearing: 9 November 2022

QoN 37, Review into recruitment and retention, Senator David Fawcett (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked about the recruiting and retention team established in April 2022.

QoN 70, ADF Recruitment Review, Senator David Fawcett (Liberal, South Australia) 
asked a series of questions on the ADF Recruitment Review.

QoN 77, PBS Recruiting and Retention Team, Senator David Fawcett (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked a series of questions on the Portfolio Budget Submission Recruiting 
and Retention team.

QoN 80, Minister Keogh Speech HMAS Waterhen – retention, Senator David Fawcett 
(Liberal, South Australia) asked a series of questions on Minister Keogh’s Speech on 3 
September 2022.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments. 
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 15 December 2022, The Canberra Times published an article titled, Is your APS boss 
a dud? Best, worst managers ranked. Journalist Harley Dennett stated the APS census 
revealed Defence officials had the least faith in the competence of their senior leaders 
in 2022. 

On 09 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, Push to fast-track 
visas for workers. Reporter Gabriel Polychronis undertook an in-depth report on 
options for a special “AUKUS Visa”, granting skilled defence workers from Britain and 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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the United States quicker access to Australian working rights ahead of the nuclear-
powered submarine build in Adelaide.

On 09 December 2022, The Daily Telegraph published an article titled, Our Future in 
Safe Hands. Gabriel Polychronis and Paul Starick co-wrote examined the rapidly 
evolving need to build a skilled workforce. 

On 09 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, Defending Australia. 
The article stated companies are scrambling to hire more than 10,000 skilled workers 
over the next 15 years to build the most complex submarines and warships.

On 08 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, Generation Save Us. 
Journalists Gabriel Polychronis Paul Starick, posited the Defence Strategic Review is 
likely to create several new defence projects, giving rise to hi-tech job opportunities.

On 05 December 2022, the Canberra Times published in the supplement Public Sector 
Informant, Defence Jobs Australia glitch makes celebrity look like recruiter. This 
referred to a Twitter post technical error.

On 04 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, Mission critical to 
close skill gap. It highlighted the dire skill-worker gap for the hi-tech defence industry.

On 03 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, How you can help 
Australia in need. Australia is in the midst of a science, technology, engineering and 
mathematics skills shortage that is threatening to derail the Deputy Prime Minister’s 
push to bolster defence capabilities.

On 03 December 2022, The Advertiser published an article titled, Sign up for the Future 
of Oz. Reported extensively on Australia’s mission in overcoming an expansive skills gap 
imperilling the nation's defensive efforts.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone s47E(d)
 / s22
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Division:
Recruiting and Retention
PDR No: 
SB23-000132
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Michael Howell, Assistant Secretary, 
Rear Admiral Robert Plath, Head Recruiting 
Recruiting and Retention
and Retention
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 5 April 2023
Date: 6 April 2023  
Consultation: 
Date: 5 April 2023  
Fiona McSpeerin, Assistant Secretary, 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
People Policy and Employment Conditions
Brigadier Duncan Hayward, Director General  Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
- Defence Force Recruiting
Cleared by DSR: 
Date: 1 May 2023
Alison West, A/FAS DSR Implementation
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 11 April 2023  
David Nockels, Acting Deputy Secretary 
Defence People Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022

Review into recruitment and retention
Senator David Fawcett
Spoken Question
Senator FAWCETT: Can I go to Defence personnel, please? Can I go to the recruiting and 
retention team that was established in April 2022, and then in August star rank officers were 
appointed to lead that. What have they achieved to date, and are there any 
recommendations that they have brought forward that are being implemented by Defence? 
Ms Greig: As you said, we established a dedicated recruiting and retention team to look at, in 
addition to current initiatives in terms of lifting our recruiting and retention performance, to 
look at what else Defence could do, both in terms of ADF and APS workforce. The team 
commenced by really looking at what was already there, because we did not want to 
duplicate what we were doing. I can talk in a moment on some of the key things that were 
already in train. Having looked across the total Defence enterprise, also looked externally on 
best practice, the team really focused on preparing some options that looked across the 
recruiting and retention continuum.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senator FAWCETT: Sorry, before you go on, you mentioned the team several times. Could 
you detail who is in the team and their backgrounds? 
Ms Greig: It's a small team led by two two-star military officers and an SES band 1 officer, 
with a very small team underneath. The purpose is to have a small, effective team to do fairly 
in-depth, short, sharp review. 
Senator FAWCETT: I'm trying to get my head around the fact that if we're trying to get best 
practice on recruiting, someone who has commanded a ship or a regiment or a FEG in the air 
force, for example, may not be Australia's best experts on that. Who did they reach out to 
seek that best industry experience or expertise in terms of recruiting and retention? 
Ms Greig: You touched on recruitment. In terms of ADF recruitment, Defence Force 
recruiting, a lot of reforms are already occurring. The heavier focus is in terms of retention. 
That is the heavier focus. In terms of who they reached out to, certainly other government 
agencies. They also talked to a number of private sector companies that were looking at their 
employment value propositions. It's probably best to give you that on notice, but there was 
quite a lot of engagement very early on. In terms of the report that was completed, it is an 
internal report that was then socialised with a number of people across the enterprise to get 
views. There was also an assurance group, a collection of people to really contest some of the 
ideas in the report. The report ultimately was presented to the Chief of the Defence Force 
and the Secretary, and we are currently looking at what to prioritise out of that work. We 
have initiated five elements of the work as what we call quick wins that we could put in train 
quite easily and quite quickly to support not just ADF and APS members, but also there is an 
element supporting ADF families. The next steps is a matter of prioritisation and looking at 
where we will get the greatest impact, particularly in terms of ADF retention.
Senator FAWCETT: During the election campaign, the now government promised to initiate a 
review into recruitment and retention. Given the work you've already done, is that going 
ahead? Is it overlapping? What is the relationship between that election commitment and 
the work you've already been doing? 
Ms Greig: On the work we had commenced prior, currently the advice that we've given is: let 
us keep going on this piece of work. That's not to say that an even larger independent review 
is not necessary. It may be necessary. That's the advice to date. 
Senator FAWCETT: Has that been accepted? 
Ms Greig: I'm just trying to think if there has been a formal— 
Senator FAWCETT: You can take that on notice.
Ms Greig: Yes. That has been the advice given. I need to check in terms of the formal 
response.
Answer
During the Defence Recruiting and Retention review, Commonwealth agencies, international 
partners and key industry were consulted including: 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone s47E(d)
 / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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• Government: Australian Public Service Commission, Australian Taxation Office, 
Australian Signals Directorate, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Services 
Australia, Department of Veterans’ Affairs, ACT Government. 
• International partners: UK Ministry for Defence, Canada Ministry of Defence. 
• Industry: Defence Families Australia, Ernst and Young, McKinsey and Company, 
Kinexus, KPMG, PWC, Risk 2 Solution Group, Raise, RAND Australia, Synergy Group. 
The Recruiting and Retention report recommends a range of initiatives for the Secretary and 
CDF to consider. The report was finalised on 9 September 2022 and provide to the Deputy 
Prime Minister and Minister for Defence Personnel.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Review into recruitment and retention
Senator David Fawcett
Written Question
1. Are there going to be an ADF Recruitment Review? 
2. That are the Terms of Reference of the Review from March vs October? 
3. What are the reporting dates? 
4. Will the Review cover: 
a. Current recruitment and retention initiatives, including pay and conditions, and housing 
and health assistance. 
b. The ADF Gap Year program. 
c. Potential new recruitment and retention initiatives, such as trying to attract skilled former 
personnel back to the ADF to meet future workforce needs. 
d. The efficiency and effectiveness of external recruitment practices. 
e. Recruitment and retention of key skills and trades to determine if the new ADF workforce 
strategy can adequately address these skills shortages. 
f. Analysis of current retention measures, including the ADF’s total workforce system, and 
possible alternatives. 
5. How many people were recruited in 2021-22, and how many so far this year? 
6. How many are currently in the recruiting process? 
7. Who has the contract to manger recruitment, when was the contract last reviewed, what 
are the KPIs for the contract? 
8. What innovative processes are used for recruitment? 
9. With Reference to Australian Signals Directorate’s (ASD) last Senate Estimates session, the 
ASD is meeting and exceeding its recruitment targets, why can’t Defence meets its target?
10. How many people are in the team? 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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11. What is their rank and/or ASL level 
12. Who do they report to? 
13. Who often do they report? 
14. Has the Minister/s received any briefs from the Team? If so, on what date?
Answer
1. Defence finalised a Recruiting and Retention report on 9 September 2022 which 
recommends a range of initiatives for consideration by the Secretary and Chief of the 
Defence Force. A copy was provided to the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for 
Defence Personnel. 
2. Defence finalised a Recruiting and Retention report on 9 September 2022 which 
recommends a range of initiatives for consideration by the Secretary and Chief of the 
Defence Force. A copy was provided to the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for 
Defence Personnel. 
3. Refer to Question 1. 
4. The Recruiting and Retention final report outlines the nature of the recruiting and 
retention challenge and recommends a range of initiatives for the Secretary and CDF to 
consider throughout 2023. 
5. In 2021–22, Defence recruited 6,369 permanent and part-time Australian Defence Force 
personnel. In 2021-22, Defence recruited 2,416 full-time and part-time APS employees. From 
1 July 2022 – 31 Oct 2022, Defence recruited 2,244 permanent and part-time personnel to 
the Australian Defence Force. From 1 July 2022, Defence has recruited 1,117 full-time and 
part-time APS employees.
6. As of 31 October 2022, there were 20,634 candidates in the recruiting pipeline for the 
Australian Defence Force. As of 28 November 2022, there were 968 APS recruitment 
activities in process.
7. Refer to Senate Estimates Question No.81 
8. Refer to Senate Estimates Question No.81
9. The Australian Defence Force workforce is not comparable to the ASD workforce.  
10. The Recruiting and Retention Team consists of 13 personnel. 
11. The Recruiting and Retention Team currently consists of 1 x Rear Admiral, 2 x SES Band 
One, 3 x Executive Level 2, 2 x Executive Level 1, 1 x Commander, 1 x Lieutenant Commander, 
1 x Lieutenant, 1 x Petty Officer, 1 x APS 4.
12. Deputy Secretary Defence People.
13. Weekly basis.
14. The Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Defence Personnel receive regular 
briefings on recruitment and retention.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Justine Greig; Rear Admiral Robert Plath
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Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Portfolio Budget Submission Recruiting and Retention team
Senator David Fawcett
Written Question
With reference to the October 2022-23 Defence PBS Part 2, Page 17 - On 12 April 2022, 
Defence established a Recruiting and Retention Team. On 12 April 2022, Defence established 
a Recruiting and Retention Team:
1. What is the team currently working on? 
2. What have the team achieved to date? 
3. Has the team proposed any changes to Defence’s recruitment and retention? In August 
2022, an ADF Star Rank Officer was appointed to head the Recruitment and Retention Team 
to implement selected initiatives over the 2023-2024 period. 
4. What initiatives will be implemented? 
5. By when? 
6. What are the expected outcomes?
7. What are the performance measures? 
8. How will the implementation of the initiatives contribute to the 18,500 Defence recruit 
target? 
9. How will the implementation fit in with the overarching findings of the Recruiting and 
Retention Team? 
10. How will the Recruitment and Retention Team overlap with the proposed ADF 
Recruitment Review?
Answer
1. The Secretary and Chief of the Defence Force announced the launch of six ‘Quick Win’ 
initiatives that were identified in the Recruiting and Retention final report, finalised in 
September 2022. The Team is currently implementing these initiatives. 
The Secretary and CDF directed the Team to conduct detailed design for the remaining 
initiatives in the Recruiting and Retention final report, to be considered throughout 2023.
2. Refer to answer 1. 
3. The ‘Quick win’ initiatives build upon existing policies and programs to enhance recruiting 
and retention efforts. Detailed design is currently underway on the remaining recruiting and 
retention initiatives. 
4. Refer to answer 1. 
5. Refer to answer 1 
6. An improved Employee Value Proposition that enhances ADF and APS work experience, 
thereby enhancing recruitment and retention. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Justine Greig; Rear Admiral Robert Plath
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7. The performance measures will be defined as part of the Defence enterprise priority 
statement reporting. 
8. Refer to answer 6. 
9. Refer to answer 1 
10. Refer to answer 1. 
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Minister Keogh Speech HMAS Waterhen – retention 
Senator David Fawcett
Written Question
With reference to the Hon. Matt Keogh MP, Minister for Defence Personnel speech to the 
Defence Reserves Association 2022 National Conference. 3rd of September 2022 and 
Minister Keogh visit to the HMAS Waterhen on the 25 August 2022:
1. Can the Department please confirm that on 25th August 2022, when speaking to Defence 
personnel at HMAS Waterhen, the Minister for Defence Personnel said they will not be able 
to buy a home in Sydney while they are on Defence salaries? 
2. If the Department cannot confirm, please seek confirmation from the Minister on whether 
he has made such comment.
3. If the Department can confirm, is the Department aware that in his speech at the Defence 
Reserves Association 2022 National Conference, the Minister for Defence Personnel also said: 
“We need targeted and collaborative action to inspire the workforce of the future, increase 
the number of people joining the ADF, and retain talent to ensure we can deliver Defence’s 
and our nation’s capability requirements.” 
4. Can the Department please confirm with the Minister and provide reasons of why the 
Minister made above mentioned comment on 25th August 2022? 
5. Can the Department explain how is the Minister’s comment on 25th August 2022 at HMAS 
Waterhen inspiring Defence personnel to remain in the ADF? 
6. What is the government currently doing to encourage and inspire Defence workforce?
Answer
1. The Department cannot confirm this. 
2. This is a question for the Minister. 
3. The Minister speech is recorded on the Defence website; 
www.minister.defence.gov.au/speeches/2022-09-03/speech-defence-reserves-association-
2022-national-conference
4. This is a question for the Minister. 
5. Refer to answer to question 4. 
6. Refer to answer to question 4.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Michael Howell
Name: David Nockels
Position: Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Recruiting and Retention 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000428
Last Updated: 11 May 2023
External Workforce Census and Contractors and Consultants Expenditure
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Steven Groves
Document 47
What is the size of Defence’s external workforce?
 The most recent Defence External Workforce Census was conducted in March 2023 and 
reported a total of 37,330 full time equivalent engaged as part of the external workforce.
 28,445 full time equivalent, or 76 per cent were engaged through outsourced service 
providers. 

This is an increase from 26,199 full time equivalent (75 per cent of the total) in 
the March 2022 census.
 8,523 full time equivalent, or 23 per cent were engaged as contractors. 

This is an increase from 8,311 full time equivalent (24 per cent of the total) in 
March 2022.
 361 full time equivalent or one per cent were engaged as consultants. 

This is a decrease from 370 full time equivalent in March 2022.
 Overall, the external workforce grew by 2,451 full time equivalent (seven per cent) 
compared to the March 2022 Census. The growth in resourcing aligns with the year or 
year growth in the Defence Budget.
 The need for an integrated workforce is expected to continue into the future, particularly 
as the Defence budget grows over time and the complexity of our capability delivery 
requirements increase. 
 The policy direction of the Government will mean the mix of resources will be rebalanced 
moving forward. Defence is committed to supporting Government’s plan to improve the 
public service by identifying where work can be done more efficiently and effectively by 
public servants in direct permanent jobs.
 The results of the Defence External Workforce Census show a decline in the rate of 
contractor growth, which has been running at over 20 per cent in prior years and has 
declined to just 3 per cent over the prior 12 months.
Why does Defence use contractors and not employ more APS personnel?
 The majority of Defence’s external workforce (28,445 full time equivalent or 76 per cent) 
are outsourced service providers. 
 These providers deliver services in areas where Defence has made a deliberate decision 
to outsource functions, or the expertise and skills to deliver these functions 

The private sector more efficiently delivers them.
 The Australian Strategic Policy Institute Cost of Defence Report 2022-23 notes that the 
use of contractors by Defence has been critical to the strong outcomes that have been 
achieved in acquisition and sustainment in recent years.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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 Defence has, and will continue to operate, under the workforce policies set by the 
Government. 

While some of these settings will be adjusted, the integrated workforce will 
continue to be a critical enabler to the delivery of Defence capability.
How much did Defence spend on its external workforce in 2021-22?
 In 2021-22 Defence spent $13 billion on outsourced service providers, $2.5 billion on 
contractors and $154 million on consultants. 
 Defence spent approximately $2 billion on APS employee expenses in 2021-22.
 The Australian Strategic Policy Institute noted in its June 2022-23 Cost of Defence Report 
that using contractors has been critical to the strong outcomes Defence has achieved in 
acquisition and sustainment in recent years. 
Background 
 The Defence External Workforce Census provides Defence with an estimate of the full 
time equivalent of outsourced service providers, contractors and consultants engaged in 
providing services to support Defence outcomes at a point in time and in a regular and 
repeatable manner. 
Past External Workforce Census results
Full Time Equivalent  March 2023 (per cent 
March 2022 (per cent 
by Category
change)
change)
March 2021
Contractors
8,523 (up 3 per cent)
8,311 (up 22 per cent)
6,810
Outsourced Service 
Providers 
28,445 (up 9 per cent)
26,199 (up 3 per cent)
25,363
Consultants
361 (down 2 per cent)
370 (up 18 per cent)
314
Total
37,330 (up 7 per cent)
34,880 (up 7 per cent)
32,487
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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Last Updated: 11 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Steven Groves
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External Workforce Expenditure over Time
2022-23 
Consultants
Jan Year to  2021-22  2020-21  2019-20 
date ($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
Expenditure on consultancy contracts 
(GST inclusive)
127
170
127
114
Expenditure on consultancy contracts 
(GST exclusive)
116
154
116
104
Expenditure (GST exclusive) as a 
0.47 per 
0.33 per  0.28 per  0.26 per 
percentage of Defence expenditure
cent
cent
cent
cent
2022-23 
Contractors
Jan Year to  2021-22  2020-21  2019-20 
date ($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
Expenditure on contractors (GST 
exclusive)
1,626
2,487
1,873
1,520
Expenditure as a percentage of Defence  6.70 per 
5.38 per  4.50 per  3.90 per 
expenditure
cent
cent
cent
cent
2022-23
2021-22
2020-21
2019-20
Outsource Service Providers
Jan Year to 
date ($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
Expenditure on outsourced service 
providers (GST exclusive.)
8,037
13,072
10,955
10,410
Expenditure as a percentage of Defence  33.10 per 
28.28  
26.10  
26.40  per 
expenditure
cent
per cent
per cent
cent
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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PDR No: SB23-000428
Last Updated: 11 May 2023
External Workforce Census and Contractors and Consultants Expenditure
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Steven Groves
Document 47
‘Big Four’ and Accenture
 In March 2023 1,274 full time equivalent from the ‘Big Four’ delivered services to 
Defence (up from 1,213 full time equivalent in March 2022). The Big Four resources 
included:

885 contractors (down from 944 full time equivalent);

338 outsourced service providers resources (up from 211 full time equivalent); 

51 consultants (down from 57 full time equivalent); 

680 KPMG full time equivalent (up 135 full time equivalent); 

171 Deloitte full time equivalent (down 75 full time equivalent);

252 PwC full time equivalent (down 34 full time equivalent); and 

170 Ernst Young full time equivalent (up 41 full time equivalent).
 In March 2023, in addition to ‘Big Four’ resources, 261 full time equivalent from 
Accenture were delivering services to Defence (down from 334 full time equivalent in 
March 2022). The resources include: 

232 outsourced service providers (down from 268 full time equivalent); and

29 Contractors (down from 66 full time equivalent).
 The ‘Big Four’ and Accenture provide many services to Defence, but services 
predominantly relate to Project Management (650 full time equivalent, 42 per cent) and 
IT (506 full time equivalent, 33 per cent).
 For 2021-22, Defence spent $466 million (GST exclusive) on the ‘Big four’ accounting 
firms comprised of:

KPMG ($210 million);

PwC ($102 million);

Deloitte ($98 million); and

Ernst Young ($56 million).
 Expenditure was categorised as contractors ($313 million), outsourced service providers 
($121 million) and consultants ($30 million).
Major Service Providers
 Major service providers are required to be members of the Defence Support Services 
panel and are capable of delivering larger, longer term and more integrated work 
packages across the Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group domains. The four 
major service providers are:

Jacobs Beca Team (Jacobs Australia and Beca Consultants);
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone s47E(d)
 & s22
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Key witness: Steven Groves
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Team Nova (Nova Systems Australia, QinetiQ and PricewaterhouseCoopers 
Consulting); 

KEY Team (Kellogg Brown & Root and Ernst Young); and 

Team Downer (Downer EDI Engineering Power, Systra Scott Lister Australia and 
Providence Consulting Group).
 In March 2023, 4,246 full time equivalent from the major service providers were 
delivering services to Defence (up from 2,839 full time equivalent in March 2022) due to 
Downer’s acquisition of Spotless. Prior year figures do not include Spotless. The major 
service providers resources included:

2,746 contractors (up from 2,501 full time equivalent); 

1,474 outsourced service provider resources (up from 310 full time equivalent);

25 consultants (down from 28 full time equivalent); 

868 Kellogg Brown & Root full time equivalent (up 46 full time equivalent); 

908 Nova full time equivalent (up 138  full time equivalent); 

688 Jacobs full time equivalent (down 10 full time equivalent); and 

1,782 Team Downer full time equivalent (up 1,236 full time equivalent), reflecting 
the Spotless acquisition. 

Primary activities were in the fields of:

Property (1,241 full time equivalent or 29 per cent); 

Project Management (776 full time equivalent, 18 per cent); and 

Sustainment (603 full time equivalent, 14 per cent).
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Senate Finance and Public Administration References Committee’s Inquiry: 23 March 2023

QoN 1-4, Consultancy, Senator Barbara Pocock (Greens, South Australia) asked to be 
provided with details of current and prior year consultancy expenditure.
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 56, Contractors, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, Tasmania) asked to be provided 
with details of contractors and non-ongoing staff. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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Last Updated: 11 May 2023
External Workforce Census and Contractors and Consultants Expenditure
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Steven Groves
Document 47
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 07 July 2022, the Minister for Defence Industry issued a media release about 
growing the Defence-Industry partnership Growing the Defence-Industry partnership.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 21 October 2022, Australian Financial Review published an article titled, KPMG, 
Deloitte, EY, PwC hit with $500m efficiency dividend on consultant spending. Journalist 
Ronald Mizen reported on the impacts of $500m efficiency dividend in the upcoming 
Budget and the impacts on private companies.

On 09 August 2022, Australian Financial Review published an article titled, Accenture 
beats the big four in record $2b for Canberra work. Journalist Ronald Mizen reported 
on big four expenditure and Defence as entering the largest value of contracts in 2021-
22.

On 01 July 2022, Australian Financial Review published an article titled, Auditor-general 
takes a shot at defence contractors. Journalist Andrew Tillett reported the Auditor-
General has criticised the Defence Department over the management of its 
contractors, finding there is no way to prove they are used effectively and 
recommending changes to improve probity and security.

On 08 June 2022, Australian Strategic Policy Institute published an article titled, The 
cost of Australia’s defence: hard choices for the new government. Journalist Marcus 
Hellyer wrote that Defence has a people problem and questions whether Defence can 
deliver its ambitious capability program without continued external workforce growth.
Division:
Budget and Financial Reporting, Budget and Financial Services
PDR No: 
SB23-000428
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Michael Cosgrove, Assistant Secretary 
Samuel Volker, First Assistant Secretary 
Budgeting & Reporting
Budgets & Financial Services
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 06 April 2023
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 21 April 2023
Steven Groves, Chief Finance Officer, Defence Finance 
Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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Last Updated: 11 May 2023
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Key witness: Steven Groves
Document 47
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates 18 November 2022
Contractors
Senator Claire Chandler
Written Question
1. How many contractors and non-ongoing staff are currently employed by the department?
2. Please provide a breakdown of levels and costs associated with all contractors and non-
ongoing staff.
3. How many of these staff are ICT or non-ICT staff?
Answer
Contractors

1. The March 2022 External Workforce Census recorded 8,311 Contractors providing 
services to Defence.
2. Defence does not capture levels for contractors. The Contractor spend in 2021-22 was 
$2.49 billion.
3. 1,496 ICT Contractors and 6815 non-ICT contractors.
Non-ongoing staff
1. As at 1 November 2022, there are 278 non-ongoing APS employees employed by the 
Department. 
The below table provides a breakdown by classification of the 278 non-ongoing APS 
Employees:
Classification Non-ICT
ICT
Total
SES3
3
 
3
SES2
2
 
2
SES1
2
 
2
EL2
28
 
28
EL1
31
1
32
APS6
41
1
42
APS5
51
1
52
APS4
38
 
38
APS3
13
 
13
APS2
46
 
46
APS1
20
 
20
Total
275
3
278
2 The majority of Defence employees receive salaries within the standard ranges set out in 
the Defence Enterprise Agreement. However, the Enterprise Agreement allows for 
remuneration and other benefits to be varied so that Defence can develop, attract and 
retain selected employees with the necessary skills and knowledge to deliver capability. 
Table 6.21 of the latest Defence Annual Report details Defence Australian Public Service 
salary rates, by classification, as at 30 June 2022.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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Key witness: Steven Groves
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3 Three ICT non-ongoing staff and 275 non-ICT non-ongoing staff.
Inquiry Questions 23 March 2023
Consultants
Senator Barbara Pocock
Written Question(s) 
1. Will [agency] spend less on consultancy services in the 2022-23 FY than in the 2021-22 
FY? 
2. What is [agency] predicted spend on consultancy services in the 2022-23 FYI
3. What did [agency] spend on consultancy services in the 2021-22 FY? 
4. How much has [agency] spent on consultancy services to date in the 2022-23 FY? 
Answer
Defence does not specifically forecast consultancy services spend. The nature of consultancy 
services is intermittent which makes forecasting a full year spend very difficult. Information 
regarding expenditure on consultancy services is published in Defence’s Annual Report.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: BFS
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
Phone: s47E(d)  & s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000429
Last updated: 24 May 2023
 Workforce Figures and Growth
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Major General Wade Stothart; Steven Groves
Document 48
 The Defence integrated workforce comprised of:

57,221 permanent ADF and 724 Gap Year (SERCAT 6-7 and SERVOP G Total of 
57,945);

31,823 ADF Reserves (SERCAT 3,4 and 5 including 1,207 SERVOP C; does not 
include the 9,877 members in SERCAT 2); and

18,053 APS, both ongoing and non-ongoing.
 The Defence workforce is supported by an external workforce made of Contractors, 
Outsourced Service Providers, and Consultants. 
 The most recent Defence External Workforce Census was conducted in March 2023 and 
reported a total of 37,330 full time equivalent engaged as part of the external workforce.

Further detail on the Defence External Workforce can be found in the External 
Workforce Census and Contractors and Consultants Expenditure brief 
(SB23-000428).

The ADF average funded strength was 58,664 against workforce guidance of 62,063.
 The permanent ADF 12 month rolling separation rate was 11.4 per cent, which increased 
from 11.0 per cent 12 months ago.
 The APS Average Staffing Level was 16,374 against workforce guidance of 16,991 
(includes 540 Average Staffing Level relief approved by Government).
 The ongoing APS 12 month rolling separation rate was 12.4 per cent, which decreased 
from 14.7 per cent 12 months ago.
If pressed: about the Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics Workforce

There is a focus on growing and skilling the intelligence, space and cyber security 
workforce segments, concurrent with Defence contributing to Government efforts to 
increase the national science, technology, engineering and mathematics talent pool.

Science, technology, engineering and mathematics are a focal area for the Defence 
workforce as it undergoes significant transformation of its capabilities. While each 
science, technology, engineering and mathematics field has a critical role to play in its 
own right, they also enable discovery and progress in other fields.
If pressed: about Recruitment and Retention

Further detail on recruitment and retention initiatives can be found in the Recruitment 
and Retention brief (SB23-000426).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Craig Dobson
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director General Workforce Planning
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability
Group/Service: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000429
Last updated: 24 May 2023
 Workforce Figures and Growth
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Major General Wade Stothart; Steven Groves
Document 48
Background 
Workforce Growth
 Defence is undergoing the largest workforce transformation since the Defence Reform 
Program of the late 1990’s. This transformation will underpin the ADF’s enhanced 
capability necessary to respond to significant changes in Australia’s strategic 
environment.  
 These challenges and the urgency with which they must be addressed were outlined in 
the Government’s response to the Defence Strategic Review. 
 The Defence Strategic Review reframes the workforce transformation program 
established under the 2016 Defence White Paper (the White Paper). The Government’s 
decisions in response to the Defence Strategic Review will require Defence to continue to 
reshape and reskill its workforce to transition to new platforms and build capacity in 
emerging capabilities such as conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarines, cyber, 
engineering and space.
 The White Paper (2016) detailed that around 4,000 new ADF positions would be required 
to deliver new capabilities out to 2025/2026 and provided Defence with an additional 
2,300 average funded strength. This plan also necessitated the transitioning to new 
capabilities for around 1,700 ADF personnel. 
 From 2020-2021 to 2024, Defence White Paper growth is being augmented by 800 
personnel in the ADF and around 250 in the APS (not including the Australian Signals 
Directorate). 

This additional workforce supports new capabilities, including new vessels for 
Navy and further investment in cyber, intelligence and space capabilities. In 
addition to enabling new capabilities, increased workforce depth contributes to 
the sustainability of operations. 

Consequently, the ADF permanent force is projected to grow to 62,700 by 2024.
 The 10 March 2022 Force Structure Plan Workforce Growth Announcement 2024/2025 
to 2030/2040 outlined approved workforce growth of 18,500 by 2040, which will bring 
the total permanent workforce to over 100,000. 

Defence has outlined that critical minimum growth of 12,500 is required, 
comprised of 10,449 AFS and 2,051 APS, to support the capabilities outlined in 
the Force Structure Plan. 

Defence has estimated the cost of the 12,500 workforce as approximately $38 
billion over the period 2024-2040.
 An updated Defence Strategic Workforce Plan was developed in concert with the detailed 
planning and modelling conducted for the 2020 Force Structure Plan. This was necessary 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Craig Dobson
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director General Workforce Planning
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability
Group/Service: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone s47E(d)
 / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000429
Last updated: 24 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Major General Wade Stothart; Steven Groves
Document 48
to ensure the delivery and operation of the capabilities outlined in the Force Structure 
Plan (2020) that are scheduled in the $270 billion Integrated Investment Program.

The Defence Strategic Review (SB23-000411) now provides specific directions to 
Defence for immediate implementation while establishing a process for long-term and 
sustainable implementation.  

In this context a revised or updated Defence Strategic Workforce Plan would be based 
on workforce change and reform initiatives of: 

Grow. Defence will apply deliberate adjustments to workforce strategies and 
people policy settings that attract and recruit more people more quickly. 
Specifically, options will be developed to change the policy and risk settings to 
improve the achievement of recruiting targets in days, not months. Growth will 
occur in both the ADF and Defence APS workforces. 

Rebalance. Defence will adjust its workforce mix of ADF, APS, contractors, 
consultants and academia through workforce planning and management 
initiatives that ensure Defence workforce is cost effective and sustainable.

Reshape.  The trajectory to achieving the Government direction on the DSR will 
require reshaping of the current workforce. The composition of workforce 
segments will change to reflect emerging and prioritised skillset demands. This 
will require adjustment to workforce numbers in categories, specialisations and 
ranks/levels, and in many cases redefinitions of occupations and work levels.

Reskill. Defence will ensure that as technologies change the workforce is able to 
adjust and reskill to meet the new requirements. This will require a workforce 
more focussed across the breadth of Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths 
skills able to contribute to emerging roles in ICT, cyber, nuclear submarines, long 
range strike, digital and analytics skills, complex program delivery and 
sustainment.

Transform. To achieve the transformative effects the Government has directed 
from the Defence Strategic Review will necessitate new thinking about workforce 
policy and process measures and the speed at which they can be implemented. 
This will particularly require an innovative and bold approach to recruitment and 
retention. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023
 QoN 67, Defence Workforce Targets, Senator Linda White (Labor, Victoria) asked about 
the announcement to grow the Defence workforce by 18,500. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Craig Dobson
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director General Workforce Planning
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability
Group/Service: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000429
Last updated: 24 May 2023
 Workforce Figures and Growth
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Major General Wade Stothart; Steven Groves
Document 48
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 29 March 2023, The Times published an article titled, Fears AUKUS will 
undermine Australia’s defence sovereignty are misplaced. Journalist Peter K. Lee 
voiced concerns for Australia’s sovereignty under the AUKUS agreement

On 31 March 2023, @AuManufacturing published an article titled, AUKUS and 
submarines, the start of Australia’s re-industrialisation? Journalist Geoff Potts noted 
the potential benefits to the manufacturing industry under the AUKUS agreement

30 March 2023, the Daily Telegraph published an article titled, Study benefits cut for 
hundreds of military veterans Charles Miranda examined the abolition of the 
Incapacity Payments for Veterans Studying scheme.

30 March 2023, the Sydney Morning Herald published an article titled, Keating’s 
blistering attack on AUKUS leaves Australia in damage control in US. Farrah Tomazin 
covered former Prime Minister Paul Keating’s negative views of the AUKUS 
agreement.

29 March 2023, the Cygnet, Huon & Channel Classifieds published an opinion piece 
by John Fleming II about submarine crewing. “An Aukward situation.” 
Division:
People Capability
PDR No: 
SB23-000429
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Brigadier Craig Dobson, Director General 
Major General Wade Stothart, Head People 
Workforce Planning, Workforce Planning 
Capability, People Capability Division
Branch
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
    Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 24 May 2023
Date: 24 May 2023
Consultation: N/A
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Craig Dobson
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director General Workforce Planning
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability
Group/Service: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000429
Last updated: 24 May 2023
 Workforce Figures and Growth
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Major General Wade Stothart; Steven Groves
Document 48
Cleared by DSR:
Date: 01 May 2023
Alison West, First Assistant Secretary Defence Strategic 
Review Implementation Task Force 
CFO: TBC
Cleared by Deputy Secretary
Date: 24 May 2023 
David Nockels, Acting Deputy Secretary Defence People
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
QoN 67
Workforce Growth
Senator Linda White
Question
In the context of the announcement to grow the Defence workforce by 18,500 by 2040:
a. How many of this 18,500 target would be ADF personnel, and how many APS personnel?
b. Was Defence allocated additional funding from 2024 to fund these additional positions, or 
was Defence required to absorb these costs?
c. What is the estimated cost?
d. What additional funding and resources were provided to increase recruitment to achieve 
this target?
Answer
a) Of the 18,500 total future workforce growth by 2040, Defence has so far identified that 
12,500 of the growth will consist of 10,499 Australian Defence Force (ADF) and 2,051 
Defence Australian Public Servants. Defence continues to plan and assess the emerging 
workforce requirements for the remaining growth of 6,000 personnel.
b) Defence has identified existing funding arrangements to support growth of 12,500 
personnel. The further funding for the 6,000 personnel is subject to further consideration.
c) The joint media release of 10 March 2022 
https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/mediareleases/2022-03-10/defence-workforce-grow-
above-100000, Defence Ministers announced “The estimated cost of this expansion is at least 
$38 billion over the period to 2040, which is a significant investment in ensuring our ADF has 
the right people and skills to keep our nation safe.”
d) Defence did not receive any immediate additional funding or resources for the increased 
recruiting required by this announcement.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Craig Dobson
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director General Workforce Planning
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability
Group/Service: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000430
Last updated: 12 April 2023
myClearance Remediation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 

Defence has coordinated with the Attorney-General’s Department on policy advice to 
help facilitate temporary access for impacted clearance subjects without compromising 
security.

Defence has established a prioritisation process in consultation with Chief Security 
Officers to ensure that clearances for staff performing critical roles can be finalised as a 
priority.

Defence is now planning a post implementation review to identify and capture lessons 
learned.
Would you like to respond to the recent claim that “… the whole thing has collapsed...All 
[security] clearances are stalled and from what I understand there's no fix in sight…”

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency continues to accept and process 
clearances, with over 16,900 clearance decisions finalised through myClearance since 
system launch.

Major system launch issues are now resolved and the Australian Government Security 
Vetting Agency is processing more cases per week in myClearance than in the previous 
vetting system.

Substantial demand growth in vetting has also impacted on the Australian Government 
Security Vetting Agency’s ability to finalise clearances within benchmark processing 
times. 

Vetting demand has grown more than 70 per cent since 2016, due to greater 
demand for clearances from wider Government and Defence Industry. 

Once fully implemented, myClearance will significantly increase the Australian 
Government Security Vetting Agency’s capacity to meet this growing demand.

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency is working with vetting partners to 
expand vetting capacity and efficiency – myClearance has already seen a reduction in 
initial processing times before allocation to vetting analysts. 
If pressed: What impact have the myClearance issues had on vetting timelines?

Current clearance timeframes are: 
Clearance level
Key 
Financial Year 2022/2023  
Performance  As at 3/04/2023 
Indicator
Baseline
20 days
33 days
Negative Vetting Level  70 days
98 days
1
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Division:  Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
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Last updated: 12 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 
Clearance level
Key 
Financial Year 2022/2023  
Performance  As at 3/04/2023 
Indicator
Negative Vetting Level  100 days
147 days
2
Positive Vetting
180 days
147 days
If pressed: How many people are affected by these problems?

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency anticipates completing in excess of 
65,000 security clearances in Financial Year 2022-23. 

Over 44,600 clearances have been completed this financial year, and approximately 
41,000 clearances are in analysis. 

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency completed 64,098 clearance cases 
in the 2021-2022 financial year.
If pressed: Is there a risk to national security if large numbers of applicants are given waivers? 

The Attorney-General’s Department’s Protective Security Policy Framework provides 
guidance to sponsoring agencies for the use of temporary access provisions to ensure 
that risks are carefully managed. 

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency has an established risk 
management framework to help sponsoring agencies in assessing and managing their 
clearance subjects, including for temporary access.

Most temporary access resulting from myClearance delays will be for individuals whose 
cases have already been comprehensively assessed by the Australian Government 
Security Vetting Agency.
If pressed: Do the problems with myClearance put personal information at risk?

No. The issues with myClearance do not relate to the security aspects of the 
information on the system. 

myClearance uses Two-Factor Authentication via MyGovID, substantially uplifting 
security from the previous vetting system.
If pressed: Is there a risk to national security from the longer processing times?

The issues with myClearance have no impact on the integrity of the vetting process 
itself, which is conducted in line with the Attorney-General’s Department’s Protective 
Security Policy Framework. 

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency has developed prioritisation 
processes to ensure clearances for Government or industry personnel performing 
critical roles can be finalised. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Division:  Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000430
Last updated: 12 April 2023
myClearance Remediation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 
If pressed: Who/What caused the issues?

As a complex transformation project that modernises business processes, some issues 
can be expected. 

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency is working across Defence and with 
other government agencies to address the issue with myClearance as quickly as 
possible. 

A post implementation review will be conducted once the issues with myClearance are 
resolved.  
If pressed: What will be the cost of fixing myClearance?

Work to address the myClearance issues is currently being undertaken as part of 
project funding. 
If pressed: What is the cost of myClearance?

The budget for the myClearance project was $307.3 million. This includes:

$123.9 million for acquisition;

$14.7 million in contingency (which has not yet been accessed); and

$168.6 million for sustainment.
If pressed: How many clearances have been progressed under the new system?

Between 28 November 2022 and 29 March 2023, Australian Government Security 
Vetting Agency has finalised 12,335 clearances in myClearance.
If pressed: Are myClearance delays impacting the Australian Signals Directorate REDSPICE 
program?

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency has a Memorandum of 
Understanding with Australian Signals Directorate to track and prioritise processing of 
these clearances. 

REDSPICE clearances have experienced some delays as a result of myClearance issues, 
but Australian Government Security Vetting Agency is continuing to prioritise these 
cases.  
If pressed: Who is to blame for the myClearance issues?

Defence is focused on remediating problems with myClearance and returning to 
benchmark timeframes for the delivery of clearances. 

A post implementation review will be conducted once the issues with myClearance are 
resolved.
Background 

The Australian Government Security Vetting Agency’s vetting system and work 
processes were no longer fit-for-purpose and required modernising to meet continued 
demand growth, and the increasingly complex security threat environment.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Division:  Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000430
Last updated: 12 April 2023
myClearance Remediation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 

The Vetting Transformation Project delivered a new core vetting system that 
transforms how the Australian Government Security Vetting Agency delivers security 
vetting services through a contemporary vetting process enabled by a modern digital, 
integrated and scalable ICT system called myClearance.

The myClearance system launched on 28 November 2022. 

In mid-December 2022 however, while new baseline clearances were progressing 
through myClearance, issues were identified with the transfer of cases to Australian 
Security Intelligence Organisation, constraining processing of clearances above Baseline 
(NV1 to PV), which require an Australian Security Intelligence Organisation check 
before a clearance can be granted. 

Issues were also identified with the transition of data to myClearance, including data 
quality and mapping issues. As a result, some users experienced difficulties logging into 
myClearance or problems with the accuracy of their data. 
Date
Milestone
01 February 2021
Contract Effective Date 
December 2020
National Security Committee of Cabinet Second Pass approval 
September 2020
Gate 2 approval Defence Investment Committee 
March 2018
National Security Committee of Cabinet First Pass approval 
November 2017
Gate 1 approval Defence Investment Committee 
April 2017
Gate 0 approval Defence Investment Committee 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 35 Pending clearance level, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, Tasmania) asked for 
an update on the number of open cases across 1) clearance levels and 2) employment 
types. 

QoN 64 AGSVA and myClearance portal, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds (Liberal, 
Western Australia) asked a series of questions around the implementation of 
myClearance including: the liaising and testing of the myClearance portal for Security 
Officer; how Australian Government Security Vetting Agency is increasing its workforce 
to deal with its backlog and growth in applications, what the tender process was that 
awarded Accenture the contract and what steps Australian Government Security 
Vetting Agency is taking to accredit foreign security clearances in view of the AUKUS 
program. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Division:  Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000430
Last updated: 12 April 2023
myClearance Remediation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 63 Budget Allocation, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, Tasmania) asked for details 
of Australian Government Security Vetting Agency’s performance including processing 
time, Australian Government Security Vetting Agency staff and contractor numbers, 
applications in progress and a breakdown of clearance holders across Defence, 
Government, Industry and Parliamentary Staff.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In December 2022, an individual sought access to a Digital Service Standard approval by 
the Digital Transformation Agency, or exemption, for myClearance. No relevant 
documents were found. The individual had requested further checks but withdrew this 
request.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting

On 31 March 2023, ABC published an article Defence struggling to process staff 
security clearances needed ahead of AUKUS rush. Journalist Andrew Green covered the 
delays experience in processing clearances.

On 29 March 2023, the Canberra Times published an article titled Home Affairs 
Minister Clare O'Neil plans to make ASIO central hub for top security clearances
Journalist Sarah Basford Canales covered the introduction of a bill to parliament that 
would make the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation responsible for issuing, 
maintaining and revoking Positive Vetting clearances.

On 20 February 2023, the Mandarin published an article titled Six ways Defence needs 
to lift its act. Journalist John Glenn wrote an opinion piece on the Defence Strategic 
Review that covered clearance processing times.

On 17 February 2023, the Canberra Times published an article titled Defence 
Department's MyClearance security vetting system drags out clearance wait times
Journalist Sarah Basford Canales reported on Minister Thistlethwaite’s comments 
regarding the myClearance system

On 17 February 2023, innovationAus.com published an article titled Accenture-built 
vetting system issues force manual workarounds. Journalist Brandon How wrote about 
the challenges facing the myClearance system.

On 13 February 2023, the Canberra Times published an article titled Department of 
Foreign Affairs and Trade graduate applications fell in 2023, as CPSU criticises security 
clearance process. Journalist Miriam Webber reported on the Community and Public 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Division:  Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
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Last updated: 12 April 2023
myClearance Remediation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West 
Document 49
 
Sector Union’s letter to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade outlining their 
concerns about the lengthy clearance process.

On 10 February 2023, the ABC published an article titled DFAT accused of bungling 
2023 graduate program recruitment, excluding diverse candidates. Journalist Stephen 
Dziedzic covered the Community and Public Sector Union’s concerns that graduate 
program applicants were rejected due to the delays in obtaining a security clearance.

On 28 October 2022, The Canberra Times published an article titled Security vetting 
queue for public servants a ‘black box’: IGIS Christopher Jessup. Journalist Sarah 
Basford Canales reported on the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security’s 
concerns about the skills shortage faced in the intelligence community due to the delay 
in processing security clearance.
Division:
Defence Security Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000430
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Mel Flett, Assistant Secretary myClearance 
Peter West, FAS Defence Security
Remediation Taskforce, Defence Security 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Division
Date: 05 April 2023
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 31 March 2023
Consultation:  ICT Delivery Division
Date:  04 April 2023
Peter Alexander, FAS ICT Delivery
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 6 April 2023
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary, Security and Estate
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
2022-23 Supplementary Estimates

Security Clearances
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
Senator CHANDLER: I have a short tranche of questions on security clearance processing. The 
department confirmed, through my question on notice, that as at 1 November 2022 there 
were 38,915 open cases for clearance applications. Could you please provide an update on 
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Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
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Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
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the number of open cases across baseline, negative vetting 1, negative vetting 2 and positive 
vetting?
Ms Perkins: I'll just try and find that number. The current open case number is 43,449 cases.
Senator CHANDLER: More? And against each clearance level?
Ms Perkins: I would have to take that on notice.
Senator CHANDLER: I'm guessing you'll have to take this on notice as well, but can you break 
down the open cases against employment type?
Answer
1. Open cases as at 12 May 2023:
Clearance Level
Total Cases
Baseline
16,341
Negative Vetting Level 1
24,469
Negative Vetting Level 2
8,035
Positive Vetting
3,730
Total applications in process
52,575
2. Breakdown of open cases by employment type as at 12 May 2023:
Parliamentary 
Defence 
Staff
Defence APS
ADF 
Other 
GovernmentIndustry 
Percentage of all clearances
0.45%
12.77%
23.46% 25.76%
37.56%
2022-23 Supplementary Estimates
AGSVA and myClearance Portal
Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds
Question
1. How did the AGSVA Transformation Project liaise with end users to ensure that the 
myClearance portal was a suitable replacement for the Security Officer's Dashboard?
A) Please detail the pre-deployment testing that was undertaken.
2. Why does the myClearance portal lack critical resources for Chief Security Officers and 
Security Officers such as the ability to list and download all clearance holders under their 
sponsorship?
3. Why wasn't the Security Officer's Dashboard kept active, in the case that myClearance fails 
for any reason?
4. Whilst the Vetting timeframe KPI's are generally being achieved as per 20, 70, 100 business 
days (Baseline, NV1, NV2) can you please explain why is there a queue of up to 8 weeks 
before an applicant is allocated to a Vetting officer?
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Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
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Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
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5. What is AGSVA doing to increase the size of its workforce, given the backlog and the 
continued growth of new applications?
Answer
1. Security Officers were identified as an important user group. They were consulted as part 
of the project requirements gathering phase to inform system design. Selected security 
officers were also involved in user acceptance testing.
A. The myClearance project undertook a range of testing during development including user 
acceptance testing pre-deployment, as well as business verification testing following release. 
2. MyClearance was designed to increase the security of the system. System controls were 
designed around access to aggregated data to provide stronger protections for clearance 
subject’s
personal data. The project is continuing to consult with users, including security officers, 
regarding final functionality requirement at Full Operation Capability.  
3. The Security Officer’s Dashboard was not kept active as the data source it uses can no 
longer be updated and is increasingly out of date and inaccurate.
4. AGSVA has experienced record demand that resulted in non-Positive Vetting clearances 
exceeding vetting timeframes. Issues with the implementation of myClearance have 
exacerbated these delays.   
5. AGSVA’s workforce has grown to meet demand. AGSVA is modelling future workforce 
requirements and future vetting demand.
6. AGSVA‘s External Security Vetting Service contract is structured for flexibility to support 
surges in clearance demand and AGSVA is accessing this capacity as required. Certain 
elements of the vetting process can only be performed by Commonwealth entities and 
officers.
7. An open procurement process was used to select the prime system integrator. Evaluation 
was performed against criteria developed from the project’s requirements. Accenture was 
identified as the preferred tenderer. 
A. All contractors engaged on the Vetting Transformation project are Australia based. 
8. All AGSVA clearances are provided in accordance with the Australian Government 
Protective Security Policy Framework. AGSVA has a prioritisation process to facilitate high-
priority clearances across Government and industry. Since 2021, AGSVA has had a dedicated 
industry liaison function to support industry requirements.
A. All AGSVA clearances are provided in accordance with the process established in the 
Australian Government Protective Security Policy Framework. 
B. Australia has international agreements in place to recognise security clearances from 
partner nations while an individual is employed by that nation. 
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Name: Mel Flett 
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: AS myClearance Remediation Taskforce
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Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Security Clearances
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
1. What is the target processing time for security clearances? Please provide for each level of 
clearance (eg. NV1, NV2, PV etc.)
2. How many Department of Defence (Department) staff are allocated to work on processing 
clearances?
3. How many consultants or contractors are procured to work on processing clearances? 
Please provide details of these procurement costs and terms of appointment.
4. How many applications are currently being processed, for each level of clearance?
5. What proportions of applicants are Parliamentary, for the Department, for other 
departments and agencies, the Australian Defence Force (ADF), and industry/private sector? 
Please provide a breakdown of these and other relevant categories.
6. How many applications are being processed with an expectation that they will be assessed 
and completed, and clearance confirmed within the target processing time?
Answer
1. AGSVA’s Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) are published at www.agsva.gov.au. Processing 
time KPIs are to deliver 80 per cent of clearances in the following median processing times: 
Baseline: 20 business days 
Negative Vetting Level 1: 70 business days 
Negative Vetting Level 2: 100 business days 
Positive Vetting: 180 business days 
2. 156 Vetting Analysts. 
3. The External Security Vetting Services Panel has engaged 445 contracted vetting analysts 
through six prime contractors. The panel commenced in August 2019 and the six prime 
contractors and their staff are contracted to provide vetting services to AGSVA until mid-
2023. There is one option to extend the panel by 12 months until mid-2024.  
Total expenditure on external vetting services in 2021-22 was $75 million, with a total spend 
on the panel since August 2019 of $179.09 million.
4. Open cases as at 1 November 2022:
Clearance Level
Number of Cases
Baseline
9,737
Negative Vetting Level 1
17,659
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Negative Vetting Level 2
8,436
Positive Vetting
3,083
Total applications in process
38,915
5. Breakdown of open cases by employment type as at 1 November 2022:
Parliamentary 
Defence 
Staff
Defence APS
ADF 
Other 
Government Industry 
Percentage of all clearances
1.03%
7.27%
27.88%
25.67%
38.14%
6. As at 1 November 2022, for Financial Year 2022-23, 14.2 per cent of cases were processed 
within AGSVA KPIs (KPIs relate to the AGSVA vetting process and do not include the time 
taken by the applicant to complete the vetting pack, or for AGSVA to check the pack is 
complete and correct any issues with the applicant).
AGSVA has experienced record demand over the last two years, impacting vetting processing 
timeframes. AGSVA met all vetting KPIs in FY2021-22, but from July 2022 vetting timeframes 
for Baseline and NV1s have exceeded KPI’s. 
7. As at 1 November 2022, for Financial Year 2022-23, 85.8 per cent of cases were processed 
outside AGSVA KPIs. 
‘Current Processing Times’ are median timeframes. Median statistics are used to provide a 
more accurate picture of security clearance timeframes, as the average (or mean) does not 
properly represent the impact of outlier cases that take much longer or shorter to complete 
than the majority of security clearances. 
Current median application processing time:
Clearance level
KPI in Days* 
Current Median Processing Times
Baseline
20 
28 days
Negative Vetting Level 1
70 
83 days
Negative Vetting Level 2
100 
101 days
Positive Vetting 
180 
137 days**
* KPIs and processing times are business days.
**Unlike other clearance levels Positive Vetting demand has so far remained stable for 
FY2022-23 allowing AGSVA to continue to meet KPIs.  
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Name: Celia Perkins
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Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
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Harassment Orders could have on ADF operations, Australia’s defence or national 
security. 

In addition to existing military justice processes, Defence has introduced a new avenue 
for ADF members to seek assistance outside of their chain of command if they feel at 
risk of continued sexual harassment from another ADF member, or in a Defence 
workplace. 

The measures are known as Stop Sexual Harassment Directions. They are contained in a 
new Part 6A to the Defence Regulation 2016, which came into effect on 
21 March 2023.

New measures ensure ADF personnel have access to similar processes as their APS and 
contractor counterparts, as they are not eligible to seek Stop Sexual Harassment Orders 
against another ADF member under the Fair Work Act.

Subsection 527F(3) also contains scope for regulations to be made to allow Defence 
personnel to apply to the Fair Work Commission for a Stop Sexual Harassment Order, in 
certain circumstances. These circumstances are set out in amendments to the Fair 
Work Regulations (2009). ADF members will be able to apply to the Fair Work 
Commission for a Stop Sexual Harassment Order in circumstances where:

The alleged sexual harassment is carried out by a non-ADF member;

The ADF member is not able to access a Defence Stop Sexual Harassment 
Direction. This could be because they have been sexually harassed in a non-ADF 
workplace (including another government department);

The ADF member who has been sexually harassed has exhausted the internal 
Defence Stop Sexual Harassment Direction process, and is dissatisfied with the 
outcome; or

The Defence Stop Sexual Harassment Direction process is not suitable, for 
example because the respondent to the complaint would be involved in 
conducting the process.

ADF members and others may seek the assistance of the Fair Work Commission to 
mediate or conciliate a complaint, regardless of any action that is also taken under the 
military justice system. The Fair Work Commission may also make a recommendation 
or express an opinion on such a complaint.

A range of external mechanisms including through the Defence Force Ombudsman and 
Australian Human Rights Commission, are also available to the Defence workforce.

Defence is committed to preventing sexual harassment in the workplace, and will 
implement specific measures that reflect the excluded provisions of the Act and meet 
or exceed the standards set by the Act. 
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Name: David Nockels
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Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
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How does an ADF member apply for a ‘Stop Sexual Harassment Direction’ from Defence? 

ADF members can apply to an ‘Authorised Application Officer’ (Lieutenant Colonel (E) 
or EL1 and above) if the person they believe is sexually harassing them is an ADF 
member, or the sexual harassment is occurring in a Defence workplace. 

An Authorised Application Officer is empowered by the Secretary and Chief of the 
Defence Force to issue directions to stop the risk of continuing sexual harassment. 
Directions can be interim or final. A direction may cover:

changes in working arrangements;

requiring one or more individuals to stop specified behaviour;

regular monitoring of behaviours by a supervisor or commander;

the provision of information and additional support and training to the unit;

the conduct of a safety risk assessment for the workplace, and/or

a recommendation for further administrative or disciplinary action.

A person in a Defence workplace who receives a Stop Sexual Harassment Direction is 
required to comply with it. For ADF members and APS employees, this is by direction of 
the Chief of the Defence Force and the Secretary. Administrative or disciplinary action 
could be imposed if the person did not comply with the Direction.

The Authorised Application Officer must make a final decision within 60 days of the 
application. If the applicant is dissatisfied with the outcome, they may seek internal 
review from a Major General (E)/SES Band 2 delegate of the Chief of the Defence Force 
and Secretary.
Is Defence’s ‘Stop Sexual Harassment Direction’ process independent of the chain of 
command?

Yes. 

A select number of Authorised Application Officers and internal reviewers have been 
appointed across the ADF and the Department to make these decisions. This will 
ensure there is always an option outside the chain of command.
Why is there a power for the Chief of the Defence Force to declare an activity out of scope 
for the Stop Sexual Harassment Order measures? 

Sexual harassment in any environment is always unacceptable. 

There are some workplace settings where it may not be possible or practical to apply 
Stop Sexual Harassment Orders issued by the Fair Work Commission.

An example is during the course of ADF operations overseas in zones of active 
hostilities.
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Name: David Nockels
Position: Director Military Administrative and Discipline Law
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
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In cases where a declaration applies, the ADF will demand high standards of behaviour 
from all personnel and can apply existing military justice processes to stop sexual 
harassment.

Any aggrieved person could still apply to the Fair Work Commission for mediation 
or conciliation of a complaint, if they wish to do so and can apply for a Stop 
Sexual Harassment order once the declaration no longer applies to them.
How do other military justice processes apply to sexual harassment?

When a complaint of unacceptable behaviour is made, commanders and managers 
have an obligation to take action. Unacceptable behaviour includes sexual harassment.

Should they receive a complaint of sexual harassment, commanders and managers are 
required to take immediate action, including issuing commands and reasonable 
directions, impacting the ADF and APS workforce, to address the needs of 
complainants, respondents, and the unit/workplace.

These current authorities are based on: 

The Chief of the Defence Force’s command power;

The joint Chief of the Defence Force and Secretary authority for the 
administration of Defence;

The Secretary’s role as an Agency Head; and 

Relevant Defence Instructions made under the Defence Act 1903, which 
recognise the integrated nature of the Defence organisation and workforce and 
give effect to Defence’s values and expected behaviours.

Within Defence, the consequences for an ADF member who is a respondent to a 
complaint of any form of sexual harassment can extend to criminal or disciplinary 
action or administrative sanctions, which may include involuntary separation from 
service. 
Can the Fair Work Commission deal with ADF members as respondents?

Yes. From March 2023 if a civilian complains about an ADF member, the member may 
be the subject of a Fair Work Commission order. This is because the Fair Work Act 
exclusion impacts ADF members as applicants, but not respondents. In these 
circumstances, orders could also apply to other ADF members in the workplace, such as 
a commander or supervisor. However, a Stop Sexual Harassment Order cannot require 
anyone to do anything that would breach Australia’s defence or national security.

In addition, the Chief of the Defence Force has authority to declare a specified activity, 
such as an operation or exercise, exempt from the Fair Work Commission’s jurisdiction. 

The Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations must approve a declaration 
exemption (section 527N of the Fair Work Act). 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director Military Administrative and Discipline Law
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Military Law Branch, Defence Legal
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A declaration exemption of this kind would exclude all personnel involved in the 
activity, including APS employees and contractors, from applying to the Fair Work 
Commission. 

This could address circumstances where there may be an operational impact from the 
application of Stop Sexual Harassment Orders during the activity.

Military justice options would still be available in both these circumstances.
Background 

Part 8 of the amended Fair Work Act contains two measures which apply to Defence 
personnel:

A prohibition on sexual harassment, which will allow any person to apply to the 
Fair Work Commission to mediate or conciliate a complaint about sexual 
harassment.

A Stop Sexual Harassment Order, which will allow civilian personnel in Defence 
workplaces to apply to the Fair Work Commission and ask that a preventative 
order be made to stop future sexual harassment. 

Unless provided for by regulations, ADF members are not able to seek a Stop Sexual 
Harassment Order. The newly-amended Fair Work Regulations 2009 identifies specific 
circumstances when ADF members can apply to the Fair Work Commission for a Stop 
Sexual Harassment Order. 

They focus on when the internal Defence process is exhausted, not available or 
not suitable.

To ensure ADF members have access to a similar mechanism, Defence has updated the 
Defence Regulation 2016 to protect ADF members from the risk of continued sexual 
harassment while on duty. The new Defence mechanism is titled Stop Sexual 
Harassment Directions and complements existing processes, including management of 
unacceptable behaviour. 

It has similar effect within Defence as the Fair Work Commission’s Stop Sexual 
Harassment Orders do for the general community.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director Military Administrative and Discipline Law
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
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Phone: s47E(d) /s22
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Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has reported on the introduction of Stop Sexual Harassment 
directions in Defence, primarily through Australian Community Media network 
publications. Example: Defence gets harassment protections.
Division:
Defence Legal 
PDR No: 
SB23-000431
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Director 
Adrian D’Amico, Chief Counsel, Defence 
Military Administrative and Discipline Law, 
Legal Division
Military Law Branch
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 6 April 2023 
Date: 6 April 2023
Consultation: N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 11 April 2023
David Nockels, Acting Deputy Secretary Defence People 
Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Group Captain Angeline Lewis
Name: David Nockels
Position: Director Military Administrative and Discipline Law
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
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Defence conducts continuous research to better understand the causes of sexual 
misconduct in order to prevent incidents occurring.

Defence continually reviews its sexual misconduct policies and processes to 
maintain a victim-centric, trauma-informed approach to managing sexual 
misconduct. 

In 2021, with extensive stakeholder engagement, Defence reviewed its 
Sexual Misconduct Policy, the Complaints and Alternative Resolutions 
Manual (CARM) Chapter 9 – Responding to Sexual Misconduct. The current 
policy was released in June 2022.

Defence takes an enterprise-wide approach to sexual misconduct education:

Defence is enhancing and modernising its Sexual Misconduct Education 
Program. From January 2023 all Defence personnel are required to 
complete mandatory targeted sexual misconduct education modules. 

Ongoing sexual misconduct education throughout individuals’ careers will 
be aligned with professional mastery education continuums. 

Defence also delivers targeted training to commanders, managers and 
supervisors to ensure the best possible response is provided to any person 
who reports.

Defence encourages people subjected to alleged sexual misconduct to report the 
incident to Defence, but respects their choice if they do not wish to do so. 

If an incident occurs, victims are provided choices from reporting through to 
investigation. Their ability to exercise choice is protected by policy which can lead 
to sanctions if that choice is not managed appropriately. 

Defence personnel have a number of internal and external options to report 
alleged sexual misconduct, including the chain of command, military police, 
civilian police, Directorate of Conduct and Performance, the Inspector General of 
the Australian Defence Force, the Commonwealth (Defence Force) Ombudsman, 
the Australian Human Rights Commissioner, and the Public Interest Disclosure 
Team. 

The process to deal with a complaint is dependent upon the preferences of the 
victim and the nature of the complaint.

Defence policy states that all alleged sexual offences against Defence 
personnel are notifiable incidents meaning there is a requirement for 
Defence personnel (other than victims) to report the incident immediately 
to the Joint Military Police Unit.

The victim is always able to choose to have civilian police investigate the 
matter, rather than the Joint Military Police Unit, when civilian police have 
jurisdiction. If the victim chooses to report a sexual offence to civilian 
police, Defence will support them to do so and will assist with any 
investigation.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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Other forms of sexual misconduct (sex discrimination and sexual 
harassment) are reported and managed as unacceptable behaviour 
incidents through the chain of command.

Defence takes action when sexual misconduct allegations are raised and the 
victim wishes to proceed with the matter. Offenders are held to account 
wherever possible.

If the alleged offender is an ADF member, the Joint Military Police Unit will 
normally seek to refer sexual assaults to the relevant civilian police authority for 
investigation, but may exercise jurisdiction to investigate if that is the wish of the 
victim. 

The Joint Military Police Unit does not have jurisdiction to investigate incidents 
when the alleged offender is not an ADF member. The Joint Military Police Unit 
refers those incidents to civilian police with the consent of the victim.

The ultimate decision on whether to prosecute a matter inside the military 
jurisdiction is at the discretion of the Director of Military Prosecution and subject 
to any consent required from the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions.

Defence works to prevent further harm with prompt and sensitive incident 
management, options in reporting and investigations, and free access to external and 
internal support services.

Victims are encouraged to choose the support and advice services that best suit 
their needs, either from inside of or provided externally to Defence. A number of 
Defence and community assistance options are available, including 24/7 
confidential support services such as Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response 
Office.

Established in 2013, in response to Recommendation 18 of the Review into the 
Treatment of Women in the Australian Defence Force 2012, the Sexual 
Misconduct Prevention and Response Office is a central part of Defence’s cultural 
change initiatives promoting reporting, help-seeking, and prevention. The Sexual 
Misconduct Prevention and Response Office is a ‘supporting’ not a ‘reporting’ 
agency.

The ‘1800 SeMPRO’ service uses trauma-informed principles based on ensuring 
safety, choice, trust, empowerment and collaboration. 

Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office social workers and 
psychologists are available 24/7 to provide confidential advice and support to all 
current or ex-serving ADF members, APS employees, Defence contractors, ADF 
Cadets, Instructors or Officers of ADF Cadets, colleagues, friends and family 
members.

Sexual misconduct is a complex issue. No single data source can provide all of the 
information needed to assess the prevalence of sexual misconduct. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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If pressed: why did Defence release a statement on sexual misconduct in the Australian 
Defence Force?

The Government and Defence is aiming to keep our people and their families, media 
and public commentators best informed on how Defence manages sexual misconduct 
and supports victims.
Background 
How does Defence define sexual misconduct?

The definitions used by Defence in relation to sexual misconduct are detailed in SB23-
000531. Defence uses the term ‘sexual misconduct’ to encompass the spectrum of 
unwanted and unwelcome sexualised behaviours. Broadly this is broken into three 
categories: sex discrimination, sexual harassment and sexual offences. 
What are the support options for Defence personnel?

Defence personnel who have been impacted by sexual misconduct are encouraged to 
choose the support and advice services that best suit their needs, either from inside of 
or provided externally to Defence.

A number of Defence and community assistance options are available, including Service 
Chaplains, Joint Health Command, and 24/7 confidential support services such as the 
Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office. 

Defence requires commanders and managers to treat the complainant and their 
allegations sensitively and seriously, and take necessary action to manage the 
workplace until an outcome is reached.
Reported ADF sexual assault data per year (as per Defence Annual Report)

For the financial year 2022/2023 (as at 31 March 2023), 108 sexual assaults have been 
reported to military police, consisting of:

53 aggravated sexual assaults (e.g. penetrative acts committed without consent, 
or threat of penetrative acts committed without consent with aggravating 
circumstances); and

55 non-aggravated sexual assaults (i.e. touching of a sexual nature without 
consent where penetration does not occur).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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Commonwealth Model 
Australia New Zealand Standard Offence Classification 
Criminal Code (MCC)
(ANZSOC)
Financial Year 
14/15
15/16
16/17
17/18
18/19
19/20
20/21
21/22
22/23*
98
84
87
170
166
160
187
148
108*
* As at 05 April (Year to Date)

Since Defence commenced using Australia New Zealand Standard Offence 
Classification, average reporting of sexual offences has remained relatively consistent. 
There has been a slight decrease in the past year. 

The underlying drivers for this are unclear, however, Defence’s numbers are 
lower than those observed in the general Australian community where reporting 
has increased over time. 

The reasons for Defence’s lower number may well represent the manifestation of 
efforts to eradicate sexual misconduct and an actual decrease in the prevalence 
of incidents.
How does the ADF compare with other jurisdictions?

For sexual offences, the terminology regarding sexual assault differs between different 
jurisdictions. This makes it difficult to compare sexual assault data in the ADF with other 
jurisdictions. 

The Defence administrative sanction system is based on ‘balance of probabilities’ as 
opposed to the higher standard of proof required for civilian criminal jurisdictions 
which is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.

Of the 148 sexual offence reports to the Joint Military Police Unit for the financial 
year 2021/2022:

55.4 per cent (82)of all reports progressed to investigation; 

6.1 per cent (nine) of all reports progressed to prosecution; and

4.7 per cent (seven) of all reports resulted in a guilty finding (77.8 per cent 
of prosecutions).

The New South Wales Police data from the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics 
and Research for Calendar Year 2021 which indicated that of the 14,650 sexual 
offences recorded 15.4 per cent progressed to prosecution and 9.9 per cent of all 
reports (64.4 per cent of prosecutions) resulted in a guilty finding. As the largest 
criminal jurisdiction in Australia, New South Wales provides a useful comparator for 
sexual offence reporting outcomes. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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Division:
People Capability
PDR No: 
SB23-000432
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Head of Sexual 
Major General Wade Stothart, Head of 
Misconduct Prevention and Response office  People Capability, People Capability Division
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 4 April 2023
Date: 11 April 2023
Consultation:  Joint Capabilities Group
Date: 30 March 2023
Name:  s47E(d)

Mob: s22
Provost Marshal – Australian Defence Force
Ph: s47E(d)
Joint Capabilities Group 
Date: 31 March 2023
Name: s47E(d)

Mob: s22
Director Military Administrative and 
Ph: s47E(d)
Discipline Law
Office of the Director of Military 
Date: 06 April 2023
Prosecutions
Mob: s22
Name: s47E(d)
, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
Director Military Prosecutions
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 11 April 2023  
David Nockels, Acting Deputy Secretary Defence People 
Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates

Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade 
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
Is the Department of Defence aware that a serving female officer who raised concerns about 
the presence of males in female bathrooms in Defence Department offices and facilities was 
told by the Department’s Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response office to “utilise 
another bathroom”?
Answer
Defence does not comment on individual cases.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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Senate Question 1061
Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade 
Senator Jacqui Lambie
Question
With reference to sexual assault in the ADF:
1. How much has the Government spent on legal costs fighting sexual assault claims against 
ADF members in the last [5?] years.
2. How many cases of sexual assault has the Department settled out of court in the last 5 
years.
3. Are ADF recruits (including Army, Navy, and Air Force) given any anti sexual 
assault/harassment training; if so, what does this training entail and are ADF employees 
taught how to report sexual assault.
4. How many cases of sexual assault has been reported to the ADF by ADF members and 
civilian staff in the last 5 years.
5. How many cases of sexual assault reported against ADF members have gone to military 
court in the last 5 years and what were the outcomes.
6. How many sexual assaults reported against ADF members have gone to civilian court in the 
last 5 years and what were the outcomes.
7. What have the ramifications been for the perpetrator and the victim due to the 
allegations.
8. How many victims have lost their military careers due to sexual assault or the mental 
health issues that have arisen from the assault. 
Answer
1. Defence is unable to provide an answer on the costs associated with sexual assault claims 
as data is not recorded in this manner.
2.  There have been 339 historical cases of alleged sexual abuse and/or physical abuse that 
have been settled since 2017. 
3. All Defence members and employees complete the annual Mandatory Workplace 
Behaviour Awareness Training, either through a face-to-face presentation or online. The aim 
of the package is to introduce and explain workplace behaviour obligations and complaint 
handling processes and reporting avenues. The training package is focused on embedding 
Defence Values and Behaviours, with messages from the Chief of Defence Force and the 
Secretary of the Department of Defence. The training package includes the topic of sexual 
misconduct, how to report incidents and the role of Sexual Misconduct Prevention and 
Response Office (SeMPRO).
More specifically, Healthy Relationships and Sexual Ethics (HRSE) Training (commissioned by 
SeMPRO in 2014) is delivered by the Services in ADF ab initio training establishments. This 
describes the elements of a healthy relationship and recognises the importance of sexual 
ethics and appropriate behaviours in establishing and maintaining a safe and respectful 
Defence culture.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000432
Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig; Vice Admiral David Johnston; Major General Wade Stothart
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4. 909 cases of alleged sexual assault were reported to or detected by the Joint Military 
Police Unit (JMPU), from 1 July 2017 to 6 December 2022. 
5. 54 matters involving alleged sexual offences were brought before superior tribunals in the 
last 5 years. Of these: 
• 25 of these were found guilty; 
• six were found guilty of alternate offences; and 
• 23 were found not guilty.
6. Defence is aware of seven matters. Of these:
• three findings of guilty; 
• three of not guilty; and 
• one with a diversion and no conviction recorded. 
7.  Defence is not able to provide a response as data is not recorded in this manner, and it 
would be inappropriate to comment given the sensitive nature of the data requested. 
There is no place for sexual misconduct in Defence. All allegations are taken very seriously. 
Incidents of sexual misconduct do not align with Defence values. Defence maintains a victim-
centric, trauma-informed approach to support individuals to report sexual misconduct. 
Defence continually reviews its policies and processes to minimise the risk of incidents and 
maintain a trauma-informed approach to managing sexual misconduct. Any ADF member 
who experiences sexual misconduct is strongly encouraged and supported to report the 
incident. Victims who wish to report an incident have a range of options, including direct 
engagement with State or Territory Police, or the Australian Federal Police, independent of 
Defence. Victims can also choose to report to Defence through the military police, or their 
chain of command.
8.  Defence is not able to provide a response as data is not recorded in this manner, and it 
would be inappropriate to comment given the sensitive nature of the data requested.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: David Nockels
Position: Head Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office
Position: acting Deputy Secretary
Division: People Capability 
Group: Defence People
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Vice Admiral David Johnston 
              ATTACHMENT A
FOI 789/22/23 
STATEMENT ON SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN THE AUSTRALIAN DEFENCE FORCE
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Attachment 1
21 July 2022 (published on Defence internet site)
There is no place for sexual misconduct in Defence. All allegations are taken very seriously. Incidents of 
sexual misconduct do not align with Defence values.
Defence acknowledges our previous failures to adequately handle sexual misconduct incidents. 
Defence is committed to doing better. Since 2012, Defence has established several pathways to 
address both current and historic sexual misconduct complaints in the Australian Defence Force (ADF).
Defence has established systems, training and processes to educate our people and seek to prevent 
sexual misconduct. Defence maintains a victim-centric, trauma-informed approach to support 
individuals to report sexual misconduct. Defence continually reviews its policies and processes to 
minimise the risk of incidents and maintain a trauma-informed approach to managing sexual 
misconduct.
Defence seeks to ensure it has an environment where individuals feel safe to report and have access 
to support services through employing the principles of safety, trust, choice, collaboration, and 
empowerment.
Any ADF member who experiences sexual misconduct is strongly encouraged and supported to report 
the incident. Victims who wish to report an incident have a range of options, including direct 
engagement with State or Territory Police, or the Australian Federal Police, independent of Defence. 
Victims can also choose to report to Defence through the military police, or their chain of command.
Defence imposes strong reporting obligations on its people, while enabling victims to have confidential 
conversations with support services and close friends. Defence encourages its people, who become 
aware of an alleged sexual misconduct, to report the incident immediately through established 
reporting processes. Commanders and managers have an obligation to report sexual offences to the 
military police.
All victims are encouraged and supported to report sexual offences to relevant State or territory 
Police. For sexual offences that are investigated by civilian police, charging and prosecution decisions 
are a matter for relevant civilian police and Director of Public Prosecutions.
In all cases of sexual misconduct, if the alleged perpetrator is an ADF member and if the victim agrees 
to take action, Defence will consider disciplinary or administrative action. This may be in addition to 
any criminal process. Individuals accused of sexual misconduct are entitled to the presumption of 
innocence and provided support while the matter is investigated.
Where sexual offence allegations are made, the victim’s preferences to take action are given 
significant consideration. If the victim chooses to report to civilian police, Defence will support them to 
do so and will assist with any investigation. If the victim requests military police to investigate, military 
police can and will investigate in accordance with Commonwealth and/or ACT legislation. Where an 
offence occurs overseas, and Defence has jurisdiction, military police have carriage of such matters.
The independent Director of Military Prosecutions will decide whether to prosecute a sexual offence 
matter inside the military discipline system.
Defence respects the privacy and confidentiality of victims and will not comment on individual 
matters.

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Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Vice Admiral David Johnston 
              ATTACHMENT A
FOI 789/22/23 
There are a number of 24/7 confidential support services available to impacted individuals such as the 
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Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office (SeMPRO).  If you or someone you know is a 
Attachment 1
current or former serving ADF member and requires support, please contact any of the below 
specialised counselling services and resources. Defence supports and encourages people to access 
confidential assistance from the internal or external service that best meets their needs. 

Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office (SeMPRO) at xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx or 
(1800 736 776 [1800 SeMPRO])

The Defence Member and Family Helpline at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx or 1800 
624 608

Defence All-hours Support Line (ASL) (1800 628 036)

Employee Assistance Program Portal at http://drnet.defence.gov.au/People/WHS/Employee-
Assistance-Program/pages/Employee-Assistance-Program.aspx or 1300 687 327 [1300 OUR EAP]

ADF health services accessed through Garrison Health Centres (https://www.defence.gov.au/adf-
members-families/health-well-being/garrison/adf-mental-health-
services#MentalHealthServicescontact).

Online through ADF’s Mental Health and Psychology Services (https://www.defence.gov.au/adf-
members-families/health-well-being/services-support-fighting-fit/need-help-now)

The ADF Chaplaincy Services (http://drnet/People/Policy/ADF-PAC-Policy/Pages/ADF-Chaplaincy-
Policy.aspx) provide a 24/7 on-call 1300 DEFENCE (1300 333 362)

Lifeline: www.lifeline.org.au (13 11 14)
Definitions 
Defence uses the term ‘sexual misconduct’ to encompass the spectrum of unwanted and unwelcome 
sexualised behaviours. Applying the term ‘sexual misconduct’ to describe all unwanted sexualised 
behaviours is common but not universal. Terms used by other agencies to cover the full range of 
behaviours include ‘sexual harassment’ and ‘sexual assault’. Defence uses those terms to exclusively 
reflect specific behaviours as they are defined in legislation.
Defence defines the term ‘Sexual offences’ as acts, or intent of acts, of a sexual nature against another 
person which constitutes a criminal offence. Sexual offences are defined in various Commonwealth, 
state, and territory legislation. Specific offences differ across the various jurisdictions but are broadly 
categorised as sexual assaults and non-assaultive sexual offences.
Media contacts
Issued by Ministerial and Executive Coordination and Communication,
Department of Defence, 
Canberra, ACT
xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx



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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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These initiatives are aligned across Defence and DVA, to ensure that applicants 
have a consistent experience when accessing information. 

An Information Access Unit has now been established in each Department. These 
are dedicated teams who will serve as a single point of contact and as a source of 
advice for applicants requesting information.

Guidelines on information access mechanisms have also been published by both 
Departments to make it easier to understand how to seek records and to explain 
why records may contain redactions. 

Both Departments’ websites have been revised and simplified to make content 
easier to find including the supporting education material on information access. 

With these improvements, applicants will have a better understanding of the 
information access process and of the support available to them when and where 
they need it. 

Both Departments are embedding trauma-informed practice principles and 
training, which will remain a key focus of the Government’s ongoing response to 
the Interim Report.
Defence’s engagement with the Royal Commission 
If pressed: Will Defence members be penalised for engaging with the Royal Commission?

Defence acknowledged the Royal Commission concerns in relation to protections for 
serving members of the ADF disclosing sensitive information to the Royal Commission, 
and developed a policy (referred to as the “the arrangement”) that enables current and 
former serving members and APS to be considered “on duty” and covered by the 
Defence Act 1903 when engaging with the Royal Commission. This policy has been co-
signed by the Chief of the Defence Force, the Secretaries of Defence and DVA and the 
Royal Commissioners.

The Chief of the Defence Force has publicly clarified that ADF members will not be 
penalised for engaging with the Royal Commission and all Service Chiefs and Senior 
Enlisted convey this commitment in a video asking ADF members to “tell your story”.

In addition, the Royal Commissions Amendment (Enhancing Engagement) Bill 2023 was 
passed by both Houses on 30 March 2023. The Bill amends the Royal Commissions Act 
1902 to ensure the confidentiality of certain information given by individuals to the 
Defence and Veteran Suicide Royal Commission about their experiences of suicide, 
suicidality, poor mental health or related systemic issues. 

Commencement of the Bill will implement recommendation 6(1) of the Interim Report 
of the Royal Commission.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
                                           Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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If pressed: Are there any matters that ADF Members cannot disclose to the Royal 
Commission?

Notwithstanding “the arrangement”, there remain some matters to which non-
disclosure conditions may apply, for example information regarding on-going 
investigations or inquires. ADF members who are party to these matters are not 
discouraged from engaging with the Royal Commission. Rather they are encouraged to 
consult with their legal counsel when they engage with the Royal Commission to ensure 
they comply with these conditions.
If pressed: How is Defence supporting the work of the Royal Commission?

Defence has a dedicated Taskforce with experienced staff in legal, information 
management, policy, governance and coordination, communications, wellbeing, 
planning, and group and service liaison roles.  

The Taskforce delivers two key functions: 

responding to high volume and complex requests from the Royal Commission; 
and

assisting Defence personnel, especially Commonwealth witnesses, to appear 
before the Royal Commission, with legal, administrative, and wellbeing support.

The Taskforce also provides information to the broader Defence community (ADF 
personnel, APS, contractors, consultants and families of serving members) on how to 
engage with the Royal Commission and how to access wellbeing support.
If pressed: What support services are being offered to Defence personnel?

The health and wellbeing of all Defence personnel is a priority.

Support services are widely available through: local Garrison Health Centres, the All 
Hours ADF support line, the Defence Family Helpline, the Employee Assistance Program 
(for Reserves and APS employees) and the ADF Chaplaincy services.

The Royal Commission also provides counselling and support services for those who 
engage with them and this support is available before, during and after a person 
participates in a hearing or private session. 
Background 
Financial Implications for Defence

The Defence Taskforce to support the functions of the Royal Commission into Defence 
and Veteran Suicide is funded from within the existing resources of Defence.
ADF Suicide Rates

The Defence Suicide Database, which records the deaths of current serving members, 
has recorded 165 full-time serving ADF members who are suspected or confirmed to 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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have died by suicide, including nine females, between 1 January 2000 and 31 March 
2023.

s47F
 

The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report Serving and ex-serving Australian 
Defence Force members who have served since 1985: suicide monitoring 1997 to 2019 
shows, in comparison to the Australian population, the age adjusted rate of suicide 
from 1997-2019 was: 

49 per cent lower for full-time serving males; 

46 per cent lower for Reserve males; 

27 per cent higher for ex-serving males; and 

107 per cent (two times more likely) higher for ex-serving females.*
*Due to the small number of suicide deaths among females in permanent and reserve 
service, suicide rates are not reported for these subgroups.
Details of the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide

On 8 July 2021, the Governor-General established the Royal Commission into Defence 
and Veteran Suicide. Mr Nick Kaldas APM (Chair), the Hon James Douglas QC and 
Dr Peggy Brown AO were appointed as Commissioners. 

There have been eight public hearings since November 2021, held in Brisbane, Sydney 
(twice), Canberra, Townsville, Hobart, Darwin and Wagga Wagga. Hearing Block 9 will 
be held in Perth from 16 May 2023.

The hearings have focussed on a range of topics including culture, stigma, 
deployments, welfare, and support to families, medical care, recruitment and 
discharge.

The Royal Commission published an interim report on 11 August 2022, which the 
Government responded to on 26 September 2022. A final report is due on 
17 June 2024.

The Royal Commission is independent of both Defence and DVA and is administered by 
AGD. 

The Royal Commission determines who they will summon to provide evidence and 
determines the witness schedules.

The Royal Commissions Amendment (Enhancing Engagement) Bill 2023 passed the 
Parliament on 30 March 2023 and introduces a new section (6OQ). 

The Bill will commence the day after it receives Royal Assent. Royal Assent 
typically occurs 8-10 working days after passage of the Bill. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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Section 6OQ apply limitations on the use and disclosure of information given by 
individuals to the Royal Commission about their experiences of suicide, 
suicidality, poor mental health or related systemic issues.

The new provision was modelled on equivalent protections in place for the Royal 
Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with 
Disability.

The Government consulted the Royal Commission and other key stakeholders on 
the drafting of these amendments.

The Attorney-General’s Department and key Commonwealth agencies will 
continue to discuss arrangements with the Royal Commission to ensure serving 
and ex-serving Defence members can engage with the Royal Commission without 
breaching relevant secrecy obligations. 

The impact of secrecy offences for future Royal Commissions will be considered 
as part of the Attorney-General Department’s Secrecy Provisions Review.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


QoN 623, Senator Michaelia Cash (Liberal, Western Australia), asked for details relating 
to an Austender contract notice that related to costs associated with the Defence 
support to Hearing Block 5 in Townsville. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

On 15 October 2022, a media organisation sought access under FOI for “All briefing 
documents provided by Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney AM, Head Royal Commission 
Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce to Minister of Defence and/or Minister of 
Veterans Affairs, regarding defence and veteran suicides”. Documents released on 
02 December 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 04 April 2023 the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs and Defence Personnel announced 
the Government had implemented another five recommendations (recommendations 
9-13) of the Interim Report of the Royal Commission to improve information access for 
Defence members, veterans and their families.

On 16 November 2022, following the release of the AIHW Defence and Veteran Suicide 
Monitoring Report, the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs and Defence Personnel 
reaffirmed the Government’s commitment to Defence personnel, veterans and families 
by ‘responding to important recommendations put forward by the Royal Commission 
into Defence and Veteran Suicide’.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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Relevant Media Reporting 

On 06 April 2023 the West Australian published an article titled, “Veteran, defence 
records made easier to access.” Journalist Tess Ikonomou reported on the 
Government’s announcement regarding the implementation of recommendations 9-13 
of the Interim Report.

On 06 March 2023 the Daily Telegraph published (and widely syndicated in other News 
Corp mastheads) an article titled, “Royal Commission considers leg-up to job interviews 
for Australian war veterans.” Journalist Charles Miranda had an in-depth discussion 
with the commissioners on the progress of the Royal Commission so far and their 
consideration to give veterans ‘a leg up’ in job interviews.

On 05 March 2023 A Current Affair reporter Simon Bouda “interviewed the 
Commissioners on their reflections of the past 18 months” of the Royal Commission 
and their plans for 'the next phase'.
Division:
Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
PDR No: 
SB23-000433
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Air Vice-Marshal B Courtney, Head of Royal 
Air Vice-Marshal B Courtney, Head of Royal 
Commission into Defence and Veteran 
Commission into Defence and Veteran 
Suicide Taskforce
Suicide Taskforce
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 6 April 2023
Date: 6 April 2023
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary: 
Date: 06 April 2023  
Justine Greig, Deputy Secretary, Defence People Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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Last updated: 05 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Justine Greig, Rear Admiral Sarah Sharkey; Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Venue Hire
Senator Michaelia Cash
Question
With reference to contract notice CN3876276 published by the Department of Defence on 
the Austender website on 24 May 2022 relating to venue hire:
1. To what event did this venue hire relate, and precisely where was the event held.
2. Can an itemised list of all costs relating to the event be provided.
3. Can a guest list for the event be provided, including, without limitation, details of any 
ministers, ministerial staff or APS staff who attended.
4. Can an itemised list be provided for:
a. any food served; and,
b. any beverages served, including the names and vintages of any wines or
champagnes.
5. Were any catering services procured for the purposes of the event, for example waiters, 
kitchenhands, or cleaning staff; if so, can full details be provided.
6. Was any entertainment provided at the event; if so, can full details be provided.
7. Was any audio visual equipment or were any services procured for the purposes of the 
event; if so, can full details be provided.
8. Were any decorations purchased for the purposes of the event; if so, can an itemised list 
be provided.
9. Can any photographs of the event be provided.
10. Can copies of any presentations delivered at the event be provided.
Answer
The Minister representing the Minister for Defence has provided the following answer to the 
Senator’s question:
Please see attached.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Barbara Courtney
Name: Justine Greig
Position: Head of Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide Taskforce
Group: Defence People Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d) / s22
 
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PDR No: SB23-000434
Last updated: 17 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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Prevent recurrence: build the best possible organisation for the future, 
comprehensively understanding and addressing the root causes of the failures 
and wrongdoing; and developing the systems, culture and accountability which 
will prevent, promptly detect and respond to departures from required 
standards.

To deliver on these objectives, the Reform Program is addressing specific Inquiry 
recommendations and leveraging existing reform to implement Inquiry-related 
initiatives.

Objective 1 (address the past) is being delivered through three work packages:

Work Package 1 is addressing the 103 recommendations regarding individuals. 

Work Package 2 gives consideration to additional workforce management action.

Work Package 3 is addressing the 15 recommendations regarding compensation.

Objective 2 (prevent recurrence) will be delivered through a fourth work package.

Work Package 4 is focused on transformational reform through which 25 Inquiry 
recommendations are being addressed, and comprises five reform streams:

Organisational Arrangements and Command Accountability, Culture, 
Workforce, Partnerships and Information. 

Work completed to date includes:

addressing accountability for integrity in operational reporting; 

introduction of training on individual responsibility for reporting breaches of the 
Law of Armed Conflict; 

updates to ADF and APS annual reporting processes; 

delivery of military ethics and ADF leadership doctrines; and 

the introduction and publication of interim respite policy in the Military Personnel 
Manual.

Ongoing work includes:

command accountability; 

development of end-to-end cross-cultural awareness education and training; 

development of vignettes on case studies that highlight the consequences of 
failure in leadership, ethical drift, exceptionalism and the difficulties resisting 
prevailing organisational culture; 

establishment of an alternative safe and confidential reporting process for 
allegations of serious operational incidents; 

review of the Law of Armed Conflict manual including consideration of the 
protection of civilians; and
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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review of the framework, policies and processes for the management of 
embedded military personnel in coalition forces. 

A full list of work completed and in progress is available on the ‘Defence Response’ 
page of the Afghanistan Inquiry website at: 
https://www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/afghanistan-inquiry/defence-
response.
Criminal Investigations

All Inquiry recommendations for criminal investigation have been referred to the Office 
of the Special Investigator through the provision of the Afghanistan Inquiry report to 
the Office of the Special Investigator Special Counsel.

Criminal investigations and any potential prosecutions are being conducted 
independently of Defence by, the Australian Federal Police and the Commonwealth 
Director of Public Prosecutions. 
Handling Note: Any further questions should be referred to the Office of the Special 
Investigator within the Attorney-General’s portfolio.

Defence supports the work of the Office of the Special Investigator through the 
provision of records in response to requests for information; and subject matter expert 
advice to ensure accuracy in the interpretation of Defence related information.

Defence is aware a former member of the ADF has been charged with one count of 
War Crime – Murder, under subsection 268.70(1) Criminal Code 1995 (Cth), by the 
Office of the Special Investigator and Australian Federal Police. 

On Tuesday 28 March 2023 the individual was granted bail and a non-publication order 
was made over their address and locality, but not granted in relation to their name or 
that of their partner.

As the matter is the subject of ongoing criminal proceedings, it would be inappropriate 
to comment further.
Can you provide any details about the individual who has been charged?

No. Individual details will not be discussed. 
What identity protections are available for former members of the Special Air Services 
Regiment?

Defence Protected Identity status, is a Defence policy afforded to some current serving 
ADF members to protect current sensitive Defence capabilities and effects, our 
operations, the partners we operate with, and to safeguard the security of individuals 
and their families.

Defence Protected Identity status applies to current serving members of Special 
Operations Command and Special Forces qualified members who are likely to return to 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Phone: s47E(d)
/ s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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a position within Special Operations Command. Former members of the ADF are not 
covered by this policy. Neither are personnel within Special Operations Command who 
hold public facing positions (for example Special Operations Commander Australia).
Is the United Kingdom conducting an inquiry into allegations of Special Air Services 
extrajudicial killings in Afghanistan and what support is Australia providing? 

Defence is aware that the United Kingdom has launched an independent inquiry to 
investigate allegations of extrajudicial killings by British Armed Forces in Afghanistan. 

Any questions on this matter should be directed to the United Kingdom Government. 
Compensation and Command Accountability

Handling Note: Information regarding compensation and command accountability is 
available at: SB23-000435 - Afghanistan Inquiry – Compensation and Command 
Accountability.
Background 

Defence commissioned the Afghanistan Inquiry in 2016 after rumours and allegations 
emerged relating to possible breaches of the Law of Armed Conflict by members of the 
Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan over the period 2005 to 2016. 

The Inquiry was conducted at arm’s length from both the ADF chain-of-command and 
Government to ensure the independence and integrity of what are well-established 
and rigorous processes. The Inquiry was conducted in private because it involved 
matters of operational security and protected identities, as well as to protect witnesses 
and lines of inquiry. 

The Chief of the Defence Force received the Afghanistan Inquiry report from 
the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force on 06 November 2020, and 
announced the findings and released a public version of the report on 
19 November 2020.

The Inquiry considered in detail 57 allegations of incidents and issues, and found 
credible information to substantiate the alleged unlawful killings of 39 individuals in 
23 separate incidents. The Inquiry also found credible information to substantiate two 
allegations of cruel treatment.

The Inquiry made extensive use of statutory notice powers to compel individuals to 
answer questions and produce documents in relation to matters subject of the Inquiry. 

The notice powers are accompanied by statutory protections which make the 
evidence inadmissible in the civil or criminal proceedings against an individual if it 
is evidence of, or derived from, disclosure compelled from that individual. 

To help protect the integrity of investigations and any future prosecutions 
(should they arise) the Office of the Special Investigator has established a 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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administrative action and honours and awards. Documents were released on 
28 March 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 29 November 2022, the Foreign Minister responded to questions from Senator 
Jacqui Lambie regarding the scope of Defence’s review of command accountability, and 
the reported ‘blanket exemption’ of senior leaders.

On 28 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to questions from the 
Shadow Minister for Defence during Question Time regarding the scope of Defence’s 
review of command accountability, specifically the types of honours and the ranks of 
impacted personnel.
Relevant Media Reporting 
Criminal Investigations

Australian media has reported extensively on the individual charged with War Crime - 
Murder. Key reporting includes The Australian, The Guardian Australia, ABC News and 
Fairfax Media.

A joint Office of the Special Investigator and Australian Federal Police media release 
announcing the first charge is available. 

International reporting included Reuters and 24/7 News Around the World.
Reform

On 06 December 2022, Crikey published an article titled, Richard Marles’ action on the 
Brereton report may raise Australia’s global standing. Journalist Maeve McGregor 
wrote it has become clear the Albanese Government has resolved to “jettison Scott 
Morrison’s slow and politicised response” to parts of the Afghanistan Inquiry report.

On 11 November 2022, Nine aired a documentary titled, “The Home Front.” Professor 
John Blaxland said Chief of the Defence Force tried to implement the 
recommendations of the Afghanistan Inquiry but was “gazumped by his political 
masters”. The documentary also noted the “devastating impact” the findings of the 
Inquiry had on the morale of ADF members and veterans. 

On 29 September 2022, the Guardian Australia published an article titled, Defence 
officials call for ‘deep reform’ to counter perceptions of inaction on Brereton inquiry. 
Reporter Daniel Hurst stated, despite war crimes inquiry saying commanders ‘must 
bear’ responsibility for what happened on their watch, the previous Government 
suspended punishment against them

On 03 July 2022, The Guardian Australia published an interview with Richard Marles, 
‘History will judge us’: Richard Marles commits to defence reform after Afghan war 
crimes inquiry. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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Division:
Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000434
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Rear Admiral Brett Wolski, Head Afghanistan  Rear Admiral Brett Wolski, Head Afghanistan 
Inquiry Response Task Force
Inquiry Response Task Force
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 5 April 2023
Date: 5 April 2023
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 6 April 2023  
Vice Admiral David Johnston, Vice Chief of the Defence 
Force
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Supplementary Budget Estimates 23 February 2023

Awards
Senator Jacqui Lambie
Question
Chief of Defence Force’s Distinguished Service Cross 
1. Would the Department please provide a copy of the nomination (including the citation) for 
the Chief of Defence Forces’ (Angus J Campbell) Distinguished Service Cross. 
2. Would the Department please provide a copy of the decision (including the agreed 
citation) to award the Chief of Defence Force (Angus J Campbell) his Distinguished Service 
Cross.  
Chief of Defence Force’s letter to service personnel who received various awards in 
Afghanistan. 
1. Would the Department please provide a copy of all letters sent by the Chief of Defence 
Force (General Angus J Campbell), on or around 2nd November 2022, to recipients of awards 
for their command in Afghanistan. 
a. Specifically, these are letters that ask the recipient to consider retention or 
cancellation of their award in light of the Brereton Report. 
2. Would the Department please also provide a copy of the two annexes provided with each 
letter. 
a. Specifically, the ‘Acknowledgement’, and the ‘Welfare’ attachments.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
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Answer
Chief of the Defence Force’s Distinguished Service Cross
1. Nominations for military honours are handled in confidence. 
2. The agreed citation is publically available at 
https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20130404134324/http://www.gg.gov.au/queens-
birthday-2012-honours-lists.
Chief of the Defence Force’s letter to service personnel who received various awards in 
Afghanistan:
1a-2a. As the consideration of command accountability is ongoing, and to protect the privacy 
and support the welfare of our people, Defence will not provide this information.
Senate Question on Notice 16 December 2022
Brereton Report Implementation
Senator David Shoebridge
Question
1. Separate from the process being undertaken by the Office of the Special Investigator (OSI) , 
what measures have been taken in relation to the 25 current or former Australian special 
forces personnel who, according to the Brereton Report, were implicated in the alleged 
unlawful killing of 39 individuals and the cruel treatment of two others:
a. has any administrative or other action been taken against these 25 individuals, or any 
other individuals in relation to allegations of war crimes; and
b. have any citations, medals or awards been revoked in regards all or any of these 25 
individuals; if so, please provide details.
2. Separate from the process being undertaken by the OSI, what other measures have been 
taken to address the recommendations in the Brereton Report.
3. Does the Government still maintain that responsibility and accountability for the alleged 
war crimes does not extend to higher headquarters, including in particular Headquarters 
Joint Task Force 633 and Headquarters Joint Operations Command.
4. If the answer to 3 is yes, has there been any accountability or other measures taken in 
relation to senior staff at Headquarters Joint Task Force 633 or Headquarters Joint 
Operations Command; if so what action.
5. What cultural reforms have been made to the ADF to implement the recommendations of 
the Brereton Report.
Answer
1a. All allegations of unlawful killings have been referred to the Office of the Special 
Investigator (OSI) through the provision of the Afghanistan Inquiry report to the OSI Special 
Counsel.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
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Criminal investigations and any potential prosecutions are being conducted independently of 
Defence.
In late 2020, following the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report, Army initiated 
administrative action, inclusive of a notice to show cause, for termination of service against 
17 serving individuals where alleged failure to meet ADF expectations and values was 
identified. 
The decision-maker determined each notice on a case-by-case basis and all members were 
afforded due process. Army informed each member (or their legal representative) of the 
outcome of their notice. 
By 14 February 2022, administrative action for all 17 members was completed. 
The decisions made in relation to the administrative action were independent of any 
consideration of criminal liability. Professional misconduct does not pre-suppose criminal 
misconduct.
b. No citations, medals or awards have been revoked in regards to any of these 25 
individuals. However, Defence notes that a process is currently underway to review 
command accountability and associated awards. 
2. Since the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report in November 2020, Defence has 
undertaken a substantial body of work to address the Inspector-General’s findings and 
recommendations and embed genuine, enduring and sustainable reform across the 
enterprise.
On 30 July 2021 Defence released the Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Plan (the Reform Plan) 
setting out the Defence strategy for responding to the Inquiry and establishing the 
Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Program (the Reform Program) to coordinate and drive this work.
Defence has implemented the required action to close 103 of the 143 Inquiry 
recommendations. The Minister for Defence has directed the Chief of the Defence Force to 
come up with a plan to close off the remaining recommendations.
Further information on Defence’s response, including a list of work completed and in 
progress, is available at: https://www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/afghanistan-
inquiry/defence-response 
3. ADF commanders at all levels have a responsibility for ensuring forces under their 
command and control comply with the Law of Armed Conflict and Rules of Engagement.
Command accountability can exist regardless of individual criminal liability. Command 
accountability holds commanders accountable for the actions of their subordinates.
The Afghanistan Inquiry found commanders bear moral responsibility and accountability for 
what happens under their command, and recommended the review of honours and awards 
to commanders.
The Chief of the Defence Force (CDF) is considering the command accountability of current 
and former serving ADF members who held command positions, at a range of ranks, during 
the periods for which the Inspector-General found multiple incidents of alleged unlawful 
conduct. Persons who held command positions, irrespective of rank, are being considered in 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
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a consistent manner. These considerations apply to a small group only and any impacted 
personnel have a right of reply.
As the consideration of command accountability is ongoing, and to protect the privacy and 
support the welfare of our people, Defence is not in a position to provide further information 
about specifics at this time.
4. Refer to response to question three. 
5. The Reform Program has two objectives: to address the past and to prevent recurrence. 
There is a considerable amount of cultural reform work underway, details of which are 
available at: https://www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/afghanistan-
inquiry/defence-response. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
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Talking Points
Compensation

The Afghanistan Inquiry report made 15 recommendations to pay compensation to 
alleged victims or their families where there is credible evidence of property damage, 
assault and unlawful killing, without awaiting the establishment of criminal liability.

Defence has been working with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the 
Department of Finance, the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and the 
Attorney-General’s Department, among others, to explore options to give effect to the 
recommendations.

No feasible options for making payments have been identified so far, but Defence 
continues to work with Commonwealth agencies to explore options to give effect to 
the recommendations.

Defence, via the Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Program, originally aimed to finalise the 
compensation recommendations by June 2021. Due to the complexities identified, 
progress against the recommendations remain ongoing. Defence continues to work on 
a pathway to resolution.
If pressed: What are the legal, practical and logistical issues with making payment?

The issue of compensation is complex and comes with a number of legal, practical 
and logistical issues due to the ongoing geopolitical situation in Afghanistan. These 
include:

lack of Australian diplomatic presence in Afghanistan;

difficulties with getting funds into Afghanistan in light of the liquidity crisis and 
problems with the banking sector;

sanctions and policy limitations applicable to any engagement with the Taliban; 
and

it is not safe or practicable to identify and locate individuals to whom 
compensation recommendations relate (noting the Report did not provide 
sufficient identifying details).
Command Accountability
What recommendation from the Afghanistan Inquiry is being implemented?

The Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force Afghanistan Inquiry 
recommended the award of decorations to those in command positions at troop, 
squadron and task group level during particular Special Operations Task Group 
rotations be reviewed. 

The Inspector-General found credible information that unlawful killings and other 
serious unlawful misconduct occurred during the period 2005 to 2016. Alleged 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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incidents occurred in 2009 and 2010, with the majority occurring in the latter years of 
2012 and 2013. 
Has action been taken against those who held command positions?

The CDF has considered the command accountability of current and former serving 
ADF members who held command positions during the periods in which the Inspector-
General of the ADF found credible information of multiple incidents of alleged unlawful 
conduct as identified in the Afghanistan Inquiry report.

Persons who held command positions during these periods, irrespective of rank, 
have been considered in a consistent manner. These considerations applied to a 
small group only. All were given the opportunity to respond during the process.

The CDF has provided the relevant material to the Deputy Prime Minister for 
consideration. 

This concludes the CDF’s involvement in this process. 

Should the Deputy Prime Minister agree that an honour or award be cancelled, the 
Deputy Prime Minister will make a recommendation as such to the Governor-General 
for his determination. 
What is the process for cancelling honours and awards? 

A Defence honour may only be cancelled by the Governor-General. 

Should the Chief of the Defence Force determine that a member or former member of 
the ADF is no longer eligible for, or should no longer be entitled to be recognised by, a 
particular honour, the Chief of the Defence Force will request the Deputy Prime 
Minister make a recommendation to the Governor-General to cancel that honour. 

The determination that an ADF member or former member is no longer eligible 
for, or should no longer be entitled to be recognised by, the honour includes the 
provision of a notice of the intent to do so and the provision of a right of reply to 
the individual. 

Should the Deputy Prime Minister agree to make a recommendation to the 
Governor-General, the Governor-General will consider the matter to determine if the 
honour should be cancelled.

If the Governor-General decides to cancel the honour, it is announced in the Gazette 
in the Federal Register of Legislation.
Why is administrative action for command accountability occurring now?

In June 2021, the then-Minister for Defence wrote to the Chief of the Defence 
Force directing him to suspend any consideration of administrative action in 
relation to personnel who held command positions in the period within the scope 
of the Afghanistan Inquiry (2005 to 2016). 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Consequently, the CDF suspended his consideration of administrative action 
relating to command accountability at that time.   

The current Government confirmed Defence may recommence action for 
command accountability. 

Accordingly, the CDF recommenced his consideration of administrative action for 
command accountability related to the Afghanistan Inquiry.
Does command accountability and responsibility extend to higher Headquarters, such as 
Headquarters Joint Task Force 633 or Headquarters Joint Operations Command?

ADF commanders at all levels have a responsibility for ensuring forces under their 
command and control comply with the Law of Armed Conflict and Rules of 
Engagement.

Command accountability can exist regardless of individual criminal liability. Command 
accountability holds commanders accountable for the actions of their subordinates.
If the Chief of the Defence Force is only considering administrative action for command 
accountability now, what was the administrative action taken against Army members 
following the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report?

Administrative action may be taken under the Defence Act 1903 or the Defence 
Regulation 2016 against individuals whose conduct, performance or standards are 
unsatisfactory or whose actions or behaviour have adversely impacted, or are likely to 
impact, the efficiency, reputation or operational effectiveness of the ADF.

Administrative action can include termination of service, censure, reduction in 
rank, formal warning or formal counselling. Administrative action may also 
include the review of honours and awards. 

The threshold for administrative action is less than that required under criminal 
law. A member does not need to be found guilty of an offence before 
administrative action can be taken against them.

Following the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report in November 2020, Army 
initiated administrative action for involuntary separation of 17 members where 
alleged failure to meet ADF expectations and values was identified. 

This action was taken with regard to allegations of individual misconduct, not 
command accountability.

Army suspended such action for personnel medically discharged, and completed 
action for all others.
What is the difference between command accountability and criminal responsibility?

ADF commanders at all levels have a legal responsibility for ensuring forces under 
their command and control comply with the Law of Armed Conflict and Rules of 
Engagement. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
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Commanders can be held criminally responsible for, among other things, being 
directly or indirectly or knowingly concerned in or party to the commission of a war 
crime. 

Separate from criminal responsibility, command accountability can exist regardless of 
individual criminal liability. Command accountability holds commanders accountable 
for the actions of their subordinates and is described in Defence doctrine such as the 
ADF Command and Control Manual and Leadership Doctrine.

Administrative action may be considered where it is found that a commander is 
morally responsible for the actions of their subordinates, regardless of the 
commander’s involvement in the specific acts.

With respect to the Afghanistan Inquiry, the Inspector-General found alleged criminal 
behaviour was ‘conceived, committed, continued and concealed’ at patrol 
commander level.

The Inquiry also found, above patrol commander level, commanders did not know and 
were not recklessly indifferent to whether their subordinates were allegedly 
committing war crimes, and did not fail to take reasonable steps to discover the 
behaviour.

Nonetheless, the Inquiry found commanders bear moral responsibility and 
accountability for what happened under their command, and recommended the 
review of honours and awards to commanders.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Senate Estimates (23 February 2023)

QoN 43, Honours and Awards, Senator Jacqui Lambie (Jacqui Lambie Network, 
Tasmania) asked for a copy of Chief of the Defence Force’s Distinguished Service Cross 
nomination and citation, and Chief of the Defence Force’s letters to personnel subject 
to command accountability considerations.
Senate: (16 December 2022)

QoN 1140, Brereton Report Implementation, Senator David Shoebridge (Greens, New 
South Wales) asked a series of questions about the implementation of 
recommendations arising from the Afghanistan Inquiry, and action taken by Defence 
against alleged perpetrators of war crimes. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
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Command Accountability

Australian media has reported extensively on command accountability.

On 24 May 2023 ABC News published an article titled, Australian Defence Force chief 
Angus Campbell renews calls to strip medals from Afghanistan war veterans. Journalist 
Andrew Greene wrote that the CDF has written to a small number of individuals 
informing them that his consideration of command accountability is now closed and 
the recommendation regarding the cancellation of honours and awards has been 
referred to the Deputy Prime Minister. 

On 10 December 2022 News Corp Publications published an article titled, ADF faces 
legal battle over alleged ‘war crimes’ medals. Journalist Charles Miranda wrote that 
veterans have sought legal advice over administrative action for command 
accountability.

On 1 December 2022 ABC News published an in an in-depth article titled, Elite soldiers 
blast Defence chief Angus Campbell over handling of Afghanistan war crimes report. 
Journalist Andrew Greene wrote that Special Forces associations and the RSL said 
penalties linked to the Afghanistan Inquiry should be delayed until the results of 
investigations and finalisation of legal processes. 

Division:
Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
PDR No: 
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Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Rear Admiral Bret Wolski, Head Afghanistan  Rear Admiral Bret Wolski, Head Afghanistan 
Inquiry response Task Force
Inquiry response Task Force
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 5 April 2023
Date: 5 April 2023
Consultation:  
Date:  4 April 2023  
s47E(d)
 Director Office of the Chief 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
 
Counsel
Cleared by
Adrian D’Amico, Chief Defence Counsel
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
 
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 6 April 2023  
Vice Admiral, David Johnston, Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Supplementary Budget Estimates 23 February 2023

Awards
Senator Jacqui Lambie
Question
1. Would the Department please provide a copy of the nomination (including the citation) for
the Chief of Defence Forces’ (Angus J Campbell) Distinguished Service Cross.
2. Would the Department please provide a copy of the decision (including the agreed
citation) to award the Chief of Defence Force (Angus J Campbell) his Distinguished Service
Cross.
Chief of Defence Forces’ letter to service personnel who received various awards in 
Afghanistan. 
1. Would the Department please provide a copy of all letters sent by the Chief of Defence
Force (General Angus J Campbell), on or around 2nd November 2022, to recipients of awards
for their command in Afghanistan.
a. Specifically, these are letters that ask the recipient to consider retention or
cancellation of their award in light of the Brereton Report.
2. Would the Department please also provide a copy of the two annexes provided with each
letter.
a. Specifically, the ‘Acknowledgement’, and the ‘Welfare’ attachments.
Answer
Chief of the Defence Forces’ Distinguished Service Cross
1. Nominations for military honours are handled in confidence.
2. The agreed citation is publically available at
https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20130404134324/http://www.gg.gov.au/queens-
birthday-2012-honours-lists.
Chief of the Defence Force’s letter to service personnel who received various awards in 
Afghanistan
1a-2a. As the consideration of command accountability is ongoing, and to protect the privacy 
and support the welfare of our people, Defence will not provide this information.
Senate Question on Notice 16 December 2022
Brereton Report Implementation
Senator David Shoebridge
Question
1. Separate from the process being undertaken by the Office of the Special Investigator (OSI) ,
what measures have been taken in relation to the 25 current or former Australian special
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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forces personnel who, according to the Brereton Report, were implicated in the alleged 
unlawful killing of 39 individuals and the cruel treatment of two others:
a. has any administrative or other action been taken against these 25 individuals, or any 
other individuals in relation to allegations of war crimes; and
b. have any citations, medals or awards been revoked in regards all or any of these 25 
individuals; if so, please provide details.
2. Separate from the process being undertaken by the OSI, what other measures have been 
taken to address the recommendations in the Brereton Report.
3. Does the Government still maintain that responsibility and accountability for the alleged 
war crimes does not extend to higher headquarters, including in particular Headquarters 
Joint Task Force 633 and Headquarters Joint Operations Command.
4. If the answer to 3 is yes, has there been any accountability or other measures taken in 
relation to senior staff at Headquarters Joint Task Force 633 or Headquarters Joint 
Operations Command; if so what action.
5. What cultural reforms have been made to the ADF to implement the recommendations of 
the Brereton Report.
Answer
1a. All allegations of unlawful killings have been referred to the Office of the Special 
Investigator (OSI) through the provision of the Afghanistan Inquiry report to the OSI Special 
Counsel.
Criminal investigations and any potential prosecutions are being conducted independently of 
Defence.
In late 2020, following the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report, Army initiated 
administrative action, inclusive of a notice to show cause, for termination of service against 
17 serving individuals where alleged failure to meet ADF expectations and values was 
identified. 
The decision-maker determined each notice on a case-by-case basis and all members were 
afforded due process. Army informed each member (or their legal representative) of the 
outcome of their notice. 
By 14 February 2022, administrative action for all 17 members was completed. 
The decisions made in relation to the administrative action were independent of any 
consideration of criminal liability. Professional misconduct does not pre-suppose criminal 
misconduct.
b. No citations, medals or awards have been revoked in regards to any of these 25 
individuals. However, Defence notes that a process is currently underway to review 
command accountability and associated awards. 
2. Since the release of the Afghanistan Inquiry report in November 2020, Defence has 
undertaken a substantial body of work to address the Inspector-General’s findings and 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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recommendations and embed genuine, enduring and sustainable reform across the 
enterprise.
On 30 July 2021 Defence released the Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Plan (the Reform Plan) 
setting out the Defence strategy for responding to the Inquiry and establishing the 
Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Program (the Reform Program) to coordinate and drive this work.
Defence has implemented the required action to close 103 of the 143 Inquiry 
recommendations. The Minister for Defence has directed the Chief of the Defence Force to 
come up with a plan to close off the remaining recommendations.
Further information on Defence’s response, including a list of work completed and in 
progress, is available at: https://www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/afghanistan-
inquiry/defence-response 
3. ADF commanders at all levels have a responsibility for ensuring forces under their 
command and control comply with the Law of Armed Conflict and Rules of Engagement.
Command accountability can exist regardless of individual criminal liability. Command 
accountability holds commanders accountable for the actions of their subordinates.
The Afghanistan Inquiry found commanders bear moral responsibility and accountability for 
what happens under their command, and recommended the review of honours and awards 
to commanders.
The Chief of the Defence Force (CDF) is considering the command accountability of current 
and former serving ADF members who held command positions, at a range of ranks, during 
the periods for which the Inspector-General found multiple incidents of alleged unlawful 
conduct. Persons who held command positions, irrespective of rank, are being considered in 
a consistent manner. These considerations apply to a small group only and any impacted 
personnel have a right of reply.
As the consideration of command accountability is ongoing, and to protect the privacy and 
support the welfare of our people, Defence is not in a position to provide further information 
about specifics at this time.
4. Refer to response to question three. 
5. The Reform Program has two objectives: to address the past and to prevent recurrence. 
There is a considerable amount of cultural reform work underway, details of which are 
available at: https://www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/afghanistan-
inquiry/defence-response. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Rear Admiral Brett Wolski
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Afghanistan Inquiry Response Task Force
Division: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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[NB: Dr Thom’s final report and the Government response may be publicly available on 31 
May 2023]
If pressed: What does the Report say?
 A number of the concerns raised during the Senate Reference Committee Inquiry into 
Australia’s Engagement in Afghanistan are borne out in Dr Thom’s report, including:

Historical inconsistencies in the application of the program, irregularities in 
decision making, poor administration and communication with applicants, and 
prolonged processing times.
If pressed: What recommendations did the Report make?
 The Report makes seven recommendations to improve the design and delivery of the 
current Afghan LEE program.

The Report provides a recommendation with nine design principles for future LEE 
programs. 
If pressed: What is the Government doing in response to the Report?
 Addressing the Report’s recommendations is a priority for the Government.

The Government is carefully considering the recommendations and will publish 
its response shortly.
 Defence is staffing up a team to process remaining Afghan LEE applications, and be ready 
to implement the Government response to Dr Thom’s recommendations. 
If pressed: How is Defence protecting LEE left in Afghanistan?

We hold the Taliban responsible for any actions targeting individuals due to their 
perceived or real links to Coalition forces.

The Australian Government is committed to helping those who helped us. 

The LEE visa program remains open and Defence continues to assess any LEE 
applications received.
Senate References Committee Inquiry into Australia’s engagement in Afghanistan
 The Senate referred Australia’s engagement in Afghanistan to the Foreign Affairs, 
Defence and Trade References Committee for inquiry on 26 August 2021. 

The interim report was released on 21 January 2022. 

The final report was released on 5 April 2022.
 The Government has acted on the Inquiry’s recommendation to review the operation of 
the Afghan LEE program.
 The Government is finalising its response to the interim and final reports.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Tom Menadue
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Global Partners
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: International Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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[NB: the Government response to the Senate References Committee's interim and final 
reports may be publicly available on 31 May 2023]
If pressed: The August 2021 evacuations out of Kabul 

The Australian Government facilitated the evacuation of around 4,100 people on 32 
flights from Kabul, including Defence LEE and their families from 18 to 26 August 2021.
If pressed: How many Afghan LEE were able to access subclass 449 emergency humanitarian 
visas during the evacuations out of Kabul?

Defence has no visibility of Home Affairs visa processes and cannot comment on how 
many visas were issued.

During the Kabul evacuation, Defence provided Home Affairs with the verified names of 
655 vulnerable Afghans with a connection to Defence for emergency humanitarian 
visas (subclass 449 visa). 

The majority of these were ADF members’ immediate and extended family, and 
were not LEE or LEE related. 
If pressed: Why didn’t Defence evacuate LEE sooner? 

Australian visa holders, including LEE, were able to leave Afghanistan using commercial 
flights up until 15 August 2021.

At that point, the Government took the decision to accelerate the expatriation of 
Australians and Australian visa holders through the US-led evacuation operation. 

Once the operation had begun, it was necessary to wait until US and UK enablers were 
on the ground before our airlift operations could begin.

From 18 to 26 August 2021, as part of the US-led operation, the Australian Government 
facilitated the evacuation of around 4,100 people on 32 flights.
Background 
Afghan Locally Engaged Employee Program

 Since 2013, Australia has offered prioritised access to humanitarian visas to eligible 
Afghan LEE at risk of harm due to their employment in support of Australia’s mission in 
Afghanistan.
 Certification provides LEE and their direct family members prioritised access to 
humanitarian visas, but does not guarantee a visa. 
 The Australian Federal Police, Department of Defence and the Department of Foreign 
Affairs and Trade assess applications for certification and refer them to the relevant 
Minister for consideration, in accordance with the Migration Regulations 1994 (Cth) 
under legislative instrument IMMI 12/127.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Tom Menadue
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Global Partners
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: International Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
/ s22
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 Assessments are based on factors including employment with DFAT, the Australian 
Defence Force, the Australian Agency for International Development or the AFP and their 
risk of harm due to their employment with an Australian Government agency. Each 
application for certification is considered by the relevant Minister on a case-by-case basis.
 Once certified, an applicant submits a visa application to the Department of Home Affairs. 
Home Affairs processes the visa application, including assessment against health, 
character and national security requirements. Family members included in the application 
are considered for the same type of visa.
 According to Home Affairs, more than 2,300 Afghans, have arrived in Australia under the 
Afghan Locally Engaged Employee program since 2013, including AFP, Department of 
Foreign Affairs and Trade and Defence locally engaged Employee and their family.
 The Australian Government has allocated 26,500 dedicated places in the Humanitarian 
Program for Afghan nationals through to 2025-26. 
The Independent Whole-of-Government Review of Locally Engaged Employee Program
 The Afghan LEE review was led by Dr Vivienne Thom AM. Dr Thom was selected given her 
substantial experience on public inquiries and leading the Afghanistan Inquiry 
Implementation Oversight Panel. 
 Dr Thom engaged with Ministers and relevant whole-of-government and public 
stakeholders. Defence and ADF provided evidence to Dr Thom in support of her review, 
including then a/DEPSEC SP&I (Mr Hugh Jeffrey) and CJOPs (Major General Greg Bilton). 
 Dr Thom was provided access to Government records, including from Defence, from the 
life of the program.
 As directed by Government, Defence contributed to the costs of Dr Thom’s review. 
Senate Inquiry on Australia’s Engagement in Afghanistan
 The Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee inquiry into 
Australia’s engagement in Afghanistan held four public hearings (11 October 2021, 15 
November 2021, 2 February 2022 including DFAT, Defence, Home Affairs, and 8 
November 2021). 
 Defence witnesses on 11 October 2021 included CDF and then FASIP (Mr Hugh Jeffrey). 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Tom Menadue
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Global Partners
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: International Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments  

On 10 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, and 
the Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs, released a joint 
statement announcing an independent review into the Afghan Locally Engaged 
Employee program
Independent Review into the Afghan Locally Engaged Employee Program | Australian 
Minister for Foreign Affairs

On 15 August 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, and 
the Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs, released a joint 
statement commemorating the one year anniversary of the fall of Kabul.
Anniversary of the fall of Kabul | Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs 
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 16 March 2023, SBS News published an article titled, “Albanese government 
accused of abandoning visa processing for people in Afghanistan.” Journalist Finn 
McHugh reported on the Albanese government’s inaction when processing refugee 
applications from Afghans on 16 March 2023. 

On 12 December 2022 SBS News published article titled, “Adam is considered a ‘traitor’ 
for helping Australia. Now he’s in hiding and fears for his life.” Journalist Rashida 
Yosufzai reported about a former Afghan base worker found ineligible in the Afghan 
Locally Engaged Employee program.

On 15 August 2022 The Guardian Australia published an article titled, “Letters from 
those left behind: Afghans who worked for Australia describe desperation as they hide 
from Taliban.” Journalist Ben Doherty examined the hardships Afghan nationals face as 
they await Locally Engaged Employee certification and humanitarian visas.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Tom Menadue
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Global Partners
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: International Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Division:
International Policy Division
PDR No: 
SB23-0000469
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Tom Menadue, Assistant Secretary Global 
Samantha Higgins, Acting First Assistant 
Partners 
Secretary International Policy 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date:  11 May 2023
Date: 11 May 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date:  11 May 2023
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary 
Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Tom Menadue
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Global Partners
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: International Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000439
Last updated: 10 May 2023
     2023-24 Portfolio Budget Statements
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Steven Groves
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Talking Points

Defence’s 10-year funding model provides long-term funding certainty to deliver 
capability in line with the Defence Strategic Review.

The Government will provide Defence $50.1 billion in 2023-24 and $214.1 billion over 
the Forward Estimates.

Defence’s funding from 2022-23 to 2025-26 has increased by $664.2 million since the 
October 2022-23 Budget, including an increase of $245.8 million in 2023-24.

Table 2 in the PBS 2023-24 (shown below) provides a breakdown of the variation in 
Defence funding since the October 2022-23 Budget: 
Table 2: Defence 2023-24 Budget Measures
2023-24       2024-25       2025-26       2026-27       
Budget 
Forw ard 
Forw ard 
Forw ard 
Estim ate    Estim ate    Estim ate    Estim ate   
Total
Program
$m
$m
$m
$m
$m
Budget Measures
Paym ent Measures
Enhancing Pacific Engagement [a]
2.1
– 
– 
– 
– 
– 
Cyber Security - additional funding
2.11
3.9 
– 
– 
– 
3.9 
Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator [b]
2.13
– 
– 
– 
– 
– 
Adequate Funding for Oversight of our Intel igence Agencies [c]
2.14
-0.3 
-0.5 
-0.6 
-0.6 
-2.1 
Extension of the Defence Industry Pathw ays Program [d]
2.15
– 
– 
– 
– 
– 
Nuclear-Pow ered Submarine Program - initial implementation [e]
Various
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
Office of the Special Investigator Operations and Dow nstream Impacts 
Funding – extension [c]
Various
-63.0 
-66.4 
– 
– 
-129.4 
Securing a Unique and Critical Defence Capability [f]
Various
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
Recognising the Australian Defence Force’s Unique Service to the Nation [g]
Various
– 
– 
– 
– 
– 
Addi ional Assistance to Ukraine [h]
Various
– 
– 
– 
– 
– 
Total Departm ental Budget Measures
-59.4 
-66.9 
-0.6 
-0.6 
-127.6 
Other Departm ental Budget Adjustm ents
Operation ACCORDION [i]
1.2
117.1 
-0.0 
– 
– 
117.1 
Operation RESOLUTE
1.3
77.5 
– 
– 
– 
77.5 
Transfer of projects to the Australian Signals Directorate
2.9
-158.2
-224.7
-260.2
-120.7
-763.8
Savings from External Labour, and savings from Advertising, Travel and 
Legal Expenses
Various
-154.3 
-158.8 
-163.7 
-155.1 
-631.9
Foreign Exchange
Various
491.3 
541.4 
528.9 
503.7 
2,065.4 
Increased support for the Jaw un Program [j]
Various
-0.1 
-0.1 
– 
– 
-0.2 
Other Budget Adjustments [k]
Various
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
nfp
Other Adm inistered Budget Adjustm ents
Defence Home Ow nership Assistance Scheme
2.22
17.3 
26.8 
39.1 
53.8 
137.1 
Total Other Departm ental Budget Adjustm ents
373.3 
157.7 
105.0 
227.9 
863.9 
Total Other Adm inistered Budget Adjustm ents
17.3 
26.8 
39.1 
53.8 
137.1 
Total Other Budget Adjustm ents
390.6
184.6
144.1
281.7
1,001.0
Total Departm ental Funding
313.9
90.9
104.4
227.3
736.4
Total Adm inistered Funding
17.3 
26.8 
39.1 
53.8 
137.1 
Total Defence Funding
331.2
117.7
143.5
281.1
873.4
Notes
a. This measure provides $923 9 mil ion over the period 2023-24 to 2026-27 w hich is being absorbed by Defence.
b. This measure provides $748.4 mil ion over the period 2023-24 to 2026-27 w hich is being absorbed by Defence.
c. This measure is a transfer to the Attorney-General's Portfolio.
d. This measure provides $11.4 mil ion over the period 2023-24 to 2025-26 w hich is being absorbed by Defence.
e. This measure is a transfer to various agencies and is not for publication (nfp) due to commercial sensitivities.
f. This measure is a transfer to the Department of Finance and is not for publication (nfp) due to commercial sensitivities.
g. This measure provides $397.4 mil ion over the period 2023-24 to 2024-25 w hich is being absorbed by Defence.
h. This measure provides $189.6 mil ion over the period 2022-23 to 2023-24 w hich is being absorbed by Defence.
i. Budget estimates show n as 0.0 are amounts greater than $0 but less than $50,000.
j. This is a transfer to the National Indigenous Australians Agency and the Australian Public Service Commission.
k. This budget adjustment is not for publication (nfp) due to na ional security.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budgets and Financial Services
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Key witness: Steven Groves
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PBS 2023-24 Measures
Further information on Defence 2023-24 Budget measures are at Attachment A.
Major Defence Operations

The Government will provide $196.6 million in 2023-24 for Major Defence Operations 
under no-win/no-loss arrangements:

$118.0 million for Operation ACCORDIONand 

$77.5 million for Operation RESOLUTE.

The Government will also provide $37.4 million in 2022-23 for three new Major 
Defence Operations under no-win/no-loss arrangements:

$11.4 million for Operation VANUATU ASSIST; 

$13.8 million for Operation LILIA; and 

$12.2 million for Operation KUDU.
Background
Defence 2023-24 Budget Summary 

2023-24 Defence planned expenditure (exclusive of Australian Signals Directorate) 
includes:

$17.7 billion (34.6 per cent of the Defence budget) for capability acquisition:

$12.4 billion for military equipment;

$4.2 billion for facilities and infrastructure;

$0.9 billion for ICT; and

$0.2 billion for other capital equipment (such as minor military equipment 
and other plant and equipment).

$15.4 billion (30.1 per cent of the Defence budget) for sustainment:

$10.7 billion for military capability sustainment;

$3.0 billion for facilities sustainment;

$1.6 billion for ICT sustainment; and

$0.1 billion for other sustainment.

$14.9 billion (29.2 per cent of the Defence budget) for employees:

$XX billion for military employees;

$XX billion for civilian employees; and 

$XX billion for other employee costs (e.g. Comcare premium and 
recruitment).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budgets and Financial Services
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Key witness: Steven Groves
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$2.9 billion (5.7 per cent of the Defence budget) for operating activities and 
services including business travel and consumable items.

$0.2 billion for military Operations.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None. 
Recent Ministerial Comments 

Investing in Australia's national defence | Defence Ministers

Further investments to support veterans and families | Defence Ministers
Relevant Media Reporting 

Federal budget squirrels away $30bn to lift defence funding over decade | Australian budget 
2023 | The Guardian

Budget 2023: AUKUS submarine bill swells $4.5b as defence spending shoots past $50b 
(afr.com)
Division:
Budgets and Financial Services 
PDR No: 
SB23-000439
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Michael Cosgrove, Assistant Secretary, 
Sam Volker, First Assistant Secretary, 
Budgeting and Reporting
Budgets and Financial Services
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 06 April 2023
Consultation:  NA
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 10 May 2023  
Steven Groves, Chief Finance Officer.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budgeting and Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budgets and Financial Services
Group/Service: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Attachment 1
ATTACHMENT A
PBS 2023-24 Measures
Enhancing Pacific Engagement
This measure bolsters Australia’s competitiveness, security and relationships with the Pacific 
at a time of global uncertainty. Defence’s contribution to this measure will be met from 
within Defence’s existing resources. This comprises: 

Infrastructure Supplement for the maintenance and sustainment of Pacific 
security infrastructure projects largely impacted by COVID19 border restrictions 
and global supply chain disruptions. 

Pacific Maritime Security Program Supplement including ongoing support for 
ongoing maintenance and sustainment of the pacific maritime capability. 

Support for Regional Defence Forces to reinforce regional partnerships secure 
access and develop sovereign air transport and surveillance capabilities within the 
Pacific. This also includes the training of Pacific Defence force personnel to 
support their plans for growth, recruitment and training. 
Cyber Security – additional funding
This measure provides $3.9 million of new funding in 2023-24 to support the transition out of 
the Cyber Hubs program. This funding is for the decommissioning of cyber hubs services and 
off-boarding client entities.
Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator 
This measure provides $748.4 million over 2023-24 and the Forward Estimates period to 
2026-27 for the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator. This will establish a new 
research and development entity within Defence to fund pivotal research on breakthrough 
technologies for national security, bringing Australia in line with AUKUS partners.
The establishment of ASCA will significantly enhance Defence's ability to transition innovation 
into enhanced Defence capabilities at the urgency required by the strategic environment.
This measure will be funded by repurposing $591.0 million from the uncommitted 
components of the Defence Innovation Hub, the Next Generation Technology Fund and the 
Capability Acceleration Fund. A further $157.4 million will be absorbed from within Defence’s 
existing departmental resources.
Adequate Funding for Oversight of our Intelligence Agencies 
Defence to provide $2.1 million over 2023-24 and the Forward Estimates period to 2026-27 
to the Attorney-General’s Portfolio for oversight of intelligence agencies.

FOI 789/22/23 
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Attachment 1
Extension of the Defence Industry Pathways Program
Defence will absorb $11.4 million over three years to extend the Defence Industry Pathways 
Program within the shipbuilding sector of Western Australia. 
The program is a 12 month skills development program through which 150 participants (50 
participants per year). It will support the pipeline of talent into the defence shipbuilding and 
sustainment industry by providing participants with a broad understanding of the sector, and 
a pathway leading to the skills required by Australia’s defence industry in the future.
Nuclear-Powered Submarine Program – initial implementation
Defence to provide funding to a range of agencies to support the delivery of Nuclear 
Powered Submarines. Estimates for this measure are not for publication due to commercial 
sensitivities.
Office of the Special Investigator Operations and Downstream Impacts Funding – extension
Defence to provide $129.4 million over 2023-24 and 2024-25 to the Attorney-General’s 
Portfolio to fund work of the Office of the Special Investigator’s investigation and prosecution 
of potential war crimes in Afghanistan.
Securing a Unique and Critical Defence Capability
Defence to s47E(d)
 over 2023-24 and the Forward Estimates period to 2026-27 
to the Department of Finance to support the Government’s purchase of shares in CEA 
Technologies Pty Ltd. Estimates for this measure are not for publication due to commercial 
sensitivities.
Recognising the Australian Defence Force’s Unique Service to the Nation 
This measure provides $397.4 million over 2023-24 and 2024-25 for a Recruitment and 
Retention Package including:

$395.4 million over two years from 2023-24 to pilot a $50,000 continuation 
bonus to ADF members nearing the completion of the initial minimum period of 
service arrangements. Defence is funding this from within existing Departmental 
resources.

$2.0 million to undertake a housing feasibility review in 2023-24 to determine 
ways to reduce the housing burden on Australian Defence Force members. 
Defence is funding the review from within its existing Departmental resources

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Additional Assistance to Ukraine
This measure provides $189.6 million of military assistance to Ukraine from 2022-23 to 
2023-24 which includes provision of:
• 30 Bushmaster and associated transportation cost.
• 155-milimeter artillery ammunitions as a part of a joint initiative between France and 
Australia.
• unmanned aerial vehicle and associated support equipment.
• training to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Other Departmental Budget Adjustments
Operation ACCORDION
This is an increase to Defence funding of $117.1 million in 2023-24 to continue Operation 
ACCORDION. This funding will be provided on a no-win/no-loss basis. There is a slight 
decrease to Defence funding of $48,000 in 2024-25 for costs that are no longer required. 
Operation RESOLUTE
This is an increase to Defence funding of $77.5 million in 2023-24 to continue Operation 
RESOLUTE. This funding will be provided on a no-win/no-loss basis.
Transfer of projects to the Australian Signals Directorate
This is a transfer of $763.8 million to the Australian Signals Directorate over 2023-24 and the 
Forward Estimates period to 2026-27 for the transfer of approved projects from the 
Integrated Investment Program.
Savings from External Labour, and savings from Advertising, Travel and Legal Expenses
This is Defence’s contribution to a whole-of-government savings measure that will reduce 
Defence’s appropriation by $631.9 million over 2023-24 and the Forward Estimates period to 
2026-27 to achieve savings from external labour, advertising, travel and legal expenses. 
Foreign Exchange
This is an increase in funding of $491.3 million in 2023-24 and $2.1 billion over the Forward 
Estimates to 2026-27 due to a change in foreign exchange parameters. 
Increased support for the Jawun Program
This is a transfer of $0.2 million over 2023-24 and 2024-25 to the National Indigenous 
Australians Agency and the Australian Public Service Commission to provide increased 
support for the Jawun Program.
Other Departmental Budget Adjustments
There are a number of items included in Other Budget Adjustments. Total figures for this 
category are not for publication (NFP) due to national security reasons associated with some 
elements. 

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Administered Budget Adjustments
This is an administered budget adjustment providing $137.1 million over 2023-24 and the 
Forward Estimates period to 2026-27 for the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme 
(DHOAS), which assists current and former ADF members and their families to achieve home 
ownership. This increase is driven by a change in the economic parameters underpinning the 
DHOAS.
PAES 2022-23 Measures and Departmental Budget Adjustments
Australian Defence Force Deployments
Defence will receive $37.4 million in 2022-23 for three additional no-win/no-loss operations. 
$12.2 million for Operation KUDU, $13.8 million for Operation LILIA and $11.4 million for 
Operation VANUATU ASSIST 2023.
Operation KUDU
• Operation Kudu is the Australian Defence Force’s commitment to the training of 
Armed Forces of Ukraine recruits in the United Kingdom (UK).
• A contingent of up to 70 Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel are deployed on 
Operation KUDU to assist with the UK-led and based training program.
• The Australian contingent is working alongside partner nations as part of the UK-led 
training program to build additional capacity for Ukraine to defend their homeland 
and will focus on basic infantry tactics for urban and wooded environments.
Operation LILIA
• Operation LILIA is the Australian Defence Force’s contribution to supporting the 
Australian Government’s response of assisting the Solomon Islands Government to 
stabilise public unrest. 
• The ADF contributes to the Australian Government’s response in support of the Royal 
Solomon Islands Police Force to restore peace and stability in the Solomon Islands.
• Op LILIA has been declared as a Non-Warlike operation.
Operation VANUATU ASSIST
• Operation VANUATU ASSIST is the Australian Defence Force’s contribution to 
supporting the Australian Government’s response of best supporting the Ni-Vanuatu 
people impacted by Tropical Cyclone Judy and Tropical Cyclone Kevin.
• A contingent of a 600 person team has delivered more than 100 tonnes of 
humanitarian aid, including food, shelter and medical supplies to Vanuatu. 
• In addition to humanitarian aid, support to Vanuatu included hydrographic 
reconnaissance, route clearance, emergency medical evacuations, transport of local 
government officials, and clean-up and remediation of local infrastructure, including 
Vila Central Hospital, two schools and the Maternity and Child Health Clinic.
• Operation VANUATU ASSIST was ceased on 21 April 2023.



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Last updated: 10 May 2023
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Table 1: Defence Departmental Appropriation (including Australian Signals Directorate) 
2017-18 to 2021-22:
2017-18 
2018-19 
2019-20 
2020-21  
2021-22  
Actual $m
Actual $m
Actual $m
Actual $m
Actual $m
Defence 
(Including 
Australian Signals 
34,926.0
37,239.3
39,249.0
42,238.9
45,487.2
Directorate)
Table 2: Defence Departmental Appropriation (including Australian Signals Directorate) 
across the Forward Estimates (Portfolio Budget Statement 2023-24 price basis):
2022-23
2023-24
2024-25
2025-26
2026-27 
Estimated
Budget 
Budget 
Budget 
Previous 
Actual
Estimate
Estimate
Estimate
Estimate
$m
$m
$m
$m
$m
Defence
47,419.4
50,086.4
51,890.8
54,505.8
57,582.3
Australian Signals 
Directorate
1,711.8
2,472.4
2,523.3
2,304.4
2,233.7
Total
49,131.2
52,558.8
54,414.1
56,810.2
59,816.0
Table 3: Split of Defence spending by major category at 2023-24 Budget:
Acquisition
Sustainment
Workforce
Operating
Operations
Funding ($b)
17.7
15.4
14.9
2.9
0.2
% of Defence 
appropriation
34.6
30.1
29.2
5.7
0.4
Background 
Defence Budget as at Portfolio Budget Statement 2023-24
 The variation in Defence’s appropriation since the publication of the October Portfolio 
Budget Statement 2022-23 is primarily due to a change in foreign exchange parameters, 
delivery of election commitments, funding for new Budget measures and whole-of-
government savings.
 2023-24 Defence planned expenditure (exclusive of Australian Signals Directorate) as at 
the Portfolio Budget Statement 2023-24 includes:
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budget & Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budget and Financial Services 
Group: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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$17.7 billion (34.6 per cent of the Defence budget) for capability acquisition:

$12.4 billion for military equipment;

$4.2 billion for facilities and infrastructure;

$0.9 billion for ICT; and

$0.2 billion for other capital equipment (such as minor military equipment 
and other plant and equipment).

$15.4 billion (30.1 per cent of the Defence budget) for sustainment:

$10.7 billion for military capability sustainment;

$3.0 billion for facilities sustainment;

$1.6 billion for ICT sustainment; and

$0.1 billion for other sustainment.

$14.9 billion (29.2 per cent of the Defence budget) for employees:

$X.X billion for military employees;

$X.X billion for civilian employees; and 

$X.X billion for other employee costs (e.g. Comcare premium and 
recruitment).

$2.9 billion (5.7 per cent of the Defence budget) for operating activities and 
services including business travel and consumable items.

$0.2 billion (0.4 per cent of the Defence budget) for military Operations.
Defence Major Operations
 As part of our ongoing commitment to security and stability at home and around the 
globe, the Government continues to fund major operations. The estimated net additional 
cost of Major Operations in financial year 2023-24 is $196.6 million.
Delivering Capability in line with the Defence Strategic Review
 The Government is committed to increase Defence funding above its current trajectory 
over the medium term to implement the Defence Strategic Review, including the delivery 
of the conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarine program through AUKUS.
 In the 2023-24 Budget, the Australian Government will invest $19 billion dollars over the 
Forward Estimates to give effect to key priorities areas for immediate action highlighted 
in response to the Defence Strategic Review. 
Workforce

Table 4 details the size of the Defence APS workforce in 2018-19 to 2023-24 financial 
years.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budget & Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budget and Financial Services 
Group: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Table 4: Defence APS Workforce Achievement (as at 1 April 2023):
Average Staffing 
Average Staffing 
Level (ASL) 
Level (ASL)
Variation
Allocation
from Allocation
Achievement
2023-24
17,713
2022-231
16,991
16,307
(684)
2021-22
16,595
15,821
(774)
2020-21
16,313
16,454
141
2019-20
16,271
16,129
(142)
2018-19
16,373
15,925
(448)
Note 1: Year to Date Average Staffing Level as at 1 April 2023.
Defence Estate

The Defence Estate is the largest land holding of the Commonwealth Government with 
around 1,349 owned or leased buildings domestically and internationally.

Defence future investment into the Enterprise Estate and Infrastructure Program is 
approximately $43.3 billion from 2023-24 to 2032-33 financial years. 
Supporting Information 
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments  

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

None identified.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budget & Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budget and Financial Services 
Group: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Division:
Budgets & Financial Services
PDR No: 
SB23-000440
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Michael Cosgrove, Assistant Secretary 
Sam Volker, First Assistant Secretary 
Budgeting and Reporting Branch
Budgets and Financial Services
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 06 April 2023
Consultation:  NA
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 10 May 2023
Steven Groves, Chief Finance Officer
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Michael Cosgrove
Name: Steven Groves
Position: Assistant Secretary Budget & Reporting
Position: Chief Finance Officer
Division: Budget and Financial Services 
Group: Defence Finance Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000642
Last updated: 12 May 2023 
            Sudan
 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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Summary of Defence support

On 30 April 2023, the Australian Government deployed two Royal Australian Air Force 
C-130J Hercules transport aircraft to the region as a contingency, should additional air 
capacity be required to evacuate Australians and other nationals from Sudan. 

On 02 May 2023, Defence established Operation CARNELIAN in support of the 
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade–led, whole-of-government response to the 
crisis in Sudan.

On 02 and 04 May 2023, two Royal Australian Air Force C-130J Hercules contributed to 
the international evacuation efforts by safely evacuating 153 people. This comprised 
57 Australians and their family members, and 96 evacuees from other nations.

On Saturday 06 May, Defence completed its commitment to the Department of Foreign 
Affairs and Trade-led crisis response with no further Royal Australian Air Force flights 
planned.

As of 10 May 2023:

All ADF personnel have returned to Australia. Our flights were an important 
contribution to the international effort to help civilians flee the violence.

At least 257 Australians and their families have safely left Sudan by road, air and 
sea. 

At least 163 Australians and their family members are registered with the 
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade for consular assistance.

Given the deteriorating security environment in Sudan, and the intensive evacuation 
efforts, partner countries have wound down evacuation operations and their presence 
in Sudan.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade will continue to communicate directly 
with those who remain in Sudan and, where possible, assist with their departure if the 
conflict continues. 
What is the breakdown of the number of people on the two flights? 

On 02 May 2023, in coordination with partners, the Royal Australian Air Force flight 
uplifted 67 Australians and foreign nationals from Port Sudan to Cyprus, including: 

35 Australians and their family members, and

32 foreign nationals.

On 04 May 2023, in coordination with partners, the Royal Australian Air Force flight 
uplifted 86 Australians and foreign nationals from Port Sudan to Cyprus, including:

22 Australians and their family members, and  

64 foreign nationals.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments Division
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000642
Last updated: 12 May 2023 
            Sudan
 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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How many ADF personnel were deployed on Operation CARNELIAN? 

Approximately 70 ADF personnel were deployed to support Operation CARNELIAN.
Was the Royal Australian Air Force flight too little too late?

The focus of the Australian Government response was on the safety of our people and 
the safe departure of Australians and their families by air, land and sea through 
collaboration with international partners.

Defence worked closely with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to ensure 
ADF support was available should circumstance require it. 

Following a Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade request for additional lift support, 
ADF aircraft assisted the departure of Australians and others wishing to depart Sudan.

Collaboration with partners and our efforts ensured the safe departure of 153 people, 
including 57 Australians and their family members and 96 foreign nationals from other 
nations by air. 

The Royal Australian Air Force flights were an important contribution to the 
international effort to help civilians flee the violence.
Background 

On 15 April 2023, fierce fighting broke out between the Sudanese Armed Forces and 
the Rapid Support Forces, a paramilitary group which, until then, had been nominally 
operated by the Sudanese Government. 

The security situation rapidly deteriorated, isolating many foreign nationals and leaving 
them vulnerable to acts of violence.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade led the Australian Government response. 
It focused on the immediate safety of Australians in Sudan and the evacuation of those 
wishing to leave. 

In collaboration with international partners, the Department of Foreign Affairs and 
Trade worked to provide the safe departure of Australians and their families by air, land 
and sea.

During this time, Defence worked closely with the Department of Foreign Affairs and 
Trade to ensure ADF support was available should it be required. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

No QoNs asked. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments Division
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 12 May 2023 
            Sudan
 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 06 May 2023, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for International 
Development and the Pacific and the Assistant Minister for Foreign Affairs detailed a 
$6 million humanitarian assistance package in response to the conflict in Sudan.

On 03 May 2023, the Minister for Foreign Affairs confirmed on ABC AM the departure 
of Australians from Sudan via a RAAF C-130J Hercules.

On 03 May 2023, The Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs both 
publically commented on the evacuation of Australians and other nationals from Sudan 
via a RAAF aircraft. 
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 05 May 2023, the ABC reported more than 230 Australians evacuated so far from 
Sudan. 

On 04 May 2023, Mirage News reported ADF helps foreigners flee Sudan  with the ADF 
evacuating 67 Australian and foreign nationals from war-torn Sudan under 
Operation Carnelian.

On 03 May 2023, numerous outlets including Seven, Nine, Ten, ABC and SBS 
reported Australians evacuated to Cyprus from Sudan

On 03 May 2023, News Limited reported Dozens of Australians evacuated out of 
Sudan, but more remain as violence rages with Australians being evacuated out of 
“dangerous” Sudan overnight, as heavy fighting rages for the third week.

On 02 May 2023, the Epoch Times reported around 36 Australians Evacuated amid 
Sudan Civil Strife  as a Royal Australian Air Force aircraft rescues stranded Australians 
amid the fighting in Sudan.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments Division
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
/ s22
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Last updated: 12 May 2023 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: General Angus Campbell; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 58
Division:
Military Strategic Commitments 
PDR No: 
SB23-000642
Prepared by:
Cleared by Group/Service Head:
Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell,        
Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN 
Head Military Strategic Commitments
Vice Chief of the Defence Force  
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
  
Mob: s22
      Ph: s47E(d)
  
Date: 11 May 2023
Date:  12 May 2023
Consultation:  Director General Operations, 
Date: 11 May 2023
Headquarters Joint Operations Command
Mob:  s47E(d)
Name:  Commodore James Lybrand, RAN
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent 
Date: 12 May 2023 
Band 3/3*):
Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN 
Vice Chief of the Defence Force  
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments Division
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000441
Last updated: 25 May 23
Current ADF Operations
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 59
Due to the current security climate in Mali, ADF personnel have been temporarily removed 

pending a review of the mission arrangements.

Australia will consider the future of our contribution to the Multidimensional Integrated 
Stabilization Mission in Mali in 2023.
Op VANUATU ASSIST 23
Operation VANUATU ASSIST 23 was the ADF contribution to the Department of Foreign 

Affairs and Trade-led whole-of-government response in support of Vanuatu in the wake 
of Tropical Cyclones Judy and Kevin, which passed over the country on 1 and 3 March 
2023 respectively.

Operation VANUATU ASSIST 23 was established on 5 March 2023 and ceased on 
18 April 23.

Defence support included transport and distribution of humanitarian assistance, 
clean up and remediation of local infrastructure, aerial damage assessments and 
hydrographic surveys. 

At peak, support comprised more than 600 personnel, HMAS Canberra (including 
helicopters, engineering personnel, landing craft and amphibious vehicles) and 
fixed wing transport assistance.

Progress in recovery efforts enabled the return of HMAS Canberra on 27 March 2023, 
with an approximate 60 person engineering contingent providing additional support 
until 05 April.
Operation RESOLUTE 
Operation RESOLUTE is the ADF contribution to the whole-of-government effort to 

protect Australia’s borders and offshore maritime interests.
This includes illegal maritime arrivals, prohibited imports and exports, maritime 

terrorism, illegal exploitation of natural resources, compromises to biosecurity, illegal 
activities in protected areas, marine pollution and piracy, robbery and violence at sea.
Defence provides personnel (currently approximately 550 personnel) maritime assets, 

patrol aircraft and other capabilities in support of Operation RESOLUTE. 

These assets are assigned to the Commander Maritime Border Command (MBC), a 
Royal Australian Navy Rear Admiral, who is also a sworn officer in the 
Australian Border Force.
The Operation RESOLUTE area of operations covers approximately 10 per cent of the 

world's surface.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)
/ s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 25 May 23
Current ADF Operations
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 59
Operation Name Overview
Personnel 
Expenditure ii 
deployed i
(AUD) March 
2022-23 
stability in South-East Asia 
s33(a)(ii)
KUDU
Training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK
1,700,000
LILIA
Solomon Islands – security support
9,400,000
LINESMEN
Inter-Korean peace process
600,000
MANITOU
Maritime security – Middle East, 
1,000,000
West Indian Ocean
MAZURKA
Peacekeeping, Sinai, Egypt
1,700,000
OKRA
Defeat Daesh in Iraq and Syria
5,600,000
ORENDA
United Nations Peacekeeping, Mali
Nil to date
PALADIN
United Nations Peacekeeping, Israel, 
800,000
Lebanon,  Syria
RENDER SAFE
Pacific, removal of explosive 
500,000
remnants of war 
RESOLUTE
Border protection and maritime 
80,900,000
interests
SOLANIA
Pacific, maritime surveillance
1,900,000
SOUTHERN 
Australian Antarctic Program
200,000
DISCOVERY
STEADFAST
Iraq, NATO capacity building
200,000
VANUATU 
Response to TC JUDY and KEVIN in 
3,400,000
ASSIST 23
Vanuatu
Total
186,100,000
Notes
i.
Personnel numbers accurate as at 22 May 2023. Numbers may however vary due to operational 
requirements.
ii.
Expenditure accurate 31 March 2023.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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iii. Member assigned to ORENDA has been temporarily withdrawn from theatre due to security 
concerns.
iv. Members on Operation STEADFAST are dual force assigned to Operation OKRA.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

On 20 June 2022, a media organisation asked for information regarding ‘…a copy of any 
document or directive which covers the rules governing ADF personnel involved in 
unmanned aerial system units in the UK and US, including but not limited to rules of 
engagement and geographical limits.’ The decision to not release documents was made 
on 14 July 2022.

On 9 March 2022, a media organisation asked for information regarding ‘…any reports, 
briefs, emails, or cables detailing the latest figure of ADF personnel embedded into 
allied United States and United Kingdom unmanned aerial system units.’ A single table 
listing numbers of ADF personnel deployed was released on 4 April 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 
Operation CARNELIAN:

On 6 May 2023, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade put out a joint media release 
with the Minister for International Development and the Pacific and the Assistant 
Minister for Foreign Affairs detailing a $6 million humanitarian assistance package in 
response to the conflict in Sudan.

Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade confirmed on ABC AM on Wednesday 3 May the 
departure of Australians via a RAAF C-130J Hercules. 

The Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs both publically commented 
on the evacuation of Australians and other nationals from Sudan via a RAAF aircraft.
Operation FLOOD ASSIST 22-2:

On 17 November 2022, in an article with News.com.au Minister Murray Watt said the 
Government is working on a dedicated disaster workforce to assist during natural 
disasters and clean up, given the temporary pressure placed on the Defence Force.

On 24 October 2022, in a radio interview with ABC Gold Coast Minister Watt outlined 
his ongoing discussions with the Deputy Prime Minister Marles regarding the use of the 
ADF to respond to natural disasters. Minister Watt identified Defence Relief Australia 
as one of the organisations under consideration to play a greater role.  
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 25 May 23
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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tackle climate crisis. Journalist Joseph Moore reports details of a submission to the 
Senate Select Committee for Disaster Resilience mentioning the need to rely on ADF 
support unless alternate State-based solutions are found.

On 16 March 2023, the Kimberley Echo published an article titled Highway re-opening 
heralds fresh food returning to supermarkets. Journalist Sarah Crawford reports fresh 
food should be back in regular supply at East Kimberley supermarkets after the Victoria 
Highway reopened following almost a week when the region was unreachable by 
sealed road. The Department of Fire and Emergency Services organised the ADF to fly 
in 40 tonnes of groceries over two flights. 

On 14 March 2023, the Australian Associated Press published an article titled ADF 
disaster response may be impacting recruitment. Journalist Andrew brown covers Air 
Vice Marshall Stephen Chappell’s responses to the Senate Select Committee on 
Australia's Disaster Resilience and the impact the ADF response to disasters is having 
on recruitment and primary duties of the ADF.

On 08 March 2023, the Narrogin Observer published an article titled Kimberley floods: 
Fresh food to be flown and barged into cut off Kununurra, east communities
Journalists Sarah Crawford and Josh Zimmerman reported fresh food was to be flown 
and barged into cut off Kununurra, east communities. The ADF would begin flying food 
into Kununurra to fill supermarket shelves left empty after the town was cut off by 
flooding.

On 07 March 2023, the Kyabrim Free Press published an article titled Nation's 
waterlogged north faces renewed flood threat. AAP Newswire reported on the ADF 
helping to deliver essential supplies to people in Kununurra, who were isolated because 
of heavy flooding.

On 05 March 2023, the Katherine Times published an article titled Defence wraps up 
Kalk evac support, Vic River floods. Journalist Annie Hesse covers the conclusion of 
Defence support to evacuation of the Katherine region.

On 03 March 2023, the NT News published an article titled hercules to the rescue. The 
article covered the ADF deployed Hercules C-130 aircraft in Kalkarindji, 770km 
southwest of Darwin following severe flooding.

On 02 March 2023, the New Daily published an article titled Remote NT communities 
isolated by tropical low. The article reported the army deploying to help with urgent 
evacuations as heavy rain continued to batter the Northern Territory and people’s 
homes became “uninhabitable”.

On 13 February 2023, Sky News and a number of other outlets reported on Opposition 
Leader Peter Dutton’s tribute to the ADF for their support to Operation FLOOD ASSIST 
23-1.
Operation GATEWAY: 

On 16 March 2023, the American Military News published an article titled Australian 
military pilots offered counselling after Chinese jet encounters. Journalist Chris Kirkman 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 25 May 23
Current ADF Operations
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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reports on the support provided to Australian pilots after they encounter Chinese 
military jets.
Operation KUDU (Ukraine Support): 

On 27 March 2023, the National Tribune published an article titled Weather tests 
troops on Operation Kudu. The article reports on the weather conditions being 
experienced by Australian soldiers training recruits from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

On 19 March 2023, MenaFN published an article titled Soldiers Of Armed Forces Of 
Ukraine Undergo Live-Fire Training In UK. The article highlights the training of Ukrainian 
soldiers by ADF instructors.
Operation RESOLUTE: 

On 16 February 2023, The Australian published an article titled SOS to navy: get ready 
for boats surge. Journalists Simon Benson and Joe Kelly cover comments made by Vice 
Admiral David Johnston at Senate Estimates regarding a formal request from the 
commander of Operation Sovereign Borders for extra defence assets to patrol 
Australia's northern maritime approaches
Operation SOLANIA: 

On 28 January 2023, Mirage news published an article titled Pacific Islands Combat 
Illegal Fishing, Heighten Maritime Awareness. The article covers a workshop attended 
by officials and experts from the Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat; the Pacific Islands 
Forum Fisheries Agency; the Pacific Fusion Centre; along with Pacific Island 
representatives; PBP partners Australia, Canada, Germany, Japan, Republic of Korea, 
New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States; and PBP observers including 
the European Union, France, and India.
Operation VANUATU ASSIST:

On 27 March 2023, the Mercury and multiple News Corp outlets published an article 
titled Lieutenant Donna Miller follows in her family footsteps as sea warrior, nurse
Journalist Esha Malghan highlights Lieutenant Miller’s career and family ties to the sea.

On 24 March 2023, the National Tribune published an article titled Army engineers give 
remote island a lift. The article covers 6th Engineer Support Regiment’s work to restore 
key buildings on Futuna after Tropical Cyclones Judy and Kevin.

On 18 March 2023, The Fiji Times published an article titled Regional Focus: Judy, Kevin 
wreak havoc. Journalist Tess Newton covers the damage to Vanuatu after Tropical 
Cyclones Judy and Kevin and how the ADF are supporting the clean-up efforts. 

On 15 March 2023, the Vanuatu Daily post published an article titled Vila East School to 
resume next week as renovation continues. Journalist Doddy Morris reports how ADF 
support after Tropical Cyclones Judy and Kevin have allowed Vila East School to reopen.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 25 May 23
Current ADF Operations
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 59

On 10 March 2023, the Pacific Island News Association published an article titled Further 
Australian $4.35 million support for Vanuatu’s cyclone response. Journalist Pita Ligaiula 
covers Australia’s support to Vanuatu after Tropical Cyclones Judy and Keven.
Division:
Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
PDR No: 
SB23-000441
Prepared by:
Cleared by Group / Service Head: 
Air Vice Marshal Stephen Chappell          
Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN             
Head Military Strategic Commitments
Vice Chief of Defence Force
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date:  26 May 2023
Date: 26 May 2023
Consultation:  HQJOC (DGSPT) – BRIG Watts
Date: 03 April 2023 
Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: NA
Cleared by Band 3/3*: 
Date: 26 May 2023
Vice Admiral David Johnston, RAN             
Vice Chief of Defence Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: VCDF
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
           
 PDR No: SB23-000442
Last updated: 4 April 2023
                                            Defence Assistance to the Civil Community
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 60
Talking Points
Defence Assistance to the Civil Community arrangements 

State and territory governments have primary responsibility for the protection of life, 
property and the environment, and for coordinating and planning emergency 
responses or recovery actions in disaster-affected areas.  

During a natural disaster, states or territories can request Commonwealth assistance, 
including that of the ADF, through the National Emergency Management Agency. 

These requests are made when the emergency response authority has exhausted their 
capacity to respond, cannot respond in sufficient time, or they require a specialist 
response that only the ADF can provide.
Impact on preparedness due to domestic operations 

While the ADF is proactively postured to support the response to emergency domestic 
crises, the unprecedented scale, duration and frequency of support is unsustainable 
without accepting significant impact to ADF preparedness for its primary role. 

Further detail on preparedness impact can be found in SB23-000443 – Operational 
Preparedness. 

Defence has made submissions to the Senate Select Committee’s inquiry into 
Australia’s Disaster Resilience and the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, 
Defence and Trade’s inquiry into the Defence Annual Report and support to national 
crisis. Both of these submissions discuss the impact Defence Assistance to the Civil 
Community has on ADF preparedness. Defence awaits the outcomes of these inquiries 
in the second half of 2023.
Preparations for High Risk Weather Season (October to April)

Defence prepares and postures to be ready to respond to emergency requests from 
Commonwealth, state and territory governments ahead of the High Risk Weather 
Season (October to April). Defence’s preparation for the 2022/23 High Risk Weather 
Season included:

Validating the readiness of disaster relief equipment and supplies held by 
Defence and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

Revising and refining domestic and regional response plans.

Providing ADF support for National Emergency Management Agency’s annual 
preparedness briefings to: 

All relevant emergency authorities in all States and Territories between 
24 August and 30 September 2022.

Commonwealth Departments in Canberra on 5 October 2022.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Commodore Don Dezentje
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)
 s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 PDR No: SB23-000442
Last updated: 4 April 2023
                                            Defence Assistance to the Civil Community
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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Commonwealth Ministerial level High Risk Weather Season Table Top 
Activity on 11 October 2022. 

Defence maintains an extensive liaison network across Australia, engaging with all 
levels of government (local, state and federal) to facilitate and coordinate requests for 
ADF support. 

Short notice, specialist capabilities are maintained, which may be used, under 
Commonwealth direction, to assist the civilian community and civilian authorities.

This includes an Emergency Support Force established in each state and the 
Northern Territory comprising approximately 130 ADF members who can provide 
command and control, engineering, transport and logistics functions. 
Key Current Defence Assistance to the Civil Community Support Provided In 2023
Resupply of essential goods to Kununurra via air

On 07 March 2023, the Western Australian Department of Fire and Emergency Services 
requested Defence assistance through the National Emergency Management Agency to 
resupply essential goods to the area of Kununurra which had been cut off by 
floodwaters. 

Defence provided three flights into Kununurra with a C-130J aircraft - one flight on 9 
March 2023 and two flights on 10 March 2023.
Northern Territory evacuation support 

On 01 March 2023, the Northern Territory Emergency Services requested 
Commonwealth assistance through the National Emergency Management Agency to 
evacuate personnel from the Kalkarindji area due to flooding of the Victoria River.

Over 400 people were evacuated by two C-130J and one C-27 aircraft. The evacuation 
was complete by the evening of 03 March 2023.
Search for missing capsule of Caesium in Western Australia

Defence provided assistance to the Western Australian Department of Fire and 
Emergency Services efforts to search and locate a missing capsule of radioactive 
material Caesium-137 from 30 January 2023.

Personnel from the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency 
successfully located the capsule on 01 February 2023.

Questions related to the management, transport, loss and search for the radioactive 
material should be directed to the Western Australian Government.
Operation Flood Assist 23-1

Defence established Operation FLOOD ASSIST 23-1 on 06 January 2023 as part of the 
Commonwealth’s whole-of-government response to flooding in the Kimberley region of 
Western Australia.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Commodore Don Dezentje
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)
/ s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 PDR No: SB23-000442
Last updated: 4 April 2023
                                            Defence Assistance to the Civil Community
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 60

On 09 August 2022, the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry said in an 
address to the National Press Club“we think that there will always be a role for the 
Defence Force, but we do have concerns about how far they are being stretched. And, 
you know, their core job is the defence of the nation, and we do need to make sure that 
we’re not stretching them so far that that can’t remain their core focus.”

On 03 August 2022, Prime Minister Albanese and Deputy Prime Minister Marles 
announced the Defence Strategic Review, which will examine force structure, force 
posture and preparedness, and investment prioritisation, to ensure Defence has the 
right capabilities to meet our growing strategic needs.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 29 March 2023, the Courier mail published an article titled CFS calls for funding to 
tackle climate crisis. Journalist Joseph Moore reports details of a submission to the 
Senate Select Committee for Disaster Resilience mentioning the need to rely on ADF 
support unless alternate State-based solutions are found.

On 23 March 2023, the Daily Telegraph published an article titled Robbie Katter calls 
for state government to request ADF assistance to flooded Qld towns. Journalist Isaac 
McCarthy covers calls Robbie Katter made for the state government to formally 
request ADF assistance, as Queensland Police release video of flood-ravaged areas in 
the state’s west.

On 16 March 2023, the Kimberley Echo published an article titled Highway re-opening 
heralds fresh food returning to supermarkets. Journalist Sarah Crawford reports fresh 
food should be back in regular supply at East Kimberley supermarkets after the Victoria 
Highway reopened following almost a week when the region was unreachable by 
sealed road. The Department of Fire and Emergency Services organised the ADF to fly 
in 40 tonnes of groceries over two flights. 

On 14 March 2023, the Australian Associated Press published an article titled ADF 
disaster response may be impacting recruitment. Journalist Andrew brown covers Air 
Vice Marshall Stephen Chappell’s responses to the Senate Select Committee on 
Australia's Disaster Resilience and the impact the ADF response to disasters is having 
on recruitment and primary duties of the ADF.

On 08 March 2023, the Narrogin Observer published an article titled Kimberley floods: 
Fresh food to be flown and barged into cut off Kununurra, east communities
Journalists Sarah Crawford and Josh Zimmerman reported fresh food was to be flown 
and barged into cut off Kununurra, east communities. The ADF would begin flying food 
into Kununurra to fill supermarket shelves left empty after the town was cut off by 
flooding.

On 07 March 2023, the Kyabrim Free Press published an article titled Nation's 
waterlogged north faces renewed flood threat. AAP Newswire reported on the ADF 
helping to deliver essential supplies to people in Kununurra, who were isolated because 
of heavy flooding.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Commodore Don Dezentje
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 PDR No: SB23-000442
Last updated: 4 April 2023
                                            Defence Assistance to the Civil Community
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
Document 60

On 05 March 2023, the Katherine Times published an article titled Defence wraps up 
Kalk evac support, Vic River floods. Journalist Annie Hesse covers the conclusion of 
Defence support to evacuation of the Katherine region.

On 03 March 2023, the NT News published an article titled hercules to the rescue. The 
article covered the ADF deployed Hercules C-130 aircraft in Kalkarindji, 770km 
southwest of Darwin following severe flooding.

On 02 March 2023, the New Daily published an article titled Remote NT communities 
isolated by tropical low. The article reported the army deploying to help with urgent 
evacuations as heavy rain continued to batter the Northern Territory and people’s 
homes became “uninhabitable”.

On 13 February 2023, Sky News and a number of other outlets reported on Opposition 
Leader Peter Dutton’s tribute to the ADF for their support to Operation FLOOD ASSIST 
23-1.
Division:
Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive 
PDR No: 
SB23-000442
Prepared by:
Cleared by Group / Service Head:
Commodore Don Dezentje
Vice Admiral David Johnston
Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments  Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Mob:  
s22
s47E(d)
s22
    Ph: s47E(d)
  
Mob: 
   Ph: 
Date: 4 April 2023
Date: 6 April 2023
Consultation:  Joint Operations Command
Date:  3 April 2023
Group Captain Jason Pont, Acting Director 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
  
General Operations and Plans 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band  Date: 5 April 2023  
3/3*):
Vice Admiral David Johnston, Vice Chief of the 
Defence Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Commodore Don Dezentje
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 PDR No: SB23-000442
Last updated: 4 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Air Vice-Marshal Stephen Chappell
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Select Committee on Australia’s Disaster Resilience 14 March 2023

Costs of Deployment of the ADF to Domestic Disasters
Senator Perin Davey
Written Question
Have you got any statistics on costs of deployment? When you're called out to a domestic 
disaster, what does that cost the Defence Force? Do you have those sorts of statistics?
Answer
Yet to be tabled
Senate Select Committee on Australia’s Disaster Resilience 14 March 2023
International Examples of non-defence mobilisation
Senator Karen Grogan and Senator Jacqui Lambie
Spoken Question
Senator GROGAN: Are there any examples that you would be aware of overseas of mobilising 
non-defence personnel in the face of disasters? 
Air Vice-Marshal Chappell: I'm aware of a number of international models that Home Affairs 
and NEMA are looking at and have looked at to inform their considerations and inform the 
thinking across governments at all levels of Australia. I'm aware of US models, Danish models 
and German models. I'm sure there are others as well. Again, Defence will provide a view and 
a position to Home Affairs and NEMA and the other stakeholders on how that might best fit 
for the Australian context, noting that we will support Commonwealth state and territory 
levels through that Australian government crisis management framework. 
CHAIR: What is the timeline that you expect for them? When do you think Home Affairs or 
whoever is doing that model will arrive at that judgement? There are plenty of other 
countries around the world doing this. I just don't think we have a lot of time. Is there any 
idea on some sort of timeline for Defence, where they say, 'I think this the better model here, 
and this is what you should do'? Where are you guys up to with your opinion on that side to 
provide that? 
Air Vice-Marshal Chappell: Again, we contribute to the Home Affairs and NEMA discussions. 
I'll need to take that question on notice, but I would probably refer in the main to Home 
Affairs and NEMA on the timelines, noting that each nation, its structure and its domestic, 
environmental and geographic context means that each model, I'm sure, will require specific 
fit-for-purpose, fit-for-nation models and dynamics. I would refer to Home Affairs, and I will 
take on notice whether we do have a view of the timeline there.
Answer 
Yet to be tabled
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Commodore Don Dezentje
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston
Position: Acting Head Military Strategic Commitments
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Branch/Division: Military Strategic Commitments
Group: Vice Chief of the Defence Force Executive
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston
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impact of more frequent and more intense natural disasters on the ongoing 
capacity and capability of the ADF; and 

impact on the ADF in responding to domestic natural disasters. 

Defence understands this report is due to be tabled in September 2023. 

A submission touching on similar themes was made to the Joint Standing Committee on 
Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade’s inquiry into the Defence Annual Report and 
support to national crisis.

Increased frequency and duration of ADF commitment to domestic disaster relief is a 
significant contributor to increased operational tempo and concurrency. Depending on 
the scope, scale and duration of these operations, this may impact Defence’s capacity 
to respond to emerging requirements within its primary role. 

The preparedness management system enables Defence to actively manage these risks 
and communicate them to Government to inform prioritisation.

Through preparedness direction and assurance reporting the Chief of the Defence 
Force ensures the sustainable capacity of Defence to apply capabilities to accomplish 
Government-directed tasks.

Defence provides a classified biannual report to the Deputy Prime Minister on 
concurrency and preparedness. This report highlights the deficiencies and risks to 
Defence’s ability to respond to Government demands.

The National Defence Defence Strategic Review response makes a number of 
recommendations concerning the use of the ADF in Domestic Operations. Defence is 
working through these recommendations. 

The development of a Defence Strategic Mobilisation Plan will identify options to 
strengthen Defence’s ability to respond to a range of contingencies. These include 
large-scale domestic natural disasters and national emergencies.
How does Defence manage operational tempo and concurrency?

Defence reviews preparedness settings biannually to identify risks and manage 
resources.

Where appropriate, Defence manages concurrency pressures by: 

outsourcing work (such as contracting commercial airlift);

cancelling or modifying training events;

limiting activity/deployments of ADF platforms and personnel; and 

implementing leave management plans.

Defence has also increased workforce flexibility options to relieve concurrency 
pressures for ADF personnel, for example: 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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increased remote training options to allow personnel to remain in their posted 
location; and

increased use of the reserve workforce to augment the permanent force.
What are the impacts of concurrency pressures?

Increased levels of concurrency pressures on certain elements of Defence can lead to 
the following: 

platform degradation due to high utilisation rates of Defence assets;

elevated separation rates from service;

systemic fatigue due to limited respite opportunities;

reduced individual training opportunities for personnel impacting career 
progression;

reduced collective training opportunities impacting unit preparedness; and

reduced scale of response from Defence.
How does Defence assess operational preparedness? 

Defence assesses operational tempo against Defence preparedness through a range of 
objective assessments, against performance targets and a variety of subjective means. 

These include: 

formal deficiency and risk reports against Defence capability;

workforce surveys;

command chain reporting; and 

workforce health indicators (such as leave balances, retention and recruiting).

Operational tempo differs across the Defence workforce. An example of a critical 
capability that displayed operational tempo stress is our medical capabilities (who 
worked to deliver the Commonwealth Government’s COVID-19 response when health 
reserves were already committed in civilian roles).  
Is heightened operational tempo impacting members and their families?

People are the key to Defence capability. High operational tempo is causing absences 
from home and long working hours are impacting on members and families of some 
elements of the ADF.

Defence analyses a range of welfare indicators to assess the impact of high operational 
tempo to understand workforce risks to our people. Circumstances vary widely across 
the total workforce.

The Defence Member and Family Helpline is the primary point of contact for ADF 
members and their families seeking support, information or connection with their 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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community. The Helpline is available 24/7 and is staffed by qualified human services 
professionals including social workers and psychologists.

Defence Member and Family Support, at the request of Command, undertakes family 
assessments and makes recommendations to assist in decision making. Examples 
include assessment of a family situation in relation to a compassionate return to 
Australia and compassionate postings.
Background

While the ADF is proactively postured to support the response to emergency domestic 
crises, the provision of prolonged support in recent years – particularly in non-core 
roles – is impacting preparedness, operations, regional engagement, retention and 
modernisation.

This coincides with a period of strategic uncertainty and increasing security-specific 
demands on the ADF, particularly in the Indo-Pacific.

Elements of sustainment and operating budgets must be reprioritised as Defence 
focuses more acutely on the strategic threats. 

The scale, duration and frequency of Defence support to domestic crises, such as 
COVID-19, 2019/2020 Bushfires, is not sustainable without accepting significant impact 
for ADF preparedness.

The ADF is not the primary responder in domestic disaster situations. The responsibility 
of emergency management rests with state and local authorities.

During a natural disaster, states or territories can request Commonwealth assistance, 
including that of the ADF, through the National Emergency Management Agency. These 
requests are known as Defence Assistance to the Civil Community. 

This assistance delivers an outcome or effect at a time when the recipient’s own 
resources are not capable or have been overwhelmed. 

Further detail on Defence Assistance to the Civil Community can be found in SB23-
000442. 

Although states and territories have primary responsibility for domestic disaster 
responses within their jurisdiction, the provision of Defence support to civilian agencies 
in times of emergencies has been a consistent policy of Commonwealth Government 
assistance.

Defence Strategic Review outlines increasing levels of preparedness. Options to achieve 
Government direction are under development.  
Supporting Information

For a summary on Defence Operations please refer to SB23-000441.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000443 
Last updated: 26 April 2023
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Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston
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Division:
Force Design Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000443
Prepared by:
Cleared by Group / Service Head:
Air Commodore Nick Hogan
Vice Admiral David Johnston
Acting Head of Force Design
Vice Chief of the Defence Force
Mob: s22
     Ph: s47E(d)
 
Mob: s22
     Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 26 April 2023  
Date: 5 April 2023
Consultation:  Military Strategic 
Date:  31 March 2023  
Commitments
Mob:  s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Commodore Don Dezentje
Director-General Military Strategic 
Commitments
Consultation:  Headquarters Joint 
Date:  4 April 2023  
Operations Command
Mob: N/A
 Ph: N/A
JOC Group Governance
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Colonel Benjamin Cook 
Date: 31 March 2023
Director, Strategic Workforce Plans and Analysis 
Defence People Group
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 5 April 2023  
Vice Admiral David Johnston, Vice Chief of the Defence 
Force
Questions on notice referred to within the brief: 
Budget Estimates on 18 November 2022

Civilian National Disaster or Emergency Response Force
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
1. What progress has been made toward creation of a civilian national disaster or emergency 
response force, and what funding commitments have been made? 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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2. What briefings has the Department of Defence (Department) provided to the Government
on the impact of disaster and emergency response and relief ensure that the Australian
Defence Force (ADF) can focus on its primary national security and defence role?
3. What are the risks for the ADF and its warfighting and defence capability, and morale, if it
is continues to be frequently deployed to respond to civilian national disaster and emergency
events?
4. What impact are frequent and lengthy civilian response deployments having on ADF
personnel, including in relation to morale, development, retention and departures from the
ADF?
Answer
1. This is a policy question with the portfolio responsibility in the Department of Home Affairs
and the Minister for Home Affairs.
2. Defence routinely briefs Ministers and Government on this matter.
3. Defence continues to meet its operational commitments and higher priority activities. The
cumulative effect of sustained domestic operational demands and restrictions on training
generate an ongoing risk to preparedness. These risks are actively managed.
4. While the ADF is proactively postured to support the response to emergency domestic
crises, the provision of prolonged domestic support in recent years has impacts to
preparedness, operations, regional engagement, retention and modernisation.
Senate 
28 September 2022
Senator Simon Birmingham 
Question
What progress has been made toward creation of a civilian national disaster or emergency 
response force, and what funding commitments have been made? 
What is the Government’s plan to ensure that the ADF can focus on its primary national 
security and defence role?
What are the risks for the ADF and its warfighting and defence capability if it is instead 
deployed to respond to civilian national disaster and emergency events? 
What briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and the Government, 
relating to these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them. 
Answer
The creation of a civilian national disaster or emergency response force is a matter for the 
Department of Home Affairs and the Minister for Home Affairs.
Defence continues to meet its operational commitments and higher priority activities. The 
cumulative effect of sustained domestic operational demands and restrictions on training 
generate an ongoing risk to preparedness.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 26 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston
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Through preparedness direction and assurance reporting, the Chief of the Defence Force 
ensures the sustainable capacity of Defence to accomplish government directed tasks.
The preparedness management system enables Defence to actively manage these risks and 
communicate them to government to inform prioritisation.
Defence formally reports any significant preparedness deficiency. The Government does not 
comment publicly on the specifics of Defence’s state of preparedness.
Defence routinely briefs Ministers and Government on this matter. These briefings contain 
sensitive material and may adversely impact Defence if released publically.
 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Anthony Rawlins
Name: Vice Admiral David Johnston 
Position: Head of Force Design
Position: Vice Chief of the Defence Force 
Division: Force Design Division
Group/Service: Vice Chief of Defence Force Executive 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000438
Last updated: 08 May 2023
   Enterprise Resource Planning
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Matt Yannopoulos
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Through the Integrated Investment Program, the ERP Program is allocated $5,787.8 
million (including $422.5 million in contingency) to acquire and sustain the ERP 
capability to 2040-41. 

To date, the Government has released $1,643.6 million (including $261.3 million in 
contingency) to acquire capability covering the scope of Tranche 1, Tranche 2 and 
Tranche 3A. In addition, $692.1 million has been released to sustain this capability. 
Risk

Most recently, the ERP Program has encountered delays in executing System 
Integration Testing, entering the most recent test cycle nine weeks later than planned. 
This occurred due to test process deficiencies and data quality issues.

Defence has worked with the SAP Global Escalation team in a detailed consultation 
process to address concerns about the ERP Program’s progress. An Independent 
Assurance Reviewer is providing monthly reports on the ERP Program’s progress. 

Defence is committed to working with SAP and the systems integrator, IBM, to deliver a 
viable solution for the Tranche 1 Release 1B and Tranche 2 scope.

Defence assessed the schedule risk of Tranche 1 and Tranche 2 delivery as High.

In consultation with the software vendor (SAP) and system integrator (IBM), Defence is 
engaged in detailed replanning of the delivery schedule to strengthen confidence in 
delivery dates for Tranche 1 and Tranche 2 initial operating capability and final 
operating capability dates. 

Defence is committed to ensuring the schedule is achievable, adequately resourced 
and addresses previous issues. 

Defence is prepared to transition to the ERP capability when go-live is achieved.
Background 

The ERP Program commenced in 2015, achieving First Pass approval in 2016 and initial 
Second Pass approval in 2018.

The initial Second Pass approval was to deliver capability to support logistics and to 
support maintenance of land equipment, as well as foundational financial and HR 
functions to support this capability.

In 2021, approval was given to expand the scope for the ERP Program to include 
Case Management (Tranche 2) & HR (excluding payroll). In both instances, funding 
(approved and unapproved) was transferred to the ERP Program.

The ERP solution will be implemented with a suite of SAP software (provided by SAP SE, 
a German multinational software corporation) as the core.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Maria Milosavljevic
Name: Matthew Yannopoulos
Position: Chief Data Integration Officer
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Data Division 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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S/4HANA, SAP’s current ERP software, augmented by SAP’s Defence and Security 
industry solution, is the core of the solution.

It provides both traditional ERP features (such as financial management and 
procurement) and a rich set of features that are Defence-specific.

The ERP Program is currently scheduled to deliver the initial capability (Tranche 1 and 
Tranche 2) in quarter 2 of 2024 (following a schedule replan in March 2023), the 
Tranche 3A capability by late 2026, and full acquisition by 2030.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

No QoNs asked. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting

None identified.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Maria Milosavljevic
Name: Matthew Yannopoulos
Position: Chief Data Integration Officer
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Data Division 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Matt Yannopoulos
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Division:
Data Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000438
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
s47E(d)
 ED DBIP, Enterprise Business 
Maria Milosavljevic, CDIO, Data Division
and Data Programs Branch
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 04 April 2023 
Date: 03 April 2023
Consultation:  Delivery Division, CIOG
Date:  04 April 2023  
Major General Sue Graham, Head Business 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Transformation
Air Commodore Damien Keddie, A/ Program  Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Director ERP. 
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date: 04 April 2023
Tracey Mackrow, AS Finance – Enabling Groups
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 28 April 2023 
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, Associate 
Secretary Group 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Maria Milosavljevic
Name: Matthew Yannopoulos
Position: Chief Data Integration Officer
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Data Division 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000661
Last updated: 17 May 2023
              US Unauthorised Disclosure of Classified Information
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Greg Moriarty
Document 63
If pressed: details of US investigation 

It would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation in the 
United States.
If pressed: when the US first formally advised Defence of the leak 

Once the US had developed an initial understanding of the apparent unauthorised 
disclosure, it formally advised us (Defence) through s33(a)(i)
 and policy 
channels on 11 April 2023.
If pressed: appropriateness of security clearance procedures

Australia and United States have in place rigorous security clearance processes for 
those staff that have access to our most sensitive national security information.
 s33(a)(i)

Background 

On 6 April 2023 international media began reporting on what appeared to be classified 
US Government documents – including operational and intelligence briefs – that were 
circulating on the Internet and social media platforms.

The material covered a range of geographic and thematic issues. The documents 
remain classified – unauthorised public disclosure does not serve as a declassification 
mechanism.

On 11 April 2023 United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin stated he was advised 
of the apparent unauthorised disclosure on 6 April, and publicly indicated the US would 
do all in its power to identify the source.

On 11 April 2023, after developing an initial understanding of the potential compromise 
of information, the United States formally advised us (Defence) of the unauthorised 
disclosure through s33(a)(i)
 and policy channels. s33(a)(i)
 
s33(a)(i)

On 13 April 2023 United States Air National Guardsman, 21-year old Jack Teixeria was 
arrested by US authorities in connection to the unauthorised disclosure. It is alleged Mr 
Teixeria, who was cleared to access sensitive intelligence and operational information, 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(
Name: Lieutenant General Gavan Reynolds
Position: Chief of Staff to Chief of Defence Intelligence
Position: Chief of Defence Intelligence
Division: Office of Chief of Defence Intelligence
Group/Service: Defence Intelligence Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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photographed documents and shared them through an instant messaging platform 
from at least March this year.

The unauthorised disclosure is now the subject of a US Department of Justice criminal 
investigation and the US Department of Defense is continuing to assess the contents 
and implications of documents that have been disclosed.

Relevant Australian and US senior officials are engaging regularly as the investigation 
proceeds, particularly in respect to any implications for Australia’s national interests.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

13 April 2023: Fit, armed and God-loving, mid-20s: US secret leaker identified, Sydney 
Morning Herald.

11 April 2023: Defence Force Chief warning over leaked US intelligence reports on 
Ukraine war, News.com.au

11 April 2023: US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says leaked classified documents were 
‘somewhere in the web’, Fox News 

8 April 2023: DOJ opens investigation into leaks of apparent classified US military 
documents, CNN.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(
Name: Lieutenant General Gavan Reynolds
Position: Chief of Staff to Chief of Defence Intelligence
Position: Chief of Defence Intelligence
Division: Office of Chief of Defence Intelligence
Group/Service: Defence Intelligence Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Greg Moriarty
Document 63
Division:
Defence Intelligence Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000661
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
 Chief of Staff, Office of Chief of 
Lieutenant General Gavan Reynolds, Chief of 
Defence Intelligence
Defence Intelligence
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 17 May 2023
Date: 17 May 2023  
Consultation:  
Date:  17 May 2023  
s33(a)(i)
Tom Menadue, Acting First Assistant 
Mob: 0434 651 747   Ph: s47E(d)
Secretary International Policy Division
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 17 May 2023  
Lieutenant General Gavan Reynolds, Chief of Defence 
Intelligence
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(
Name: Lieutenant General Gavan Reynolds
Position: Chief of Staff to Chief of Defence Intelligence
Position: Chief of Defence Intelligence
Division: Office of Chief of Defence Intelligence
Group/Service: Defence Intelligence Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000444
Last updated: 24 May 2023
 Reforming Defence Legislation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Matt Yannopoulos; Adrian D’Amico
Document 64
characterises the current and predicted strategic environments, including our 
involvement in special warfare, grey-zone, cyber or space activities.
If pressed: How do these reforms relate to other Government priorities and reform initiatives?

These reforms are focused on enabling Defence as a fully integrated war-fighting 
enterprise, to ensure Defence is better positioned to defend our national interests in a 
more complex and dynamic strategic environment.

The reforms will complement and empower key Australian Government defence 
priorities and the ongoing development and integration of new and emerging 
technologies and advanced capabilities.

Implementing the reforms will provide a more robust domestic legal foundation for 
Australia’s defence and security, supporting greater interoperability between Defence 
and its domestic and international partners.
If pressed: Will the reforms include a parliamentary decision-making power to commit 
Australia to war?

No. The Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade (Committee) 
recently completed an inquiry into how Australia makes decisions to send service 
personnel into international armed conflict. The Committee’s report was tabled on 
31 March 2023 and is currently being considered by Government.

It would not be appropriate to make further comment while that subject remains under 
Government consideration; however, it is not intended that these particular reforms 
will include a parliamentary war power.
If pressed: Will there be any impacts on defence industry?

The aim of the reforms is to recognise defence industry as an important and integral 
part of the defence workforce. We want to make it easier for defence industry to 
provide important support services to Defence.
If pressed: Will the reforms affect ADF members and veterans?

ADF members will be able to train more effectively (more closely in line with how they 
will fight), exercise with international counterparts more effectively, and will have and 
use more advanced equipment and technologies within a robust legal framework. This 
will impart greater confidence in the conduct and upskilling of our war-fighters and 
Australia’s military capabilities.

Veteran’s compensation and entitlements are not within the scope of these reforms. 
Defence continues to participate in the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran 
Suicide and will consider any recommendations in due course.
If pressed: How will Defence progress the reforms?

A dedicated team, led by Major General Gavin Duncan, DSC, AM, has been established 
within Defence to drive the reforms.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Anna Rudziejewski
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: General Counsel – Defence
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Defence Legal
Group: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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The team consists of APS staff, Permanent and Reserve ADF personnel and contractors 
working in a variety of full and part-time capacities.

The number of people working on the project will fluctuate over the development and 
delivery of the reforms, to meet project work demands.
Background 

The Government has agreed that Defence develop legislation to reform the Defence 
Act 1903 and related legislation, s47C
, to 
better position Defence as an agile, integrated war-fighting enterprise. 

On 9 March 2023, the Government announced the reforms through the release of a 
Public Consultation Paper and request for public submissions.

The proposed reforms will:

provide appropriate authority and accountability for a range of effects and 
activities integral to modern defence capabilities and operations;

address electronic and cyber effects, training and technology development, and 
information collection, use and sharing for Defence purposes; 

enable greater defence security, covering both tangible and intangible forms 
(e.g. beyond defence of premises to security of Australia’s military capabilities); 

support greater interoperability with key allies and partners. This will ensure that 
our capabilities can integrate and operate for mutual strategic benefit; 

address real-time threats to Australia’s national interests and the global rules-
based order; and

complement other Government priorities and commitments.

The Bill’s development will be informed by a program of targeted engagement and the 
review of public submissions that closed on 21 April 2023.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 9 March 2023, the Assistant Minister for Defence responded to questions following 
the release of the Public Consultation Paper in an interview with ABC Afternoon 
Briefing. A copy of the transcript is available on the Defence Ministers webpage.
Relevant Media Reporting 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Anna Rudziejewski
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: General Counsel – Defence
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Defence Legal
Group: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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PDR No: SB23-000444
Last updated: 24 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Matt Yannopoulos; Adrian D’Amico
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Australian media has reported on the release of the Public Consultation Paper. A Media 
Release was published on the Defence Ministers webpage following the announcement 
of the Public Consultation paper.

An article in The Guardian by Damien Hurst speaking to the reforms and public 
consultation process was published on 3 May 2023. Australian defence law plan sparks 
warning of ‘disturbing’ overreach
Division: 
Defence Legal
PDR No: 
SB23-000444
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Anna Rudziejewski, General Counsel – 
Adrian D’Amico, Chief Counsel, Defence 
Defence, General Counsel Defence
Legal
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 5 April 2023  
Date: 24 May 2023  
Consultation: N/A.
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A.
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 24 May 2023  
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, Associate 
Secretary Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Anna Rudziejewski
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: General Counsel – Defence
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Defence Legal
Group: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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