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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
    21-22 Major Projects Report
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
Document 1
Why has Defence chosen not to publish some information in this report?

For reasons of national security, Defence has not published some detailed project 
performance information on some projects.

The Australian National Audit Office was supplied with all information that was deemed 
not for publication so that they could conduct their assurance review.

It is important that the spending of public money remains transparent and accountable 
but this must be achieved through processes that protect our Australian Defence Force 
capability and people.

The Government will carefully consider future public reporting and ensure that it is 
transparent and in the national interest. 

Defence continues to publicly report on key acquisition and sustainment projects in the 
Portfolio Budget Statements; Portfolio Additional Estimates Statements; and the 
Defence Annual Report.
Has there been a ‘cost blowout’ for these projects? 

Budget variations occur as a result of endorsed changes by Government to scope, real 
cost changes, scope transfers between projects, and foreign exchange adjustments.

There have been no real cost increases in the 2021-22 financial year for the 21 projects 
in the report.

Budget increases for some projects in previous financial years primarily related to 
approved scope increases, including an additional 58 Joint Strike Fighters and an 
additional 34 MRH90 Helicopters.
Why have some projects not reported forecast dates? 

Some forecast dates were withheld on security grounds. Additionally, four projects did 
not have forecast dates to be published as at 30 June 2022:

Future Submarines and the Hunter Class Frigate projects did not have Final Operational 
Capability milestones approved by Government as at 30 June 2022.

The Final Operational Capability forecasts for the Medium and Heavy Vehicles project 
and the Pacific Patrol Boat Replacement project were under review as at 30 June 2022 
but will be available to support the 2022-23 Major Projects Report. 
Why has Defence not addressed the audit recommendations outlined in the report?

Defence has addressed and closed a range of audit recommendations in the 2021-22 
financial year, as recognised by the Australian National Audit Office in the 2021-22 
Major Projects Report.

Defence continues to work towards addressing a small number of audit 
recommendations that were identified in the 2021-22 Major Projects Report.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
    21-22 Major Projects Report
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
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Project Achievements in 2021-22

The Report highlights key achievements for Defence including: 

The Maritime Operational Support Capability declared Initial Operational 
Capability for the first Supply-class replenishment ship, HMAS Supply, and 
commissioned the second ship HMAS Stalwart in the Royal Australian Navy. 

The gifting of two Guardian Class Patrol Boats to the Pacific Island Countries of 
the Federated States of Micronesia and the Cook Islands. 

The first Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel NUSHIP Arafura was launched on 16 
December 2021. 
Treatment of Classified Information

The need to balance transparency, accountability and security is necessitating a change 
in mindset and practice in the communication of Defence capability given the current 
strategic environment.

It is important that the spending of public money remains transparent and accountable 
but this must be achieved through processes that protect our capability and people.

Defence and the Government will carefully consider future public reporting and ensure 
that it is transparent and in the national interest. 

Defence continues to publicly report on key acquisition and sustainment projects in the 
Portfolio Budget Statements; Portfolio Additional Estimates Statements; and the 
Defence Annual Report.
Background 

The 2021-22 Defence Major Projects Report was tabled in Parliament by the Auditor-
General on 9 February 2023. 

The Report indicates that nothing has come to the attention of the Auditor-General to 
suggest that the information provided by Defence in the Report has not been prepared 
in accordance with the Joint Committee for Public Accounts and Audit Guidelines.

The Major Projects Report is an annual Limited Assurance Review conducted by the 
Australian National Audit Office in accordance with guidelines endorsed by the 
Parliament’s Joint Committee for Public Accounts and Audit each year. 

The 2021-22 Report focuses on 21 major Defence capital acquisitions being delivered 
by the Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group and the Naval Shipbuilding and 
Sustainment Group.

The Australian National Audit Office has identified the Civil-Military Air Traffic 
Management System (AIR 5431 Phase 3) project as a Project of Concern in the Report, 
as at 30 June 2022, as a result of the former Government’s direction to elevate the 
project. However, the announcement strategy was not settled prior to the change in 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
    21-22 Major Projects Report
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
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Government. The Report does, however, correctly identify the Government’s 
announcement of the elevation of this project to a Project of Concern in October 2022.

The Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit led an inquiry into matters contained 
in the 2020-21 and 2021-22 Major Projects Reports on 19 May 2023. Discussion 
focused on COVID-19 impacts to project schedule delays; the timeline for the 
announcement of the Civil-Military Air Traffic Management System project as a Project 
of Concern and the overall suitability and format of the Major Projects Report. 
 Background - Treatment of Classified Information

In accordance with the Joint Committee for Public Accounts and Audit Guidelines, the 
Vice Chief of the Defence Force is accountable for assuring the security classification of 
the project information within the Report is at the ‘unclassified’ level, including in 
aggregate. 

The review took into account the risk to national security should information disclose 
an Australian Defence Force capability or identify a gap that could be used by foreign 
agents or adversaries. 

Defence assessed that some project information should not be published on security 
grounds, which has resulted in the Australian National Audit Office not publishing a 
complete analysis of schedule performance and including commentary to suggest that 
Defence has reduced the level of transparency of performance information.

The Auditor-General has included an ‘Emphasis of Matter’ in his Independent 
Assurance Report signifying that this element is significant for the reader’s 
understanding.

Four of the 21 projects had some dates or schedule-related information withheld from 
publication:

Offshore Patrol Vessel (SEA 1180 Phase 1) — some forecast dates and schedule 
variances.

Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Electronic Warfare 
Capability (AIR 555 Phase 1) — original planned dates, forecast dates and 
schedule variances.

Short Range Ground Based Air Defence (LAND 19 Phase 7B) — some current 
contracted dates, forecast dates and schedule variances.

Jindalee Operational Radar Network (AIR 2025 Phase 6) — current contracted 
dates, forecast dates and schedule variance.

Limited technical information was also withheld from publication for the New Air 
Combat Capability (AIR 6000 Phase 2A/2B) project and the Maritime Communications 
Modernisation (SEA 1442 Phase 4) project.

While the information is not published, it has all been reviewed by the Australian 
National Audit Office. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
    21-22 Major Projects Report
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
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Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Senate Estimates Hearing: 15 February 2023 

In QoN 32, MPR Costs Senator David Shoebridge (Australian Greens, New South Wales) 
asked to be provided the table that identifies the different projects as against the ‘$6.5 
billion cost blowout’? Item has been tabled.  
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

None identified.
Division:
Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000388
Prepared by:
Cleared by: 
Suzanne Kerrigan, Assistant Secretary, 
Tom Brennan, Acting First Assistant 
Independent Project and Portfolio 
Secretary, Strategy, Planning and 
Management Office
Independent Assurance Division 
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Date: 22 May 2023
Consultation:  Force Design Division
Date:  5 April 2023
Major General Anthony Rawlins, Head Force  Mob: s22
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Design
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
N/A
Cleared by: Chris Deeble
Date:  22 May 2023  
Deputy Secretary, Capability Acquisition and 
Sustainment Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
Document 1
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Estimates Question, 15 February 2023

2021-22 Major Projects Report
Senator David Shoebridge 
Question 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Can you provide that table that identifies the different projects as 
against the $6.5 billion cost blowout?
Mr Deeble: I can't provide that today but I can take that on notice and I can provide you with 
that data.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Looking at it again this morning, I'd understood it to mean that the 
$6.5 billion were cost blowouts not associated with increasing scope of projects but 
associated with additional costs to meet the original scope of the projects. Is that how we 
should view that $6.5 billion cost blowout?
Mr Deeble: Yes, there are aspects in there. I will just try to explain where the differences sit. 
That $6.5 billion did include exchange rate and variation aspects to it.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: We might call them 'somewhat blameless elements'?
Mr Deeble: I would accept that as a reasoned explanation of that, yes.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: But the balance involved costs that are not explained by either 
increasing the scope of the project or the number of items being purchased or exchange 
rates; they are costs that have come about throughout the course of delivering the project.
Mr Deeble: I'm happy to take that on notice and we can provide you with an explanation of 
those costs more specifically.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: If you would, against each of the projects, I would appreciate that.
Answer 
The Government’s announcement of 10 October 2022 relating to the performance of 
Defence projects identified “at least $6.5 billion of variations from the approved budgets.” 
There are 22 projects that contribute to the reported variation, identified across the 2019-20 
and the 2020-21 Major Projects Reports. The variation amount is the difference between the 
current approved budget and the budget at Second Pass Approval by Government (as 
reported in the 2019-20 or 2020-21 Major Projects Reports).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000388
Last updated: 22 May 2023
21-22 Major Projects Report
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Chris Deeble; Vice Admiral David Johnston
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The below table lists the relevant projects that contributed to the $6.5 billion variation.
Project Name
Project Number
ANZAC Air Search Radar Replacement 
SEA 1448 Phase 4B
Battlefield Airlift – Caribou Replacement (C-27J Spartan) 
AIR 8000 Phase 2
Battlefield Command System 
LAND 200 Phase 2
Battlespace Communications System (Land) 
LAND 2072 Phase 2B
Civil Military Air Traffic Management System (CMATS)
AIR 5431 Phase 3
Collins Class Communications and Electronic Warfare 
Improvement 
SEA 1439 Phase 5B2
Collins Class Submarine Reliability and Sustainability
SEA 1439 Phase 3
Defence Satellite Comms Capability – Indian Ocean UHF SATCOM  JOINT 2008 Phase 5A
EA-18G Growler Airborne Electronic Attack Capability 
AIR 5349 Phase 3
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
AIR 6000 Phase 2A/B
Future Naval Aviation Combat System Helicopter – MH-60R 
Seahawk 
AIR 9000 Phase 8
Jindalee Operational Radar Network Mid-Life Upgrade 
AIR 2025 Phase 6
Maritime Communications Modernisation 
SEA 1442 Phase 4
Maritime Operational Support Capability – Replacement 
Replenishment Ships 
SEA 1654 Phase 3
Maritime Patrol and Response Aircraft System – P-8A Poseidon 
AIR 7000 Phase 2B
Mounted Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles (Boxers) 
LAND 400 Phase 2
Multi-Role Helicopter
AIR 9000 Phase  2/4/6
Night Fighting Equipment Replacement 
LAND 53 Phase 1BR
Offshore Patrol Vessel
SEA 1180 Phase 1
Overlander Medium Heavy Capability Vehicles 
LAND 121 Phase 3B
Pacific Patrol Boat Replacement 
SEA 3036 Phase 1
Protected Mobility Vehicle – Light (Hawkei) 
LAND 121 Phase 4
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary
Management Office  
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Key witness: Chris Deeble
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Measure 3 – Establishing formal processes and “early warning” criteria for placing projects on 
the Projects of Concern and Projects of Interest lists.

A revised policy on the Projects and Products of Interest and Concern regime was 
published on 28 February 2023.

This includes more vigilant line management oversight of performance and the 
identification, management and mitigation of risk in project and product delivery.

There is now a tiered process of placing projects and products with significant risks, 
issues, or challenges on a Group Watch List and possible subsequent elevation to the 
Projects of Interest or Projects of Concern lists. 

For more significant risks, issues or significant actual or anticipated breaches of project 
parameters (scope/capability, schedule, budget), consideration is given by the Group 
Head to placing the project or product on the Project/Product of Interest List, or 
recommending to the Minister of Defence Industry that the project or product be 
placed on the Project/Product of Concern List. 
Measure 4 – Fostering a culture in Defence of raising attention to emerging problems and 
encouraging and enabling early response.

The updated policy reinforces the need for honesty, openness and transparency in 
reporting on performance, providing visibility of current and emerging issues, and 
elevating matters, as necessary, for senior level or external assistance – whilst also 
reinforcing the primary responsibility of accountable line managers for performance 
and delivery. 

We are seeking to foster a stronger culture of trust, sharing of issues and concerns, and 
confidence in support from senior managers.  

Whilst positive steps have been taken, this is a longer term journey. 

An education campaign is being developed to support this measure.
Measure 5 – Providing troubled projects with extra resources and skills.

The revised policy reinforces the willingness of senior managers to assist and the 
availability of specialist resources and skills, such as the provision of expertise from the 
Independent Assurance Review team.

The IPPMO support and assurance processes will also look more explicitly at the need 
to provide additional support or specialist skills to project and product teams. 
Measure 6 – Convening regular Ministerial summits to discuss remediation plans.

Two Projects of Concern Summits have been held (2 December 2022 and 31 March 
2023).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Key witness: Chris Deeble
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Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Senate Estimates: 15 February 2023 

In QoN 6 (Portfolio Question Number 8), Senator Linda White (Australian Labor Party, 
Victoria) asked several performance reporting questions.  Tabled 17 May 2023.

In QoN 75 (Portfolio Question Number 46, 2022), Senator Jim Molan (Australian Liberal 
Party, New South Wales) asked several performance reporting questions. Tabled 16 
December 2022. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting

On 22 May 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry issued a media release, Update on 
Projects of Concern, regarding the elevation of Satellite Ground Station East and 
Wideband SATCOM Network Management System to a Project of Concern. 

On 31 March 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry issued a media release, Projects 
of Concern Update, regarding the Projects of Concern Summit in Canberra on the same 
day, about the Civil-Military Air Traffic Management System (OneSKY-CMATS) project.

On 2 December 2022, the Minister for Defence Industry issued a media release, 
Projects of Concern Summit Held in Canberra, regarding the Projects of Concern 
Summit in Canberra on the same day, about the Civil-Military Air Traffic Management 
System (OneSKY-CMATS) project. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Key witness: Chris Deeble
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Division:
Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000389
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Suzanne Kerrigan
Tom Brennan 
Assistant Secretary
Acting First Assistant Secretary 
Independent Project and Portfolio 
Strategy, Planning and Independent 
Management Office
Assurance Division 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
  
Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 23 May 2023
Date: 05 April 2023
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary: 
Date: 23 May 2023
Chris Deeble 
Deputy Secretary, Capability Acquisition an 
Sustainment Group 
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Estimates Question, 15 February 2023

Capability Sustainment Reporting
Senator Linda White  
Question 
Senator WHITE: I guess what you've described is similar to what many private industry big 
projects would have, so it's surprising it's taken such a long time to get to that point. But 
thank you for that comprehensive answer. Can Defence confirm, from June 2022, how many 
project and sustainment reports on the major projects were published?
Mr Deeble : I would have to take that on notice.
Senator WHITE: The projects and sustainment report was only an interim report. Is that 
right?
Mr Deeble : We're looking at the whole reporting regime. Part of the work that we're doing 
with the Minister for Defence Industry is looking at how to best report, whether that's done 
on a monthly basis for all projects, or whether we provide an aggregate quarterly report. To 
date, we have been reporting on a monthly basis on all post second pass projects.
Senator WHITE: Is that because of the difficulties that were highlighted by the ANAO-the 
underspends and the time drifts et cetera? Is that the reason you're doing it more 
frequently?
Mr Deeble : Yes. It was raised by both DPM and the Minister for Defence Industry in that 
announcement in October last year.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Key witness: Chris Deeble
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Senator WHITE: Just in relation to the project and sustainment report, was this replaced by 
the acquisition sustainment update in late 2021? Am I understanding that correctly, or have I 
missed something?
Mr Deeble : I will take that on notice and I'll be able to give you the chronology of the various 
reporting regimes.
...
Senator WHITE: How many reports have been produced in total? There's quarterly, sort of 
monthly, or not monthly.
Mr Karo: Quarterlies were quarterlies, four a year. Regarding the acquisition sustainment 
update, I would have to give you an on-notice answer for exactly how many were produced, 
but we went through a couple of iterations of those. We also know that the layers here are 
really important. We have the public layers, so the MPR is a really important public layer. The 
annual report is a really important public layer. The ANAO project performance reports are a 
very important public layer. What we're trying to do is make sure that we get the insights, 
internal to the department, to act, but keep an appropriate layer of external reporting as 
well. The monthlies since October have been going to the ministers. We're finding that 
frequency a little bit draining, so we do have to get the right balance on how often we need 
to keep the updates to the ministers and the department versus the analytical effort to 
actually get the insights.
CHAIR: Thank you very much for that response.
Answer 
The last Quarterly Performance Report was produced in June 2020.
The next report, known as the Project and Sustainment Report, was produced in February 
2021.
The following report, known as the Acquisition and Sustainment Update was first produced in 
September 2021, and three were produced in total.
Monthly performance reporting to the Minister for Defence and Minister for Defence 
Industry commenced in October 2022, and cover Projects of Concern, and Projects and 
Products of Interest.
Consolidated reporting has grown to cover most delivery groups, namely CASG, Naval 
Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group, Chief Information Officer Group, Security and Estate 
Group, Defence Science and Technology Group, and the Defence Intelligence Group.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Key witness: Chris Deeble
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Senate Estimates Question, 18 November 2022
Program Governance 
Senator Jim Molan   
Question 
The Minister for Defence and the Minister for Defence Industry made announcements about 
the Department of Defence (Department), defence spending, project budgets and delays on 
10 October 2022
1. Further to the Ministers' announcements, what steps has the Department taken to address 
the concerns raised in those announcements?
2. Please provide an update on the concerns raised and what progress to address the 
concerns has been made since 10 October 2022
3. Has the independent projects and portfolio management office within the Department 
been established, and can the Department explain how it will be independent of the 
Department?
4. How much additional cost is required to fund the activities of this office?
5. Which staff are being redeployed or hired to comprise this office, assuming its 
independence from other parts of the Department, including those engaged in program 
delivery?
6. Please provide copies of the recent monthly reports on Projects of Concern and Projects of 
Interest to the Minister for Defence and Minister for Defence Industry, and provide details of 
briefings. How much additional cost and resource is required in order to implement this 
measure?
7. Provide details of the new formal processes and "early warning" criteria for placing 
projects on the Projects of Concern and Projects of Interest lists
8. Please provide details on progress toward fostering a culture in the Department of raising 
attention to emerging problems and encouraging and enabling early response. Please 
provide details of problems and responses identified
9. Which projects considered 'troubled' have been provided extra resources and skills?
10. Provide details of the costs and benefits of providing such extra resources and skills
11. Provide details of the regular Ministerial summits convened to discuss remediation plans, 
and what remediation plans are in development or in progress, and the Department's role
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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Answer
1, 2. The Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Defence Industry announced six 
measures to strengthen and revitalise Defence’s projects of concern process. Those 
measures are being addressed within a holistic effort to strengthen delivery management 
and performance reporting within Defence. Options and measures have been developed and 
are currently subject to senior level consideration within Defence.
3. The Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Defence Industry announced that the 
independent projects and portfolio office will be established inside Defence. Options have 
been developed and are currently subject to senior level consideration within Defence.
4, 5. The office will be funded by the reallocation of existing resources on a prioritised basis.
6. Defence reports publicly in accordance with Government directions and legislative 
obligations. Reports on Projects of Concern and Projects of Interest contain both 
commercially sensitive and classified information and are not released publicly. There is no 
additional cost or resources required to provide monthly reports to Ministers.
7. Revised processes and criteria are part of the measures being developed and being 
considered by Defence and the Minister for Defence Industry.
8. Increased emphasis is now being placed on reviews and reporting being conducted by line 
managers to drive a culture of identifying and addressing problems early. Projects are also 
assessed independently and assessed by Group Heads, with advice subsequently provided 
through monthly reporting to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence Industry. 
When additional issues are identified, a project may be added to the Projects of Interest or 
Projects of Concern lists. Most recently, the Civil Military Air Traffic Management project (AIR 
5431 Phase 3) was identified as Project of Concern, announced by the Minister for Defence 
Industry in October 2022.
9. Remediation plans for the Projects of Concern and Projects of Interest are tailored to the 
type of support required to get performance back on track. The most common support 
provided is independent advice and support via the conduct of Independent Assurance 
Reviews, and specialist skills (for example project or commercial management) that the 
independent reviewers provide to assist the project managers. Additional resources will also 
be identified through the remediation plans and prioritised accordingly.
10. This support will be provided using existing resources.
11. Ministerial Summits, which include Defence and industry representatives, will consider 
plans to respond to and remediate the Projects of Concern problems. The first Summit under 
the strengthened Projects of Concern regime was held on 2 December 2022 to address the 
most recent addition to the Projects of Concern list, the Civil Military Air Traffic Management 
project (AIR 5431 Phase 3).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Suzanne Kerrigan 
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Assistant Secretary Independent Project and Portfolio 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Management Office
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition an Sustainment Group 
Division: Strategy, Planning and Independent Assurance Division
Phone: s22
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Phone: s22
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This will be partially offset by the existing $24 billion provision for the Attack class 
submarine program and includes funding to support the industrial base, 
workforce, infrastructure, rotational presence of the United States and United 
Kingdom, and procuring the Virginia class submarine to ensure Australia has no 
capability gap.

Government currently estimates spending to amount to around 0.15 per cent of Gross 
Domestic Product per year, averaged over the program. 

This will contribute to the Government’s commitment to lift Defence spending to 
over 2 per cent of Gross Domestic Product per year.
If asked: Why is such a significant portion of funding allocated to contingency?

The contingency component falls within the cost estimate of 0.15 per cent of GDP – it is 
not in addition to it.  

There are a range of complex variables that will affect costs over the life of the program. 

The costs of the program reflect not just the acquisition of SSN-AUKUS, but also a range 
of measures to ensure we are ready and capable of building, operating, sustaining and 
regulating this platform. 

Investment in the program will support industry, workforce, infrastructure and other 
critical components which contribute to the delivery of this capability. 
If pressed: How much will each Virginia/SSN-AUKUS cost?

The whole cost is $9 billion over the forward estimates, then $50-58 billion over the 
decade. 

We are providing whole of life costs so we can be transparent with the Australian 
community about what they are getting and what the cost estimate is.
If asked: If the Virginia Class is seen as a suitable solution for the Royal Australian Navy from 
the early 2030s, why not build Virginia submarines for Australia so we have just one class of 
submarine? 

The Virginia class submarine is projected to cease production in the United States in the 
2040s which will see the United States reorient its supply chain and production for its 
next generation fast attack submarine (SSN-X).

If Australia were to be building Virginia class submarines long after the United States 
has finished and reoriented to SSN-X, we could be facing supply chain, industrial base 
and design upgrade challenges. 

Australia will follow the United Kingdom in its production of the first SSN-AUKUS and 
both countries will be building the same submarine for several decades thereby 
realising efficiencies in supply chain, industrial base and design for upgrades as 
required.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If pressed: How much will Government spend in Australia?

Over the Forward Estimates $6 billion will be invested in Australian industry and 
workforce.

Government will invest at least $2 billion in South Australia infrastructure alone 
and at least $1 billion in infrastructure in Western Australia over the Forward 
Estimates.

Government estimates $30 billion will be invested in Australia’s industrial base 
alone out to 2055.
If pressed: Why are we investing in the United States and United Kingdom?

The contribution to the United States industrial base is a down payment on securing 
the early delivery of three Virginia class submarines. The United States will be 
expanding production to accommodate us.

The contribution to the United Kingdom will be a targeted investment as we partner in 
the production of SSN-AUKUS.
If pressed: How much is Australia investing in the United States and United Kingdom industrial 
bases?

Negotiations are still underway. 

It is premature to release figures at this stage as we would jeopardise Australia's 
negotiating position.
s33(a)(iii)
Industry and Workforce

Over the next 30 years, our nuclear-powered submarine program is expected to 
support around 20,000 direct jobs across industry, ADF and APS.

We are working with our AUKUS partners on ways to build the nuclear skills of our 
industry, submariner and public service workforce to be sovereign ready for Australia’s 
first nuclear-powered submarines as soon as the early 2030s.

A further 4,000 to 5,500 direct jobs are expected to be supported to build the nuclear-
powered submarines in South Australia when the program reaches its peak in 20-30 
years.

This almost double the workforce forecast for the Attack class program. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Australian industry will have the opportunity to become participants not just in the 
build and sustainment of Australia’s SSN-AUKUS fleet, but also contribute to a robust 
and resilient trilateral supply chain.

Work is already underway to develop the education and training pathways needed to 
support the enterprise. We are working directly with Australian universities to expand 
the offerings available for Australians who wish to study nuclear science and 
engineering and will work closely with the vocational sector to deliver technical and 
trade offerings. 
If asked: What does the cooperation arrangement with South Australia involve? 

The Cooperative Agreement, co-signed by the Premier for South Australia and Deputy 
Prime Minister on 15 March 2023, seeks to guide the negotiation and realisation of 
activities related to Australia’s acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines. 

Under this agreement, the Commonwealth and South Australian Government will 
progress an exchange of land to facilitate the development of a new Skills and Training 
Academy and the future nuclear-powered submarine construction yard. 

The exchange of land will include exchanging Defence-owned land at Smithfield 
and Keswick to support South Australian urban renewal projects, in consideration 
for the land required at Osborne. 

The Skills and Training Academy will be co-designed by the Commonwealth and 
State Governments and developed in consultation with industry and unions. We 
will start training people before the Academy is actually built - leveraging existing 
facilities and tailored training programs to support the initial growth and 
development required to respond to the demands of the optimal pathway.
 The agreement will increase Commonwealth Supported Places to South Australia 
Universities over the next four years, focused on STEM disciplines in professional 
engineering (mechanical, electrical, chemical), computer science, mathematics, 
chemistry, physics, psychology and management. The Commonwealth will 
allocate an additional 800 places to South Australia Universities over the next four 
years, with the first 200 places commencing in 2024.
 Non-proliferation

Australia’s submarines will not carry nuclear weapons. The only nuclear aspect of the 
program will be the power source for the submarine propulsion system.

Australia is a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of 
Nuclear Weapons and will remain so, as has been consistently made clear by the 
Government.

Naval nuclear propulsion was foreseen by the drafters of the Non-Proliferation of 
Nuclear Weapons and Article 14 is the specific provision that was included in the 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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International Atomic Energy Agency’s draft Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement to 
facilitate it.
If pressed: Will Australia be in breach of its obligations under the Treaty of Rarotonga?

No. Naval nuclear propulsion is consistent with Australia's obligations under the South 
Pacific Nuclear Free Zone Treaty (Treaty of Rarotonga).
If pressed: How can you say Australia is committed to non-proliferation when we have decided 
to use Highly Enriched Uranium?

The nuclear fuel Australia receives cannot be used in nuclear weapons without further 
chemical processing, requiring facilities that Australia does not have and will not seek.
International engagement 

Australia conducted significant diplomatic outreach ahead of the AUKUS Optimal 
Pathway announcement.

Over 75 calls were made by ministers and senior officials in the days leading to 
and following the announcement. 
Radioactive Waste

As a responsible nuclear steward, Australia will manage all radioactive waste from its 
nuclear-powered submarines in Australia, including:

Low-level, operational waste generated by day-to-day submarine operations and 
sustainment, and spent fuel and intermediate-level waste that will be produced 
once Australia’s submarines reach end-of-life.

Operational waste will be stored at Defence locations until a disposal pathway is 
identified.

Over 2023, Defence, in consultation with relevant agencies including the Australian 
Radioactive Waste Agency, will conduct a review of the current or future Defence 
estate to identify possible locations suitable for the storage and disposal of 
intermediate and high-level radioactive waste, including spent nuclear fuel. 
If pressed: Will Traditional Owners be consulted?

The Government is firmly committed to consulting affected communities after the 
results of the technical review are known.
Regulation and Legislation
[Handling Note: This section needs to be reviewed subject to introduction of legislation to 
Parliament in the Winter Session (commencing the week of 8 May)]
If pressed: What legislative arrangements need to be pursued within Australia to ensure the 

Optimal Pathway remains on-track?

Defence anticipates legislative action will be necessary over the coming years to 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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support the acquisition, delivery, operation, sustainment, disposal and specialised 
regulation of nuclear-powered submarines and relevant facilities.
Background 
Timeline of Significant Events


15 March 2024 – Federal and South Australian Governments sign cooperation 
agreement outlining commitment to support construction of nuclear-powered 
submarines.

14 March 2023 – AUKUS leaders announced the Optimal Pathway for Australia’s 
acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines, San Diego.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Senate: 3 March 2023

QoN 65, Workforce demand and skill requirements, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds 
(Liberal, Western Australia) asked for details regarding the department’s plans for 
acquiring the skilled workforce needed to support the nuclear-powered submarine 
program.
Supplementary Budget Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 10, ADM Richardson, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked questions focusing on the specifics of the contract entered into between the 
commonwealth and VADM Richardson. 

QoN 11, ADM Consultants - Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked questions focusing on US Defence consultants.

QoN 45, Nuclear capability, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
sought assurances on nuclear weapons and Australia’s non-proliferation obligations.

QoN 22, AUKUS Report, Senator the Hon. Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South Australia) 
asked when the Optimal Pathway was provided to the government. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

On 25 January 2023 an individual sought access to documentation provided by the 
Department to the Minister for Defence, the Minister for Defence Industry and/or the 
Secretary of the Department of Defence that relate to the implementation in Australia 
of administrative arrangements arising from the Technical and Security Annexes of the 
Agreement for the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information. Status: Released 
to applicant on 10 March 2023, nil documents exist. 

On 8 November 2022, an individual sought access to copies of any advices, reports, 
emails, cables, WhatsApp messages, notes, documents, briefs, talking points from 
and/or to the Minister Dutton, his office or the Dept between the timeframe 1 January 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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2021 - 30 September 2021 in response to AUKUS announcement on 16 September 
2021. Status: Released to applicant on 5 January 2023 with full access to one 
document, partial access to a second with redactions applied on the grounds of 
adverse impact on international relations

On 26 July 2022, an individual sought access to documentation relating to Deputy 
Secretary Strategic Policy & Industry Group communications relating to the decision to 
acquire nuclear-powered submarines as part of the AUKUS agreement. Status: 
Released to applicant on 12 December 2022 with partial access. 
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 24 March 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister appeared on the Today Show and 
defended Australia’s decision to acquire nuclear-powered submarines after Paul 
Keating criticised the move. 

On 22 March 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister provided a statement to the House of 
Representatives reiterating the importance of the Optimal Pathway to maintaining 
Australia’s national security. 

On 19 March 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister appeared on interview with ABC Insiders 
where he explained the rationale behind acquiring nuclear-powered submarines. 

On 14 March 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister released a media statement explaining 
the significance of the announcement of the Optimal Pathway.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 16 March 2023, ABC News published an article titled, “State premiers disagree over 
who should host nuclear waste from AUKUS submarines.” Journalists Eugene Boisvert, 
James Carmody, Leah MacLennan, and Lucas Forbes reported that there was growing 
discontent among premiers about where nuclear waste from AUKUS submarines will be 
stored.

On 15 March 2023, Paul Keating released a statement titled, “AUKUS Statement by PJ 
Keating, The National Press Club.” Mr Keating criticised the AUKUS agreement as an 
unnecessary provocation of China and an affront to Australian sovereignty.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Division:
Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
PDR No: 
SB23-000390
Prepared by: 
Cleared by Division Head: 
Leisa Craig, Assistant Secretary Media & 
Megan Lees, First Assistant Secretary 
Communications
Executive, NPSTF
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
   
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 18 April 2023
Consultation: Nil
Cleared by DSR:
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
DSR Task Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 10 May 2023  
Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead, Chief, Nuclear Powered 
Submarine Taskforce
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023
VADM Richardson
Senator Jordan Steele-John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Beyond that provision-of-advice role, does the former admiral have 
any other roles with the department?
Vice Adm. Mead: If you're talking about the Department of Defence, not that I'm aware of—
not in a formal, contractual sense. He has obviously established many strong relationships 
with Navy people in Australia, and they would make contact, I assume, but not in a formal 
sense.
Mr Moriarty: I'm not aware of any other contractual arrangements, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Could you take that on notice and just provide us a clear answer?
Mr Moriarty: Certainly.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: When was the admiral hired by Department of Defence to take on this 
advice role?
Vice Adm. Mead: Quarter 3 last year, but I can get the exact dates for you.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, if you could take that on notice or provide them by the end of the 
session, that'd be really good. Prior to being employed by Australia, what was the admiral's 
role in the United States?
Vice Adm. Mead: He was retired from his work in the US Navy, and I understand he was 
serving on a number of board positions with some US companies.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Do you know which US companies he was serving on the board of?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Vice Adm. Mead: We did have a list of that. We sought legal advice on Admiral Richardson. 
We got him to fill in probity forms and non-disclosure agreements as well, and we've been 
very careful to make sure his advice is very specific to the questions that remain within the 
guidelines.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Can you provide us with the list of boards that Admiral Richardson was 
on prior to his commencement with the department?
Vice Adm. Mead: We'll seek to do that, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: It's my understanding that the admiral was Chief of Naval Operations 
in the United States from 2015 until 2019. That'd be the highest ranking position in the US 
Navy. Can you confirm this? 
Vice Adm. Mead: That's correct, Senator. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Prior to this he was the director of naval propulsion, meaning he 
oversaw basically everything nuclear related within the US Navy. Can you confirm that was 
his role? 
Vice Adm. Mead: That's correct, Senator. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Was the admiral paid through a consulting firm as part of his 
employment with the department? 
Vice Adm. Mead: He was paid via a company which he had set up himself.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Which company was that?
Vice Adm. Mead: I would have to get back to you on that, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: He is currently still an employee of the Department of Defence; is that 
right?
Vice Adm. Mead: We have him on a contract not to exceed a number of days per year. We 
have not employed him in 2023. This calendar year he has not been on service.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: So is it part time or full time?
Vice Adm. Mead: Very much part time. When we have specific tasks, questions or complex 
problems which come our way that we don't have the subject matter expertise for, we reach 
in for his assistance.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Is it like a number of days he's contracted for?
Vice Adm. Mead: Correct. I think it's not to exceed a hundred days over a two to three-year 
period, but I can get those details for you.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Not to exceed a hundred days over a two-year period?
Vice Adm. Mead: It's akin to that, but I can get you the details.
Answer
Admiral John Richardson USN (Retd) has provided advice to the Department since November 
2022. Admiral Richardson is engaged on a 12-month contract. The contract includes two 12-
month extension options at the Commonwealth’s discretion. Admiral Richardson’s only 
contractual arrangement with the Department of Defence is for providing advice to the 
Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce. Admiral Richardson was required to declare his other 
relevant interests at the time his contract commenced with the Department of Defence.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 10 May 2023
Nuclear Powered Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 3
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023
ADM Consultants
Senator Jordan Steele-John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: In the answers you provided on notice in relation to Rear Admiral 
Thomas Eccles, Vice Admiral William Hilarides and Admiral Kirkland Donald, the combined 
total of the payments made to those three individuals was some $5.3 million. Can you 
confirm that was the answer you gave to us?
Mr Dalton: The response we gave you in that question on notice is the maximum amount 
they could be paid if they worked all of the days they were allowed to work under their 
contract, so their individual payments will be a total less than that sum. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: How much have they been paid to this point?
Mr Dalton: I'll take that on notice, Senator
Senator STEELE-JOHN: In that context, then, I'm very keen to know how much Admiral 
Richardson has been paid by the department to this point. What is the value of his contract 
those 100 days over two years?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'll take that on notice, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: And what's the duration of the contract that former Admiral 
Richardson is under?
Vice Adm. Mead: I believe it's approximately two to three years, but I'll take that on notice.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Given it is a structure to exceed no more than a certain period of time 
over a certain number of days, if you break it down, how much are we paying these 
individuals per hour for their advice?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'd have to take that on notice, Senator.
Answer
Admiral John Richardson USN (Retd) has provided advice to Department since November 
2022. Admiral Richardson has been paid $33,476.64 (excluding GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Admiral Richardson is engaged on a 12-month contract. The contract includes two 12-month 
extension options at the Commonwealth’s discretion. 
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department from December 2017 
to 2022. Admiral Donald was paid $297,319.97 (excluding GST). 
Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. 
Vice Admiral Hilarides has been paid $1,582,430.82 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. Rear 
Admiral Eccles has been paid $699,118.68 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Individual payment rates for Admiral Richardson, Admiral Donald, Vice Admiral Hilarides and 
Rear Admiral Eccles are commercially sensitive.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000390
Last updated: 10 May 2023
Nuclear Powered Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 3
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023
AUKUS report 
Senator Simon Birmingham
Spoken Question
Senator BIRMINGHAM: I'd just add to the earlier comments and thank the retiring officials 
who are present for your service—some of whom I'm sure we haven't heard the last of 
today. I'd like to turn to the AUKUS task force. Has the AUKUS task force reported in relation 
to future nuclear-powered submarine capabilities and recommendations?
Vice Adm. Mead: The task force has worked with our partners, and we've provided continual 
updates to government on the nuclear-powered submarine program, including the Optimal 
Pathway.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: You have now provided a recommendation in relation to the Optimal 
Pathway, or a report in relation to the Optimal Pathway?
Vice Adm. Mead: We have.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: When was that provided to government?
Vice Adm. Mead: Earlier this year.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: Was that yesterday, last week, a couple of months ago—well, a 
month ago?
Vice Adm. Mead: Earlier this year.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: Vice Admiral Mead, I appreciate there are elements of this that are of 
course confidential, but the timing of provision of a report to government rarely is and is fair 
game for estimates questions. So let me ask again: when was the report with 
recommendations in relation to the Optimal Pathway provided to government?
Senator Wong: We'll take that on notice.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: Senator Wong, I do get the impression that Vice Admiral Mead—I'm 
happy for him to answer in the general, whether it was yesterday, last week or last month. 
He said earlier this year. I get the impression he knows. I'm pretty sure this is a fairly 
significant thing he would remember.
Senator Wong: Yes, and we will take it on notice.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: It doesn't need to be taken on notice.
Senator Wong: The minister has the discretion to do that. I will take it on notice.
Senator BIRMINGHAM: On what basis are you seeking to take it on notice?
Senator Wong: So I can ascertain what we can tell you. If we can be helpful, we will. I would 
anticipate that there will be engagement with the opposition at an appropriate time. You 
know these are sensitive matters. These are highly classified matters. You know that before 
you made the announcement the then opposition was briefed by the Prime Minister on the 
day of the announcement or maybe the day before. So we'll probably do a bit better than 
that. I'm not trying to be difficult, Senator Birmingham. I don't want the official put in a 
difficult position. I'd like to take it on notice.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000390
Last updated: 10 May 2023
Nuclear Powered Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 3
Answer
The recommendation on the Optimal Pathway was provided to Government earlier this year.
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023
Nuclear capability
Senator Jordan Steele-John
Written Question
1. Can the government confirm that any Australian nuclear-propelled submarines would not:
a. Carry nuclear weapons owned by another nation, under any circumstances?
b. Be capable of carrying nuclear weapons?
2. Can the government confirm that Australian nuclear-propelled submarines would not be 
engaged to assist with the use of nuclear weapons by another country?
3. Can the government confirm that it will abide by its obligations under the Rarotonga 
Treaty not to station nuclear weapons in Australia under the Rarotonga Treaty?
4. Will the government confirm that any B-52 aircraft that are stationed in Australia will only 
be conventionally-capable, and not nuclear-capable?
5. Will the government confirm that any other possible future US aircraft stationed in 
Australia will not carry nuclear weapons?
Answer
1. a-b.)Australia’s nuclear-powered submarines will not be armed with nuclear weapons. As a 
non-nuclear-weapon State Party under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear 
Weapons, Australia does not – and will not – seek to acquire nuclear weapons. The only 
nuclear aspect of the program will be the power source for the submarine propulsion system. 
Australia’s acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines will proceed in a manner that is fully 
consistent with its non-proliferation obligations and commitments. 
2. Australia’s nuclear-powered submarines will be owned and operated by Australia, under 
sovereign Australian command and subject to Australia’s non-proliferation obligations and 
commitments. 
3. Stationing nuclear weapons in Australia is prohibited by the South Pacific Nuclear Free 
Zone Treaty, to which Australia is fully committed.  
4. See response to question 3. 
5. See response to question 3.  
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000390
Last updated: 10 May 2023
Nuclear Powered Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 3
Supplementary Budget Estimates 03 March 2023
AUKUS Workforce 
Senator Linda Reynolds
Written Question
1. Does the Department of Defence believe there are sufficient qualified, skilled and
experienced workers in the Australian labor market to support the Nuclear Powered
Submarine program development and maintenance without relying on increased skilled
migration? If so, why?
2. Has the Department undertaken any modelling on the labor force requirements for
AUKUS submarines and what proportion of that labor force might need to come from
overseas in the first instance to provide the experience with nuclear powered submarines
and their associated ecosystems?
3. A) If so, when will this be released to industry to include SME to understand the scale of
the gap and where they might access this labor force and what steps the government is
taking to ensure access to these people?
4. B) If not, how does the department believe it will ensure access to appropriately qualified,
skilled and experienced people to provide the breadth of industrial capabilities around the
NPS ecosystem?
5. Has the Capability and Acquisition Sustainment Group updated relevant industry panels to
integrate new skillsets, like nuclear power qualified expertise required for the NPS
ecosystem?
6. Does the government believe that the NPS ecosystem labor force will have enhanced
mobility across the AUKUS partners to avoid the “zero sum” risk of protectionism and/or
“poaching” between nations?
7. A) If so, what steps have been agreed between the partners to allow this mobility to
service all the AUKUS partners NPS ecosystems?
8. B) If not has agreement been reached on how Australia will access these knowledge Skills
and experience without affecting partners NPS plans?
9. Has the department developed a faster system to provide appropriate visas to AUKUS
partners working on the NPS? If not, have the current excessive delays in processing
skilled visas been factored into the planning for how long it will be before Australia can
build a NPS?
Answer
Workforce demand and skill requirements for the nuclear-powered submarine program are 
being developed by the Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce in collaboration with our 
AUKUS partners. Education and skilling pathways are also being identified and created to 
support the acquisition and sustainment of nuclear-powered submarines, and the greater 
Australian nuclear enterprise across industry, Navy and government. We are working closely 
with our AUKUS partners to identify where skilled and technically expert personnel from our 
partner nations can best support the workforce growth required. Administrative 
arrangements to support the workforce requirements will be developed across government.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Leisa Craig
Name: Megan Lees
Position: Assistant Secretary Media & Communications
Position: Chief Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Branch: Parliamentary and Governance
Group: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000391
Last updated: 11 May 2023
                               East Coast Nuclear-Powered Submarine Facility
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Vice Admiral Jonathon Mead; Vice Admiral Mark Hammond
Document 4

HMAS Stirling remains home to Australia’s submarine capability, supporting the 
operation of the Collins class, future nuclear-powered submarines and visits by partner 
navy nuclear-powered submarines.

Following the announcement of the AUKUS Nuclear-Powered Submarine Optimal 
Pathway, HMAS Stirling will support an ongoing rotational presence of United Kingdom 
Astute and United States of America Virginia class submarines from 2027. 

Infrastructure works at HMAS Stirling are planned to support the increasing submarine 
workforce and the rotational presence required by 2027. 

Over the next decade, the Australian Government will invest up to $8 billion to expand 
HMAS Stirling.

Work continues to confirm and intensively examine the full suite of requirements that 
underpin nuclear stewardship.
Background 

In 2017, Navy conducted a Strategic Review of Submarine Force Disposition to assess 
future options, given the submarine force was planned to expand from six to twelve 
conventional submarines.

The Review recommended a two-ocean basing concept be further considered to 
ensure the larger submarine force would continue to meet Government needs in a 
sustainable and safe manner.

In 2018, a submarine facilities scoping study considered basing options, including 
two-ocean basing, which informed the Submarine Capability Transition Plan.

Project SEA1000 Phase 6 Undersea Warfare Support Facilities and Infrastructure was 
established to support transition from the Collins class submarines and introduction of 
the expanded Attack class fleet.

SEA 1000 Phase 6 was merged into SEA 1010 Phase 1 Undersea Warfare Support 
Facilities and Infrastructure through the October 2020 Integrated Investment Program 
Biannual Update.

On 16 September 2021, the former Government announced cancellation of the Attack 
class submarine program and the intention to acquire at least eight nuclear-powered 
submarines with the assistance of the United Kingdom and United States of America.

On 07 March 2022, the former Prime Minister announced a future east coast base, 
along with three options for the final location of the base: 
-
Port of Newcastle;
-
Port of Brisbane (on or around Fisherman Island); and 
-
Port Kembla. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Pat Sowry
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Estate Planning
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
 
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000391
Last updated: 11 May 2023
                               East Coast Nuclear-Powered Submarine Facility
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Vice Admiral Jonathon Mead; Vice Admiral Mark Hammond
Document 4

The three sites were selected as options following a Defence review which considered 
19 sites against a range of basing criteria:
-
Queensland - Cairns, Townsville, Gladstone, Brisbane; 
-
New South Wales - Port Stephens, Newcastle, Broken Bay, HMAS Penguin, HMAS 
Waterhen, Cockatoo Island, Bays Precinct, Garden Island Defence Precinct, 
Botany Bay, Port Kembla, Bass Point, Jervis Bay, Twofold Bay;
-
Victoria - Western Port; and 
-
Tasmania - Hobart.

The basing criteria used for assessing the sites included access to exercise operating 
areas, proximity to industrial infrastructure, and proximity to significant population 
centres to support personnel and recruitment.

The analysis was based on a desktop assessment only. The engagement process is 
allowing for a full feasibility assessment of all sites.

Defence has completed an independent review of the east coast base site assessment 
criteria to validate and ensure accuracy in site determination.

Formal engagement with the Queensland Government commenced on 5 July 2022 and 
with the New South Wales Government on 15 July 2022. 

In response to the Defence Strategic Review, the Government has committed to 
developing a process to consider all feasible options for an east coast facility with a 
decision on the location to be made later in this decade.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In January 2023, a request was made to access documentation relating to Defence’s 
Estimates briefing folder used at the November 2022 Senate Estimates hearings. The 
brief related to East Coast Basing was released without redaction.

In January 2022, a media organisation sought access under the Freedom of Information 
Act to documentation relating to the selection of the three locations for a new east 
coast base. An exemption was applied and documents were not released. 
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 16 August 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister said Australia is a two-ocean nation and 
we need to ensure the ability to operate right around the nation. 
Relevant Media Reporting 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Pat Sowry
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Estate Planning
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
 
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000391
Last updated: 11 May 2023
            East Coast Nuclear-Powered Submarine Facility
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Vice Admiral Jonathon Mead; Vice Admiral Mark Hammond
Document 4

On 04 April 2023, ABC News published an article titled East coast nuclear submarine 
base decision likely to be made after next federal election. Journalists Andrew Greene 
and Kelly Fuller reported on the Assistant Minister for Defence’s comments that no 
future east coast naval base site had been identified yet, and that a new east coast 
base is “not needed” until the 2040s.

Multiple media articles across multiple platforms speculating on the location and port 
access for the future nuclear submarines at the time of the nuclear-powered 
submarine announcement.

On 17 March 2023, the Guardian published an article titled Wollongong residents react 
angrily to reports Port Kembla will be east coast base for AUKUS submarines. Journalist 
Paul Karp wrote that there were Maritime Union, local council and community 
concerns about reports of Port Kembla being the preferred site for a new east coast 
base.

On 13 March 2023, ABC News published an article titled Concerns Port Kembla could 
be a military target if it becomes an Australian nuclear submarine base. Journalist 
Jessica Clifford reports that the Chief Executive Officer of NSW Ports, Marika Calfas, has 
no details on Defence’s potential needs for an east coast base at Port Kembla.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Pat Sowry
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Estate Planning
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
 
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000391
Last updated: 11 May 2023
                               East Coast Nuclear-Powered Submarine Facility
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Vice Admiral Jonathon Mead; Vice Admiral Mark Hammond
Document 4
Division:
Infrastructure
PDR No: 
SB23-000391 
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Pat Sowry, Assistant Secretary, Estate 
Dan Fankhauser, First Assistant Secretary 
Planning
Infrastructure, Infrastructure Division
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 31 March 2023
Date:  27 April 2023
Consultation: Navy
Date: 31 March 2023
CDRE Nathan Robb, Director General 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Logistics
Consultation:  Navy
Date: 31 March 2023
CDRE Thomas Phillips, Director General 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Submarines
Consultation:  Nuclear-Powered Submarine 
Date: 31 March 2023
Taskforce
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
AIRCDRE Jacqueline Churchill, Director 
General Nuclear Power Submarine 
Capability Support
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date: 28 April 2023
Alison West, First Assistant Secretary Integration, 
Defence Strategic Review
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 11 May 2023
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary Security and Estate
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Pat Sowry
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Estate Planning
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
Phone: s47E(d) , s22
 
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR: SB23-000392
Last Update: 23 May 2023
Collins class Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: John Chandler
Document 5

The first submarine to be life-extended will be HMAS Farncomb from mid-2026.

The Government approved scope for the Life of Type Extension project is for the design 
and acquisition of long lead items that will be installed during the life-of-type extension 
full-cycle dockings. 
What work will be delivered through Life of Type Extension project and what is the cost?

Long-term assurance of the Collins class Submarine capability is dependent on the 
successful implementation of the life-of-type extension involving the Collins Life of Type 
Extension project, integrated with effective ongoing sustainment, and selected 
capability enhancements.
-
The Life of Type Extension project will remediate the highest technical risks to 
extending the service life of each submarine by one 10 year operating cycle.
-
Effective ongoing sustainment underpins the availability of the Collins class 
Submarine.
-
Selected capability enhancements are designed to assure the Collins fleet retains 
a capability advantage.

The Life of Type Extension project will involve changes to the equipment in the 
submarine within the original design parameters for the Collins class Submarine.

The Life of Type Extension core work package includes updates to diesel generators, 
the main motor, power conversion equipment and optronics.

At the time of first pass approval, the total cost estimate of the Collins Life of Type 
Extension project was within the $4.3 to $6.4 billion public cost envelope. The detailed 
cost estimate developed with industry will be considered by Government at second 
pass.
What is the risk profile of the Collins Life of Type Extension project?

Defence assesses the risks of extending the life of the Collins class Submarines to be 
significant, but manageable. This assessment has not changed since first pass.

The core work package to extend the life of each Collins class Submarine is planned to 
be inserted during scheduled full-cycle dockings commencing from mid-2026. This will 
include treatments for the highest risks.

Within the planned docking periods, life extension work has risk associated with scope, 
cost and schedule. Defence is working closely with ASC Pty Ltd to manage the planned 
activities within the approved resources and docking windows.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR: SB23-000392
Last Update: 23 May 2023
Collins class Submarines
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: John Chandler
Document 5
Is Collins class availability being met?

Recent Collins class Submarine availability is marginally below agreed targets due to the 
impacts of COVID-19, the repair of damage in HMAS Waller from a one-off fire and to 
allow time for capability enhancements.

Demonstrating the robustness of the current sustainment system, even during the 
pandemic, Defence was able to remain above 85 per cent of the key availability 
benchmark, regaining agreed availability targets in early 2023.
Why was HMAS Collins in dock for five and a half years last decade?

As a consequence of the 2012 Coles review, HMAS Collins was kept in extended 
maintenance from mid-2012 until mid-2018 to key into the new usage and upkeep 
cycle recommended by the review. That decision resulted in a fundamental 
transformation in how Defence maintains it submarine capability and led to the fleet 
consistently exceeding international benchmarks of availability from 2016. 
Is there an increasing number of incidents occurring in Collins class Submarines?

No. Fire is a constant threat for all classes of ships and submarines and this incident is 
not an indication of any broader problems in Navy’s Submarine Force.

The Collins class Submarines remain a highly capable and safe platform.

Our submariners have responded swiftly and appropriately to all incidents, in line with 
their rigorous training.  
Does an aging submarine have more incidents?

Robust in-service sustainment coupled with a rigorous safety system is designed to 
reduce the prevalence of age related defects and prevent them from compounding to 
create an incident.  

It is erroneous to automatically link an aging platform to an increased rate of incidents 
without consideration of the maintenance and safety systems in place.
What is Defence’s approach to the Collins Life of Type Extension project?

Defence has adopted a risk-based approach to the Collins Life of Type Extension 
project.

Initial project scope was selected to treat the highest technical risks to achieving the 
amended planned withdrawal dates and includes updates to diesel engines, main 
propulsion, and power conversion equipment. 

The projects core work package will be integrated with ongoing sustainment and 
selected capability upgrades, and delivered through full cycle dockings (nominally two 
years in duration) from mid-2026.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If pressed: Is Saab Kockums involved in the Life of Type Extension project?

With Defence support, ASC has engaged Saab Kockums to support Life of Type 
Extension project activities.
If pressed: Intellectual Property License with Sweden.
We expect to be in a position in the near future to make an announcement on Intellectual 
Property developments. 
Is Defence equipping Collins class Submarines with Tomahawk?

Defence is engaging with the United States Navy to explore the feasibility of fitting the 
Collins class Submarines with Tomahawk cruise missiles.
What Collins capability enhancements are underway or planned?

Defence is continuing to deliver selected capability upgrades, including for 
communications, electronic warfare suite and sonar across the Collins class Submarine.

SEA1439 Phase 3: Collins Reliability and Sustainability Improvement Project – 
$422.273 million.

SEA1439 Phase 3.1: Collins ISCMMS (Integrated Ship Control, Management and 
Monitoring System) Obsolescence Remediation Project – $112.988 million 
($112.338 million is the Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group element of 
approved funding. Balance of funding is for other inputs to capability).

SEA1439 Phase 5B2: Collins Communications and Electronic Warfare 
Improvement – $645.220 million ($614.137 million is the Naval Shipbuilding and 
Sustainment Group element of approved funding. Balance of funding is for other 
inputs to capability).

SEA1439 Phase 6: Collins Sonar Upgrade Project – $864.639 million 
($862.989 million is the Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group element of 
approved funding. Balance of funding is for other inputs to capability).

SEA1439 Phase 7: Collins Weapons and Deployables – $66.426 million.

Life-of-type extension Optronics – $376.108 million.
What is the level of Australian Industry Content for Collins class Submarines?

The Minister for Defence Industry has stated, “having a local industry is critical for 
sustaining platforms and giving a key critical advantage. There are areas where Defence 
should maximise local industry content as it gives us a sovereign capability that we 
need to maintain within Australia.”

Based on the current contractual reporting obligations of the Collins class Submarine 
industry partners, around 90 per cent of the ongoing platform sustainment budget is 
spent in Australia.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Defence maintains direct arrangements with ASC, Raytheon Australia, Thales Australia, 
BAE Systems Australia, PMB Defence and James Fisher Defence Australia in support of 
the Collins class. 
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Each of these companies maintain their own supply chains engaging Australian
small to medium enterprises.

At 01 April 2023, the total ASC in-service support contract workforce headcount was 
1,611 and the ASC Life of Type Extension project full-time-equivalent workforce was 
211.
Australian Submarine Agency 

On 06 May 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister announced that the Australian 
Government will establish a new agency and regulator to deliver Australia’s 
conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarines.

The new agency will be called the Australian Submarine Agency (ASA). The ASA will be 
established by Executive Order and will be responsible and accountable for the 
management and oversight of Australia’s nuclear-powered submarine program. The 
Nuclear-Powered Submarine Taskforce will transition to the ASA on 01 July 2023.

At the appropriate time, the ASA will assume responsibility for the ongoing materiel 
delivery of Australia’s Collins class submarine capability to Navy including for effective 
ongoing sustainment, selected capability upgrades and life-of-type extension. This 
recognises that the pathway to Australia’s nuclear-powered submarine capability starts 
with Collins, and that continuity of Australia’s submarine capability relies on 
management of the Collins class in conjunction with the nuclear-powered submarine 
pathway.

Australian submarines, both conventional and nuclear-powered, will continue to be 
operated by the Royal Australian Navy.
Background 

Following the decision to cancel the Attack-class Submarine Program and the 
Government’s announcement (14 March 2023) on the optimal pathway to acquire 
nuclear-powered submarines, the successful execution of the Collins class life-of-type 
extension remains a priority. 

This includes a dedicated Life of Type Extension project, integrated with effective 
ongoing sustainment, and selected capability enhancements.

Early planning to extend the service life of the Collins class Submarines started in 2011. 

Substantive work on the Life of Type Extension project commenced in 2016-17 
supported by funding from the Future Submarine Program. This work informed 
development of the program and further requirements that are being funded under 
separate Government approvals.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Funding for the Life of Type Extension project has been transferred to Collins 
sustainment and is listed under the sustainment funding line known as CN62. 
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The Collins class Life of Type Extension project achieved First Pass Government 
approval in June 2021.
Timeline of Significant Events
Date
Action
18 April 2022
The former Government announced the Collins class Submarine 
periscope upgrade (optronics) during a press conference at 
Osborne in South Australia.
16 September 2021
The former Government announced the Life of Type Extension 
project will be conducted on all six Collins class Submarines at 
Osborne in South Australia.
June 2021
Government first pass approval for the Collins Life of Type 
Extension project.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 830, Collins class Life of Type Extension, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham 
(Liberal, South Australia) asked to be provided with the current status of Collins life-of-
type extension planning and Navy leadership and personnel readiness for current and 
nuclear-powered submarines.

QoN 8, ASC workforce, Senator David Fawcett (Liberal, South Australia) asked about 
ASC’s workforce for Collins sustainment and the Life of Type Extension project.

QoN 20, Collins Life of Type Extension AIC, Senator David Fawcett, (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked about Australian industry involvement in the Collins Life of Type 
Extension project.

QoN 99, Collins Life of Type Extension, Senator Linda White (Labor, Victoria) asked 
about the current status of the Collins Life of Type Extension project. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In March 2023, an individual sought access to documents relating to Collins full-cycle 
docking/life-of-type extension requirements, schedule and planning activity documents 
as a result of the AUKUS announcement, as part of a broader request for documents 
related to the nuclear-powered submarine pathway. There was no in-scope Collins 
class Submarine documents identified.

 In September 2022, a media organisation sought access to documents relating to at 
sea incidents of the Collins class Submarines over the last 10 years. Documents were 
released on 14 November 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 14 March 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to questions relating to the 
Collins class Submarine life-of-type extension.

On 14 March 2023, the Foreign Minister responded to questions relating to the Collins 
class Submarine life-of-type extension.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 01 May 2023, ABC’s Four Corners aired a report Going Nuclear: Australia’s high risk 
submarine gamble. Journalist Angus Griggs investigated Australia’s nuclear ambitions. 
The report criticised the availability of the Collins class Submarines. 

On 20 March 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Collins class subs to pack 
extra punch with Tomahawk missiles. Journalist Greg Sheridan speculated that as part 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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of the Defence Strategic Review the Government will equip the Collins class 
Submarines with Tomahawk cruise missiles.

On 14 March 2023, Naval News published an article titled, Fate of Collins class LOTE 
unclear. The article speculates that the Collins class Life of Type project may be 
“cancelled or rolled back”.

On 10 March 2023, The Advertiser published an article titled, Libs make waves but 
Collins class upgrade jobs for SA are not sunk. The article reports an “uncertainty 
around the future of naval programs in Adelaide” and potential job impacts.

On 28 February 2023, The Guardian published an article titled, Mind the capability gap: 
what happens if Collins class submarines retire before nuclear boats are ready? 
Journalist Tory Shepherd reports on the Collins class life-of-type extension and the 
acquisition of nuclear powered submarines. 

On 07 February 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Unions back Collins-
submarine build. Journalist Ben Packham states the Australian Shipbuilding Federation 
of Unions are pushing for six new Collins class Submarines to be built. 

On 01 February 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Marles gives us 
another sinking feeling on subs. Journalist Greg Sheridan reports that there is no 
chance of conventionally powered submarines being acquired as a way to bridge a 
potential capability gap until nuclear powered submarines are delivered. 

On 27 October 2022, The Australian published an article titled, Will upgraded Collins 
last the distance? Journalise Nigel Pittaway reported work such as the Collins class life-
of-type extension hasn’t been undertaken in Australia before and there are many 
unknown factors dependent on their successful completion. 

On 01 October 2022, Defence Technology Review published an article titled, Australia 
gears up for Collins class LOTE. The article discusses a potential capability gap and how 
the Collin class life-of-type extension will form part of ensuring there is no capability 
gap.

On 22 September 2022, ABC News published an article titled, Former navy chief fears 
Australia's Collins class submarines will soon be more 'detectable' than nuclear-
powered boats. Journalist Andrew Green stated that recently retired Vice Admiral 
Michael Noonan warned the ageing Collins class Submarine fleet will become easier to 
detect in an increasingly crowded maritime neighbourhood because they need to 
surface more frequently than nuclear-powered boats.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Division:
Submarines
PDR No: 
SB23-000392
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Commodore Daniel Leraye, Director 
John Chandler, First Assistant Secretary 
General, Collins Submarine Program
Submarines 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 04 April 2023
Date: 23 May 2023  
Consultation:  Navy
Date:  03 May 2023  
Commodore Thomas Phillips, Director 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
General Submarines
Consultation:  Nuclear Powered Submarine 
Date: 05 May 2023  
Task Force
Rear Admiral Matthew Buckley, Head of 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Nuclear Powered Submarine Capability
Cleared by DFG: s47E(d)

Date: 06 April 2023
Acting Director Finance Navy Acquisition
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 24 May 2023  
RADM Wendy Malcolm, Acting Deputy Secretary, Naval 
Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate 

Collins life-of-type extension implementation
Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham
Written Question
Senator the Hon. Simon Birmingham asked the Minister representing the Minister for 
Defence on 28 September 2022:
1.
Can the Minister confirm the progress of decision-making, project and program design
and implementation, and on the governance of the life-of-type-extension for the Collins
class submarine force?
2.
What is the level of preparedness and expected capacity of the Navy’s submarine force
leadership and personnel for current requirements and also the upcoming acquisition
of new submarine technology and capability under AUKUS?
3.
What briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and the Government,
relating to these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Answer
The Minister representing the Minister for Defence has provided the following answer to the 
Senator’s question:
The Collins class Life of Type Extension project achieved First Pass Government approval in 
June 2021 for the design work for the core LOTE work package, including updates and 
upgrades to diesel engines, the main motor and power conversion equipment and 
procurement of first of class main motor equipment.
In December 2021, the then Government approved an optronics capability to be 
implemented in six submarines, as well as interrelated cooling updates. Defence is continuing 
preparations for the Collins life-of-type extension. Governance arrangements are in place.
The total number of qualified submariners in Navy was 865 as of 1 July 2022. Navy is 
implementing a range of attraction, retention and structural initiatives to support the 
recruitment, training and retention of submariners.
A separate Workforce Transition Plan is currently under development to cater for the 
emerging nuclear submarine capability. Future workforce demand and skill requirements for 
the nuclear powered submarines are being developed by the Nuclear Powered Submarine 
Taskforce in collaboration with our AUKUS partners.
Defence routinely briefs Ministers and Government on this matter. These briefings contain 
sensitive material and may adversely impact Defence if released publicly.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
ASC’s workforce for Collins sustainment and the Life of Type Extension project
Senator David Fawcett
Spoken Question
Senator FAWCETT: I will give you two more questions to take on notice. Firstly, I asked you 
before about changes to the ASC workforce. Can you take on notice, and come back to us 
and let us know, how stable their workforce is and whether it has grown as a result of LOTE 
or whether they're struggling to attract key skills, particularly in the engineering space.
Mr Dalton: Mr Whiley addressed some of that on Monday night, but we will take it on notice.
Senator FAWCETT: You can give me a link to his evidence, then, or you can provide it on 
notice, which would be great. And you have very satisfactorily distracted me from my second 
question, so I will think of that and I will come back to you!
Answer
Mr Whiley (CEO and Managing Director of ASC) provided a response that covered part of this 
question at the Finance and Public Administration Committee Senate Estimates on Monday, 
7 November 2022. It is recorded over pages 130 and 131 of the Committee Hansard.
Mr Whiley testified that ASC’s workforce has increased by approximately 10 to 15 percent. 
Mr Whiley noted that 138 of the workers brought into ASC through the Sovereign 
Shipbuilding Talent Pool were being utilised across the Collins work scope. The Department 
can advise that some of the 138 are working directly on Collins LOTE activities, with the 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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remainder working on more routine Collins-related tasks in order to free up experienced ASC 
engineers to work on LOTE activities.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022 
Australian industry involvement in the Collins Life of Type Extension project
Senator David Fawcett
Spoken Question
Senator FAWCETT: Mr Dalton, coming back again to Collins and LOTE, you'd be aware that 
since the Coles review, one of the key successes is the whole enterprise for the Collins and 
the engagement of Australian industry whether that's through reverse engineering the 
Hedemora and support from companies like MacTaggart Scott with periscopes et cetera. 
Having that local industry that has supported ASC and Navy very effectively—that essentially, 
I think, is our baseline. In relation to the much talked figure of about 90 per cent of Australian 
industry support for the through-life support of Collins—whether that's in dollar terms or 
percentage terms of the number of contracts; I'm not quite sure how defence has defined 
that in the past—could you, on notice, baseline that for us and the current work in LOTE? 
And then forecasting forward, as we replace the power train, as we replace periscopes et 
cetera with products that come from overseas, my concern is that we will potentially end up 
where we were with Collins in that we'll be relying on overseas maintenance, contracts and 
IP and then, down the track, have to re-create an Australian capability. So I'd like your 
planning, at this stage, for where we will be at the end of LOTE in terms of the number of 
contracts or percentage value that is still with Australian industry versus gone overseas, 
including the OEM in that mix. Mr Dalton: We'll take that on notice and I can assure you that 
over 90 per cent of the platform based Collins sustainment is work that's done in Australia. 
We're not anticipating a significant change in terms of the platform support pre- and post-
LOTE.
Answer
Based on the current contractual reporting obligations of the Collins class submarine industry 
partners, 92.77 per cent of the ongoing platform sustainment budget is spent in Australia. 
Defence does not anticipate this platform sustainment spend percentage changing 
substantively post LOTE.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022 
Collins Life-of-Type Extension
Senator Linda White
Written Question
Senator Linda White asked the Department of Defence the following question, upon notice, 
on 29 November 2022- 
1. What is the current status of the life-of-type extension (LOTE) of the Collins class
submarines?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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a. Has Government approved life-of-type extension0 for all six Collins class
submarines? If so, when did Defence first recommend to government that all six
submarines be extended and when did Government approve that request?
b. What is the current cost estimate for the LOTE project? If possible, please
breakdown the headline cost between overarching project setup and
management costs and the anticipated costs of the actual LOTE work on the
submarines.
c. What is Defence’s current assessment of the risks associated with the LOTE
project? Has there been any change in Defence’s assessment of the level of risk
associated with the LOTE project since 2013?
2. In May 2016, the Study into the Business of Sustaining Australia’s Strategic Collins class
Submarine Capability (aka the Coles Review) stated that: “In undertaking the assessment
for Part B, the Review Team was advised by the Enterprise on a number of key
assumptions, including considerations relating to the SEA1000 program. These key
assumptions are […] life-of-type extensions for three Collins submarines (for their full
cycles) have been assumed. The number of submarines to undergo an extension could be
reduced or increased to match the introduction of the new submarines into service”. Is
this an accurate summary of Defence’s planning assumptions at the time?
3. On 8 November 2018, the then Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Noonan, was quoted in the
media as saying that: “If it needs to be more than three submarines, that’s the advice I’ll
provide to government. And if it needs to be all six Collins class submarines, that’s the
advice I’ll take to government.”
a. At that point in time, was Defence’s planning assumption still based on life-of-type
extension for three Collins submarines or had the planning assumption changed?
b. If it changed, please describe Defence’s planning assumption at the time on the
number of Collins submarines that would require extension as well as when and
why the planning assumption had changed.
4. On 27 October 2021, Vice Admiral Noonan told Senate Estimates that: “The life-of-type
extension for the Collins class submarines was always going to happen with at least five
boats. The decision to LOTE all six boats will ensure that, had we proceeded with the
Attack class, we would have had a very capable Collins class submarine into the 2040s.
That has not changed.” Was Vice Admiral Noonan correct when he said that the LOTE was
“always going to happen with at least five boats”?
a. If yes, on what date did Defence determine it was “always” going to be at least
five boats and how does Defence reconcile this comment with Vice Admiral
Noonan’s prior comments as well as the planning assumptions outlined in the
Coles Review?
b. If no, is it the case that Defence’s assumptions around the number of Collins that
could be subject to LOTE changed over time? When did these planning
assumptions change and what were the drivers of that change?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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5. What are the risks that the LOTE of one or more of the six Collins boats is unsuccessful 
and/or takes longer than currently anticipated? a. What does Defence consider the key 
risks to successful LOTE to be? Where possible, please give specific examples of the types 
of risks. 
6. Will LOTE completely alleviate the potential for a submarine capability gap or does that 
still remain a risk? 
a. Is there, for example, the risk of pressure hull or other critical issues being 
discovered that cannot be overcome or mitigated? 
b. Does availability of the Collins fleet still remain a concern after LOTE? If so, please 
describe what the risks might be to availability as the fleet continues to age. 
7. In Defence’s assessment, has the cancellation of the Attack class increased the risk of a 
submarine capability gap? 
a. If yes, in Defence’s assessment, would an earlier decision on the cancellation of 
the Attack class have helped prevent this capability gap?
Answer
1a, b and c. The former Government provided first pass approval to extend the life of all six 
Collins class submarines (SEA1450 Phase 1) in June 2021 (the first Government approval 
point in the project’s life). The Government considered this project based on advice and 
recommendations made by the Department to the Minister for Defence. The 
Department has been developing options to extend the life of the Collins class submarine 
since 2011. Consideration of the number of submarines to be extended commenced 
with at least three – the actual number to be extended was refined over time as the 
replacement submarine program took shape. At the time of first pass approval, the total 
cost estimate was within the $4.3 to $6.4 billion public cost envelope. The detailed 
executable life extension cost developed with industry post first pass will be considered 
by Government at second pass. The work done by the Department since 2011 has 
demonstrated that extending the life of the Collins class submarines is feasible. The 
Department assesses the risks of extending the life of the Collins class submarines to be 
significant, but manageable. While this assessment has not substantially changed over 
time, our confidence in the assessment has improved.
2, 3 and 4. The window to decide to replace the Collins class submarine without extending its 
life effectively closed in 2011. The commencement of the Attack class submarine 
program in 2016 allowed the Department to develop a submarine capability continuity 
model based on a range of factors, including potential exit from and entry into service 
dates for Collins and Attack class submarines. This enabled the Department to adapt 
planning assumptions, such as the number of Collins to be life-extended, over a range of 
contingencies, including as these changed over time. 
5. The Department assesses the risk of extending the life of the Collins class submarines to 
be significant, but manageable. The core work package to extend the life of each Collins 
class submarine is planned to be inserted during scheduled full-cycle dockings 
commencing from mid-2026. Further work to extend the life of each Collins class 
submarine is planned for insertion in subsequent mid-cycle and intermediate dockings. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Within the planned docking periods, life extension work has risk associated with scope, 
cost and schedule. The Department is working closely with ASC to manage the planned 
activities within the approved resources and docking windows.
6. Extending the life of the Collins class submarines is one of several strategies to mitigate 
the emergence of a potential capability gap. The life-of-type extension program will carry 
the Collins class submarines through the 2030s and well into the 2040s with a manageable 
level of risk. The Government will consider the range of mitigations that may be required 
in light of the nuclear-powered submarine optimal pathway being delivered in the first 
quarter of 2023.
a. The Department considers the risks of managing each Collins class submarine to its 
extended planned withdrawal date to be significant, but manageable. This includes risks 
associated with the pressure hull and other critical systems.
b. Yes, the availability of Collins class submarines will remain an enduring focus for as long as 
the boats remain in service. As the boats age, age-related risks to submarine availability 
will increase.
7. No. The decision to cancel the Attack class submarine program occurred following the 
United States agreeing to share submarine nuclear propulsion technology with Australia 
and the former Government’s subsequent decision to pursue a nuclear-powered 
submarine program. The work of the Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce will 
determine which platform Australia will acquire. The optimal pathway will inform when 
Australia can acquire it, mitigate any potential capability gap, how Australia can continue 
to meet its non-proliferation obligations, and cost.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Daniel Leraye
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Collins Submarine Program
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Branch: Collins Submarine Program
Group/Service: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Sheryl Lutz
operate effectively throughout the region. They will also have the flexibility to support 
other roles such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

The Hunter class frigate project is currently Australia’s largest and most complex 
Defence procurement. It is a cornerstone in the recapitalisation of the Navy and 
delivering continuous naval shipbuilding in Australia. 

This project is key to developing a globally competitive and effective naval shipbuilding 
and sustainment industry, significantly expanding and upskilling Australia’s workforce. 
Has the Government commenced the Hunter class frigate review?

Yes, the independent review commenced in September 2022 and finalised its report in 
January 2023. The review team considered the progress made on ship design and 
evaluated the program’s performance to date on cost, schedule and scope. 

The review’s report was considered by the Defence Strategic Review in forming its 
recommendations.

The Government has agreed with the Defence Strategic Review recommendation to 
undertake an independent analysis of the Navy’s surface combatant fleet composition. 

This independent analysis has commenced and is on track to deliver their finding for 
consideration by September 2023. This review is being conducted by Retired US Vice 
Admiral William Hilarides, former finance secretary Rosemary Huxtable and former 
Australian Fleet Commander, retired Vice Admiral Stuart Mayer.

The Deputy Prime Minister announced on 24 April 2023 “The current work in terms of 
the construction of Hunter will continue, and this Review will report in the third quarter 
and it will do so in a way which does not see any disruption”.

The Government has committed to continuous naval shipbuilding to provide a 
sovereign capability for both Osborne and Henderson ship yards. 

On 19 May 2023 Defence officials appeared before the Joint Committee of Public 
Accounts and Audit following the tabling of the Australian National Audit Office report 
of the performance audit on Defence’s procurement and management of the Hunter 
class frigates.  As stated at the hearing Defence is reviewing the audit office report in 
order to determine what occurred and ensure we learn lessons from this and update 
processes as required. This will take time given the size of the report and many of the 
officials no longer work in the Department. 
What is the current cost forecast and approved budget?

The current out turned total acquisition cost estimate is $45.15 billion (Portfolio Budget 
Statement 2023-24).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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Defence has approval to undertake the design and productionisation phase only. The 
approved budget for this phase is $7.18 billion (Portfolio Budget Statement 2023-24), 
which includes $921 million for infrastructure. The contract value for this phase with 
BAE Systems Maritime Australia is currently $2.98 billion.

Defence will seek Government approval for funding for the production of the first batch 
of three ships in late 2023.
Regarding the Australian National Audit Office audit findings, why has the project not been 
effective in delivering on project milestones and appears to have created additional 
milestones in order to pay the prime contractor? 

The current approved design and productionisation phase is a cost plus fixed fee 
contract and this type of contract was selected given the high risk nature of the project 
at this stage. Since the head contract signature in December 2018, contract changes 
have been executed to align the payment of fee to specific milestones instead of the 
original quarterly milestones. Some milestones have slipped from their new contracted 
dates however the project has continued to progress despite experiencing the impact 
of the global pandemic across multiple sites. In May 2023 the project commenced 
production of the first schedule protection block that will be used in the first ship.
Regarding the Australian National Audit Office audit findings, why did Defence not assess 
value for money during the tender process?

Defence ensures that all procurement advice to Government on major and complex 
acquisition projects include the basis and rationale for proposed decisions, including 
the consideration of value for money.

Defence understands that value for money is a key element of any tender evaluation 
and seeks to ensure all proposals are considered in line with the Commonwealth 
Procurement Rules.

The tender process Defence conducted encouraged competition and was conducted in 
an ethical manner and with transparency. Defence conducted a process with regard to 
the program’s objectives. Government’s direction remains meeting those objectives.

In accordance with due process, Defence made a recommendation to Government and 
with Government’s agreement, entered into the design and productionisation phase.

The complexity and scale of the project, as well as the importance of the capability to 
meeting Government’s requirements, was recognised by the Auditor General.

SEA5000 is a multi-state procurement that will span many decades, with an approval 
pathway that returns to Government multiple times. Throughout this process,  Defence 
will provide assessments that include a value for money assessment.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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Key witness: Sheryl Lutz

It is important to note that $45.6 billion is a cost estimate. Approval has not been 
sought for the funding to acquire nine Hunter class frigates. What has been approved is 
the selection of the Type 26 as the reference ship design, the sale of ASC Shipbuilding, 
funding for the design and productionisation phase, and agreement to return to 
Government progressively for the construction of ships in three batches.
Regarding the Australian National Audit findings, can Defence afford the nine ship program 
within the current estimate cost?

While beyond the current approved scope of the project, the Auditor-General also 
found that the original 2018 estimated total acquisition cost for the project, including 
all of the elements yet to be approved by Government, is under extreme pressure.

Defence has previously flagged that the project is under extreme pressure to deliver 
nine ships for the estimate cost provided to Government in 2018. BAE Systems will 
provide a tender quality cost estimate in July 2023 for the first three ships (Batch 1) and 
a cost estimate for nine ships. Once received, Defence will provide the estimate to the 
Independent Analysis Team for consideration as part of the surface combatant fleet 
review.
Regarding the Australian National Audit findings, why was Defence not able to locate certain 
key records?

Defence acknowledges and understands that it must maintain appropriate records and 
employs a sophisticated and regulatory compliant record management system.

Of the thousands of documents identified and requested by the ANAO, 11 were noted 
as unable to locate or missing information by the ANAO.  Of the 11, four are documents 
that were not able to be located and the remaining seven documents were noted by 
ANAO stating information they considered should have been recorded in the 
documents as opposed to the document not being located.
Regarding the Australian National Audit findings, why has there been a cost blowout?

The ANAO reported that the cost of the head contract has increased, without 
acknowledging that Defence always expected the cost to increase with the main 
increases to include the support system, land based test site and the interim 
arrangement blocks required as a result of the Type 26 delays to keep the skilled 
workforce employed. 

The ANAO did note that the current contract price remains within the original Public 
Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013 section 23 approval made in 
2018. The Government has not approved an increase to the budget for the currently 
approved design and productionisation stage.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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The cost increases have been transparently reported in the Major Projects Report 
2020-21 and 2021-22.
 Regarding the Australian National Audit findings, why has there been a 18 month delay?

The project is running around 18 months late – this has been publicly reported in the 
Major Projects Report 2021-22 and was approved by the previous Government in June 
2021.  It is not an additional delay.

Some of this delay is attributable to design maturity issues with the UK’s Type 26 
program that have flowed into our project, and some of it is a direct consequence of 
the impact of the global Covid-19 pandemic.
Background 
Schedule

When the project was approved in June 2018, the indicative schedule had prototyping 
commencing by the end of 2020 and ‘cut steel’ on ship 1 by the end of 2022 and 
delivery before the end of 2029. The ninth ship was anticipated to be delivered 
between 2045 and 2047. 

Prototyping commenced on schedule in the upgraded shipyard at Osborne in 
2020.

In July 2021, the former Government agreed to an extended prototyping period and an 
18-month delay to commencement of ship 1, from December 2022 to no later than
June 2024, to manage the risks associated with design maturity of the Type 26
reference ship design in the United Kingdom and the impact of the COVID-19
pandemic.
Sustainment

The Hunter class frigate fleet will be sustained using the future maritime sustainment 
model which is being introduced under Plan Galileo. 

Western Australia will be home to a new Hunter class frigate training and capability 
centre, known as ‘Ship Zero’, to support the new frigates’ introduction into service and 
operation thereafter.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
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billion future frigates programDefence spending: $45 billion frigate faces budget blow-out 
(afr.com)Navy’s troubled frigate project suffers further cost blowoutProject to build navy 
frigates in Adelaide faces ‘significant’ cost blowouts, report says | Australian military | The 
Guardian

On 28 February 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Rethinking Australian 
airpower in an age of impactful projection. Journalist Marcus Hellyer wrote about 
Defence capability, including the Hunter Class Frigate program.

On 20 February 2023, Australian Manufacturing published an article titled, BAE System 
Australia form enterprise collaboration to develop combat management systems. 
Journalist Kate B examined BAE Maritime Systems Australia’s partnership with 
Lockheed Martin Australia and Saab Australia to support delivery of the Hunter Class 
Frigate program.

On 15 December 2022, The Australian published an article titled, Delayed Frigates 
‘back on track soon’, says contractor BAE. Journalist Cameron Stewart covered the BAE 
Systems Maritime Australia’s managing director Craig Lockhart’s comments on the 
status of the Hunter Class Frigate project.
Division:
Major Surface Combatants & Combat Systems Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000393
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Commodore Scott Lockey
Sheryl Lutz, First Assistant Secretary, 
Director General Hunter Class Frigate 
Major Surface Combatants and Combat 
Systems 
Mob: s22
    Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 4 April 2023
Date: 23 May 2023
Cleared by CFO: 
s47E(d)
Director Finance Navy Ships Acquisition – Navy and Naval 
Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Defence Finance Group
Cleared by DSR: 
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy DSR Task  Ph: s47E(d)
Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 24 May 2023  
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
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RADM Wendy Malcolm, A/Deputy Secretary, Naval 
Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief: 
Supplementary Estimates

Hunter Review
Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham
Question
Senator BIRMINGHAM: Thanks, Chair. It gave the officials a chance to stretch their legs but 
not necessarily to move away! The department initiated a review in October last year into the 
Hunter Class Frigates— is that correct? 
Mr Dalton: That's correct. 
Senator BIRMINGHAM: When did that review complete or conclude its work? 
Mr Dalton: The review completed their report last month. 
Senator BIRMINGHAM: Was that in January? 
Mr Dalton: Correct. 
Senator BIRMINGHAM: What were the terms of reference for that review?
Mr Dalton: We'll take that on notice.
Answer
Not yet tabled
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Former United States Government Officials
Senator Jordon Steele-John
Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Mr Dalton, Rear Admiral David Gale was on active duty 
before he submitted his paperwork to the Pentagon to be able to come and work for 
Australia. I believe he has been employed by the department to the tune of US$222,000. I'm 
wondering whether you can confirm his employment status with the department.
Mr Dalton: I'm not familiar with that particular case, but I will take it on notice.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: It's Rear Admiral David Gale. He was a consultant, and I believe is still a 
consultant, on the Future Frigate program. Then we've got a Mr Thomas Eccles, a former rear 
admiral of the United States who retired in 2013 and has served, I think, for the last five years 
or so as a consultant. What role does the former rear admiral serve with the department?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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Mr Dalton: Admiral Eccles was one of the founding members of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board, and his role has continued under the new Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 
Panel.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Finally, there is Mr William Hilarides, a former vice-admiral 
who, I think, is currently in the role of member of the Australian Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board.
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Hilarides is a foundation member of the Naval 
Shipbuilding Advisory Board and he now chairs the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Again, the value of the contracts that we have had with—
Mr Moriarty: If I could, Admiral Hilarides has on a couple of occasions provided evidence to 
this committee.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, I am aware of that. If you can do that, it would be fantastic. 
Finally, in relation to former admiral Donald Kirkland, he was a member of the Australian 
Submarine Advisory Committee?
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Kirkland was a member of the Australian Submarine 
Advisory Committee. He is no longer serving in that capacity.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: No, he is not. He was found to be—it was kind of made public that he 
was also acting at the time as chairman of the Huntington Ingalls Industries group, since 2020 
I believe.
Mr Dalton: We were aware of his other roles; he had declared that. He wasn't involved in 
providing advice on aspects that touched on Huntington.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: He has stepped back from that position, as of April, because of a 
potential conflict of interest.
Mr Dalton: From the Submarine Advisory Committee?
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes.
Mr Dalton: Yes.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Because of a potential conflict of interest.
Mr Dalton: With the expansion of the submarine program to include a nuclear powered 
submarine program in which Huntington Ingalls would have an interest. I will just reinforce, in 
his capacity as a member of the Submarine Advisory Committee he did not provide advice on 
nuclear powered submarines.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: I believe his contract was worth about US$255,000, but can you take 
that on notice for me, as well.
Mr Dalton: Yes.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Finally, can you give us an idea of whether there are any former 
members of the Navy currently advising Defence in relation to the AUKUS negotiations, other 
than the individuals I have listed?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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Mr Dalton: I'm probably not best placed to talk about who is providing advice in relation to 
AUKUS, but I can certainly advise you about the members of the Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Advisory Panel.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, you could, or someone else at the table.
Mr Moriarty: Senator, we will get you a list of all former members of the US Navy who are 
providing advice to Defence across any program.
Answer
Rear Admiral David Gale USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period
September 2016 to October 2018 in relation to the Hunter Class Frigate program and 
continuous naval shipbuilding.
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Eccles’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $1,214,105.75 
(including GST).
Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Hilarides’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $1,941,952.14 
(including GST).
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period 
December 2017 to April 2022 in relation to the Collins and Attack Class submarine programs. 
The total not to exceed value of Admiral Donald’s contracts (including services and 
reimbursables) for advice through the Submarine Advisory Committee over this period was 
$2,219,351.98 (excluding GST).
Admiral Donald resigned with two years remaining on his final contract.
Former United States Navy officers currently providing advice to the Department:
Name Advisory Capacity Rear Admiral Thomas ECCLES Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 
Panel Vice Admiral William HILARIDES Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
Captain Vernon HUTTON Development of nuclear mindset and supporting infrastructure and 
facilities.
Captain Kevin JONES Development of the Nuclear Stewardship Framework.
Captain Matt KOSNAR Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Admiral John RICHARDSON Specialist advice on nuclear stewardship, workforce, and technical 
matters.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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Commander Andy STEERE Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Captain Bryan STIL Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022 
Hunter Class Frigate program
Senator Nita Green
Question
With respect to the Hunter Class Frigate program:
1. What is Defence’s approach to integration of Australian design requirements into the 
Type-26 design reference?
2. How is Defence incorporating these changes to the design reference into the build 
process?
3. Former Managing Director of BAE Systems Maritime Australia, Mr Craig Lockhart, told the 
media in August 2022:
“We’ve divided the ship into design zones and when the [Type 26] reference ship has 
reached a level of maturity that we can predict there will be little design change come 
through, we’ll ‘cut’ that design from the UK process and bring that into the Australian 
configuration environment. It’s then under our control [and] we expect no more design 
change to be embodied in the reference ship that has a Hunter impact without being agreed 
at the Design Council.""
a. How many zones have been ‘cut’ from the Type 26 design reference?
b. How many zones remain?
c. Are there any concerns relating to zones of the ship that have little to no variation to the 
design reference?
d. Has Defence identified any additional elements that require deviation from the Type 26?
e. Are these zones subject to design reviews?
f. Have there been any failures of these design reviews?
4. What is the current profile of the workforce on the Hunter Class project, including 
Departmental and BAE?
5. Is Defence aware of any workforce pressures on the project?
a. If yes, are there any concerns that the workforce pressures could impact schedule and/or 
cost?
Answer
1.
The contract with BAE Systems Maritime Australia requires the company to adapt the 
Type 26 reference ship design to meet the Hunter Class Frigate Mission System Specification. 
The Mission System Specification is agreed and stable. BAE Systems Maritime Australia 
employ a structured design process with review gates and agreed entry and exit criteria.
2.
The contract with BAE Systems Maritime Australia requires the company to design and 
build the ship to meet the agreed Mission System Specification. The Hunter Class Frigate is 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
 
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PDR No: SB23-000393
Last updated: 23 May 2023
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Key witness: Sheryl Lutz
based on the UK’s Type 26 Frigate reference design. Both share 12 design zones that 
encompass the design for the entire ship. Type 26 design zones are transferred to Australia 
under a structured process at an agreed level of design maturity. Once transferred to 
Australia, BAE Systems Maritime Australia progressively incorporate the Australian changes 
into each design zone. Each design zone goes through a structured, formal engineering 
approval process before being released for construction to commence. 
3.
a) Seven
b) Five
c) No
d) No
e) All design zones are managed in accordance with the BAE Systems ‘zonal design’
process.
The zonal design process includes four review gates for each design zone.
f) The first design zone did not proceed past the fourth gate at its first review. A
subsequent review four weeks later was assessed as a proceed. The second design
zone did not proceed past the second gate at its first review. It was assessed as a
proceed two weeks later. The zonal review process has worked correctly in both
circumstances in that the design was not permitted to move to the next stage until
sufficient design maturity was achieved.
4.
The Hunter Class Frigate project office currently employs 163 staff. BAE Systems
Maritime Australia currently employs 1324 staff. In addition to the directly employed staff,
there are additional workers employed across multiple companies in the supply chain and
developing the Australian elements of the combat system.
5.
Yes.
a)
The Department is aware that recruiting across a number of job families is highly
competitive in the current market. In particular, the Department is aware that
engineers, naval architects, program managers, logisticians, supply chain managers,
heavy fabrication operators, and production quality controllers are in high demand. The
Department will continue to work with BAE Systems Maritime Australia and other key
suppliers to develop enterprise-wide supply side strategies to help meet the growing
workforce needs of industry and mitigate workforce risks to schedule and cost.
Senate Question on Notice 13 September 2022
Future Frigate Program
Senator Jacqui Lambie
Question
Senator Lambie asked the Minister representing the Minister for Defence Industry, upon 
notice, on 13 September 2022. Noting that BAE Systems has issued a press release stating 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000393
Last updated: 23 May 2023
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Key witness: Sheryl Lutz
that it has completed a first prototype block for the future Frigate and that the release stated 
Block 16 was 141 tonnes and that it took 45,000 hours (e.g.320 hours per tonne).
1.
What is the target hours per tonne for the future Frigate project?
2.
What was the average hours per tonne achieved on the Air Warfare Destroyer?
3.
Can details be provided of any international benchmarks for hours per tonne?
4.
What was the original cost projection for the future Frigate program when it first
appeared in the Defence Industrial Capability Plan/Investment Plan?
5.
What was the cost projection for the future Frigate program at first pass?
6.
What was the cost projection for the future Frigate program when BAE Systems were
announced as the preferred tenderer?
7.
What was the current cost projection for the future Frigate program?
Answer
1 - 220 hours per tonne for structural steel fabrication (over the first three ships).
2 - 563 hours per tonne for structural steel fabrication (over the three ships).
3 - 160-170 hours per tonne for structural steel fabrication is the normalised benchmark for
all types of shipbuilding. This is an average across the shipbuilding industry, from 
structurally simple cargo vessels and tankers, to significantly more complex warships. 
Cargo vessels make up the majority of the benchmarking data that brings the average 
down.
4 - >$30 billion (2016 Integrated Investment Program, table 6, p 89). 
5 - Within the 2016 Integrated Investment Program provision (but based on a faster build 
tempo).
6 - $44.3 billion (PBS 2018-19).
7 - $43.9 billion (PBS 2022-23).
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Commodore Scott Lockey
Name: RADM Wendy Malcolm
Position: Director General Hunter Class Frigate Branch
Position: Position: A/Deputy Secretary 
Division: Major Surface Combatants and Combat Systems
Group/Service: : Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment
Phone: s22
 
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000617
Last updated: 24 May 2023
      DSR Independent Analysis Review
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Greg Moriarty, General Angus Campbell.
Document 7
What contracts are in place to support the independent analysis and how much will it cost?

The total estimated value of engagements for the three team members, a modeller and 
a strategic writer is approximately $1.2 million, GST inclusive (including services and 
reimbursables). 

The estimated value of engagements for the three team members to October 2023 
(including services and reimbursables) is approximately $0.34 million (including GST). 
This leverages existing contracts for two members (Hilarides and Huxtable), and one 
member (Mayer) being engaged as a reservist.

Expenditure for the team members’ services and reimbursables to 31 March 2023 was 
approximately $0.04 million (GST exclusive).

Individual consultancy rates reflect the level of expertise each member brings to their 
role on the team.

Contract values reflect the maximum contract value and includes services and 
reimbursables.
How are confidentiality and conflicts of interest being managed for the team members?

Appropriate security, confidentiality, and conflict of interest arrangements are in place 
and are regularly reviewed.

Relevant foreign government approvals are also in place to support these 
engagements.
What access to Defence and Government information do the team members have?

The independent analysis is being informed by intelligence, capability, operational and 
strategic assessments of Australia’s national shipbuilding and sustainment enterprise 
and Navy’s surface combatant fleet.

Input to the independent analysis is being drawn from internal and external experts 
and consultations with senior personnel.
How is Defence supporting the independent analysis?

Defence is supporting the team members by coordinating briefings from senior 
officials, providing intelligence/capability assessments, and facilitating operational 
analysis and external consultation.

Secretariat functions and costs associated with supporting the operation of the team 
are being managed by Defence.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: Independent Analysis Team Secretariat
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Associate Secretary Group
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)   Mob: s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  Mob: s22
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Last updated: 24 May 2023
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Key witnesses: Greg Moriarty, General Angus Campbell.
Document 7
Background 

Navy’s surface combatant force currently consists of three Hobart Class Guided Missile 
Destroyers and eight Anzac Class Frigates. The Anzac Class Frigates are planned to be 
replaced by nine anti-submarine warfare optimised Hunter Class Frigates under Project 
SEA 5000-1.
Why have you engaged a retired USN member to Chair the independent analysis activity?

The United States is an important ally to Australia and the Chair, VADM Willy Hilarides 
USN (Ret.), has extensive experience in shipbuilding and submarine programs.

VADM Hilarides also has a thorough understanding of Australia’s naval requirements 
and programs and has been providing advice to the Government since 2016 as part of 
the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel, and its precursor the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board.
Why are you paying US advisors and other Independent Analysis Team members so much 
and is it value for money?

Remuneration for these individuals is appropriate given their seniority and experience.
Timeline of Significant Events.
Date
Action
24 April 2023
Government publicly released the Defence Strategic Review and advised of 
the independent analysis of Navy’s surface combatant fleet. 
22 March 2023
Independent Analysis Team Secretariat established. 
The Independent Analysis Team Terms of Reference (SECRET AUSTEO and 
22 March 2023
SECRET REL AUS/US) signed by the Secretary and the Chief of the Defence 
Force. 
14 February 2023
Defence Strategic Review submitted to the Government.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: Independent Analysis Team Secretariat
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Associate Secretary Group
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)   Mob: s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  Mob: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000617
Last updated: 24 May 2023
                           DSR Independent Analysis Review
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Greg Moriarty, General Angus Campbell.
Document 7
Recent Ministerial Comments

The Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence Industry outlined 
the independent analysis into Navy’s surface combatant fleet at the launch of the 
Defence Strategic Review on 24 April 2023.
Relevant Media Reporting

On 27 April 2023, The Sydney Morning Herald reported that various retired senior US 
military officers have been paid up to $7,500 a day for advice on major defence 
projects. The Herald reports that VADM Hilarides “would be hired to lead a snap review 
of the RAN’s surface fleet” and reports he had previously been paid “up to $US1.6 
million since 2016” and charged USD 4,000 a day. Australia pays former US officials $7k 
a day for advice

On 27 April 2023, ABC News reported that several retired US military officers (including 
VADM Hilarides) are contracted by Defence as consultants and comments on their 
remuneration. Retired US admirals charging Australian taxpayers thousands of dollars 
per day as defence consultants

On 25 April 2023, The Australian reported that VADM Hilarides “won a lucrative 
Australian contract as the head of a review that will determine the future size and 
structure of the Royal Australia Navy. The Australian further reports past remuneration 
for VADM Hilarides of USD 1.3 million since 2016 and charges of USD 4,000 a day for 
consulting. Defence Strategic Review: US admiral William Hilarides wins plum job of 
reviewing Australian fleet

On 25 April 2023, ABC News reported that VADM Hilarides, Ms Huxtable and VADM 
Mayer will all conduct the analysis into the Navy surface Fleet and comments on VADM 
Hilarides’ remuneration. Retired US Admiral who has previously advised Australia on 
shipbuilding to lead fresh review on navy’s warship fleet

On 25 April 2023, The Washington Post reported several retired US military officials 
have provided consultancy services to foreign governments. The Post reports that 
VADM Hilarides is “the second-highest earner” (of this group) who since 2016 has 
earned up to $1.6 million from consulting contracts to the Government of Australia, 
and that he will be leading the independent analysis review. Retired NSA director won 
lucrative consulting deals with Saudis, Japan
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: Independent Analysis Team Secretariat
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Associate Secretary Group
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)   Mob: s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  Mob: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000617
Last updated: 24 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Greg Moriarty, General Angus Campbell.
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Division:
Associate Secretary
PDR No: 
SB23-000617
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Victoria Bergmann, Assistant Secretary 
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
Associate Secretary Group
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 3 May 2023
Date: 24 May 2023
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date: 2 May 2023
Tracey Mackrow, AS Finance – Enabling Groups
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 24 May 2023 
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, Associate 
Secretary Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann
Name: Matt Yannopoulos
Position: Independent Analysis Team Secretariat
Position: Associate Secretary
Division: Associate Secretary Group
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group
Phone: s47E(d)   Mob: s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  Mob: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000394
Last updated: 27 April 2023 
       Guardian-Class Patrol Boats 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 8

training for Pacific Maritime Security Program partner country crews through 
TAFE Queensland and the Royal Australian Navy’s Sea Training Group; 

embedded in-country Navy advisors to support safe operations;

region wide contracted aerial surveillance for Pacific nations; and

enhancing regional coordination and communication.
If pressed: future of the Pacific Maritime Security Program following Defence Strategic Review

Consistent with the Government’s National Defence Statement 2023 following the 
release of the Defence Strategic Review, the Department of Defence will work to 
strengthen engagement with Pacific Island nations in Pacific maritime security. 
If pressed: Guardian-class Patrol Boat Armaments

The Guardian-class Patrol Boats are designed to enable armaments to be fitted. 

Pacific nations will consider their own maritime security needs according to their 
priorities. 

If armaments are requested, the Australian Government will consider each request on 
a case-by-case basis. Any armaments would be accompanied by a comprehensive 
support package to address sustainment, training and oversight requirements.

Armaments will enhance the Guardian-class Patrol Boat’s contribution to our regional 
security and bolster the capacity of nations to respond effectively to shared maritime 
security challenges, including illegal fishing and transnational crime.

Australia’s security assistance is undertaken in accordance with domestic and legal 
obligations and is subject to a Memoranda of Understanding with important 
safeguards. 
If pressed: Cyclone damaged Patrol Boats

In March 2023, Vanuatu (RVS Takuare) and Tuvalu’s (HMTSS Te Mataili II) Guardian-
class Patrol Boats suffered damage as a result of Cyclones Judy and Kevin. 

Defence arranged for both vessels to be transported back to Australia to receive a 
comprehensive damage assessment. Both vessels arrived in Cairns in early April.

Defence does not pre-empt the outcome of the assessment. These vessels remain 
sovereign assets of each country and it is a matter for the Governments of Vanuatu and 
Tuvalu to determine plans for these vessels after the damage assessments.

Australia will determine the capacity to which it can assist Vanuatu and Tuvalu with 
these vessels after the comprehensive damage assessments are complete.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 8
If pressed: Cost of deep level maintenance (30 and 60 month slippings)

The new Guardian-class Patrol Boats represent a significant step up in capability from 
the old Pacific Patrol Boats. 

Regular maintenance is critical to the ongoing viability and utility of Guardian-
class Patrol Boats.

Australia has committed to fund the 60 month deep level maintenance activities for the 
Guardian-class Patrol Boats.

Under the original arrangements, individual nations were responsible for funding 30 
month maintenance activities:

However, COVID-19 had a severe economic impact across the Pacific.

As a COVID-19 measure, Australia has agreed to fund a 30 month maintenance 
period for six boats (Papua New Guinea (two), Tuvalu, Solomon Islands, Tonga, 
and Fiji).
If pressed: Guardian-class Patrol Boat delays from engineering and maintenance issues

As with every new product and design, especially one as complex as the Guardian-class 
Patrol Boat, issues can be expected and will continue to be addressed as they arise.

Defence is working with Austal Pty Ltd to minimise any disruptions and will continue to 
advise nations on the timeframes for handovers.
If pressed: Black and grey water system optimisation (hydrogen sulphide toxic gas hazard)

In December 2022 trials were successfully completed in Cairns on engineering 
modifications to optimise the black and grey water system to reduce risk of toxic gas 
exposure.

11 of the 14 in service Guardian-class Patrol Boats (including Vanuatu and Tuvalu) 
have had modifications completed.

Modifications are now being rolled out across the rest of the fleet through 
concurrent fly-away teams, along with a comprehensive training program for 
operation, maintenance and safety procedures.
If pressed: Exhaust Cracking (carbon monoxide toxic gas hazard)

Issues involving a fault in the exhaust system were discovered in May 2022. Defence 
has completed exhaust cracking repair works on all Guardian-class Patrol Boats.
If pressed: ADF Seariding on Guardian-class Patrol Boats

Guardian-class Patrol Boats are built to commercial standards in line with International 
Maritime Organisation standards.

It is not unusual for Royal Australian Navy personnel to embark on commercial vessels.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000394
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 8

Following implementation of the engineering modifications and subject to individual 
safety assessments, Navy personnel are permitted to embark on the Guardian-class 
Patrol Boats.
If pressed: Sickbay Ventilation Issues

In May 2022, class-wide issues were discovered with sickbay ventilation systems.

Defence has approved the system redesign and will implement changes to the vessels 
once the implementation plan has been agreed.
If pressed: Vulkan coupling

In February 2021 cracking in the Vulkan coupling between the main engines and gear 
boxes was discovered.

The design for a new coupling has been approved and Defence is awaiting a rollout plan 
for installation across the fleet.
If pressed: Samoa’s replacement Guardian-class Patrol Boat

Australia announced its intent to replace Samoa’s Guardian-class Patrol Boat, which 
was damaged beyond repair in August 2021.

Australia is working with Samoa for its new vessel handover.
If pressed: Islander Enterprises Pty Ltd v the Commonwealth

This matter is currently before the Supreme Court of South Australia and it is not 
appropriate to comment any further. 
Background 

The Pacific Maritime Security Program is the cornerstone of Australia’s defence 
engagement in the Pacific, ensuring Pacific partners can exercise their sovereign rights 
and interests over their vast maritime domain. 

The Guardian-class Patrol Boats play a critical role in maritime surveillance activities, as 
well as detecting and deterring illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing.

Defence is delivering long-term sustainment, maintenance and training programs, in-
country advisors, integrated region-wide aerial surveillance and enhancements to 
regional coordination to our partners in the Pacific region. 

To date 15 of 22 vessels have been delivered: Papua New Guinea (three), Tuvalu (one), 
Tonga (two), Samoa (one), Solomon Islands (two), Fiji (one), Palau (one), Vanuatu (one), 
Kiribati (one), Federated States of Micronesia (one), and the Cook Islands (one).

The Government has committed to increasing funding for aerial surveillance activities 
by $12 million a year from 2024-25.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Australian funded aerial assets are available for nations to request through the Forum 
Fisheries Agency and additional support can be sought through the Pacific Quadrilateral 
Defence Coordination Group. 

Islander Enterprises Pty Ltd was contracted by Defence to provide maritime aerial 
surveillance in the South Pacific in 2014 and 2015. On 05 August 2020, Islander 
Enterprises filed a statement of claim in the Supreme Court of South Australia, which 
commenced litigation against the Commonwealth.
Guardian-class Patrol Boats

Guardian-class Patrol Boats are a significant step up in capability from the aging Pacific 
Patrol Boats and include:

increased capability, including speed, range and crew capacity;

accommodation for mixed gender crews; and

improved Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief capabilities. 

Austal Pty Ltd, based in Henderson Western Australia, is the shipbuilding contractor.

In May 2016, the shipbuilding contract for the Guardian-class Patrol Boats was awarded 
at a value of $360.1 million. On 01 November 2022, an additional vessel was added to 
the Austal contract to accommodate the commitment to replace Samoa’s damaged 
vessel.

The construction of the vessels has grown Australia’s defence Industry and supports 
200 direct and indirect Australian jobs.

Since 2020 low levels of hydrogen sulphide gas emissions have been detected on a 
number of Guardian-class Patrol Boats. Hydrogen Sulphide can be generated in black 
and grey water systems and is not unique to the Guardian-class Patrol Boat. 

Vanuatu was one of the first nations to receive a fly-away team for engineering 
changes to mitigate the risk of exposure to hydrogen sulphide toxic gases.

Tuvalu made the sovereign decision to sail their Guardian-class Patrol Boat to 
Vanuatu, to expedite repairs.

Cyclone Judy made landfall on 01 March 2023, and Cyclone Kevin made landfall 
on 03 March 2023, where both Vanuatu and Tuvalu’s vessels were damaged.  
Training

TAFE Queensland is contracted by Defence to provide individual training to Guardian-
class Patrol Boat crews at the Cairns Campus. 

Approximately 250 Pacific and Timor-Leste personnel attend training per year.

The TAFE Queensland contract is a $36 million investment directly supporting 26 
jobs.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000394
Last updated: 27 April 2023 
       Guardian-Class Patrol Boats 
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 8
Armaments

In June 2021, Australia announced our agreement to Papua New Guinea (25 June) and 
Solomon Islands’ (28 June) requests to arm their Guardian-class Patrol Boats.

A Memorandum of Understanding was signed with Papua New Guinea on 27 July 2021.

A draft Memorandum of Understanding has been provided to the Solomon Islands 
Government as we work through a needs assessment and logistical arrangements.

Australia is working to respond to a request from the Government of Timor-Leste for 
Australia to arm Timor-Leste’s Guardian Class Patrol Boats.

Timor-Leste Minister of Defence wrote to Australia’s then Minister for Defence 
on 30 November 2021, for “Both Guardian Class Patrol Boats to receive weapons 
systems of a suitable calibre for a more effective role”.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Budget Estimates - 28 November 2022

QoN 69, Pacific Patrol Boats, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked about the status of Vanuatu Guardian-class Patrol Boat RVS Takuare.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

In July 2022, a media organisation sought information relating to Defence 
correspondence on Guardian-class Patrol Boat issues and remediation. Documents 
were released 13 December 2022. 

In March 2022, an individual sought information on statistics on Guardian-class Patrol 
Boat usage. Document access was denied under section 33 of the FOI Act. This was 
communicated to requester on 30 March 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments  

On 3 November 2022, on ABC Radio, the Minister for Defence Industry reaffirmed 
Australia’s position on providing capability enhancements for Solomon Islands’ 
Guardian-class Patrol Boats.

On 1 July 2022, a Department of Defence Media Statement was published addressing 
engine exhaust cracking and sick back ventilation issues on Guardian-class Patrol Boats
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Relevant Media Reporting

On 8 February 2023, Australian Defence News, tweeted “Nafanua III was originally 
intended for Republic of Marshall Islands”.

On 3 November 2022, Daily Cargo News, reported that Austal has received an 
additional order for a Guardian-class Patrol Boat.

On 1 November 2022, Defence News, reported ADF support to help the Pacific fight 
illegal fishing as part of Operation KURUKURU.

On 22 September 2022, Homeland Security Today US, reported on the United States 
Coast Guard’s engagement with the Federated States of Micronesia’s National Police 
Maritime Wing on repairs and maintenance of the nation’s Pacific Patrol Boat 
FSS Palikir (mistakenly identified in the article as a Guardian-class Patrol Boat).

On 29 August 2022, PNG Post-Courier, reported on the incident where a PNG Defence 
Force Guardian-class Patrol Boat allegedly fired upon an Indonesian fishing vessel.

On 10 August 2022, Forbes, commented on Guardian-class Patrol Boats in the context 
of the United States’ involvement in the Pacific.

On 8 July 2022, The Spectator Australia, commented on the suitability of the Guardian-
class Patrol Boats for the Pacific, citing the grounding of Samoa’s vessel and recent 
Government engagements with Pacific nations.

Australian media has reported extensively on engine exhaust cracking and sick bay 
ventilation issues causing on delays to the Guardian-class Patrol Boats: 
 1 August 2022 in The Island Sun
 2 July 2022 in the Samoa Observer
 1 July 2022 in the Australian Financial Review
 1 July 2022 in The Guardian.
Division:
International Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000394
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Director Pacific Maritime 
Samantha Higgins, Acting First Assistant 
Security Program, Indo-Pacific Enhanced 
Secretary, International Policy Division
Engagement
Mob: s22
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Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 26 April 2023
Date: 27 April 2023
Consultation:  Nil
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Cleared by DSR:
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
DSR Task Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 06 April 2023 
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary
Strategic Policy and Industry 
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates - 28 November 2022 

Pacific Patrol Boats
Senator Birmingham
Question
1. What is the current state of the RVS Takuare?
2. Where is RVS Takuare now?
3. Vanuatu requested urgent repairs in July, why has this not been done?
4. Did the Government of Vanuatu request urgent repairs so the vessel could be used during 
their election?
5. We are now in cyclone season – why isn’t the government acting swiftly to ensure this 
vessel can assist?
6. At a media conference at Apia in June, Foreign Minister Penny Wong said “We do 
understand how important these maritime assets are to island nations” – if that’s the case, 
why hasn’t the government acted more swiftly to assist our Pacific neighbours?
Answer
Vanuatu has made the sovereign decision to not operate the RVS Takuare until known issues 
are resolved. The vessel is in Port Vila.
Australia has worked hard to respond to Vanuatu’s requests for Guardian-class Patrol Boat 
repairs. Following a request in July 2022, RVS Takuare sailed to Cairns, where temporary 
repairs to the boat’s engine silencers were completed, while permanent solutions are 
engineered. RSV Takuare then departed Cairns for Port Vila on 26 July 2022, arriving on 29 
July 2022. Vanuatu did not make a specific request in relation to its election. 
Defence is currently working with Austal to understand and fix other issues as swiftly as 
possible and is trialling solutions on a Guardian-class Patrol Boat in Australia. Once a solution 
successfully completes test and trials, it will be rolled out in Vanuatu along with a 
comprehensive training program for operation, maintenance and safety procedures. 
Under the Pacific Maritime Security Program, Australia is committed to providing Vanuatu, 
and Pacific partners, capability that will make a meaningful contribution to maritime security 
and provide disaster response. The new Guardian-class Patrol Boats offer a significant 
improvement in technology and capability. 
As with every new product and design, especially one as complex as the Guardian-class Patrol 
Boats, issues are to be expected and will continue to be addressed as they arise. COVID-19 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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exacerbated the effect of providing advanced technology through restricted movements for 
training, sustainment, and disrupted supply chains.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey 
Position: Director Pacific Maritime Security Program
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: International Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000395
Last updated: 12 April 2023 
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Key witness: Greg Moriarty
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What activities do the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members undertake?

The panel’s intent is to conduct five in-country visits to Australia per calendar year. 

In 2022 the panel conducted five visits to Australia (Adelaide, Canberra, Perth and 
Sydney) in February, May, July, October, and December during which they met with 
Defence Portfolio Ministers, defence primes and subcontractors, and senior 
Government representatives.

The Panel has conducted two visits so far in 2023 (February and April). The remaining 
in-country visits are scheduled for July, October and December 2023. 

Former Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board members and current Panel members have 
provided evidence at Senate Estimates on five occasions; the last occasion was in 
June 2021.
Does the dominance of the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel by United States citizens 
reflect a US bias? 

The Panel currently has six members appointed, four of which are United States 
nationals. The other two members are British and Australian. 

Panel members have a variety of relevant experience in naval ship design and 
construction, shipbuilding, infrastructure, complex procurement, and national level 
project management.
Why have you engaged former United States Navy and United States Department of Defense 
personnel to advise on shipbuilding and submarines? 

The United States is an important ally to Australia and has personnel with extensive 
experience in shipbuilding and submarine programs. 

As the public might reasonably expect, we leverage this experience by selectively 
employing United States nationals, both former government officials and retired senior 
United States Navy officers, through forums such as the Panel 

Relevant foreign government approvals are in place to support these engagements. 
Why do you pay United States advisors and other Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
members so much and is it value for money?

Remuneration for these individuals is appropriate given their seniority and experience. 
Are Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members advising and/or are connected with 
the United States shipbuilding industry and does this represent a conflict of interest? 

Appropriate security, confidentiality, and conflict of interest arrangements are in place 
and are regularly reviewed.

Relevant foreign government approvals are also in place to support these 
engagements.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Background 
Transition from Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board to Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 

Panel

A former Minister for Defence Industry appointed the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board in December 2016 for an initial three-year tenure to provide independent expert 
advice directly to Ministers, including members of the National Security Committee of 
Cabinet. 

In December 2019, the former Prime Minister agreed to a 12-month extension of the 
Board’s term.

In November 2020, the former Government agreed a reconstituted Panel would 
replace the Board.

Total expenditure against Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board member contracts for 
services and reimbursables between January 2017 and December 2020 was 
approximately $6.0 million.
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Administration

Secretariat functions and costs associated with supporting the operation of the panel 
are managed by Defence. 

Individual consultancy rates are reflective of the level of expertise each member brings 
to their role on the panel. Each member has been engaged via an individual 
consultancy agreement. 

Reporting of contracts on AusTender reflects the maximum contract value and includes 
services and reimbursables.  
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Membership

The Panel can comprise up to seven eminent individuals with significant experience in 
naval ship design, construction, complex procurement, and national level project 
management.

The Panel currently has six members appointed; the gender balance is five males and 
one female; their nationalities are one Australian, four United States citizens, and one 
citizen of the United Kingdom. 

The current Panel members are:
- Chair: Vice Admiral William Hilarides, United States Navy (Retd), former 
Commander, United States Naval Sea Systems Command (United States citizen);
- Mr Ron Finlay AM, Principal and Chief Executive of Finlay Consulting (Australian 
citizen);
- Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles, United States Navy(Retd), Chief Executive Officer, 
Trident Maritime Systems (United States citizen);
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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- Mr Murray Easton, former Chair of Babcock Facilities Management (Great Britain 
citizen); 
- Mr Howard Fireman, former Senior Vice President and Chief Digital Officer, 
American Bureau of Shipping (United States citizen); and 
- Ms Gloria Valdez, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the US Navy for shipbuilding 
(United States citizen). 
Advice to Government 

The Panel’s advice to Government is in the form of After Action Reports.

The Panel’s advice to Cabinet supports the identification of emerging challenges, risks 
and opportunities, and helps inform decisions required to achieve capability outcomes. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Supplementary Budget Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 11, ADM Consultants, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked (as a follow up to the response tabled to QoN 12 from Budget Estimates on 
9 November 2022) what Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members Vice 
Admiral William Hilarides United States Navy (Retd) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles 
United States Navy (Retd) (as well as Admiral Kirkland Donald United States Navy 
(Retd)) had been paid ‘up to this point’. 
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 10, Paul Sullivan contract, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western Australia) 
asked to be provided with the contract value of Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan United States 
Navy (Retd) covering his time as a member of the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board. 

QoN 12, former US government officials, Senator Jordon Steele-John (Greens, Western 
Australia), asked to be provided with information on what advice Rear Admiral David 
Gale United States Navy (Retd) was providing to the Department as well as the contract 
values for Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel members Vice Admiral William 
Hilarides United States Navy (Retd), Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles United States Navy 
(Retd), and former Submarine Advisory Committee member Admiral Kirkland Donald 
United States Navy (Retd). 
Handling Note: This QoN, updated and tabled on 18 April 2023, corrected the value of 
contract values for Vice Admiral William Hilarides. 

QoN 17, US retired Admirals declaration of other interests, Senator David Shoebridge 
(Greens, New South Wales), asked whether any retired United States Admirals advising 
the government had declared any interests in companies that build nuclear powered 
submarines. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 12 April 2023 
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Key witness: Greg Moriarty
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Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting

26 April 2023 – Defence Strategic Review: US Admiral William Hilarides wins plum job 
reviewing Australian Fleet. The Australian reports that VADM Hilarides “won a lucrative 
Australian contract as the head of a review that will determine the future size and 
structure of the Royal Australian Navy”. The Australian further reports past 
remuneration for VADM Hilarides of $US1.3 million since 2016 and charges of $US4000 
a day for consulting. 

27 April 2023 – Australia pays former US officials $7k a day for advice. The Sydney 
Morning Herald reports that various retired senior US military officers have been paid 
up to $7500 a day for advice on major defence projects. The Herald reports that VADM 
Hilarides “would be hired to lead a snap review of the RAN’s surface fleet” and reports 
he had previously been paid “up to $US1.6 million since 2016” and charged $US4000 a 
day. 

27 April 2023 – Retired US admirals charging Australian taxpayers thousands of dollars 
per day as defence consultants. ABC News reports that several retired US military 
officers (including VADM Hilarides) were contracted by Defence as consultants and 
comments on their remuneration. 

25 April 2023 – Retired US Admiral who has previously advised Australia on 
shipbuilding to lead fresh review on navy’s warship fleet. ABC News reports that VADM 
Hilarides, Ms Huxtable and VADM Mayer will all conduct the analysis into the Navy 
surface Fleet and comments on VADM Hilarides’ remuneration.

25 April 2023 – Retired NSA director won lucrative consulting deals with Saudis, Japan. 
The Washington Post reports on several retired US military officials who have provided 
consultancy services to foreign governments. The Post reports that VADM Hilarides is 
“the second-highest earner” (of this group) who, since 2016, has earned up to $1.6 
million from consulting contracts to the Government of Australia and reports he will be 
leading the independent analysis review.

7 March 2023 – Former top U.S. admiral cashes in on nuclear sub deal with Australia. 
Reporters Craig Whitlock and Nate Jones at the Washington Post published an article 
that focusses on former United States Navy officials consulting the Australian 
government on shipbuilding programs, the work of Admiral John Richardson United 
States Navy (Retd) and specifically mentions Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
members Vice Admiral William Hilarides United States Navy (Retd) and Rear Admiral 
Thomas Eccles United States Navy (Retd) including their purported remuneration. 

23 November 2022 – Labor retains Coalition-appointed shipbuilding adviser on $9,000 
for each day worked. Journalist Daniel Hurst at The Guardian published an article that 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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focussed on work undertaken since the change of government by the Professor Donald 
Winter, the Prime Minister’s Special Adviser on Naval Shipbuilding. The article is 
informed by a Freedom of Information request submitted to the Department of the 
Prime Minister and Cabinet and focuses on his remuneration and says that the 
Government wants the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel ‘to be the main 
external source of naval shipbuilding advice’. 

2 November 2022 – Undue Influence: Defence ‘a tangle of overlapping interests’. 
Journalist Michelle Fahy at Pearls and Irritations wrote about the Commonwealth’s use 
of retired United States Navy personnel and questioned if their advice included the 
cancellation of the Attack Submarine Program and if this represented a conflict of 
interest. 

31 October 2022 – Documents reveal extent of former US military chiefs working for 
Australia. Reporter Charles Miranda at the Daily Telegraph published an article 
suggested there are security and conflict of interest concerns related to retired United 
States Navy personnel advising the Government on shipbuilding programs. 

25 October 2022 – US Admirals driving AUKUS had conflict of interest: Washington 
Post. Reporter Mike Scrafton at Pearls and Irritations published an article that focussed 
on the use of retired United States Navy personnel and potential conflicts of interest.  

24 October 2022 – Crikey published an article titled, Australia’s submarine debacle, and 
how the carousel keeps spinning for retired US Navy officials. The article references the 
Washington Post article regarding the use of retired United States Navy personnel and 
potential conflicts of interest.

18 October 2022 – Retired U.S. admirals advise Australia on deal for nuclear 
submarines (mrt.com). Reporters Craig Whitlock and Nate Jones at The Washington 
Post published an article that focussed on the engagement of retired United States 
personnel in support of shipbuilding and submarines. 
Division:
Associate Secretary Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000395
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Victoria Bergmann, Assistant Secretary 
Victoria Bergmann, Assistant Secretary 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel 
Secretariat, Associate Secretary Group 
Secretariat, Associate Secretary Group 
Mob: s22
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Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 2 May 2023
Date: 10 May 2023 
Consultation: N/A
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Cleared by CFO:  Tracey Mackrow 
Date: 4 April 2023
Cleared Associate Secretary: 
Date: 10 May 2023
Matt Yannopoulos, Associate Secretary, Associate 
Secretary Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Supplementary Budget Estimates 15 February 2023 
ADM Consultants
Senator Jordon Steele John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: In the answers you provided on notice in relation to Rear Admiral 
Thomas Eccles,
Vice Admiral William Hilarides and Admiral Kirkland Donald, the combined total of the 
payments made to those three individuals was some $5.3 million. Can you confirm that was 
the answer you gave to us?
Mr Dalton: The response we gave you in that question on notice is the maximum amount 
they could be paid if they worked all of the days they were allowed to work under their 
contract, so their individual payments will be a total less than that sum.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: How much have they been paid to this point?
Mr Dalton: I'll take that on notice, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: In that context, then, I'm very keen to know how much Admiral 
Richardson has been paid by the department to this point. What is the value of his contract-
those 100 days over two years?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'll take that on notice, Senator.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: And what's the duration of the contract that former Admiral 
Richardson is under?
Vice Adm. Mead: I believe it's approximately two to three years, but I'll take that on notice.
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Given it is a structure to exceed no more than a certain period of time 
over a certain number of days, if you break it down, how much are we paying these 
individuals per hour for their advice?
Vice Adm. Mead: I'd have to take that on notice, Senator.
Answer
Admiral John Richardson USN (Retd) has provided advice to Department since November 
2022. Admiral Richardson has been paid $33,476.64 (excluding GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Admiral Richardson is engaged on a 12-month contract. The contract includes two 12-month 
extension options at the Commonwealth’s discretion. 
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department from December 2017 
to 2022. Admiral Donald was paid $297,319.97 (excluding GST). 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. 
Vice Admiral Hilarides has been paid $1,582,430.82 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016. Rear 
Admiral Eccles has been paid $699,118.68 (including GST) as at 31 December 2022. 
Individual payment rates for Admiral Richardson, Admiral Donald, Vice Admiral Hilarides and 
Rear Admiral Eccles are commercially sensitive.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Paul Sullivan contract
Senator Jordon Steele-John
Spoken Question 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. I'll move to advice that the government has received 
around the partnership and the acquisition of the capability. My understanding is that Paul 
Sullivan, a retired vice admiral who, for a time, was hired as a submarine consultant after 
working at an American national security lab that conducts sensitive research projects for the 
US Navy, was employed by the department under a contract valued at about $414,000 over a 
period of four years. Would you be able to confirm that? That's Vice Admiral Paul E Sullivan. 
Vice Adm. Mead: I'll hand that question over to Mr Tony Dalton. I have not directly employed 
former vice admiral Paul Sullivan. He is working in the US. We do receive advice, and we have 
sought advice from our partners over the past 12 months, as you can imagine, Senator, but 
I've not actually employed Admiral Paul Sullivan. 
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Sullivan was a member of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board. I can take on notice to get the periods during which he was a member of that 
board. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: And the figure of $414,228 for his employment over the four-year 
period? 
Mr Dalton: I'll take that on notice. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. These are figures in the public domain, so, if you would be 
able to come back to the committee before the end of the day with that information, that'd 
be ideal. Would you be able to do that?
Answer
Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (ret) was engaged as a member of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board (NSAB) from 8 December 2016 until 30 December 2020. 
The total not to exceed value of his contract (including services and reimbursables) over this 
period was $550,242.00 (including GST). 
Vice Admiral Sullivan resigned from the NSAB on 5 March 2020.
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Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Former United States government officials 
Senator Jordon Steele-John
Spoken Question
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Mr Dalton, Rear Admiral David Gale was on active duty 
before he submitted his paperwork to the Pentagon to be able to come and work for 
Australia. I believe he has been employed by the department to the tune of US$222,000. I'm 
wondering whether you can confirm his employment status with the department. Mr Dalton: 
I'm not familiar with that particular case, but I will take it on notice. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: It's Rear Admiral David Gale. He was a consultant, and I believe is still a 
consultant, on the Future Frigate program. Then we've got a Mr Thomas Eccles, a former rear 
admiral of the United States who retired in 2013 and has served, I think, for the last five years 
or so as a consultant. What role does the former rear admiral serve with the department? 
Mr Dalton: Admiral Eccles was one of the founding members of the Naval Shipbuilding 
Advisory Board, and his role has continued under the new Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory 
Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Thank you. Finally, there is Mr William Hilarides, a former vice-admiral 
who, I think, is currently in the role of member of the Australian Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board. 
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Hilarides is a foundation member of the Naval 
Shipbuilding Advisory Board and he now chairs the Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Again, the value of the contracts that we have had with— 
Mr Moriarty: If I could, Admiral Hilarides has on a couple of occasions provided evidence to 
this committee. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, I am aware of that. If you can do that, it would be fantastic. 
Finally, in relation to former admiral Donald Kirkland, he was a member of the Australian 
Submarine Advisory Committee? 
Mr Dalton: I can confirm that Admiral Kirkland was a member of the Australian Submarine 
Advisory Committee. He is no longer serving in that capacity. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: No, he is not. He was found to be—it was kind of made public that he 
was also acting at the time as chairman of the Huntington Ingalls Industries group, since 2020 
I believe. 
Mr Dalton: We were aware of his other roles; he had declared that. He wasn't involved in 
providing advice on aspects that touched on Huntington. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: He has stepped back from that position, as of April, because of a 
potential conflict of interest. 
Mr Dalton: From the Submarine Advisory Committee? 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes. 
Mr Dalton: Yes. 
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Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senator STEELE-JOHN: Because of a potential conflict of interest. 
Mr Dalton: With the expansion of the submarine program to include a nuclear powered 
submarine program in which Huntington Ingalls would have an interest. I will just reinforce, in 
his capacity as a member of the Submarine Advisory Committee he did not provide advice on 
nuclear powered submarines. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: I believe his contract was worth about US$255,000, but can you take 
that on notice for me, as well. 
Mr Dalton: Yes. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Finally, can you give us an idea of whether there are any former 
members of the Navy currently advising Defence in relation to the AUKUS negotiations, other 
than the individuals I have listed? 
Mr Dalton: I'm probably not best placed to talk about who is providing advice in relation to 
AUKUS, but I can certainly advise you about the members of the Naval Shipbuilding Expert 
Advisory Panel. 
Senator STEELE-JOHN: Yes, you could, or someone else at the table. 
Mr Moriarty: Senator, we will get you a list of all former members of the US Navy who are 
providing advice to Defence across any program.
Answer
Rear Admiral David Gale USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period 
September 2016 to October 2018 in relation to the Hunter class frigate program and 
continuous naval shipbuilding.
Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Eccles’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $1,214,105.75 
(including GST).
Vice Admiral William Hilarides USN (Retd) has provided advice to Government since 2016 
under a number of contracts. The total not to exceed value of Admiral Hilarides’ contracts 
(including services and reimbursables) for advice through the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory 
Board and Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel over this period is $2,437,298.56 
(including GST).
Admiral Kirkland Donald USN (Retd) provided advice to the Department over the period 
December 2017 to April 2022 in relation to the Collins and Attack class submarine programs. 
The total not to exceed value of Admiral Donald’s contracts (including services and 
reimbursables) for advice through the Submarine Advisory Committee over this period was 
$2,219,351.98 (excluding GST). Admiral Donald resigned with two years remaining on his final 
contract.
Former United States Navy officers currently providing advice to the Department:
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Name
Advisory Capacity
Rear Admiral Thomas ECCLES
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
Vice Admiral William 
Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel
HILARIDES
Captain Vernon HUTTON
Development of nuclear mindset and supporting infrastructure 
and facilities.
Captain Kevin JONES
Development of the Nuclear Stewardship Framework.
Captain Matt KOSNAR
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Admiral John RICHARDSON
Specialist advice on nuclear stewardship, workforce, and 
technical matters.
Commander Andy STEERE
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
Captain Bryan STILL
Provide advice on nuclear-powered submarine shipyards and 
infrastructure.
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United States retired Admirals declaration of other interests
Senator David Shoebridge 
Spoken Question 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Have any other of these retired US admirals had an interest in 
companies that build nuclear-powered submarines? 
Mr Dalton: Not to my knowledge. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: You say 'not to your knowledge'? 
Mr Dalton: Yes, not to my knowledge. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Do you say, sitting there, that you have full knowledge of their 
disclosures? 
Mr Dalton: I have not personally seen their declarations. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Would you take it on notice as to whether or not at any point they 
have an interest in any company that builds nuclear-powered submarines? 
Mr Dalton: We will take that on notice. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Answer
Vice Admiral William Hilarides and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles have not declared any 
interest in companies that build nuclear-powered submarines. 
Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson, and Rear Admiral David Gale did 
not declare any interest in companies that build nuclear-powered submarines.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Victoria Bergmann 
Name: Matt Yannopoulos 
Position: Assistant Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat  
Position: Associate Secretary 
Branch: Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel Secretariat 
Group/Service: Associate Secretary Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Talking Points
South Australia
 Through Australian Naval Infrastructure, the Government has investing more than
$555 million in a state-of-the-art shipyard at Osborne South in support of continuous 
naval shipbuilding.
 Australian Naval Infrastructure is working closely with the Nuclear-Powered Submarine
Task Force to support its future infrastructure needs.

On 25 March 2022, the former Government announced it would lease, through 
Australian Naval Infrastructure, additional land to the north of the Osborne 
precinct to secure it for potential use as part of a future nuclear-powered 
submarine construction yard. 

The lease with Renewal SA is for 45.5 hectares of land. The lease commenced on 
01 July 2022 for one year and has two further one-year extension options. The 
cost of the lease is commercial in confidence. 

Enabling works, starting in 2023, will include above and in ground utility 
relocation, construction of a new access road and other supporting 
infrastructure.
 Under the Cooperation Agreement, recently signed by the Deputy Prime Minister and
Premier for South Australia, the Commonwealth and South Australian Government will 
progress an exchange of land to facilitate the development of the future nuclear-powered 
submarine construction yard, as well as a skills and training academy at Osborne.

This will include exchanging Defence-owned land at Smithfield and Keswick to 
support South Australian urban renewal projects, in consideration for the land 
required at Osborne. 
Western Australia

Infrastructure investment at HMAS Stirling to support the nuclear-powered submarine 
program of up to $8 billion over the next decade is forecast to create around 3,000 
direct jobs, and will include: 

wharf upgrades; 

operational maintenance, logistics and training facilities; and

opportunities for supporting infrastructure outside of HMAS Stirling. 

On 15 March 2022, the former Government announced that it intended to invest up to 
$4.3 billion in large vessel infrastructure at Henderson, Western Australia to support 
continuous naval shipbuilding.

New large ship infrastructure at Henderson would provide an increased sustainment 
capacity as sustainment pressures increase over the coming decades, and will provide 
sovereign onshore redundancy for the Captain Cook Graving Dock. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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At present, Navy’s five large amphibious and replenishment ships can only be 
dry-docked at the Captain Cook Graving Dock in Sydney for routine and 
unscheduled maintenance and repair.

Defence is working with all relevant stakeholders to ensure that options under 
development would see Initial Operating Capability achieved by 2028, as initially 
anticipated.

The Western Australian Government identified the need for new infrastructure in 
its 2020 Strategic Infrastructure and Land Use Plan for the Henderson precinct.

Defence funded scoping studies were completed in February 2023 and further 
capability options are being developed to inform a submission for Government 
consideration in late 2023. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Inquiry into the management and assurance of integrity by consulting services: 
23 March 2023

QoN 13, Consulting services, Senator Barbara Pocock (Greens, South Australia) asked if 
any partners from the “Big 7” are appointed to any boards of sub-committees of 
Defence. 
Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023 

QoN 53, Joint Defence and WA Government Henderson Task Force, Senator the Hon 
Linda Reynolds (Liberal, Western Australia) asked to be supplied the minutes of these 
meetings or any information on what specific action is taken from these meetings.

QoN 54, Henderson and AMC, Senator the Hon. Linda Reynolds (Liberal, Western 
Australia) asked are there any other studies or plans on infrastructure deficiencies or 
updates on Henderson and the Australian Marine Complex. 

QoN 63, Henderson Dry Dock Project, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds (Liberal, 
Western Australia) asked about funding and capital for the Henderson Dry Dock 
Project.
Budget Estimates: 25 November 2022 (Finance Portfolio)

QoN F061, Update on Large Vessel Dry Berth - Henderson, Western Australia, Senator 
the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South Australia) asked for an update on the large 
ship infrastructure.

QoN F062, Funding – Large Vessel Dry Berth – Henderson, Western Australia, Senator 
the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South Australia) asked for information about 
funding for the large ship infrastructure.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 13, Infrastructure Upgrades at the Henderson Precinct, Senator the Hon Linda 
Reynolds (Liberal, Western Australia) asked for a list of all that is funded under the 
Western Australian Governments’ $89 million in fast-tracked infrastructure projects in 
the Henderson precinct; and a list of how $47 million was spent in 2021-22, and $65 
million in 2022-23 is forecast to be spent by Defence on projects in the Henderson 
precinct.

QoN 14, Taskforce reporting effects, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds (Liberal, Western 
Australia asked about the Henderson task force and impacts to delivery timeframes, 
and the quantum and timing of funding.

QoN 40, WA Naval Infrastructure, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds (Liberal, Western 
Australia) asked about Western Australian Naval Infrastructure and the Department of 
Defence’s engagement with the Western Australian Government.

QoN 62, WA Naval Infrastructure, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, Tasmania) asked a 
series of questions relating to Western Australian Naval Infrastructure, funding/budget 
for the large vessel dry berth, and Australian Naval Infrastructure’s involvement in the 
project.

QoN 68, Henderson Infrastructure, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked for information about funding for the large ship infrastructure and 
Australian Naval Infrastructure.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments

On 09 February 2023, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds, (Liberal, Western Australia) 
raised in Parliament concerns for the future of the Henderson shipyard infrastructure 
project stating, that this important sovereign capability, having a dry dock and a 
Defence marine precinct in Henderson on our west coast, is now in jeopardy.

On 18 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to questions from radio 
host Gareth Parker during an interview with 6PR Breakfast regarding decisions about 
the large ship infrastructure in Western Australia.
Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce:

On 1 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister was interviewed by Karl Stefanovic and 
Sarah Abo on Today about the optimal pathway announcement and the industrial base 
of AUKUS partners.

On 30 January 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs held a 
joint press conference in Paris, announcing joint support to Ukraine with France, and 
responding to queries about AUKUS and an interim conventional submarine capability.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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On 25 January 2023, the Prime Minister was interviewed about the nuclear submarine 
acquisition costs and costs of Defence following outcomes of the Defence Strategic 
Review.

On 24 January 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister was interviewed by the Sydney 
Morning Herald about plans for the upcoming announcement of the nuclear-powered 
submarine.

On 23 January 2023, the Minister for Foreign Affairs published an opinion piece 
discussing Australia’s commitment to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and AUKUS 
partner commitments to uphold legal obligations.

On 19 January 2023, the Minister for Foreign Affairs was interviewed on Australia-
China relations, including that AUKUS is about working closely with allies.

On 08 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister held a doorstop interview in 
Washington D.C to discuss the outcomes of AUSMIN and the AUKUS Defence Ministers’ 
Meeting and the intent to operationalise the Australia-United States Alliance. 

On 08 December 2022, the AUKUS Defense Ministerial Joint Statement was released 
following the AUKUS Defence Ministers’ Meeting.

On 06 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs 
held a joint press conference with United States Secretary of State and United States 
Secretary of Defense following the AUSMIN forum.

On 29 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister published an opinion piece in The 
Canberra Times on the strategic imperatives of the AUKUS partnership. 

On 8 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister addressed the Submarine Institute of 
Australia conference where he first used the term “impactful projection” when 
describing the importance of nuclear-powered submarines.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 3 April 2023, the West Australian published article titled, Albanese promises WA will 
be ‘big beneficiary’ of subs deal but avoids Henderson dry dock detail. Journalists Tim 
Clarke and Katina Curtis, wrote Prime Minister Anthony Albanese refused to say 
whether Australia’s nuclear submarine future includes the promised $4 billion dry dock 
in Henderson — but strongly hinted at a jobs boost for Western Australia in 
the AUKUS announcement this week.

On 14 March 2023, the West Australian published article titled, AUKUS: No dry dock 
plan for Henderson despite $8 billion upgrade after nuclear submarine deal. Journalist 
Kimberley Cains stated building a dry dock in Henderson to support the maintenance of 
the nation’s largest vessels is not included in the Federal Government’s $8 billion 
upgrade to naval facilities in Western Australia as part of the AUKUS deal. 

On 12 March 2023, the West Australian published an article titled, Troubled Waters. 
Journalist Kimberley Cains stated that Western Australia is hoping the billions of dollars 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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to be spent on AUKUS won't leave this state high and dry over a major project 
promised for the Henderson shipyard.

On 9 November 2022, the West Australian published an article titled, Billions still set 
aside for Henderson dry dock but Albanese Government yet to make final decision on 
project. Journalist Kimberley Caines, stated that the $4.3 billion for the Henderson dry 
dock is still set aside by the Federal Government but a final decision on whether the 
project will go ahead has been delayed, pending the Defence Strategic Review. 

On 6 November 2022 the West Australian published an article titled, McGowan 
Government calls for UK and US submarines to be based in WA as part of defence force 
submission. Journalist Peter Law stated that funding for a $4.3 billion pre-election 
commitment by the former Morrison Government to build a large vessel dry dock at 
Henderson was not in either of this year’s Federal budgets.

On 14 October 2022 the West Australian published an article titled, Albanese 
Government commits to building Navy’s Henderson dry dock but $4.3 billion cost is 
under question. Journalist Kimberley Caines wrote that the Western Australian project 
will transform the Henderson maritime precinct into a world-class shipbuilding 
powerhouse, but there are questions over whether the $4.3 billion investment is for a 
wider scope than just building the dry dock.
Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce:

On 03 April 2023, The Australian, in an article titled Beijing keen on a “new frontier” 
reported on comments made by the Chinese Ambassador to Australia Xiao Qian in 
which he praised the normalisation of ties between Australia and China but described 
AUKUS as a bad idea. 

On 30 March 2023, The Guardian published an article titled “AUKUS spending sparks 
calls to boost Australia’s aid budget.” Journalist Daniel Hurst reported that there are 
calls for Australia to boost its aid budget now that the AUKUS costs have been 
revealed. 

On 29 March 2023, The Advertiser published an article titled Labor and union 
movement at odds over AUKUS nuclear submarine deal. Journalist Catie McLeod 
reported in that the Australian Council of Trade Unions backed a nuclear free defence 
policy and is yet to come to a final position on AUKUS.

On 28 March 2023, the Pacific Islands News Association published an article titled 
AUKUS is ‘going against’ Pacific Nuclear free treaty – Forum Chair. Journalist Pita 
Ligaiula reported that the Cook Islands Prime Minister Mark Brown joined a growing list 
of Pacific leaders objecting to the AUKUS deal. 

On 24 March 2023, the Age published an article titled “Dividing world”: NZ no fan of 
AUKUS subs. Journalist Matthew Knott reported that a senior New Zealand politician 
has raised concerns that Australia acquiring nuclear powered submarines makes the 
region less safe.

On 23 March 2023, The Australian Financial Review published an article titled AUKUS 
tech sharing clears first hurdle in US Congress. Journalist Matthew Cranston reported 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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that the United States congress passed a bill which loosened controls on military 
technology sharing under AUKUS.

On 22 March 2023 The Guardian published an article titled Australia’s $3bn AUKUS bill 
to boost US and UK industry may go even higher. Journalist Daniel Hurst reported that 
there are concerns the $3 billion that is to be spent on the United States and United 
Kingdom shipbuilding capability may climb even higher.

On 21 March 2023, The Australian Financial Review published an article titled Caucus 
raucous over AUKUS as dissent surfaces. Journalist Phillip Coorey reported concerns 
within the Labor party about the challenges posed by AUKUS.

On 20 March 2023, the Cairns Post published an article titled Osborne Shipyard to 
triple in size for AUKUS nuclear submarines. Journalist Gabriel Polychronis reported the 
Osborne shipyard is expected to triple in size to accommodate building nuclear-
powered submarines.

On 20 March 2023, The Sydney Morning Herald published an article titled Building own 
subs “not most cost-effective”. Journalist Shane Wright reported the Productivity 
Commission has raised concerns about the cost effectiveness of building nuclear 
powered submarines in Australia as opposed to importing them from overseas.

On 17 March 2023, The Guardian published an article titled Wollongong residents react 
angrily to reports Port Kembla will be east coast base for Aukus submarines. Journalist 
Paul Karp reported there was opposition from Wollongong residents about the 
potential east coast base at Port Kembla.

On 17 March 2023, the NT News published an article titled New deal sub-par: Turnbull
Journalist Ellen Ransley reported Malcolm Turnbull had raised concerns of costs and 
sovereignty with regards to the AUKUS agreement. 

On 16 March 2023, The Australian published an article titled “Family comes first”: Fiji 
lends full support for defence pact. Journalist Joe Kelly reported Fijian Prime Minister 
Sitiveni Rabuka has assured Australia of his support for the AUKUS agreement.

On 16 March 2023, ABC News published an article titled State premiers disagree over 
who should host nuclear waste from AUKUS submarines. Journalists Eugene Boisvert, 
James Carmody, Leah MacLennan, and Lucas Forbes reported there was growing 
discontent among premiers about where nuclear waste from AUKUS submarines will 
be stored.

On 15 March 2023, former Prime Minister Paul Keating released a statement titled 
AUKUS Statement by PJ Keating, The National Press Club. Mr Keating criticised the 
AUKUS agreement as an unnecessary provocation of China and an affront to Australian 
sovereignty.

On 15 March 2023, Ben Packham released an explainer in The Australian “Our freedom 
fleet” on the Optimal Pathway, including the timelines and costs involved with 
Australia’s nuclear submarine purchases.
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
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Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Division:
Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000396
Prepared by:
Cleared by Group/Service Head:
s47E(d)
Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm 
Executive Program Director Large Vessel 
Acting Deputy Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding 
Infrastructure
and Sustainment Group
Mob:  s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
  
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date:  26 April 2023
Date:  18 May 2023
Consultation: 
Andy Cann, First Assistant Secretary, Nuclear 
Powered Submarine Taskforce
Cleared by DSR: 
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
DSR Task Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by CFO / DPG: NA
Cleared by: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm, Acting 
Date: 18 May 2023 
Deputy Secretary, Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment 
Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Inquiry into the management and assurance of integrity by consulting services 

Consulting Services
Senator Barbara Pocock
Question
The following question relates to the below consulting/accounting firms that will be referred 
to as the “Big 7.” If answering in the affirmative to any of the below questions, specify which 
of the Big 7 firms you are referring to.  

Deloitte 

EY 

KPMG

PwC  

McKinsey  

Boston Consulting  

Accenture 
Are any former partners of each of the Big 7 appointed to any boards or sub-committees of 
Defence?
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Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
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Answer
Defence does not keep records of former employers in its HR system (PMKeyS) and is 
therefore unable to run a search under these parameters. Defence believes that surveying 
the entire workforce to obtain this information would unreasonably divert the resources of 
the Department.
Supplementary Estimates
Joint Defence and WA Government Henderson Task Force 
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question
I understand the Joint Defence and WA Government Henderson Task Force meets quarterly 
and is updated by the WA Government routinely on its planning for Henderson 
infrastructure. 
Can you please supply the minutes of these meetings or any information on what specific 
action is taken from these meetings? 
Answer
The Joint Department of Defence / Western Australian Government Henderson Task Force 
meets regularly to discuss and progress the future development of the Henderson Maritime 
Precinct.  The actions arising from the Task Force include:
a) Updates on planning and development at the Henderson Precinct;
b) Planning for fit-for-purpose naval shipbuilding and sustainment infrastructure to 
support the growing needs; and
c) Facilitating inter-governmental matters.
Supplementary Estimates
Henderson and AMC
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question:
We have the: 
 • 2019-20 WA Government AMC Strategic Infrastructure and Land Use Plan 
 • 2020 Defence Henderson Shipbuilding Sustainment Infrastructure Review 
 • 2021 WA State Government position paper on the AMC 
 • 2021-2022 Integrated Infrastructure Program study- Funded by Defence with the WA Govt 
Are there any other studies or plans on infrastructure deficiencies or updates on Henderson 
and the AMC?
Answer:
The Department of Defence provided $9 million in funding to the Western Australian 
Government to undertake studies, including the studies identified, within an Integrated 
Infrastructure Program.  These studies were led by the Western Australian Government in 
collaboration with Defence.  Additional studies undertaken within this program include 
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Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
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Integrated Transport Program study, Maritime and Advanced Collaboration and Technology 
Hub study, Alternative Energies study, Southern Breakwaters Condition study and the 
Northern Harbour Demand study.  These studies will be used to inform any further 
development of Henderson and the AMC.
The Department of Defence continues to consult with the Western Australian Government 
on future naval shipbuilding and sustainment needs at Henderson.
Supplementary Estimates
Henderson Dry Dock
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question
1. In Defence’s response to Questions on Notice about funding for a large vessel dry berth at 
Henderson, you noted, “The capital costs of the infrastructure will be funded through ANI, 
using equity injected by Government (not the Department of Defence) or through ANI’s 
ability to raise capital from the market.” Previously, equity funding from the Commonwealth 
was used for construction and acquisition at Osborne.
A) Is the $4.3 billion allocated by the previous government for the Henderson dry 
berth project currently in the IIP Broadsheet?
B) Why has the Government decided that ANI should raise its own capital for this 
project?
C) Has ANI been consulted on its ability to raise capital from the market to fund the 
project in its entirety or partly?
D) Have Defence expended any funding in relation to this project since the October 
2022 Budget? E.g. on feasibility studies?
E) Has Defence contracted any consultancies to provide advice on this project? Can 
you provide details?
2. In the March 2022 Budget, construction for the project was scheduled to commence in 
2023, initial operating capability was 2028 and full operational capability in 2030. At Senate 
Estimates in November the Department of Defence said that the final investment decision for 
the project had been delayed until mid-2023. Can Defence please provide an updated 
timeline for delivery of this project?
A) Defence’s response to QON62: “Subject to Government consideration of the final 
capability solution, initial operational capability is anticipated in 2028 with full operational 
capability in the early 2030s.” How will Defence make up the time after more than a year in 
delays since the original announcement, and no decision due until mid-2023 at the very 
earliest?
B) During Senate Estimates in April 2022, Senator Wong asked whether at some point 
in the next five years there would be a period in which Australia does not have a dry dock 
available. Rear Admiral Malcolm responded: “That is possible.” Given Labor have now 
delayed this project by a year, with an investment decision still months away. Can you 
confirm that is capability gap is now a certainty?
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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C) What is the current funding and scheduled for the upgrades to the Captain Cook 
Graving Dock?
D) What is the plan for the period where Henderson is not operational, and Captain 
Cook is not operational?
E) Has a location at Henderson been identified and confirmed for the Dry Dock?
3. Please list all of Defence’s engagement with the WA Government on the project since May 
2022?
A) When did the Government inform the Government of Western Australia about the 
delay in a final investment decision?
Answer
1. A) The former Government made an announcement on 15 March 2022 to “invest up to 
$4.3 billion to deliver Western Australia’s first large vessel dry berth. Funding for the project was 
not allocated by the former Government at that time. 
B) The former Government selected ANI to design, construct, deliver and maintain the planned 
infrastructure. Infrastructure delivered by ANI is typically funded using a mix of equity, debt and 
internally generated cash flows. 
C) Defence is working closely with ANI on options for Government consideration in 2023. 
D) Yes. 
E) Aurecon Australia has been engaged to develop functional requirements for large vessel 
infrastructure at Henderson. 
2. Defence is currently working to deliver initial operating capability from late 2020s, subject to 
Government consideration and taking into account the outcomes of the Defence Strategic 
Review and the optimal pathway for acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines. 
A) Refer to answer 2. 
B) Refer to answer 2. 
C and D) The Captain Cook Graving Dock refurbishment is tentatively scheduled to occur in the 
late 2020s as part of the Garden Island Redevelopment Project. To support this, Defence will 
progress a detailed business case. 
E) Yes. 
3. The Department co-chairs the Joint Defence and WA Government Henderson Task Force that 
meets quarterly. 
A) Refer to answer 3. 
Budget Estimates (Finance and Public Administration)
Henderson large vessel dry berth
Senator Simon Birmingham
Question
1. Can ANI provide an update on the work that they have undertaken to date on the $4.3 
billion large vessel dry berth at Henderson in Western Australia?
2. In ANI’s 2021-22 Annual Report (p29) it is stated that “ANI is working with the
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Commonwealth and the WA Government to progress this project, noting it is still in early 
planning stages.’ Can you provide an update on engagement with both levels of 
Government?
3. Has ANI been provided any additional grant or equity funding to commence work on this 
project? If yes, please provide details.
4. Has ANI been briefed by Finance and/or Defence on a change of decision for the project’s 
delivery or funding? If yes, please provide details.
5. In April 2022 ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave the following evidence, “ANI has now been 
down selected, and we’ve been formally advised that we will be involved now in the design 
and ultimately the build of that infrastructure.”
a. Does this remain ANI’s understanding of their role in the project?
b. Is it ANI’s understanding that the $4.3 billion allocated in the March 2022 Budget would be 
provided to ANI as an equity injection to fund the design and build of the project?
c. If no, what is ANI’s current understanding of their involvement and funding expectations 
for the project?
6. Has a location for the project at Henderson been selected?
a. Please provide details?
7. At Senate Estimates the Department of Defence said that the final investment decision for 
the project had been delayed until mid-2023. Was ANI made aware of this delay?
8. In the March Budget, construction for the project was scheduled to commence in 2023, 
initial operating capability was 2028 and full operational capability in 2030. How will the 
delay in the final investment decision impact these timelines?
9. Can ANI confirm if there will be a period in the next five to 10 years where Australia will 
not have an operational dry dock? If so, when and for how long?
10. Have any of the Ministers in the Defence Portfolio met with ANI to discuss the project? If 
so when and who?
Answer
1. ANI has been assisting Defence’s large vessel dry berth (LVDB) project team by undertaking 
a peer review of the integrated infrastructure program (IIP) studies undertaken by the 
Department of Defence jointly with the WA Government, which considered various options 
for the development. In addition, ANI has been familiarising itself with the Henderson 
precinct, developing an understanding of environmental and planning approval 
requirements, and planning to undertake environmental background monitoring to inform a 
future environmental impact assessment.
2. ANI participates in a Steering Group established jointly by the Department of Defence and
Department of Finance to oversee the project, and in a working group that reports back to 
that Steering Group. ANI participates in meetings of the joint WA Government and 
Commonwealth Task Force for the LVDB project, and a working group that reports back to 
that Task Force. ANI regularly meets with the Defence LVDB project team to report back on 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
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findings of its peer review activities and to take instruction on additional review tasks to help 
inform future Government decisions.
3. No.
4. ANI has been advised that the outcomes of the Defence Strategic Review (DSR) will need to 
be considered as part of future Government decisions on the project. In April 2022, ANI’s 
understanding was that there was an intention to approach Government for project 
approvals at the end of 2022, but that has now been postponed to mid-2023 after the DSR is 
complete. ANI has not been advised of any change as to funding. ANI’s understanding has 
always been that although the ANI model has been chosen for delivery of the infrastructure, 
that funding may come from a variety of sources.
5. a. Yes.
b. No.
c. The Department of Finance, Department of Defence and ANI are working together to 
consider various funding options for the proposed infrastructure investment.
6. The precise location has not yet been determined.
7. Yes.
8. The project timelines will be dependent on the infrastructure capability options chosen.
9. No. That is a question for the Department of Defence.
10. ANI has participated in three meetings with Ministers at the Osborne Naval Shipyard to 
discuss ANI’s key activities generally, including the Henderson LVDB project. On 6 July 2022, 
ANI’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) met with the Deputy Prime Minister, the 
Hon Richard Marles MP. On 10 August 2022, ANI’s CEO met with the Assistant Minister for 
Defence, the Hon Matt Thistlethwaite MP. On 17 August 2022, ANI’s CEO met with the 
Minister for Defence Industry, the Hon Pat Conroy MP.
Budget Estimates (Finance and Public Administration)
Henderson large vessel dry berth
Senator Simon Birmingham
Question
Can the Department confirm if there has been a change in the funding amount or 
arrangements (including delivery mechanism) for the $4.3 billion large-vessel dry berth at 
Henderson, WA as published in the March 2022 Budget?
a. If yes, please explain why this decision was not reflected in Budget Paper 2 of the October 
Budget?
2. During Senate Estimates Defence stated that the $4.3 billion for the large vessel dry berth 
at Henderson, WA was “not part of their Budget.” The March 2022 Budget measure (BP2, 
p71) states “the cost of this measure will be met from within the existing resource of the 
Department of Defence.”
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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a. Can the Department explain how the funding is not in the Defence Budget but is being 
funded by Defence resources?
3. In relation to the $4.3 billion funding decision, the Government told the April 2022 
Estimates hearings that “the Government has determined that a government-owned and 
government-led agency through Australian Naval Infrastructure (ANI) is the optimal way to 
provide for the secure, sensitive delivery of critical naval infrastructure for the future.”
a. When did the Government reverse the decision to use ANI to design and construct the 
project?
b. As a Shareholder Department has Finance provided any advice on alternative delivery 
mechanisms for the project instead of equity through ANI?
4. Has Finance and/or the Finance Minister met with ANI on the project? If yes, when and 
with you?
5. Defence Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton referred to the funding being “pre-decisional by 
government”.
a. Can the Department explain this phrase given a decision was published and announced in 
the March Budget?
6. Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton also stated at November 2022 Estimates the funding was for 
lease arrangements. However, ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave evidence in April 2022 under 
questioning from Senator Penny Wong that the $4.3 billion was for design and build of the 
large-vessel dry berth.
a. Please explain when the purpose of the funding was changed and why?
b. How will the funding be used for lease arrangements?
c. Has Finance informed ANI of the change in purpose of the funding?
d. How will the project be constructed if not with funding from the Commonwealth?
Answer
1. The previous Government announced in March 2022 that up to $4.3 billion would be 
invested in a large vessel dry berth at Henderson. The announcement was based on early 
rough-order-of-magnitude cost, prior to detailed technical investigations and engagement 
with Australian Naval Infrastructure (ANI) on constructability of the infrastructure. 
Subsequent work has revealed that initial cost estimates were insufficient to deliver the 
capability contemplated. The Department of Finance, the Department of Defence and 
Australian Naval Infrastructure (ANI) are working collectively together to identify a range of 
capability solutions. The current Government has not taken any further decisions in relation 
to this proposed infrastructure investment, which is being considered in the context of the 
Defence Strategic Review.
2. Should Government decide to fund the investment through ANI, capital costs of the 
infrastructure will be funded through ANI (not the Department of Defence). The model would 
allow shipbuilders to subsequently lease the infrastructure from ANI with the cost of the 
lease set by ANI to generate a reasonable return on investment.
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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3a. The proposed infrastructure investment is being considered by the Government in the 
context of the Defence Strategic Review.
3b. N/A.
4. The Department of Finance has regular discussions with ANI. On 14 July 2022, the Minister 
for Finance, Senator the Hon Katy Gallagher attended an ANI-led tour of the Australian 
Marine Complex, Henderson, and its Common User Facilities. A senior official from the 
Department of Finance attended.
5. Refer to Q3a above.
6. Refer to Q2 above.
Budget Estimates
Infrastructure Upgrades at the Henderson Precinct
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question 
Senator REYNOLDS: Just before you do, the current review that will report at the end of the 
year to the task force also includes the dry dock proposal and the funding that's associated 
with that. Is that correct?
Rear Adm. Malcolm: No. What I would note is that we are working together with WA to look 
at what the optimal ways are that we could deliver the precinct. The announcement that was 
made by the former government—
Senator REYNOLDS: When you say 'the precinct', are you talking about the entire Henderson 
precinct or a defence precinct?
Rear Adm. Malcolm: The Henderson precinct. For instance, we've worked very closely with 
WA on a number of their fast-tracked infrastructure projects. So that's $89 million that the 
state government has actually put into that, including wharf upgrades, vessel transfer 
pathways and transport improvements in the area.
Senator REYNOLDS: Could you, on notice, give me a list of all that's funded under that $89 
million in terms of works, and what the schedule is for those works?
Rear Adm. Malcolm: Yes. I will seek that from the WA task force.
Mr Fankhauser: I could add to that. Up until 30 June of this year, we had spent $47 million 
directly from the defence budget on projects in the Henderson precinct. This financial year 
we're expecting to add a further $65 million to that expenditure. That's primarily to support 
future capabilities—the offshore patrol vessel, and—
Senator REYNOLDS: Could I ask for that on notice? A list of how that $47 million for last 
financial year was spent, plus the upcoming $65 million and projects and time lines for those 
as well?
Mr Fankhauser: Certainly.
Answer
Western Australian Government Henderson Projects
Project Name Description
Schedule
Prepared By:
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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Vessel 
Design and construction of an  The vessel transfer path is currently 
Transfer Path  upgraded vessel transfer path  operational, having achieved practical 
Project
between the floating dock and  completion in early 2022
the shipbuilding and 
sustainment facilities
Wharf 
Design and construction of an  Construction of the wharf extension 
Extension and  extension to the existing 
infrastructure forecast for completion 
Finger Wharf  wharf 1 and the design of a 
end November 2022 and the power 
Design 
new finger wharf
services forecast for completion end 
Project
March 2023. The finger wharf design 
completed in early 2022
Intersection 
Upgrade of three road 
At the most recent Joint Henderson Task 
Upgrades 
intersections to increase road  Force meeting on 30 November 2022, 
Project
capacity and safety, reduce 
the WA Government confirmed practical 
vehicle congestion and 
completion had occurred for the 
improve access
Intersection Upgrades Project at 
Henderson with landscaping still 
scheduled for completion by the end of 
June 2023 (to avoid die-back over 
summer).
Commercial 
New shipbuilding facility in the  Practical completion forecast for end 
Shipbuilding 
northern harbour to activate 
June 2023
Hall Project
underutilised land and support 
commercial shipbuilding and 
sustainment
Department of Defence Henderson Projects
Defence is delivering the Henderson Capability Centre which commenced construction in July 
2021 and is forecast for completion in mid-2023. In 2021-22, a total of $47.4 million was 
spent on civil works, in ground services and building construction. In 2022-23, the forecast 
spend is $65.2 million on external and internal building fit-out works.
 
Budget Estimates
Taskforce Reporting Effects
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question
Senator REYNOLDS: Please take this on notice. With the review, with the task force reporting 
options at the end of the year as you've just described, what does that then push the time 
frame out to fully deliver the new works over the next decade or so at Henderson? What sort 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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of quantum of funding are you now looking at? What is the funding profile for all of that work 
in totality? Thank you.
Answer
The former Government announced on 15 March 2022 that it intended to invest up to $4.3 
billion to develop large ship infrastructure at Henderson to support continuous naval 
shipbuilding in the west. Australian Naval Infrastructure will be the Government’s delivery 
partner for this program.
Defence continues to work with Australian Naval Infrastructure and the Western Australian 
Government to develop options for large vessel infrastructure at Henderson.
Defence is working with all relevant stakeholders to ensure that options under development 
would achieve initial operating capability by 2028, as initially anticipated.
Defence will provide advice to Government by in 2023 on capability options, taking into 
account the outcomes of the Defence Strategic Review and the optimal pathway for 
acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines. The funding profile will be determined following 
consideration by Government of the capability options.
Budget Estimates
WA Naval Infrastructure
Senator Linda Reynolds
Question
With reference to the reporting in the West Australian, 6 November 2022, of the WA 
government’s submission to the Defence Strategic Review (DSR) proposing a plan to enhance 
WA naval infrastructure:
1. Has the Department of Defence (Department) been briefed on the proposed investment 
and development of WA naval port infrastructure to support Australia’s national defence, 
and under AUKUS, to make it possible for US and UK naval vessels to dock in WA?
2. Have the proposals been provisioned or otherwise contemplated in the Budget in respect 
of the Department? If yes, please provide details.
3. Has the Department been contacted by WA Defence Industry Minister Paul Papalia, or any 
other representative of the WA Government, to discuss or participate in briefings on the 
proposals? 
If yes, has the Department been briefed and how has the Department responded?
4. What plans are being considered, and pursued, in relation to these proposals?
5. What additional costs and resourcing have been considered to implement these 
proposals?
6. What briefings/reports have been provided by, or given to, the Department in relation to 
the capacity of US or UK naval vessels to use current or enhanced WA port facilities (including 
HMAS Stirling, or the proposed large vessel dry berth at Henderson, WA)?
Answer
1. Yes. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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2. Defence is continuing to work in collaboration with the Western Australian Government 
and Australian Naval Infrastructure to develop options for large vessel infrastructure at 
Henderson, Western Australia. 
3. The Department co-chairs the Joint Defence and WA Government Henderson Task Force 
that meets quarterly. The WA Government routinely updates the task force on its planning 
for Henderson infrastructure. There has not been any specific interaction between the 
Department, WA Government Ministers or the task force on the WA Government’s 
submission to the Defence Strategic Review.
4. Refer to answer 2.
5. Refer to answer 2.
6. The Nuclear-Powered Submarine Taskforce continues to investigate what is required to 
maintain, support and sustain nuclear-powered submarines in Western Australia, 
including at HMAS Stirling and Henderson. Understanding these requirements will also 
enable Australia to support the more frequent presence of United Kingdom and United 
States nuclear-powered submarines in the region.
Budget Estimates
WA Naval Infrastructure
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
1. During Senate Estimates Defence stated that the $4.3 billion for the large vessel dry berth 
at Henderson, WA was “not part of their Budget.”
a. The March 2022 Budget measure (BP2, p71) states “the cost of this measure will be met 
from within the existing resource of the Department of Defence.”
• Has Defence transferred all or part of the funding to the Contingency Reserve, another 
Department or Government Business Enterprise?
• If not, then how can the funding no longer be considered as part of the Defence Budget but 
be funded from Defence resources?
2. Can the Department provide the funding profile for the project, noting that evidence was 
provided at Senate Estimates that it is currently provisioned post 2030?
3. Former Finance Minister Senator Simon Birmingham stated in relation to the $4.3 billion 
funding decision during the April 2022 Estimates hearings that “the Government has 
determined that a government-owned and government-led agency through Australian Naval 
Infrastructure (ANI) is the optimal way to provide for the secure, sensitive delivery of critical 
naval infrastructure for the future.”
a. When did the Government reverse the decision to use ANI to design and construct the 
project?
b. When was ANI informed? And by who?
c. Why did the Government make no announcement of this decision?
4. When did the Government inform the Government of Western Australia about the delay in 
a final investment decision and a change in the delivery mechanism?
5. Have any of the Ministers in the Defence Portfolio met with ANI to discuss the project? If 
yes, when and who?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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6. Have any of the Ministers in the Defence Portfolio met with anyone in the WA Government 
to discuss the project? If yes, when and who?
7. In the March Budget, construction for the project was scheduled to commence in 2023, 
initial operating capability was 2028 and full operational capability in 2030. At Senate 
Estimates the Department of Defence said that the final investment decision for the project 
had been delayed until mid-2023. Can Defence please provide an updated timeline for 
delivery of this project?
8. Can Defence confirm if there will be a period in the next five to 10 years where Australia 
will not have an operational dry dock? If so, when and for how long? How has the delay in 
delivery of this project impact this capability gap?
9. In Senate Estimates Defence Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton referred to the funding being 
“pre-decisional by government”.
a. Can the Department explain this phrase given a decision was published and announced in 
the March Budget?
b. ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave evidence in April 2022 to Estimates that Mr Dalton 
personally advised him on 11 March 2022 that ANI had been down selected to build and own 
the infrastructure. If the project was ‘pre-decisional’ why did Mr Dalton inform ANI of this?
10. Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton also stated at Estimates the funding was for lease 
arrangements. However, ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave evidence in April 2022 under 
questioning from Senator Penny Wong that the $4.3 billion was for the design and build of 
the large-vessel dry berth.
a. Please explain when the purpose of the funding was changed and why?
b. How will the funding be used for lease arrangements?
c. Has Defence informed ANI of the change in purpose of the funding?
d. How will the project be constructed if not with funding from the Commonwealth?
Answer
1. The capital costs of the infrastructure will be funded through ANI, using equity injected by 
Government (not the Department of Defence) or through ANI’s ability to raise capital from 
the market. Shipbuilders will subsequently lease the infrastructure from ANI. The cost of 
the lease will be set by ANI to generate a reasonable return on investment. The 
shipbuilders recover the cost of the lease through shipbuilding contracts with Defence. 
Defence has budget provisions in future years to cover these costs inside the shipbuilding 
contracts.
2. No. The Defence provision covers the expected additional costs to future shipbuilding 
contracts through which shipbuilders will recover the lease costs associated with using the 
infrastructure.
The funding profile for the infrastructure build program is a matter for ANI once 
Government approves the final capability solution. 
3. The Government has not reversed the decision to use ANI to design, construct, deliver and 
maintain the planned infrastructure. 
4. Defence is working towards an initial operational capability in 2028, this has not changed 
from what the Western Australian Government has been advised.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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5. ANI routinely meets with portfolio Ministers to discuss a range of matters.
6. Defence Portfolio Ministers routinely discuss a range of matters relating to the Defence 
portfolio with Western Australian Government Ministers and officials.
7. Subject to Government consideration of the final capability solution, an initial operational 
capability is anticipated in 2028 with full operational capability in the early 2030s. 
8. Refurbishment of the Captain Cook Graving Dock in New South Wales is expected to occur 
later this decade. A range of mitigations, including potentially sequencing infrastructure 
works at Henderson, will be considered in managing this risk.
9. a) The final capability solution has not been considered by Government, hence it remains 
‘pre-decisional.’ Defence will provide advice to Government in 2023 on capability options, 
taking into account the outcomes of the Defence Strategic Review and the optimal 
pathway for acquisition of nuclear-submarines.
b) ANI was selected by the former Government in March 2022 as the delivery partner for 
the large vessel infrastructure at Henderson.
10. There has been no change in the purpose of the funding.
Budget Estimates
Henderson Infrastructure
Senator Simon Birmingham
Question
1. During Senate Estimates Defence stated that the $4.3 billion for the large vessel dry berth 
at Henderson, WA was “not part of their Budget.”
a. The March 2022 Budget measure (BP2, p71) states “the cost of this measure will be met 
from within the existing resource of the Department of Defence.”
• Has Defence transferred all or part of the funding to the Contingency Reserve, another 
Department or Government Business Enterprise?
• If not, then how can the funding no longer be considered as part of the Defence Budget but 
be funded from Defence resources?
2. Can the Department provide the funding profile for the project, noting that evidence was 
provided at Senate Estimates that it is currently provisioned post 2030?
3. Former Finance Minister Senator Simon Birmingham stated in relation to the $4.3 billion 
funding decision during the April 2022 Estimates hearings that “the Government has 
determined that a government-owned and government-led agency through Australian Naval 
Infrastructure (ANI) is the optimal way to provide for the secure, sensitive delivery of critical 
naval infrastructure for the future.”
a. When did the Government reverse the decision to use ANI to design and construct the 
project?
b. When was ANI informed? And by who?
c. Why did the Government make no announcement of this decision?
4. When did the Government inform the Government of Western Australia about the delay in 
a final investment decision and a change in the delivery mechanism?
5. Have any of the Ministers in the Defence Portfolio met with ANI to discuss the project? If 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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yes, when and who?
6. Have any of the Ministers in the Defence Portfolio met with anyone in the WA Government 
to discuss the project? If yes, when and who?
7. In the March Budget, construction for the project was scheduled to commence in 2023, 
initial operating capability was 2028 and full operational capability in 2030. At Senate 
Estimates the Department of Defence said that the final investment decision for the project 
had been delayed until mid-2023. Can Defence please provide an updated timeline for 
delivery of this project?
8. Can Defence confirm if there will be a period in the next five to 10 years where Australia 
will not have an operational dry dock? If so, when and for how long? How has the delay in 
delivery of this project impact this capability gap?
9. Defence Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton referred to the funding being “pre-decisional by 
government”.
a. Can the Department explain this phrase given a decision was published and announced in 
the March Budget?
b. ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave evidence in April 2022 to Estimates that Mr Dalton 
personally advised him on 11 March 2022 that ANI had been down selected to build and own 
the infrastructure. If the project was ‘pre-decisional’ why did Mr Dalton inform ANI of this?
10. Deputy Secretary Tony Dalton also stated at Estimates the funding was for lease 
arrangements. However, ANI CEO Andrew Seaton gave evidence in April 2022 under 
questioning from Senator Penny Wong that the $4.3 billion was for design and build of the 
large-vessel dry berth.
a. Please explain when the purpose of the funding was changed and why?
b. How will the funding be used for lease arrangements?
c. Has Defence informed ANI of the change in purpose of the funding?
d. How will the project be constructed if not with funding from the Commonwealth?
Answer
Refer to Question No. 62
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Rear Admiral Wendy Malcolm
Position: Executive Program Director Large Vessel Infrastructure
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Enterprise HQ 
Group: Naval Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone:  s47E(d)  / s22
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 Investing in Land Combat Vehicle modernisation will ensure Army remains competitive 
at a time when regional military modernisation and technological advances erode our 
advantage.
Land 200 Phase 2 Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle (Boxer)
 The Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle (Boxer) is achieving success here and has export 
potential.

The Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle entered service in mid-2022.

Boxer Block I has completed field training, including live fire, at Wide Bay 
Training Area, Queensland in March 2023. 
 Rheinmetall’s manufacturing facility in Brisbane has started producing Boxer Block II. 

The Australian Industry Capability level for the project is over 65 per cent, with a 
$10.2 billion investment in Australian goods and services over 30 years. 

Independent analysis by PricewaterhouseCoopers suggests that more than 40 
companies will benefit all around Australia, creating a peak of 1,450 jobs 
nationally. 
 The Minister for Defence Industry and his German counterpart, Thomas Hitschler, 
signed a Letter of Cooperation on 23 March 2023 to negotiate the possible export of 
more than 100 Boxer Heavy Weapon Carrier vehicles for the German Army.
If asked: How will possible export to Germany affect Phase 2?

The possible export of heavy weapons carriers will not negatively affect the 
delivery of Land 400 Phase 2. Should the order proceed, it will provide 
opportunity to strengthen the supply chains for the project through the 
expansion of production in the facility.
Land 400 Phase 3 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
 Government has accepted the advice of the independent Defence Strategic Review to 
reduce the number of vehicles being sought under Land 400 Phase 3 from up to 450 
(three mechanised battalions) to 129 (one mechanised battalion). 
 This will provide one mechanised battalion (94 vehicles), including training (16 vehicles), 
repair and attrition stock (19 vehicles). There will be variants procured including the 
infantry role (78 vehicles) and command and control / joint fires role (51 vehicles).
 Land 400 Phase 3 is a live tender process: Government has not made a decision on the 
successful tenderer at this stage.
 The proposed Infantry Fighting Vehicle is a core component of the Land Combat System. 
It provides firepower, protection and mobility to Integrated ADF ground forces as they 
close within direct fire range of enemy positions.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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A wide range of potential adversaries can obtain damaging direct fire weapons 
such as anti-tank rockets and large calibre rifles. No other vehicle in the 
Australian inventory can protect our troops against these threats to the level 
provided by the Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

The Infantry Fighting Vehicle will provide the necessary protection for Australian 
soldiers, contribute to deterrence as the core of Australia’s credible land combat 
force, and give Army the ability to fight and win in a broad range of 
environments.
 The Land 400 Phase 3 project is a live tender process involving tenders from two 
companies, Hanwha Defense Australia and Rheinmetall Defence Australia. 

Defence has worked closely with both companies during the tender process, 
and provided guidance to support discussions with their industry partners on 
the decision to defer the project until the Government considered the findings 
of the Defence Strategic Review.

Defence is still analysing the implications of the Defence Strategic Review and 
will provide advice to Government when those implications are understood.

There is no timeframe currently available for this advice.
If pressed: Has the Government decided on a successful tenderer for Land 400 Phase 3?

I am unable to provide any further details about Land 400 Phase 3 as it is in a live 
tender process. 
If pressed: Will Infantry Fighting Vehicles still be built in Australia?

I am unable to provide any further details about Land 400 Phase 3 as it is in a live 
tender process. 
If asked: Where will the Infantry Fighting Vehicles be based?

The Infantry Fighting Vehicle will be part of the armoured combined arms brigade. 
Army is currently reviewing its structure and posture in accordance with the priorities 
outlined in the Defence Strategic Review, which will determine final location.
Land 907 Phase 2 Main Battle Tank Upgrade (M1A1 Abrams)
 Land 907 Phase 2 aims to deliver 75 upgraded M1A1 Abrams tanks as part of a relevant 
and credible Land Combat System. Initial operational capability is scheduled for 2025. 
 There have been no significant developments in this project since the last Senate 
Estimates hearing in February 2023.
Land 8160 Phase 1 Combat Engineer Vehicles
 Land 8160 Phase 1 aims to deliver 52 Combat Engineer Vehicles as part of a relevant and 
credible Land Combat System. Initial operational capability is scheduled for 2025. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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 There have been no significant developments in this project since the last Senate 
Estimates hearing in February 2023.
Background 
Land 400 Phase 2 – Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle (Boxer)
 The Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle is an Armoured 8x8 wheeled vehicle that has been 
selected to be Army’s next Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle as part of a relevant and 
credible Land Combat System. 
 Modern Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles will allow the Integrated Force to engage in 
sustained close combat due to their firepower, mobility, protection and networking 
capabilities.
 Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles can conduct persistent reconnaissance, degrading 
enemy situational awareness and provide friendly forces with the information and direct 
fire support to maintain combat superiority. 
 An interim deployable fleet of 25 vehicles has been delivered to Army while the full 
capability of 186 Block II vehicles are designed and manufactured for delivery. 
 Block I consists of 12 x 30mm turreted Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles, and 13 x Multi-
Purpose Vehicles fitted with a remote weapon station. 
 Once Block II is delivered, the 25 Block I vehicles will be upgraded/replaced to Block II 
capability.
Land 400 Phase 3 – Land Combat Vehicle System (Infantry Fighting Vehicle) 
 Land 400 Phase 3 is scoped to acquire and support up to 450 Infantry Fighting Vehicles, 
and is the final major component of the modernisation of the ADF’s Combined Arms 
Fighting System.

The Combined Arms Fighting System that protects our soldiers today is a 
Vietnam era Armoured Personnel Carrier, the M113. Army cannot effectively 
conduct integrated land combat using the in-service platform.

Land 400 Phase 3 is in a live tender process.

A Request for Tender was released in August 2018 to acquire and establish 
the support for up to 450 Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

Hanwha Defense Australia and Rheinmetall Defence Australia were 
shortlisted for participation in the Stage 2 Risk Mitigation Activity on 
16 September 2019.

The Source Evaluation Report was signed 17 December 2021.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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PDR No: SB23-000397
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Land Armoured Fighting Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 11
Land 907 Phase 2 Main Battle Tank Upgrade 
 Land 907 Phase 2 will acquire the United States Army Abrams Main Battle Tank M1A2 
System Enhancement Package, Version 3. The Main Battle Tank is a unique contributor 
to the ADF’s combat power. It provides a combination of firepower, mobility, protection 
and connectivity to the modern Australian soldier. 
 The Abrams Main Battle Tank is unique amongst Armoured Fighting Vehicles; it alone is 
designed and optimised to specifically enter, fight and endure alongside soldiers in close 
combat. 
 The Abrams Main Battle Tank is tasked with the conduct of mounted close combat, 
primarily through the application of precise and overwhelming direct fire, combined 
with heavy armour protection, rapid cross country movement and networked 
communications. 
 This project received Second Pass approval in December 2021.

As the capability is being acquired under the Foreign Military Sales program, 
opportunities for Australian Industry involvement will primarily reside in 
sustainment, including training systems and the future support system. Defence 
will partner with Australian Industry to support this capability where appropriate 
and value for money.
Land 8160 Phase 1 Combat Engineer Vehicles
 The Land 8160 Phase 1 Combat Engineer Vehicle capability delivers vehicles that rapidly 
open safe lanes through obstacles while under fire. These vehicles operate alongside the 
Abrams Main Battle Tank and Infantry Fighting Vehicle in close combat. They have 
similar mobility and protection to that of a tank. 
 The capability is based on two primary vehicles; the Joint Assault Bridge and Assault 
Breacher Vehicle. The Combat Engineer Vehicle is able to bridge gaps (such as rivers or 
ditches), reduce barriers and open safe lanes through a variety of obstacles including 
minefields, improvised explosive devices and rubble.
 This project received Second Pass approval in December 2021.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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PDR No: SB23-000397
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Land Armoured Fighting Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 11
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 24 April 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry announced the Government’s 
decisions on armoured vehicles as part of the release of the Defence Strategic Review.

On 23 March 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry issued a Media Release relating 
to Land 400 Phase 2 Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles, stating “this could be 
one of Australia’s largest-ever defence export contracts, boosting our sovereign 
defence industry, securing local jobs and contributing to Australia’s economic 
growth.”

On 02 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister provided a doorstop interview in the 
United Kingdom, on the prospect of tanks for Ukraine.

On 25 November 2022, the Minister for Defence Industry announced that the 
Government would consider the outcomes of the Defence Strategic Review before 
making a decision on Land 400 Phase 3 Infantry Fighting Vehicles. 
Relevant Media Reporting

On 25 April 2023, The Australian published commentary that supported the 
Government’s decision on Land 400 Phase 3 but disparaged the decision on tanks.

On 05 April 2023, the Australian – Pacific Defence Reporter published an article 
Rheinmetall starts talks to build more than 100 Boxers in Australia for Germany that 
details the letter of cooperation signed in March 2023 and features Rheinmetall 
spokespersons.

On 29 March 2023, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute published an article 
Defence capability and the ‘not used since Vietnam’ critique that refutes the position 
of some commentators that tanks and Infantry Fighting Vehicles are no longer 
relevant or useful to the Australian Army. 

On 29 March 2023, Defense News published an article Getting tanks to Ukraine won’t 
impact Abrams Lima line, Camarillo says about possible production delays for the 
M1A1 Abrams.

On 24 March 2023, the Australian Defence Magazine published an article Australia a 
step closer to major Boxer export deal based on the Minister Defence Industry 
announcing the Letter of Cooperation on the Boxer. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000397
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Land Armoured Fighting Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 11
Division: 
Land Capability Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000397
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Brigadier Colin Bassett, Director General 
Major General Richard Vagg, Head Land 
Platforms
Capability
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 04 April 2023
Date: 04 April 2023
Consultation:  
Jacquie Menzies, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Date: 4 April 2023
Armoured Fighting Vehicles, Capability 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Acquisition and Sustainment Group
Tom Menadue, Assistant Secretary Global 
Date: 4 April 2023
Partners, International Policy Division
Mob: s22
  Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by DSR:
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
DSR Task Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 28 April 2023  
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army

On 23 March 2023, the ABC News published an article Australia on brink of signing $3 
billion defence export deal to sell combat vehicles to Germany that details the 
upcoming contract signing announcement by the Minister for Defence Industry, the 
Boxer capability and live-fire exercise at the Wide Bay Training Area, and the demands 
on international defence stocks of the war in Ukraine. 

On 21 March 2023, the Australian Financial Review published an article Ukrainian MPs 
ask Canberra to join the ‘tank coalition’ about a delegation of Ukrainian Members of 
Parliament visiting Canberra called for more support for their armed forces, with one 
Ukrainian opposition Member of Parliament noting: “if we want to create together 
victory we need a sustainable supply of armour or money or sanctions, everything 
that helps to stop Russia and take back our territory”.

On 10 February 2023, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute published an article 
Western tanks will bring their own complexities to Ukraine’s fight against Russia that 
discusses the impact Western tanks may have in the conflict, and the challenges of 
fuel consumption and training for crews. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s22
 / s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12

Projects LAND 4507 Multi-Role Helicopter (MRH90) Rapid Replacement and LAND 4503 
Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter (ARH) Replacement provide an opportunity for 
Defence to remediate platform and disposition challenges. 

In late 2022 the Government agreed to rapidly replace the MRH90 with the UH-60M 
Black Hawk Utility Helicopter, with delivery of the first three aircraft expected later this 
year.  

The Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter capability is expected to meet Defence 
requirements until its withdrawal from service in 2028, with LAND 4503 on track to 
deliver the first AH-64E Apache Attack Helicopters in 2025.

The CH-47F Chinook remains an exemplar of a mature, proven, reliable and affordable 
helicopter and associated support system. 

Defence’s decision to expand the original CH-47F Chinook fleet from 10 to 14 was seen 
as a pragmatic, cost effective, and sustainable response to increasing demands being 
placed on the battlefield lift capability.

The additional CH-47F Chinook aircraft are currently undertaking Australian 
modifications to meet unique aspects of Australia’s operating context, including 
amphibious operations.

Army is leasing fixed and rotary wing aircraft to mitigate the underperformance of the 
MRH90 and ARH, and deliver domestic tasking support.

Army is investing heavily in Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS) to provide enhanced 
situational awareness for better decision making and reduce the exposure of Australian 
soldiers to danger. 

Defence is committed to building a sustainable, affordable and reliable industrial base 
in Australia to support Army’s Aviation capabilities. 

The highly skilled and experienced Australian helicopter industry workforce will 
continue to be in high demand by Army Aviation for many years to come. 
If pressed: What opportunities are there for Industry?

There are opportunities for Australian industry participation in the Apache and Black 
Hawk projects through the provision of logistic support, warehousing services, training 
development, engineering services, and maintenance, repair and overhaul.

Army’s Uncrewed Aerial Systems investments are providing opportunities for Australian 
industry. 

For example selection of the Australian developed and prototyped CM234 Spitfire 
Camera Gimbal from Melbourne-based Ascent Vision Technologies as part of the 
LAND 129 Phase 3 Tactical Uncrewed Aerial Systems project. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
If pressed: Basing and operating locations for Army Aviation Capabilities?

Maximising the efficiency and readiness of Army’s aviation capability is important and is 
why the UH-60M Black Hawk will be based out of Oakey, Queensland and Holsworthy, 
New South Wales.

Basing Black Hawks in these locations will strengthen industry support and 
leverage the existing arrangements for Navy’s Seahawk helicopters. 

Placing Black Hawks in close proximity to Navy’s Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) 
vessels in Sydney will support rapid deployments. 

Townsville will continue to be the home of the expanded CH-47F Chinook fleet, and 
Army’s leased AW139 helicopters.  
If pressed: Will this reduce Defence’s presence in Darwin?

No. As part of Army’s review of its structure and posture in accordance with the 
priorities set out in the Defence Strategic Review, and the growth in capabilities such as 
Littoral Manoeuvre, the number of positions in Darwin will remain stable in the long 
term.
If pressed: Reason why the Government is replacing the MRH90 with Black Hawk?

MRH90 has been managed as a Project of Concern since 2011. MRH90 no longer 
delivers the capability and capacity required to meet the ADF’s needs.

The UH-60M Black Hawk is the best option available to meet Defence’s Utility 
Helicopter capability requirements. It is combat proven in comparable roles worldwide, 
and it represents the largest single battlefield utility helicopter variant in the world. 
If pressed: What is the status of the MRH90 fleet following the incident at Jervis Bay on 22 
March 2023?

Operations of the Australian MRH-90 Taipan fleet were temporarily suspended to allow 
time for initial investigations to determine if there were any ongoing airworthiness 
implications for the platform. 

Flight operations resumed on 06 April 2023, after extensive risk analysis and 
implementation of additional risk mitigation controls. 

Defence Flight Safety Bureau is leading the investigation into the MRH-90 Taipan 
incident, with assistance from Airbus Australia Pacific and local representatives of the 
engine manufacturer. The investigation is ongoing.
If pressed: Was a missing software upgrade responsible for the incident at Jervis Bay on 
22 March 2023?

The MRH-90 Taipan helicopter is subject to a number of engine, software and other 
aircraft modifications. In each case these modifications are completed in accordance 
with manufacturer recommendations. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / 0448 237 854
Phone: s47E(d)  / 0439 559 784
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PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
s47E(d)

It would be inappropriate to provide further comment on the incident as it remains 
under investigation by the Defence Flight Safety Bureau.
If pressed: Is Army procuring a UH-60M Black Hawk with floatation capability?

Army is not procuring a UH-60M Black Hawk flotation capability. 

Army treats the risk of overwater flight with mitigation methods including carrying life 
rafts, individual flotation life support ensembles for crew, and helicopter underwater 
escape training for crew and passengers. 

Army will continuously monitor new product developments to assure the level of safety 
in-service in collaboration with other Black Hawk users.     
If pressed: If the ARH Tiger is performing satisfactorily for Army’s needs, why does it need to 
be replaced?

Army needs a capable and credible crewed armed reconnaissance capability with the 
capacity to become the hub of a crewed-uncrewed system.

AH-64E Apache provides the networking capability to “orchestrate” the battle and will 
bring the Army in line with other nations’ crewed-uncrewed teaming capabilities, 
providing additional intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and networking 
capabilities required in future conflict.
If pressed: Why does Army not pursue an armed Uncrewed Aerial System (UAS), rather than a 
crewed Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter? 

Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS) cannot yet replicate all the capabilities of crewed 
aircraft, particularly as people remain essential to decision making in battle across the 
combined arms team.

The AH-64E Apache provides the critical step change in capability enabling crewed-
uncrewed aerial systems teaming. 
If pressed: Why is Defence buying helicopters that cannot be operated from Navy Landing 
Helicopter Dock ships?

The UH-60M Black Hawk and AH-64E Apache will operate off the Landing Helicopter 
Dock ships. No other Australian Army helicopter is marinised, yet all operate from ships 
without issue. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
If pressed: What is the status of LAND 129 Phase 4B Small Uncrewed Aerial System (UAS)?

LAND 129 Phase 4B has completed its tender evaluation of suitable Small Uncrewed 
Aerial Systems (UAS) to replace the in-service Wasp AE.

LAND 129-4B remains subject to Government consideration and decision. s47E(d)
 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Supplementary Budget Estimates Hearing: 15 February 2023

QoN 23, Black Hawk costs, Senator Shoebridge (Greens, NSW) asked about the budget 
for the MRH-90 program. 

QoN 24, Black Hawk T&E, Senator Fawcett (LIB, SA) asked about test and evaluation 
activities, including dates and scope of the program.

QoN 25, LAND 129 Phase 4B (Small Uncrewed Aerial System) tenderers, Senator Van 
(LIB, VIC) asked about the country of origin of the tenderers who had provided a 
response to the LAND 129 Phase 4B Request For Tender.
Budget Estimates Hearing: 9 November 2022

QoN 41, UH-60M Black Hawk helicopter acquisition, Senator Chandler (LIB, Tasmania) 
asked several questions about the status of the Black Hawk acquisition. 
Senate Estimates: 28 September 2022

QoN 827, UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopters and MRH-90 Taipan Fleet, Senator 
Birmingham (LIB, South Australia) asked about the status replacing the MRH90 with the 
UH-60M Black Hawk. 

QoN 817AH-64E Apache and MH-60R Romeo programs, Senator Birmingham (LIB, 
South Australia) asked about the status of the AH-64E Apache program and what 
briefings and reports have been provided.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In February 2023, an individual sought access under FOI to documentation relating to 
the February 2023 Supplementary Budget Estimates. The Army Aviation Senate 
Estimates Briefs have not yet been released.

In November 2022, an individual sought access under FOI to documentation relating to 
the November 2022 Budget Estimates. The Army Aviation Senate Estimates Briefs were 
released on 1 March 2023. 
Recent Ministerial Comments  

No recent comments.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has reported extensively on the incident involving an MRH90 at Jervis 
Bay on 22 March 2023; and the acquisition of the UH-60M Black Hawk Utility 
Helicopter to replace the MRH90 Multi-Role Helicopter.

On 18 April 2023, ABC News published an article, Army insiders claim troubled Taipan 
helicopter fleet did not receive crucial software upgrades. Defence correspondent 
Andrew Greene reported that several military figures had told the ABC a simple 
software upgrade may have prevented the emergency ditching of a MRH-90 in Jervis 
Bay.

On 28 February 2023, The Australian published an article, Coveted Apache and Black 
Hawks to replace Tiger, Taipan choppers. Reporter Nigel Pittaway discussed the 
replacement of its European helicopter fleets with the United States Black Hawk and 
Apache capability. The article also details how the Black Hawk fleet will not be based in 
Townsville as expected, but at Oakey, Queensland and Holsworthy, New South Wales.

On 17 January 2023, The Financial Review published an article, Labour to buy US-made 
Black Hawk helicopters. Journalist Andrew Tillett wrote Australia will spend almost $3 
billion buying 40 new US-made Black Hawk helicopters.
Division:
Army
PDR No: 
SB23-000398
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Brigadier David Hafner, Deputy Commander  Major General Richard Vagg, Head Land 
Aviation Command
Capability
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 27 April 2023
Date: 17 May 2023  
Consultation:  Rotary, Aerospace and 
Date:  6 April 2023  
Surveillance Systems Division
Ph: s47E(d)
Major General Jeremy King
Head Joint Aviation Systems Division
Cleared by DSR
Date: 1 May 2023
Major General Chris Field, FAS ADF Integration
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 28 April 2023
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Question on Notice 15 February 2023

Black Hawk costs
Senator David Shoebridge
Question
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: I think the last time I checked, the overall life of the MRH90 program 
had about a $7.3 billion budget attached to it. Is that the right figure, Lieutenant General?
Lt Gen. Stuart: We can come back and confirm that with you, but that's—
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: It seems about right?
Lt Gen. Stuart: in the order of magnitude.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Was some of that repurposed into this $2.8 billion, or is the $2.8 
billion on top of the $3.7 billion that has been set aside already for the MRH90?
Major Gen. King: I think we'll take that on notice and we'll be able to give you an accurate 
figure of exactly the source of that money and what has flowed out through MRH and in 
courtesy of Black Hawk.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Not much flows out through MRH90.
Lt Gen. Stuart: Senator, we'll come back to you with the exact figures, but if you think of it in 
terms of there being a certain amount of money that is forecast for the delivery of that 
capability, there isn't additional funding required to deliver that capability, above what was 
originally planned.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: No, I don't think the budget had anticipated expenditure up to and 
beyond 2030 on the MRH90. You can't repurpose savings outside the current budget 
estimates to apply to your $2.8 billion project, can you, Lieutenant General?
Lt Gen. Stuart: If you're talking across the forward estimates or across the life of type of an 
aircraft, we'll come back to you with those exact figures.
Answer
The total budget for the MRH90 program was $10.352 billion. This budget was planned for an 
MRH90 operational life of up to year 2037. As of December 2022, the total expenditure 
(amount spent) for the MRH90 program is $3.5 billion on acquisition, and $2.2 billion on 
sustainment. 
LAND 4507 will be funded by cancellations of the Light Helicopter project for Special 
Operations (LAND 2097-4) and MRH90 Capability Assurance Project (LAND 4510-1 & 2). The 
cancelled projects had available unapproved funds this decade, which are to be repurposed. 
It should be noted that the practice of repurposing funds is not uncommon. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
The acquisition cost of UH-60M Black Hawk is expected to be $3.2 billion, and $4.3 billion on 
sustainment. The total budget for the UH-60M program is $7.5 billion. This budget is planned 
for an operational life of up to year 2045.
Senate Question on Notice 15 February 2023
Black Hawk T&E
Senator David Fawcett
Question
Senator FAWCETT: I like to know when the preview testing is scheduled for the Black Hawks 
given your policy says, even for military off-the-shelf acquisition, a preview should be 
conducted. Given the lessons we learned from the CH-47D and the additional and upgrade 
programs that are required for a standard American army helicopter before we can deploy it, 
are we aware of all the costs involved if we require any differences to the
configuration used by the US Army?
Mr Fairweather: Chief of Army may wish to respond but there is a detailed T and E plan. We 
know the Black Hawk program very well. We have identified what we will need to do for that 
platform. There is test evaluation activity already commenced. There will be a Black Hawk out 
here for Avalon. There will be a series of test evaluation activities around that using eights 
and other resources and that will continue prior to entry to
service and through its entry to service.
Senator FAWCETT: If you could take the details on notice, I would like to know when that is 
actually programmed to occur, and the scope if possible.
Mr Fairweather: No problem.
Answer
Project LAND 4507-1 Preview Test and Evaluation is outlined in the approved Test & 
Evaluation Master Plan. It is focused on understanding the differences in Configuration, Role 
and Environment associated with the Australian Defence Force’s (ADF) operation of the UH-
60M Black Hawk. 
Preview Test and Evaluation activities completed to date include:
• 19-23 September 2022 - Peer User Engagement with the US Army’s 25th Combat
Aviation Brigade, Hawaii. The scope of this activity was: integration of ADF role
equipment, life support equipment, crash protection data and the aircraft support
system.
• 20-23 February 2023 - Cockpit and Cabin Integration test series supported by a US
Army UH-60M Black Hawk in Australia. The scope of this activity was: integration of
ADF life support equipment, ADF night vision equipment, ADF role equipment, special
operations teams, mission planning and support systems.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
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Senate Question on Notice 15 February 2023
LAND 129 Phase 4B (Small Uncrewed Aerial System) tenderers
Senator David Van
Question
Senator VAN: Going to Land 129 Phase 4B, which is a small unmanned aerial system project 
launched by land systems, I believe, last year, Major General King, can you update me on the 
progress of that, please? 
Major Gen. King: Land 129 Phase 4B was born out of what was originally Land 129 Phase 4 in 
around 2016, 2017. It was decided, because of the rate of change of small uncrewed aerial 
vehicles, that we would look do it in a tranche approach. There was an initial buy of 78 Wasp 
AE small UAS purchased for Army, with an approach to look at a follow-on buy around now, 
about five years from when 4A was approved, to acquire the best and most modern small 
UAS's we could. That process is progressing. It has not yet presented to government but will 
be in short time. 
Senator VAN: Correct me if I'm wrong, but were there four tenders put forward for that 
program? 
Major Gen. King: Perhaps defer to CASG in relation to the tender evaluation. 
Senator VAN: They can come up or put it on notice. Am I right in saying there were three 
Australian and one German contenders? 
Major Gen. King: Again, I will take that on notice.
Answer
Six (6) tenderers submitted applications on 04 Mar 22 in response to the LAND 129-4B 
Request For Tender.
The tenderers, including each company’s nation of origin, were as follows:
• Australian UAV Technologies (Australian company)
• Geodrones Australia (Australian company)
• DefendTex (Australian company)
• Quantum Systems (submitted under US subsidiary company, not German parent 
company)
• Sypaq (Australian company)
• Boxhamtech (Company origin unknown)
Following Preview, Test and Evaluation activities, Quantum Systems and Sypaq were chosen 
for detailed consideration as part of the LAND 129-4B project.
LAND 129-4B remains subject to Government consideration and decision.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
Senate Question on Notice 28 September 2022
UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopters and MRH-90 Taipan Fleet
Senator Simon Birmingham
Written Question
The United States Department of State recently approved the proposed sale of UH-60M Black 
Hawk helicopters to Australia—what decision and timetable have been confirmed to 
complete the contract, acquisition, delivery and operational integration of the UH-60Ms into 
the ADF.
Can the Minister confirm the Government’s intentions relating to the MRH-90 Taipan fleet, in 
light of flight readiness data over the span of service for the fleet.
What briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and the Government, 
relating to these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Answer
Government is due to consider this matter in the coming period.
Defence routinely briefs Ministers and the Government on these matters. These briefings 
contain sensitive material and may adversely impact Defence if released publicly.
Senate Question on Notice 28 September 2022
AH-64E Apache and MH-60R Romeo programs 
Senator Simon Birmingham
Written Question
What is the status of the acquisition and implementation of the AH-64E Apache and MH-60R 
Romeo programs (Programs) and is delivery still on track for 2025. What issues/risks have 
been identified with the Program during the current year. What progress has been made in 
upgrading sites and facilities to support the acquisition and maintenance required by the 
programs. Does the Minister consider that the Programs are necessary for ADF capability. 
What briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and the Government, 
relating to these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Answer
Status of acquisition:
Acquisition projects for AH-64E Apache and additional MH-60R Romeo helicopters were 
announced by the former Prime Minister and Minster for Defence in May 2022. 
AH-64E Apache - during 2022-23, the project will focus efforts on maturing the implemented 
Foreign Military Sales arrangements with the United States Army and completing a tender for 
a local Initial Support Contract.  
MH-60R Romeo – Defence is continuing to progress this acquisition under Foreign Military 
Sales arrangements with the United States.
Defence advises there are no risks to the schedule of either project at this time.  
Issues/risks:
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
      Battlefield Aviation Program
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
Skilled workforce availability – which is an issue across multiple industries.
Sites and facilities: 
Facilities and sites continue to be developed in line with Government approvals.
Necessity:
Defence advises that the AH-64E Apache and MH-60R Romeo will meet the ADF’s future 
capability requirements.
Briefings and reports:
Defence routinely briefs Ministers and the Government on Defence matters. These briefings 
contain sensitive material and may adversely impact Defence if released publicly. 
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
UH-60M Black Hawk helicopter acquisition
Senator Claire Chandler
Written Question
1. The US State Department recently approved the proposed sale of UH-60M Black
Hawk helicopters to Australia-what decision and timetable have been confirmed to
complete the contract, acquisition, delivery and operational integration of the UH-
60Ms into the ADF?
2. In Table 54, Defence Portfolio Budget Statement, page 113, Top 30 Military
Equipment Acquisition Program Approved Projects by 2022-23, under AIR 9000
Phase 2, reference to the US Government approval is made regarding the 40 UH-
60M acquisition. What is the status of Departmental and Ministerial decision making?
3. Have submissions or advice on a decision been presented to the Government, and
when?
4. Who was that advice provided to?
5. What was the initial timetable for this decision, and is the decision timetable going
to be met?
6. When will a decision be made?
7. Is this capability decision subject to further inquiry as part of the Defence Strategic?
Review?
8. Has a decision been delayed due to the Defence Strategic Review?
9. What approvals within the Department, CASG or otherwise, remain outstanding?
10. When will the Black Hawks arrive and enter service with the ADF?
Answer:
1. A decision to replace the MRH90 with the UH-60M Black Hawk was announced on 18
January 2023 with delivery of initial platforms to commence later this year.
2. As above.
3. Defence routinely provides advice to Government on Defence capabilities including on
MRH and Black Hawk.
4. Government.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000398
Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Lieutenant General Simon Stuart; Major General Jeremy King
Document 12
5. A decision to replace the MRH90 with the UH-60M Black Hawk was announced on 18
January 2023.
6. As above.
7. No.
8. No.
9. None.
10. The initial platforms will be delivered from Q3 2023.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier David Hafner
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Deputy Commander Aviation Command
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Headquarters Aviation Command
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000399
Last updated: 18 May 2023
Army Littoral Manoeuvre
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 13

LAND 8710 Phase 1 is in the process of finalising tender evaluations for both the Littoral 
Manoeuvre Vessel - Medium landing craft and the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – 
Amphibious vehicle. The outcomes of the tenders will inform the project’s preparations 
for undergoing approval considerations.

The Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Medium provides shore-to-shore manoeuvre and 
sustainment for the Joint Force in littoral and riverine environments. 
- Its secondary role is to provide additional ship-to-shore transfer capacity to the 
Australian Amphibious Force, centred on Navy’s Landing Helicopter Docks (LHD, 
HMAS Canberra and Adelaide), the Landing Ship Dock (HMAS Choules) and their 
future replacements.

LAND 8710 Phase 2 will deliver the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Heavy (LMV-H) on an 
accelerated schedule as agreed by Government. 

LAND 8710 Phase 3 contemplates the acquisition of the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – 
Patrol (LMV-P), a fast assault craft that will specialise in operating in dangerous direct 
fire areas to provide the rapid manoeuvre and firepower that will be critical for 
optimising Army for the close fight in a littoral environment. 

LAND 8710 Phase 5 will deliver new basing in Northern Australia to support the 
expansion of Army’s Littoral Manoeuvre fleets. This new basing will improve the ADF’s 
ability to operate from Australia’s northern regions. These proposed facilities align with 
the Defence Strategic Review recommendation that upgrades and supports to the 
development of Australia’s northern network of bases, ports and barracks.
Key facts 

The Army Littoral Manoeuvre Program’s priority is currently to accelerate and expand 
LAND 8710 Phases 1-2 Army Littoral Manoeuvre Vessels (Landing Craft Medium and 
Heavy) and synchronise delivery of landing craft, long-range fires, and infantry fighting 
vehicles. 

Approval: LAND 8710 Phase 1 achieved First Pass approval in December 2020. 

Budget: Army is currently assessing the method of implementing and funding the 
accelerated littoral manoeuvre capability in line with the Defence Strategic Review’s 
recommendations. 

Initial Operational Capability / Final Operational Capability: The composition of these 
capability milestones is subject to further analysis.

The Army Littoral Manoeuvre Program is now preparing options for an accelerated 
pathway that will deliver a minimum viable capability in the shortest possible time. 

Army is working closely with Navy to ensure the ADF has an amphibious system that 
effectively contributes to Australia’s strategic objectives.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Last updated: 18 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 13
Background 

With a range of up to 1,200 nautical miles, the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Medium 
will be able to project independently or in company with Navy ships.

The Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Medium will be much larger than the legacy landing 
craft, the Landing Craft Mechanized, Mark 8 and will provide a significant increase in 
capability.

This increase in size is necessary to achieve additional payload, range and seakeeping 
requirements. This increase in size will prevent integration into the well dock of the 
Navy’s Landing Heavy Dock (LHD),, but ship-to-ship transfer of some cargo is expected 
to be able to be conducted through craning operations.
If pressed: What is Army doing to “accelerate and expand” LAND 8170 Phase 1 and 2 as a 
result of the Defence Strategic Review recommendations?

Army will deliver the Defence Strategic Review recommendations as agreed by 
Government. 

Army is currently assessing the method of implementing the accelerated littoral 
manoeuvre capability as per the agreed Defence Strategic Review recommendations. 
If pressed: Where are the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessels expected to be built in Australia? 

This question should be referred to Deputy Secretary Naval Shipbuilding and 
Sustainment. An acquisition strategy for the accelerated Littoral Manoeuvre capability 
is under development and will be presented for Government consideration in due 
course. 
If pressed: A full-scale, operational proof of concept LMV-M is being constructed by Birdon in 
Henderson, WA. Does this mean the decision has been made to construct LMV-M there?


It would be inappropriate to comment on this matter as tender evaluation for the 
LMV-M is undergoing finalisation. 
If pressed: Where will Army’s new fleet of watercraft be based?

The majority of Army’s new fleet of watercraft will be based in Darwin. New fit-for-
purpose watercraft basing will be delivered by LAND 8710 Phase 5 in support of both 
Army’s new watercraft fleets and the Joint Force. The proposed work will establish a 
Littoral Manoeuvre Centre of Excellence in Darwin which includes world-class training 
and simulation systems. The new basing is proposed for construction in both Darwin 
and Townsville where the current Army watercraft capabilities are based. These new 
facilities will play an important role in enabling and sustaining force projection into our 
region.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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PDR No: SB23-000399
Last updated: 18 May 2023
Army Littoral Manoeuvre
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 13
If pressed: Won’t basing the watercraft in Darwin reduce train and sustain opportunities 
offered by co-locating with the existing designated amphibious battalion in Townsville, similar 
to Battlefield Aviation?

Army Littoral Manoeuvre basing will support the projection of forces into the region. 
Having bases at Darwin and Townsville will enable the Joint Force to better maintain a 
persistent presence in the region, including engagement with regional security 
partners, and project force in response to a number of possible contingencies. Bases at 
these locations will also enable the Army Littoral Manoeuvre capability to integrate 
with and support key dependency units such as the 2nd and 5th Battalion, Royal 
Australian Regiment.

While there is an argument for the efficiency of co-locating bases, this comes at a cost 
of redundancy, putting unsustainable demand on local industry and the impracticality 
of putting a base large enough to support the full Army Littoral Manoeuvre fleet in one 
location and competing with private industry for real estate. 
If asked: Will the Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Heavy (LMV-H)’s be built in Australia?

LAND 8710 Phase 2 is being accelerated and expanded as directed by Government in 
the Defence Strategic Review. The requirements for LAND 8710 Phase 2 are being 
developed now and will be released in accordance with the accelerated procurement 
schedule.  
If pressed: Is there a LAND 8710 Phase 4?

LAND 8710 Phase 4 is a proposed capability assurance phase that is not yet approved 
nor reflected in the Integrated Investment Program. This will ensure through-life 
capability assurance, enhancement and incremental upgrades of the full range of LAND 
8710 Army Littoral Manoeuvre fleets and achieve efficiencies through a programmatic 
approach to maintaining through-life effectiveness.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Last updated: 18 May 2023
Army Littoral Manoeuvre
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 13
Relevant Media Reporting 

The Defence Strategic Review recommendation to accelerate the acquisition of LAND 
8710 Phases 1 and 2 – Army Littoral Manoeuvre Vessels (Landing Craft Medium and 
Heavy) received widespread media coverage from 22 April 2023.

Since achieving First Pass approval in December 2020, LAND 8710-1 and the future 
littoral projects have received accurate and positive coverage in the leading Defence 
Industry publications such as Australian Defence Magazine, Defence Technology 
Review and Jane’s Defence Weekly. 

In February 2023, Australian Defence Magazine published an article, New landing craft 
prototype being built in WA, detailing construction of a full-scale, operational proof of 
concept Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel – Medium by a group led by Birdon in Henderson, 
Western Australia.

In September 2022, ASPI published an article, Defence review must examine Australia’s 
amphibious basing quandary raised issues with the planned Army watercraft base in 
Darwin. It raised the argument for co-location with the amphibious battalion in 
Townsville.
Division:
Army
PDR No: 
SB23-000399
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Brigadier Colin Bassett, Director General 
Major General Richard Vagg, Head Land 
Platforms, Army
Capability, Army
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 18 May 2023
Date: 18 May 2023  
Consultation:  Navy
Date:  04 April 2023  
Commodore Ashley Papp, Director General 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Littoral
Consultation:  Navy Shipbuilding and 
Date:  03 March 2023  
Sustainment Group
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
David Kingston, Assistant Secretary Ship 
Acquisition Specialist Ships
Cleared by DSR: Major General Christopher Field, 
Ph: s47E(d)
Deputy DSR Task Force - ADF Integration
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 18 May 2023
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Colin Bassett
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Platforms
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability Division
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000597
Last updated: 17 May 2023
     
Land Based Fires
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 14
Long Range Fires, Land-based Maritime Strike and the Precision Strike Missile
 The acceleration of an expanded Long Range Fires capability will include additional High 
Mobility Artillery Rocket System launchers, munitions and support vehicles. Defence is 
working closely with the United States to align the earlier timelines with their production 
schedules. 
 To achieve an enduring land-based maritime strike capability, Army has entered into a 
Memorandum of Understanding with the United States to co-develop the Precision Strike 
Missile. 
 To meet the capability timeframe to achieve the Enhanced Force-in-Being, Defence is 
completing a market-scan to confirm feasibility of several land-based maritime strike 
options that can be rapidly acquired. 
Short Range Ground Based Air Defence
 Under Project Land 19 Phase 7B Short-Range Ground Based Air Defence, Defence will 
acquire the enhanced National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System from Raytheon 
Australia, with production having commenced in Adelaide in late 2019.
 The National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System is a ground-based air defence 
system designed to engage hostile aircraft, missiles and drones using a variety of ground 
launched missiles.
 The Australian company CEA Technologies is contracted to deliver advanced radars for 
integration into the National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System. 
 The Project has commenced introduction into service training and testing in preparation 
for Initial Operating Capability.
 New facilities for Project Land 19 Phase 7B Short-Range Ground Based Air Defence are 
being developed at Edinburgh Defence Precinct in South Australia, with a facilities 
contract signed in March 2023.
Weapon Locating Radars 
 To enable the Integrated Force to conduct enhanced long-range strike, Army will acquire 
Weapon Locating Radars that will integrate into a wider sensor network to provide timely 
target information for engagement.
 Under LAND 8113 Phase 1 Tranche 2 Weapon Locating Radar project, a delivery of up to 
10 radars will coincide with initial deliveries of land-based long-range strike capabilities.
 The Australian company CEA Technologies have been invited to tender for the 
acquisition, with Army’s desire to maintain a solution that has previously been proven 
through the Short Range Ground Based Air Defence capability and the Integrated Air and 
Missile Defence capability.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Warren Gould
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Systems & Integration
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000597
Last updated: 17 May 2023
     
Land Based Fires
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 14
Protected Mobile Fires
 Under the LAND 8116 Phase 1 Protected Mobile Fires project, Defence will acquire a new 
Self Propelled Artillery system from Hanwha Defense Australia. 
 The Project will deliver 30 AS-9 Huntsman Self-Propelled Howitzers and 15 AS10 
Armoured Ammunition Resupply Vehicles for the Australian Army, with deliveries 
scheduled to start in 2025. 

Each Self-Propelled Howitzer is a large armoured vehicle mounting a long-range 
cannon capable of firing artillery shells up to 70 kms.
 The Project has commenced ammunition integration testing in the Republic of Korea, and 
the construction of the Hanwha Defense Australia facility in Geelong is ongoing.
 The Protected Mobile Fires contract with Hanwha Defense Australia will create a 
minimum of 300 jobs spread across facility construction, acquisition and maintenance, 
generating ongoing support opportunities for Australian industry until the late 2040’s.
 Government accepted the recommendation of the Defence Strategic Review to cancel 
the planned second battery of Self-Propelled Howitzers (LAND 8116 Phase 2).
Background 
LAND 8113 Phase 1 Tranche 1 Long-Range Fires (High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems)
 On 05 January 2023 the Government announced the decision to purchase 20 High 
Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, associated munitions and support systems via a Foreign 
Military Sales case.
 The LAND 8113 Phase 1 Tranche 1 Long Range Fires project will deliver launchers, missiles 
and training rockets for introduction into service in the late 2020s. The US High Mobility 
Artillery Rocket Systems is a long-range missile system mounted on a military truck. The 
current High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems missile fleet range between s33(a)(ii) 
 The total cost for this initial capability is expected to be $0.9-1.1 billion for acquisition and 
early sustainment.
If pressed where will these be based?
 Whilst an initial fleet will be based in Puckapunyal, Victoria, the majority of Army’s 20 
High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems will be based in s33(a)(ii)
 
 
 Army is currently reviewing its structure and posture in accordance with the priorities 
outlined in the Defence Strategic Review, which will determine final location decisions.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Warren Gould
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Systems & Integration
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000597
Last updated: 17 May 2023
     
Land Based Fires
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 14
Precision Strike Missile
 Australia have entered into a Memorandum of Understanding with the United States to 
co-develop the Precision Strike Missile.
 The Precision Strike Missile is a United States development program that will extend the 
range of the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems capability to beyond 500 kilometres 
by the mid-2020s.
 Future missile upgrades will seek improved sensors to expand the High Mobility Artillery 
Rocket Systems capability to include greater range and novel warheads. 
LAND 8113 Phase 1 Tranche 2 Weapon Locating Radars 
 The acquisition of Weapon Locating Radars will provide Army the ability to conduct 
efficient and accurate counter fires and will provide the Joint Force with greater 
situational awareness and enhanced lethality across the battlespace, at ranges 
appropriate for the employment of Long Range Fires and Land Based Maritime Strike 
capabilities.
 Land-based Weapon Locating Radars are integral to the ‘sensor-to-shooter’ network to 
enable the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems to engage targets. They track incoming 
and outgoing rockets, artillery rounds, mortars and missiles, allowing the Integrated Force 
to locate, track and strike threat systems. Weapon Locating Radars are critical for 
counter-fires operations, as demonstrated on contemporary battlefields in the Ukraine.
LAND 8116 Phase 1 Protected Mobile Fires  
 The AS9 Huntsman Self-Propelled Howitzer provides high rates of indirect fire for 
supporting infantry and armour whilst conducting close combat. The Self-Propelled 
Howitzer capability increases range and weight of fire support from s33(a)(ii)
 
 delivering the 155 millimetre artillery effects in support of the Land Force. 
 The AS10 Armoured Ammunition Resupply Vehicle will enable resupply to be conducted 
under-armour, improving survivability and protection of friendly forces logistic elements. 

The Armoured Ammunition Resupply Vehicle is considered an essential 
supporting platform to the Self-Propelled Howitzer, minimising the need for Self-
Propelled Howitzer crews to dismount when conducting ammunition resupply.
 The Self-Propelled Howitzer and Armoured Ammunition Resupply Vehicle will be 
manufactured near Geelong by Hanwha Defense Australia with the hulls, turrets, fuel 
tanks and camouflage systems to be manufactured in Tasmania.
If pressed what does the cancellation of the Second Self-Propelled Howitzer Regiment mean to 
Army Capability?

 The Defence Strategic Review recommended that Land 8116 Phase 2 be cancelled to 
support the prioritisation of long range fires, including land-based maritime strike. The 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Warren Gould
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Systems & Integration
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000597
Last updated: 17 May 2023
     
Land Based Fires
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 14
acceleration and expansion of Land 8113 Phases 2- 4 will see an overall increase of range 
and lethality of Army’s long range fires capabilities. 
 Long-range weapon systems have a much higher requirement for intelligence than 
traditional cannon artillery.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Media reporting about the protected mobile fires capability since the last Senate 
Estimates has been focused on the Hanwha facility at Avalon, and sub-contracts 
associated with the Huntsman for training and chemical sensors for the new vehicles. 
Reporting about High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems has included reports about 
missile manufacture in Australia and potential obstacles.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Warren Gould
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Systems & Integration
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000597
Last updated: 17 May 2023
     
Land Based Fires
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Document 14
Division:
Army
PDR No: 
SB23-000597
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Brigadier Warren Gould, Director General 
Major General Richard Vagg, Head Land 
Systems and Integration, Army
Capability, Army
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 17 April 2023
Date: 17 April 2023
Consultation:  Capability Acquisition and 
Date:  14 April 2023  
Sustainment Group
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
s47E(d)
, Director Fires 
Modernisation Program
Cleared by DSR:
Date: 1 May 2023
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy Defence 
Ph: s47E(d)
Strategic Review Task Force 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 17 May 2024  
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army  
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Brigadier Warren Gould
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Director General Systems & Integration
Position: Chief of Army
Division: Land Capability
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000400
Last updated: 17 May 2023
         LAND 400 Phase 2 - Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle Project
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 15
Rheinmetall Defence Australia’s Military Vehicle Centre of Excellence facility is located 
in Redbank, Queensland.

The German Government has engaged with Defence to explore options to leverage 
Rheinmetall Defence Australia’s production capacity at the Military Vehicle Centre of 
Excellence for the production of Boxer Vehicles in a ‘Heavy Weapon Carrier’ 
configuration for the German Army. 

Defence has responded positively to this proposal, with a Letter of Cooperation signed 
by the Minister for Defence Industry and his German counterpart on 23 March 2023, 
committing to formal negotiations to establish appropriate legal and commercial 
arrangements.
If pressed: About media reporting of problems with the Boxer, carbon monoxide toxicity; 
vibration problems; difficulties operating the vehicle at night time; and tyre changing in the 
field.

During the Block I Boxer Operational Test and Evaluation activities, a smal  number of 
technical issues were identified – such issues are not unusual for a project of this 
complexity. 

Defence, in col aboration with Rheinmetal  Defence Australia, are implementing a range 
of actions to ensure these issues are addressed with al  safety risks successful y mitigated.
If pressed: About issues integrating the Anti-Tank Guided Missile and Active Protection System 
on the turret.

Integration of an Anti-Tank Guided Missile into the Boxer Block I  turret remains on track.

Defence is progressing the upgrade from the Spike LR to the Spike LR2 Anti-Tank Guided 
Missile with Rheinmetal  Defence Australia and Varley Rafael Australia, as it provides a 
superior capability. 

Defence entered into a contract with Varley Rafael Australia in September 2022 for the 
acquisition of a smal  quantity of Spike LR2 missiles to enable integration and verification 
testing with the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle.

Defence is assessing the viability of integrating an Active Protection System onto the 
Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle. 

The Anti-Tank Guided Missile and the Active Protection System capabilities were not 
requirements for achieving Initial Operational Capability.
If pressed: What is the status of the German Government proposal to utilise Australian 
production capacity for the build of their Boxer Heavy Weapons Carrier vehicles? 

The signing of the Letter of Cooperation by the Australian and German Governments is a 
significant step in the advancement of this export opportunity and enables the 
commencement of formal negotiations. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch 
Group: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Phone: 
 / 
Phone: 
 / 
s22
s22
s47E(d)
s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000400
Last updated: 17 May 2023
  LAND 400 Phase 2 - Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle Project
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 15
Background 

Fol owing a comprehensive three-year tender process, Rheinmetal  Defence Australia’s 
Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle was assessed as the most suitable for Defence.
 s33(a)(ii)

The Project budget is $5.6 bil ion, with five major contracts currently in place:

$3.4 billion acquisition contract with Rheinmetall Defence Australia signed on 
9 August 2018;

$192 million support contract with Rheinmetall Defence Australia signed on 
20 December 2018 (for an initial term of seven years);

$49 million acquisition contract with Electro Optic Systems for the supply and 
support of 82 Australian designed and developed Remote Weapon Stations;

$30 million acquisition contract with Universal Motion Simulation Pty Ltd for the 
supply of six Reconfigurable Driver Simulators; and

$97 million acquisition contract with NIOA for the supply of explosive ordnance. 

The Australian Industry Capability commitment is $1.975 bil ion ($1.801 bil ion for the 
acquisition period [2019-2026] and $174 mil ion in the initial support contract).

Defence has conducted multiple driver and commander courses to ensure Army’s people are 
trained. 
Vehicle assembly

With a deliberate period of transition, the Block I  Boxer Vehicles wil  be built and 
assembled in Australia, under a gradual ramp-down in Germany and ramp-up in Australia. 

This transition approach wil  enable progressive technology transfer of the manufacturing 
techniques and assembly line processes to Australia during this period.

The first ful y Australian-assembled Block I  Boxer vehicle is scheduled for delivery in mid-
2024. The final vehicle is scheduled for delivery in 2027. Final Operational Capability is 
planned for 2027. 
Delays

Rheinmetal  Defence Australia has experienced delays in the achievement of some 
milestones predominantly linked to COVID, global supply chain pressures, and workforce 
availability. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch 
Group: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Phone: 
 / 
Phone: 
 / 
s22
s22
s47E(d)
s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000400
Last updated: 17 May 2023
         LAND 400 Phase 2 - Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle Project
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 15

Defence and Rheinmetal  Defence Australia are working closely to ensure Final 
Operational Capability is achieved in 2027. 
Rheinmetall Defence Australia’s Australian suppliers

To date, the Government has announced several Australian businesses who have 
signed supply contracts with Rheinmetall Defence Australia. These businesses include; 
Penske Australia, Supacat Asia Pacific, Cablex, Eylex, Tectonica Australia, ABI Coating 
Specialists, Thomas Global, Frontline Manufacturing, Precision Metal Group, MoTeC, 
Rockpress, Bisalloy, BlueScope and Thales Australia. 

Additionally, there are a range of other Australian companies supporting Rheinmetall 
Defence Australia in the delivery of the project and its operations in Australia.

Rheinmetall Defence Australia has established a teaming arrangement with two 
Australian companies (Bisalloy Steel Group and BlueScope) to provide armoured steel 
for the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles. Bisalloy will manufacture the ballistic 
armour from steel supplied by BlueScope.
German Boxer Heavy Weapon Carrier

The German Ministry of Defence is seeking to acquire 123 vehicles for the German 
Army, closely aligned to the design of the Australian Boxer Reconnaissance Vehicle 
variant. 

The Department of Defence is conducting formal negotiations with the German Federal 
Ministry of Defence and Rheinmetall Defence Australia.

The formal negotiations with the German Ministry of Defence and Rheinmetall will seek 
to establish appropriate legal and commercial arrangements, and confirm Rheinmetall’s 
ability to concurrently deliver on German requirements without impacting their 
obligations to Defence under the Australian Boxer contract.
Timeline of Significant Events
Date
Action
23 March 2023
Letter of Cooperation signed to enter into formal negotiations to 
pursue the Boxer Heavy Weapon Carrier vehicle export opportunity.
15 October 2022
Defence announced that Initial Operational Capability was achieved 
on schedule.
31 May 2021
Rheinmetall Defence Australia delivered all 25 Block I Boxer Combat 
Reconnaissance Vehicles.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch 
Group: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Phone: 
 / 
Phone: 
 / 
s22
s22
s47E(d)
s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000400
Last updated: 17 May 2023
         LAND 400 Phase 2 - Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle Project
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 15
Date
Action
The Australian National Audit Office published its report on 
26 November 2020
Defence’s procurement of Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles 
(LAND 400 Phase 2).
Rheinmetall Defence Australia’s Military Vehicle Centre of 
11 October 2020
Excellence facility was opened in Redbank, Queensland by the 
former Prime Minister. 
24 September 2019
Rheinmetall Defence Australia delivered the first Boxer Combat 
Reconnaissance Vehicle to Defence.
The Australian Government announced that Rheinmetall Defence 
14 March 2018
Australia had been selected to deliver Australia’s new Combat 
Reconnaissance Vehicle.
13 March 2018
Second Pass Government approval achieved.
09 December 2014
First Pass Government approval achieved.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No recent QoNs.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 23 March 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry announced the Boxer Heavy Weapon 
Carrier Vehicle export opportunity and signing of Letter of Cooperation.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has extensively reported on the Boxer Heavy Weapon Carrier export 
opportunity speculating on the value of export, and whether it will impact Rheinmetall 
Defence Australia’s offer under Infantry Fighting Vehicle project, which is currently 
under live tender.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch 
Group: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Phone: 
 / 
Phone: 
 / 
s22
s22
s47E(d)
s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000400
Last updated: 17 May 2023
         LAND 400 Phase 2 - Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle Project
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 15
Division:
Armoured Vehicle Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000400
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Jacqueline Menzies, Acting Assistant Secretary 
MAJGEN Jason Blain, Head Armoured 
Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Vehicle Division
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 17 May 2023
Date: 17 May 2023
Consultation: N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date:  18 May 2023  
Chris Deeble, Deputy Secretary, Capability Acquisition 
and Sustainment Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch 
Group: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Phone: s47E(d)  / 
Phone: s47E(d)  / 
s22
s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16

On 25 November 2022, the Minister for Defence Industry announced that the 
Government will consider the findings of the Defence Strategic Review before making a 
decision on the Infantry Fighting Vehicle project.

On 24 April 2023, the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister released the public 
version of the Defence Strategic Review and the Government’s response to the review. 
The announcement confirmed a reduction in the quantity of Infantry Fighting Vehicles 
to be acquired to a total of 129 vehicles. 

Both tenderers and relevant governments have been engaged regarding the reduction 
in quantities. 

Defence is working closely with Government in relation to the way forward for the 
acquisition of this important capability in line with agreed Defence Strategic Review 
recommendations.
If pressed: When will a decision on the Infantry Fighting Vehicle project preferred tenderer be 
made? 

The project remains subject to Government consideration. 
If pressed: Is there a preferred tenderer?

The project is a live tender and is yet to be considered by Government. 
If pressed: Has the Deputy Prime Minister recused himself from the Infantry Fighting Vehicle 
project decision-making process?

As reported in the Australian on 04 August 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister has 
recused himself from the decision-making process for the Infantry Fighting Vehicle 
project because one of the shortlisted tenderers is based in his electorate in the 
Geelong region.
Background 

The current M113 platform was first introduced into service in 1965 and is not 
fit-for-purpose against threats which are prevalent in our region. It has reached the 
limits of its technical life, and must be replaced as a core component of the Combined 
Arms Fighting System.

The Infantry Fighting Vehicles will be fitted with an Active Protection System to counter 
anti-tank missiles and other projectiles. The vehicles will also be armed with Spike LR2 
Anti-Tank Guided Missiles.

A robust tender evaluation process conducted over 2018 to 2021 and concluded with 
the approval of the final source evaluation report and preferred tenderer 
recommendation in December 2021.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16

In May 2022, Defence engaged with both shortlisted tenderers, Hanwha Defense 
Australia and Rheinmetall Defence Australia, to provide additional information to 
support consideration of available options for Defence and the Government.

The tender validity period was extended, on agreement of both tenderers, to 31 July 
2023, to accommodate the deferral of Government consideration of the project until 
after release of the Defence Strategic Review.
Australian Industry Capability

Once approved, the project may offer opportunities for Australian defence industry to 
be included in the successful tenderer’s international supply chain and contribute to 
growing Australia’s sovereign defence industrial base.

In line with direction of the Defence Strategic Review, Australian industry content and 
domestic production will be balanced against timely capability acquisition.
Budget

The current unapproved Integrated Investment Program provision is $18.1-27.1 billion 
(including contingency).  

The savings from the reduction of LAND 400 Phase 3, will help enable the acceleration 
of projects and the acquisition of additional capabilities identified under the Defence 
Strategic Review.
Timeline of Significant Events
Date
Action
The Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister released the public 
24 April 2023
version of the Defence Strategic Review and the Government’s 
response to the review. 
The Minister for Defence Industry announced that Government 
25 November 2022
would consider the findings of the Defence Strategic Review prior to 
making a decision on the project.
December 2021 
The final evaluation stage of the tender concluded with approval of 
the Source Evaluation Report.
08 October 2021
The Risk Mitigation Activity concluded with the submission of the 
shortlisted tenderers’ final offers.
11 October 2019
Defence signed contracts with both shortlisted tenderers to 
commence the Risk Mitigation Activity.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16
Date
Action
Hanwha Defense Australia and Rheinmetall Defence Australia 
16 September 2019
announced as shortlisted tenderers to proceed to the Risk 
Mitigation Activity.
01 March 2019
Request for Tender closed.
24 August 2018
Request for Tender released.
13 March 2018
First Pass Government approval achieved.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Budget Estimates: 09 November 2022

QoN 27, Small to Medium Enterprise Network, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) 
asked about preferred tender announcement delays and how it impacts the local small 
to medium enterprise ecosystem network. 

QoN 42, Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) asked a series 
of questions about the Infantry Fighting Vehicle project, including initial operational 
capability requirements, capability gaps, and details of incoming Government briefing.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 26 April 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Defence Industry 
discussed the reduction in number of infantry fighting vehicles being acquired in a 
Doorstop interview.

On 24 April 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Defence Industry 
announced the release of the Defence Strategic Review, including the recommendation 
to reduce the acquisition of Infantry Fighting Vehicles to 129 vehicles to provide one 
mechanised battalion. 

On 25 November 2022, the Minister for Defence Industry announced that the 
Government will consider the findings of the Defence Strategic Review before deciding 
on the tender for the LAND 400 Phase 3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle project.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16

On 03 October 2022, a spokesperson for Minister for Defence Industry was attributed 
in an ABC news article saying, "We do not comment on cabinet processes” in response 
to questions when a decision on the project would be made.

On 03 August 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister stated that the Minister for Defence 
Industry would be the Minister responsible for bringing the project forward for 
Government consideration via a media article.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has reported extensively on the outcomes of the Defence Strategic 
Review, particularly regarding the reduction in quantities. 

On 24 March 2023, the Australian published an article titled Germany in driver's seat to 
clinch $18bn armoured vehicle deal. Journalist Ben Packham speculated that the export 
opportunity of Boxer vehicles to Germany may ‘sweeten’ Rheinmetall Defence 
Australia’s offer under the Infantry Fighting Vehicle project.

On 03 March 2023, the Australian published an article published titled Army backs 
lethal Red Back. Journalist Ben Packham wrote that Hanwha Defense Australia’s 
Redback Infantry Fighting Vehicle is the Australian Army’s preferred tender, included 
speculation on Defence Strategic Review outcomes, reduction to Infantry Fighting 
Vehicle quantities and concerns regarding Elbit as a partner for the Redback turret. 

On 12 October 2022, an Australian Strategic Policy Institute Special Report titled 
Deciding the future: the Australian Army and the Infantry Fighting Vehicle was released 
with significant media reporting post release. The report examines the debate around 
the plan to acquire Infantry Fighting Vehicles and whether the number acquired should 
be 450.
Division:
Armoured Vehicle Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000401
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Jacqueline Menzies, Acting Assistant 
Sarah Myers, Acting Head Armoured Vehicle 
Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles 
Division
Branch
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 27 April 2023
Date: 27 April 2023
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by DSR:
Ph: s47E(d)
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy Defence 
Date: 28 April 2023
Strategic Review Task Force 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 27 April 2023
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates 09 November 2022

Small to Medium Enterprise Network 
Senator David Van
Spoken Question
Is there a risk, if a decision is made to have an IFV that this delay is going to potentially 
degrade the ecosystem needed to build them, should that decision be made?
Mr Moriarty: I think that the companies involved understand that the Defence Strategic 
Review is a very important process. A lot of the leads are looking at fundamental issues to do 
with force structure and force posture, and I think that they understand that the Government 
is, very appropriately, waiting for that report before decisions on major capabilities are taken.
Senator VAN: I agree with you and I do believe that the two primes understand that and are 
prepared to wait. It's the SME network that's going to underpin the ecosystem needed by the 
primes that doesn't understand this. I'm hearing from them very regularly that they're 
coming up to make decisions and asking if they should go and work on something else—
another defence project, a mining project or whatever it happens to be—rather than waiting 
around for Land 400 phase 3 Bravo to be decided. That's my concern. Minister, can you tell 
us if Land 400 phase 3 Bravo is being delayed because of DSR, or is it just waiting for a cabinet 
decision?
Senator Wong: I'll take on notice if there's anything further that I can give you, but I think 
that the advice from Mr Moriarty, and consistent with the answers, is that all capabilities are 
being considered in the context of the DSR.
Answer
The Infantry Fighting Vehicle project is in a live tender process and subject to Government 
decision, therefore it would not be appropriate to comment further on the project at this 
time. 
Budget Estimates 09 November 2022 
Infantry Fighting Vehicles 
Senator David Van
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000401
Last updated: 28 April 2023 
  LAND 400 Phase 3 - Land Combat Vehicle System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Jason Blain
Document 16
Written Question
1. Has the Department of Defence (Department) determined or received or otherwise been 
briefed on technical and operational assessments, including survivability in the context of 
contemporary combat scenarios, of the M113 Infantry Fighting Vehicle capability? Please 
provide details
2. The Incoming Government Brief (IGB) explicitly noted the need for upgrading our Infantry 
Fighting Vehicles. On what date the incoming Ministerial Brief delivered to the minister for 
Defence?
a. Was there a separate briefing on the IGB?
b. If yes, please provide a date/s and list of attendees.
3. What is Defence’s the Army’s stated initial operational capability (IOC) requirements for 
the L 400 Phase 3B project?
a. Does defence expect that it will meet this requirement?
b. Will there be a capability gap if defence does not meet this requirement?
4. What are the main factors preventing the IOC requirement being met?
5. How many SME’s does Defence expect to be supported by the L 400 Phase B project?
6. Is there a minimum requirement for the number, or percentage of SME’s that must be 
involved in the project as part of Defences commitment to supporting local industry?
Answer
1. Defence has assessed that the M113AS4 Armoured Personnel Carrier is suitable for 
training and deployment, on low-threat operations such as humanitarian assistance and 
disaster relief.  
2. 31 May 2022.
a. As is usual practice, Defence provided a range of briefs on portfolio matters following the 
2022 Federal Election.  
b. A range of senior Defence officials conducted a number of briefings as part of the 
incoming government process.   
3. The Initial Operational Capability requirements are subject to a Government decision-
making process.
a. See response to question 3.
b. Yes. A capability gap already exists with the obsolete Vietnam-era M113AS4 Armoured 
Personnel Carrier. The Australian Defence Force will not deploy the vehicles into medium 
and high threat environments, primarily due to protection levels and the age of the 
capability. The M113AS4 Armoured Personnel Carrier is retained primarily for training 
purposes.
4. See response to question 3.
5. Australian Industry Capability is considered during the tender process, and is dependent 
on the capability selected, which is subject to Government consideration.
6. No.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Jacqueline Menzies 
Name: Lieutenant General Simon Stuart
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Armoured Fighting Vehicles
Position: Chief of Army
Branch: Armoured Fighting Vehicles Branch
Group/Service: Army
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000402
Last updated: 18 May 2023
            Protected Mobility Vehicle - Light (Hawkei)
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Document 17
 This is not related to the original braking issue involving the Anti-Lock Braking System, for 
which a software fix has been implemented across the ADF fleet.
Will Australia gift Hawkei vehicles to Ukraine?
 Defence’s advice is that gifting of the Hawkei vehicle at this stage would adversely impact 
the introduction of the capability to the ADF.
 This is largely due to the work being performed by Thales to uplift vehicles to the final 
contracted baseline.
 There is also a shortage of spare parts as a result of the COVID-19 global supply chain 
challenges. Nearly all available repair parts would need to be redirected to Ukraine to 
keep the capability operating in a wartime environment.  
Why are there Hawkei vehicles parked at Thales’ facility in Bendigo?
 About 500 vehicles remain at Bendigo for Thales to complete work to bring them to the 
final contracted baseline before acceptance by the Commonwealth. 
 This work must be completed before they can be delivered to units and is commonplace 
on developmental programs of this scale and complexity. 
If pressed: why are Hawkei vehicles parked at Thales’ facility in Bendigo?
 To keep its workforce engaged and mitigate delays, Thales manufactured approximately 600 
vehicles prior to the final contracted baseline being agreed with Defence. 
 These vehicles were paid for earlier than required under the terms of the contract to enable 
Thales to sustain its own workforce and supply chain, during the COVID-19 pandemic, which 
incorporates a large number of small and medium-sized Australian businesses. 
Why has the project been delayed?
 Initial Operational Capability was initially rescheduled by 12 months from December 2019 
to December 2020 due to vehicle reliability, design maturity and production issues caused 
by Steyr Motors entering voluntary administration.
 The Hawkei Project experienced some initial challenges meeting Full-Rate Production and 
uplift capacity requirements. 
 The Project was also impacted by COVID-19, which caused global supply chain disruptions 
and impacted Army’s ability to complete the necessary training for the introduction of the 
vehicle. 
 Initial Operational Capability was then deferred pending resolution of a Hawkei brake 
incident that occurred on 23 November 2020, and was subsequently declared on 
20 May 2021.
 The collective impact of these delays mean that Final Operating Capability has been 
rescheduled to June 2024.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Head Land Systems
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Land Systems
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
  
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000402
Last updated: 18 May 2023
            Protected Mobility Vehicle - Light (Hawkei)
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Document 17
Is Thales liable for liquidated damages due to delays?
 It would not be appropriate to make comment on a commercial matter between the 
Commonwealth and Thales.
Background 
 The Hawkei Project (LAND 121 Phase 4) is acquiring 1,098 light protected mobility 
vehicles and 1,058 companion trailers from Thales Australia, which will be used for 
command, liaison, utility and reconnaissance roles.
 The Project’s current budget is $1.963 billion (March 22-23 Portfolio Budget Statement).
 The acquisition contract with Thales Australia, valued at about $1.5 billion, was signed on 
5 October 2015. It is on schedule to achieve an Australian Industry Capability target of 
50 per cent.
 The Hawkei provides a high level of protection for soldiers against blast and ballistic 
threats, comparable to the Bushmaster, with superior off-road mobility to enable it to 
operate in high-risk areas.
 The Hawkei is listed in the Defence Industrial Capability Plan (April 2018) as an example of 
a Sovereign Industrial Capability Priority in the category of 'Land Combat Vehicle and 
Technology Upgrade'.
 Thales was approved to commence full-rate production on 30 September 2020. This was 
completed in August 2022.
 The Project was removed from the Projects of Interest list on 26 May 2021.
 Thales’ vehicle production effort is now focussed on completing the ‘uplift’ of 
manufactured vehicles to the final production baseline. This type of work is commonplace 
on developmental programs of this scale and complexity. 
 It is expected that the uplift to the final production baseline will be completed by June 
2023, pending resolution of the braking system issue. 
 As at 17 May 2023, Defence has accepted and paid for a total of 874 Hawkei vehicles, and 
398 vehicles and trailers have been issued to Defence units across Australia.
 In October 2021, the Government approved a reduction in project scope to allow a 
buyback of two Hawkei vehicles by Thales Australia to support a potential export 
opportunity.
 This reduced the total quantity to be delivered by Thales to Defence from the original 
1,100 Hawkei vehicles to 1,098.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Head Land Systems
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Land Systems
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
  
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000402
Last updated: 18 May 2023
            Protected Mobility Vehicle - Light (Hawkei)
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Document 17
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 60 Hawkei vehicle faults, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, Tasmania) asked 
questions relating to an article in the Australian concerning speed limits, public road 
bans and the braking fault identified with the Hawkei.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 29 March 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Ukraine calls for more 
Australian armour. Journalist Ben Packham stated a Ukrainian Defence Ministry adviser 
urges Australia to donate Abrams tanks and Hawkeis.

On 15 November 2022, The Australian published an article titled, Speed limit, road ban 
for Defence’s $2bn 4WDs. Journalist Ben Packham stated concern about speed limits, 
public road bans and the braking fault identified with the Hawkei four-wheel drive 
vehicle.

On 15 September 2022, ABC News published an article titled, Ukraine calls for more 
Bushmasters, Hawkeis as war with Russia rages on. Journalist Tyrone Dalton stated the 
Ukrainian ambassador to Australia says his country's forces are getting creative in how 
they use Australian-made Bushmasters as its Bendigo-based manufacturer, Thales, says 
it is working hard to secure export orders for both Bushmaster and Hawkei protected 
vehicles. 

On 24 August 2022, ABC News published an article titled, Defence Manufacturer Thales 
axe 29 jobs at Bendigo factory. Reporter Shannon Schubert stated Thales is making 29 
of its Bendigo defence manufacturing staff redundant. 

On 16 June 2022, The Bendigo Advertiser published an article titled, Bendigo-built 
Hawkei vehicles is back in Defence’s good books. Reporter Tom O’Callaghan stated 
Defence expects the last Bendigo-built Hawkeis to be ready by June 2023.

On 11 March 2022, Australian Defence Magazine published an article titled, Who is 
undermining Hawkei? Journalist Ewen Levick examined the issues impacting the 
Hawkei.

On 04 March 2022, ABC News published an article titled, Brake problems delay delivery 
of Army’s billion-dollar Hawkei fleet. Reporter Brett Worthington stated the 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Head Land Systems
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Land Systems
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
  
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000402
Last updated: 18 May 2023
            Protected Mobility Vehicle - Light (Hawkei)
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Document 17
Government is spending $1.3 billion on 1,100 Hawkei protected vehicles to replace 
Army Land Rovers, but delivery has been delayed because of problems with brakes. 
Division: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group Land Systems 
PDR No: SB23-000402
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Brigadier John-Paul Ouvrier
Major General Andrew Bottrell, Head Land 
Mob: s22
   Ph: 
Systems, Capability Acquisition and 
s47E(d)
Sustainment Group Land Systems Division
Date: 03 April 2023
Mob: s22
Date: 18 May 2023
Consultation:  Nil
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 18 May 2023  
Chris Deeble, Deputy Secretary, Capability Acquisition 
and Sustainment Group
Questions on Notice referred to within this brief: 
Budget Estimates 09 November 2022

Hawkei vehicle faults and bans
Senator Claire Chandler
Written Question 
With reference to reporting in The Australian, 15 November 2022, concerning speed limits, 
public road bans and the braking fault identified with the Hawkei four-wheel drive vehicle: 
1. The fault was identified on 11 November 2022. Please confirm the nature of the quality 
assurance inspection, how often such inspections are carried out, and the process for 
identifying faults. 
2. Please provide details of the identified fault, any attendant risks, and the risk mitigation 
and rectification program, including costs and implications for the introduction of further 
vehicles into service. 
3. What are the risks and impacts of the fault, the risk management and rectification program 
for vehicles in service with the Australian Defence Force (ADF)? What costs and further risks 
are associated with removing vehicles from service, or imposition of speed limits, road bans 
and other aspects of the risk management and rectification program? 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Head Land Systems
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Land Systems
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
  
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000402
Last updated: 18 May 2023
            Protected Mobility Vehicle - Light (Hawkei)
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Document 17
4. When will the fault risk management and rectification process be completed? What 
progress has been made? What is the expected total cost of the fault, risk management and 
rectification? 
5. In addition to the braking fault, were any other faults or risks identified with the vehicles 
during the inspection? If yes, what risk mitigation or remedial action has been 
recommended? 
6. Had any similar, or other, faults or risks been identified with the vehicles during prior 
quality assurance inspections? If yes, how have these been resolved? 
7. Has the Department of Defence (Department) been briefed by the ADF in relation to the 
impacts and implications of the identified fault, risk management and rectification process on 
capability and operations? Please provide details.
Answer
1. These inspections occur during final production work on vehicles to verify that each vehicle 
meets Defence’s contracted performance and quality requirements to ensure the vehicle is 
safe to operate and fit for purpose. 
2. The brake system fault is characterised as the incorrect operation of the Anti-Lock Braking 
System. Based on the information provided by Thales, Defence has assessed the potential 
safety risk as High and put in place restrictions on the use of the Hawkei vehicle until Thales 
has identified the root cause of the fault and advised Defence of an approved rectification 
procedure. The costs and timeline for rectification will not be known until Thales has 
confirmed the root cause and fault remediation program. 
3. The fault may affect the performance of the brake system and in some circumstances may 
also affect the directional stability of the vehicle during braking. 
Defence has a comprehensive risk framework for assessing the potential impact of a fault, 
and determining appropriate vehicle operating restrictions to mitigate risks. These 
restrictions will remain in place while Defence and Thales work together to identify the root 
cause, and then implement a remediation plan across the Hawkei fleet. 
The current restrictions on the Hawkei will impact some training activities; however, Defence 
does not envisage a requirement to remove the vehicles from service while the root cause is 
being assessed. 
4. The timeline and cost for any required rectification will not be known until Thales has 
confirmed the root cause of the fault and advised Defence of an approved rectification 
procedure. 
5. No. 
6. Not to the knowledge of Defence. While reliability issues were identified, and remediated, 
during earlier reliability trials, Defence is not aware of any other faults or risks being 
identified during quality assurance inspections. 
7. The Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group and Army (the Capability Manager) are 
working collaboratively to manage the issue. The key impact identified to date relates to the 
training of ADF personnel. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Major General Andrew Bottrell
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Head Land Systems
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Land Systems
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s22
  
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000403
Last updated: 27 April 2023
             Special Purpose Aircraft
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 18
entitled passengers. The Deputy Prime Minister, as Minister for Defence, approves the 
domestic flights of all other entitled passengers.

Defence coordinates with the Prime Minister’s Office, the Department of the Prime 
Minister and Cabinet, the Office of the Official Secretary to the Governor-General and 
the Office of the Minister for Defence to manage Special Purpose Aircraft allocation 
and tasking.

The review and update of the Guidelines for the Use of Special Purpose Aircraft will 
incorporate the security review considerations undertaken by the Australian Federal 
Police.

Future Special Purpose Aircraft schedules will be released by Defence once the review 
of the Guidelines is complete. This will ensure that security considerations are balanced 
with the need to remain accountable and transparent in the use of a public asset.

Replacement of the current Boeing Business Jets with two new medium capacity 
737-8 aircraft represents better value-for-money than retention of the Boeing Business 
Jets beyond lease expiry in 2024.
When was Government agreement provided for replacement of the Special Purpose Aircraft 
fleet?

Agreement to lease two new replacement medium capacity 737-8 Boeing Business Jet 
aircraft was provided by the Prime Minister on 18 December 2021.
Does the replacement Special Purpose Aircraft lease cost more than the existing fleet?

Yes. The replacement Special Purpose Aircraft are new aircraft replacing the current 
Defence Boeing Business Jets, which will be 22 years old at the end of their current 
lease term in 2024. 

The cost of the lease of the current Boeing Business Jet fleet – which is on its third lease 
term – reflects the aircraft age and therefore, low residual value.

The lease cost for the current Boeing Business Jet fleet is $4.9 million per annum in 
comparison to the new fleet lease cost of $28.9 million annually, noting lease costs 
decrease each time a lease term contract is renegotiated.
Background 

Special Purpose Aircraft have flown entitled persons since 1959. 

Special Purpose Aircraft support Government to conduct business in a timely, efficient 
and secure manner. 

Special Purpose Aircraft enable Government business to continue when commercial 
options are not suitable. The aircraft afford passengers minimal delays and reduced 
transit times from point-to-point. Secure communications allow Government 
passengers to continue working during flight. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name:  Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force
Branch: Air Force Headquarters
Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000403
Last updated: 27 April 2023
             Special Purpose Aircraft
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 18
Key Facts and Figures 

The permanently designated Special Purpose Aircraft fleet comprises three ‘small’ 
Dassault Falcon 7X (13 passengers) and two ‘medium’ 737 Boeing Business Jets (26 
passengers). These aircraft are operated by No. 34 Squadron located at Defence 
Establishment Fairbairn, Canberra.

The Special Purpose Aircraft fleet is supplemented by one large capacity ‘Government 
Transport and Communications’ modified KC-30A aircraft operated by No. 33 Squadron 
from Royal Australian Air Force Base Amberley. Its modification costs included:

Air-to-air refuelling tanker element – $167 million; and

Government Transport and Communications element – $135 million.

The additional cost to operate the Falcon 7X or 737 Boeing Business Jet is $4,135 per 
hour.

The additional cost to operate a KC-30A as a Government Transport and 
Communications aircraft is $6,985 per hour.

Defence revises the ‘additional cost’ per hour of Special Purpose Aircraft every financial 
year. These costs are indexed yearly and reported within the Schedule of Special 
Purpose Flights.

The support contractor is Northrop Grumman Australia Technology Services.

The latest Schedule of Special Purpose Flights was published on 21 July 2021. It can be 
found on the Defence website.

Defence is leasing two replacement 737-8 Boeing Business Jets to ensure continuity in 
the provision of medium capacity Special Purpose Aircraft capability when the existing 
Boeing Business Jets are withdrawn. 

The two Boeing Business Jets are scheduled to reach a planned withdrawal date 
mid-2024.
Medium Special Purpose Aircraft Replacement

A review of the medium capacity Special Purpose Aircraft capability assessed 
replacement of the current Boeing Business Jets with two new medium capacity 
737-8 aircraft represents better value for money than retention of the Boeing Business 
Jets beyond lease expiry in 2024.

The 737-8 Boeing Business Jets meet or exceed all current Boeing Business Jet 
capabilities. They are the only viable solution to meet the future requirements of the 
medium capacity Special Purpose Aircraft capability.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name:  Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force
Branch: Air Force Headquarters
Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000403
Last updated: 27 April 2023
             Special Purpose Aircraft
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 18

The 737-8 Boeing Business Jet was the only tendered option that can carry enough 
people, far enough, with sufficient amenity required for the medium capacity Special 
Purpose Aircraft role.

The 737-8 Boeing Business Jet is capable of transporting more passengers, with fewer 
refuelling stops and a higher level of amenity than the current Boeing Business Jet. 
Contemporary amenities allow for appropriate work and rest on-board for both 
passengers and crew, and include maximising lie-flat seating, reduced cabin altitude 
and a crew rest facility on-board.

s33(a)(i)
 systems on-board with more capable systems than the Boeing 
Business Jet will enable s33(a)(i)
 
, improving Government efficiency during transit. 
Government Transport and Communications

The Government Transport and Communications aircraft provides large capacity, long-
range international transport when not used in its primary air to air refuelling role. 

The Government Transport and Communications aircraft is operated by No. 33 
Squadron located at RAAF Base Amberley.

The Government Transport and Communications aircraft has recently been used to 
transport the Prime Minister to the G20 meetings in India, and to bilateral meetings 
with the governments of Papua New Guinea and the Republic of Fiji, and to meetings 
with the governments of the United States and United Kingdom for the AUKUS 
announcements in San Diego, United States. 

In 2022, the aircraft transported the Prime Minister to:

Bilateral meetings in Indonesia;

The Quadrilateral dialogues in Japan;

The Northern Atlantic Treaty Organisation conference in Spain, and Bilateral 
meetings in France;

State funeral of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II;

State funeral of the former Prime Minister of Japan, Shinzo Abe; 

Association of Southeast Asian Nations dialogues, G20 and Asia-Pacific Economic 
Cooperation summits in Cambodia, Indonesia and Thailand respectively. 

In 2023, the aircraft has transported the Prime Minister to:

Bilateral meetings in Papua New Guinea; and

G20 summit, AUKUS meetings and Bilateral meetings in India, USA and Fiji respectively.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name:  Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force
Branch: Air Force Headquarters
Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000403
Last updated: 27 April 2023
             Special Purpose Aircraft
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 18

With the introduction of the F-35A Lightning II and P-8A Poseidon, the fleet of seven 
KC-30A air-to-air refuelling tankers, inclusive of the Government Transport and 
Communications aircraft, s33(a)(i)


s33(a)(i)
Manifests, Tabling and Reporting Requirements

Defence is responsible to the Deputy Prime Minister (as Minister for Defence) for 
compiling the Schedule of Special Purpose Flights for tabling in Parliament. 

Defence provides the Schedule of Special Purpose Flights, once reviewed and verified 
by the Approving Authorities, to the Deputy Prime Minister for tabling. The Office of 
the Deputy Prime Minister also provides copies to the following agencies the: 

Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority; and

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

The last Special Purpose Aircraft Schedule to be tabled in Parliament covered the 
period 1 July – 31 December 2020. 

Special Purpose Aircraft Schedules for the period 1 January 2021 to 31 December 2022 
have not been tabled, due to the review of the Special Purpose Aircraft Guidelines.

As part of normal Special Purpose Aircraft Guidelines and Schedule of Special Purpose 
Flights processes, Defence provides the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister 
with manifests reflecting passengers carried on each task as recorded by the Defence 
database. 

As part of normal Special Purpose Aircraft Guidelines and Schedule of Special Purpose 
Flights processes, on a routine basis, Approving Authorities verify a summary, provided 
by Defence, of all travel and advise Defence if discrepancies are identified.
Tabling Dates for Special Purpose Aircraft Schedule
Schedule
Senate Tabled Date
1 July 2020 – 31 December 2020
21 July 2021
1 January 2020 – 30 June 2020
11 February 2021
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name:  Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force
Branch: Air Force Headquarters
Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000403
Last updated: 27 April 2023
             Special Purpose Aircraft
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 18
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

None identified.
Division:
Air Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000403
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Air Commodore David Titheridge
Air Vice-Marshal Wendy Blyth, Head of Air 
Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air  Force Capability
Force
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 27 April 2023
Date: 30 March 2023
Consultation:  
Capability, Acquisition and Sustainment 
Date:  03 April 2023
Group.
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips, Head of 
 
Aerospace Systems Division
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: 
N/A
Cleared by Service Chief:
Date: 27 April 2023
Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name:  Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force
Branch: Air Force Headquarters
Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000404
Last updated: 19 May 2023
       Northern Airbases
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 19
Northern Airbases
Handling Note: Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force, to lead on capability 
aspects of Northern Airbases.
Key Messages

Defence maintains a network of airbases across northern Australia to project and 
sustain air power in defence of Australia and its interests.

The Defence Strategic Review identifies improvement of the ADF’s ability to operate 
from Australia’s northern bases as a priority.

Defence’s immediate priorities are to improve capacity and resilience of the network of 
northern airbases.

Improvements to capacity and resilience of Australia’s northern airbases will create 
new economic opportunities in regional and remote areas.
Talking Points
Why are the northern airbases important?

Defence maintains a network of airbases in northern Australia to project and sustain air 
power in the defence of Australia and its interests. These bases are vital for the 
provision of logistic support, deterrence, and denial across the region.

Defence conducts routine operations from the northern airbases, as well as major 
exercises that activate all elements of the network. 
What are the northern airbases?

The northern airbase network comprises a combination of permanently staffed main 
bases being Townsville (QLD), Darwin (NT) and Tindal (Katherine, NT), and minimally 
staffed forward operating bases being Scherger (Weipa, QLD), Curtin (Derby, WA), and 
Learmonth (Exmouth, WA).

With the exception of RAAF Base Scherger, the northern airbases enable civilian 
aviation activities that support local communities, such as regular public transport, 
logistics and aeromedical services. 

RAAF Bases Darwin and Townsville are joint user aerodromes that support domestic 
and international civil air transport. 

RAAF Base Townsville is also a main sustainment base for Army aviation capabilities. 

A civilian terminal exists at RAAF Base Curtin, leased to the Shire of Derby. While 
functional, it is currently not utilised.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force 
Division: Air Force HQ
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000404
Last updated: 19 May 2023
       Northern Airbases
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 19

The airfield at Cocos (Keeling) Islands is utilised by Defence but managed by the 
Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications and 
the Arts. Defence contributes to the maintenance of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands airfield.
Why must northern airbases be viewed a holistic capability system?

The Defence Strategic Review suggested the Chief of Air Force should manage the 
northern airbases as a holistic capability system. The review did not make a specific 
recommendation to change capability management responsibilities.

Airbases must be treated as a capability system.  They are the platform to project and 
sustain air power, and must provide dispersal, redundancy and resilience for our force 
posture.

A holistic capability approach allows for more effective and efficient day-to-day 
operations and future investment by ensuring that all elements of the capability are 
considered in relation to each other.  

Air Force works closely with Security and Estate Group to ensure the airbase 
infrastructure and services meet operational requirements, alongside the provision of 
supplies and services such as air traffic management, air movements, aircraft fuelling, 
maintenance activities, spares parts and many other elements outside the estate 
management remit.  
Why do the northern airbases require further investment?

Defence’s northern air basing posture has not changed since the late 1980s with the 
construction of forward operating bases (Scherger, Curtin and Learmonth). 

Defence is developing a discrete program of works to enhance the resilience of 
northern airbase infrastructure. The Enhanced Northern Air Base Resilience Project will 
prioritise works at RAAF Bases Learmonth, Curtin, Tindal, Darwin, Scherger and 
Townsville, in addition to Cocos (Keeling) Islands.   

Air Force’s immediate priorities are to improve capacity and resilience of the northern 
airbases. In line with the recommendations of the Defence Strategic Review, work 
across northern airbases will include upgrades to runway and apron capacity, fuel 
supply and storage, accommodation and security. These improvements seek to 
increase capacity, resilience and flexibility of Defence’s basing capability in support of 
the integrated force.
Background 

The network of airbases in northern Australia are essential for the conduct of Defence 
operations, including Force Generation and Force Application, to maintain Australia’s 
national security.

The Defence Strategic Review, released on 24 April 2023, outlines a developed network 
of northern bases as a critical capability for the ADF’s ongoing operational success.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force 
Division: Air Force HQ
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000404
Last updated: 19 May 2023
       Northern Airbases
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 19

The Cocos (Keeling) Islands airfield upgrade project received Parliamentary approval for 
delivery on 29 March 2023. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

Supplementary Budget: 15 February 2023

In QoN 18, Cocos (Keeling), Senator David Fawcett (Liberal, South Australia) asked for a 
breakdown of additional funds for the Cocos (Keeling) Island project. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 27 April 2023, the Minister for Defence released a press statement titled 
Strengthening Australia’s Northern Bases. The statement outlined Government 
direction to Defence to spend $2 billion for critical air bases stretching across the 
northern airbases.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has reported extensively on US Basing in Australia and upgrades to 
Defence facilities in the north of Australia.

On 26 January 2023, ABC News published an article titled, Trepidation over ADF plan to 
upgrade airstrip, boost military capability on Cocos (Keeling) Islands - ABC News
Journalist, Alice Angeloni, reported the Australian Defence Force had plans for a $567.5 
million upgrade to the airfield at the Cocos (Keeling) Islands to accommodate heavier 
military planes. The shire's chief executive said the community was feeling trepidation 
ahead of the upgrades. A defence researcher said concerns that ADF investment posed 
a security threat were understandable but unfounded.

On 28 February 2023, The Australian published an article titled Our northern bases are 
becoming ‘increasingly problematic’. Journalist, Nigel Pittaway, reported on the 
posturing of the Australian Defence Force to meet growing regional threats and 
infrastructural upgrades to bases like RAAF Base Tindal. It stated that despite these 
upgrades, none of the facilities are hardened against attack and the rapidly maturing 
long-range strike capabilities of increasingly belligerent nations. Chief of Air Force was 
quoted that the upgrades to facilities are part of our normal business “Air Force is 
developing plans to protect our bases and critical supply lines and, if necessary, find 
alternate pathways to sustain air and space power that are less vulnerable to 
disruption.”
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force 
Division: Air Force HQ
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000404
Last updated: 19 May 2023
       Northern Airbases
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 19
Division:
Head of Air Force Capability Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000404
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Air Commodore David Titheridge
Air Vice-Marshal Wendy Blyth 
Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air  Head of Air Force Capability
Force
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 19 May 2023  
Date: 11 May 2023
Consultation: Security and Estate Group
Date: 15 May 2023 
Dan Fankhauser, First Assistant Secretary 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
 
Infrastructure 
Cleared by DSR: 
Date: 1 May 2023
Major General Christopher Field
Ph: s47E(d)
Deputy DSR Task Force – ADF Integration
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 19 May 2023  
Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force 
Division: Air Force HQ
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000404
Last updated: 19 May 2023
       Northern Airbases
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 19
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
2022-23 Supplementary Budget Estimates
Cocos (Keeling)
Senator David Fawcett
Question
Senator FAWCETT: Sure. You've given us a long list of factors that you've considered. Can you 
give us a breakdown of the I think $383.6 million of additional funding, as to which of those 
elements contributed to that funding?
Mr Fankhauser: Yes, we'll provide that on notice.
Answer
A summarised breakdown of the $384 million cost increase is provided below:
Reason for cost increase
Value ($m)
Increased funding to meet original cost estimate
31
Additional scope (Runway Extension, Defence legacy waste and supporting 
89
elements)
Increased Defence contingency (from 5% to 15% of budget)
65
Increase in material volumes (i.e. asphalt)
31
Increased shipping and logistics costs
115
Increased workforce costs, design and management fees
53
Total
384
A breakdown of the changes to project expenditure across financial years is provided below:
2021-22  2022-23  2023-24  2024-25  2025-26  2026-27 
($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
($m)
Contingency Total
Original
101
72
2
-
-
-
9
184
Change
-101
-71
117
248
116
10
65
384
Current
-
1
119
248
116
10
74
568
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore David Titheridge
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Capability Enablers – Air Force
Position: Chief of Air Force 
Division: Air Force HQ
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20

As highlighted in the Defence Strategic Review, the Government recognises Defence 
must continue to develop its space capabilities. Defence is examining options to 
achieve this for presentation to Government for consideration as a part of the 2024 
Budget.

The Government agreed or agreed in principle to three recommendations relating to 
space:

“Space Command should be moved into Joint Capabilities Group from 1 July 
2023”. This was accepted by Government and Defence has established a 
dedicated transition team to affect the change. The move will focus space power 
as a joint element of the integrated force. Moving Defence Space Command was 
always a consideration in the Defence Space Strategy.

“A centralised space domain capability development and management function 
should be established”. This was agreed in-principle. This function partially exists 
with the Space Commander holding capability development functions and 
developing capability management functions as new capabilities come into 
service.    

“A method should be established for building and sustaining a trained Defence 
space workforce, including a defined career path for space professionals”. This 
was also agreed in-principle. Defence has developed the Defence Space Strategic 
Workforce Plan 2022-35 that defines and identifies the future workforce needed 
and areas of workforce risk in assuring Australia’s access to space. Defence will 
look at accelerating the workforce plan and development of the training 
continuum to implement this agreed recommendation.

Defence is coordinating closely with its allies and partners to ensure alignment in our 
approaches to shape, deter and respond to, from or through the space domain.

Defence is also engaged with inter-agency partners, including the Australia Space 
Agency, to support sovereign space industry development, with a focus on unique 
Australian capabilities that compliment those of our allies and partners.
If pressed: Is Defence seeking to acquire ‘soft kill’ capabilities?

This is not terminology used by Defence.

There are many ways that competitors can interfere with space capabilities, including 
non-kinetic effects like jamming of the electro-magnetic spectrum.

To mitigate potential threats in space, Defence is designing resilient mission systems 
and contributing to combined space operations with our allies and partners.

Defence is exploring options for a Space Electronic Warfare capability to detect and 
deter attempts to interfere with our use of the space domain without causing debris or 
damage to the space environment. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20

Defence supports efforts to promote international norms, transparency and 
cooperation in upholding responsible behaviour in space.
Background

Defence Space Command’s mission is to prepare space power to secure Australia's 
interests in peace and war. The Command vision is assured Australian civil and military 
access in space, integrated across Government, and in concert with allies, international 
partners and industry. 

Defence Space Command is responsible for managing space capability projects, the 
development, growth and sustainment of a space workforce, force assignment of space 
specialists to the Chief of Joint Operations, space concepts and doctrine, and the 
development of effective partnerships with international and inter-agency partners.

Since its establishment in January 2022, Defence Space Command’s achievements 
include the release of the Defence Space Strategy, a review of space capability projects, 
the development of the Defence Space Strategic Workforce Plan, the establishment of 
the Joint Force space component within Joint Operations Command, and the stand-up 
of the first Joint Space Unit, 1 Space Surveillance Unit.

Defence Space Command is working across the Defence Portfolio to progress efforts to 
advance space capability delivery, a space policy framework and to develop space 
workforce and career pathways.
Defence Space Capability Program

Government has accepted in-principle a recommendation in the Defence Strategic 
Review that a centralised space domain capability development and management 
function should be established.

The Space Domain Capability Program will seek to combine the current Space Services 
and Space Control Programs to reduce duplication in the management of two 
programs, and provide better appreciation of how capabilities correlate within the 
space domain. 

The implementation of this program will be subject to consideration as a part of the 
National Defence Strategy to be delivered in 2024.
Work with Allies and Partners

Defence remains closely engaged with international partners—including through the 
Combined Space Operations initiative with Five Eyes partners, France and Germany—to 
ensure space remains safe, secure and accessible, and to establish international norms 
for responsible behaviours in space.

At Australia–United States Ministerial consultations in 2022, the principals decided to 
enhance space cooperation and space domain awareness, and strengthen assured 
access to space through future bilateral space arrangements. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20

The US-built Space Surveillance Telescope in Western Australia, which achieved 
initial operating capability in September 2022, demonstrates an important 
milestone in bilateral space collaboration. 

Australia has a unique geographical position to contribute significantly to collective 
space domain awareness with our allies and partners. Space domain awareness enables 
tracking and identification of space objects and threats, such as space debris, as well as 
predicting and avoiding potential collisions in space.
Threats to Space Capabilities

Capabilities can be employed by competitors to interfere with and influence satellites. 
Threats can originate from the ground or space domain. Actions can range from non-
kinetic effects (such as electronic attack for jamming communications) to kinetic 
weapons (such as Direct Ascent Anti-Satellite missiles). 

Both China and Russia have demonstrated advanced space capabilities that could be 
used to attack other nations’ satellites. There has been no demonstrated intent or 
actions from either nation to disable Australian space capabilities.  

The Chinese Shijian-21 satellite that towed a defunct Chinese satellite out of its position 
in geosynchronous earth orbit to dispose of it, as reported on 27 January 2022, is an 
example of a potential dual use technology (i.e. could have both civilian and military 
uses).
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

An organisation requested the, ‘latest copies of the projects of concerns and projects 
of interest reports.’ In response, a redacted version of the August 2022 Project and 
Product of Concern and Interest Dashboard Report was released, which lists Joint 
Project 2008 Phase 5B2 as a Project of Interest.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Australian media has reported extensively on Lockheed Martin winning the tender to 
build Australia’s first sovereign military satellites.

On 23 March 2023, ABC News published an article titled, NASA boss Bill Nelson visits 
Canberra, amid concerns for Australian space industry's failure to launch. Journalist 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20
Andrew Greene reported on the head of National Aeronautics and Space 
Administration’s (NASA) visit to Canberra. 

On 22 March 2023, the Western Australian Government Department of Jobs, Tourism, 
Science and Innovation published, WA space and defence industry wows at AVALON 
2023. The department reported on the attendance of the Defence West team at the 
Australian International Airshow 2023. 

On 20 March 2023, InnovationAus.com published an article titled, Rover builders 
revealed as NASA leaders charm Aus space sector. Journalist Joseph Brookes wrote 
about the two Australian space consortiums that were selected as the industry 
partners for Australia’s first Moon mission. 

On 17 March 2023, Reuters publications released an article titled, Britain and Japan 
sign space co-operation deal. Reuters reported on the signing of an agreement 
between Great Britain and Japan to facilitate future space co-operation including 
sharing space information, collaborative training and personnel exchanges.

On 14 March 2023, paceaustralia.com published an article titled, First Projects to Fly in 
the Australian Astronaut Program Announced. Journalist Clare Fletcher wrote that 
Sabre Astronautics had announced the first set of projects that will fly to the 
International Space Station as part of its Australian Astronaut Program.

On 13 March 2023, Space & Defence (spaceanddefense.io) published an article titled, 
UK – Australia Space Bridge Chases Bigger Role in Defence Space Sector. The article 
relayed Head of Space at the United Kingdom Department for Business and Trade’s 
speech at the Australian International Airshow 2023.

On 20 March 2023, Amtil (Amtil.com.au on) published an article titled, Gilmour has 
eyes on the sky. Amtil wrote about Gilmour Space Technologies plans to launch its Eris 
Orbital Rocket in 2023 and G-class satellites from 2024.

On 04 March 2023, Reuters publications released an article titled, As space junk threat 
grows, government and investors seek solutions. Journalist Joey roulette wrote of 
increased space debris in Earth’s orbit.

On 03 March 2023, Australian media reported on Defence Space Command’s intent to 
quickly secure ‘non-destructive’ capabilities to deter attacks or interfere with enemy 
satellites without creating additional space debris.

On 21 February 2023, an article was published on spaceconnectonline.com.au, 
Australia’s geographic location gives us the edge on launch. Journalist Malavika 
Santhebennur wrote about benefits of Australia’s geographical location with respect to 
space launches, and the need for collaboration within Australia’s space sector.

On 17 February 2023, Australian Defence Magazine published an article titled, New 
Aus-UK space capability mapping tool announced. It reported that Australian space 
industry announced a new space supply chain mapping tool to showcase the United 
Kingdom and Australian space sector capabilities.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20

On 01 February 2023, Australian Strategic Policy Institute published an article in the 
Strategist titled, Australian, US, UK and French commanders on why ‘space is hard.’ 
Senior Analyst Malcom Davis explored the importance of the space domain for defence 
and national security.

On 10 February 2023, Business Acumen Magazine published an article titled, New 
inquiry on the Defence Annual Report 2021–22. It reported on key themes for the 
Defence subcommittee of the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence 
and Trade’s inquiry are announced.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000405
Last updated: 23 May 2023
         Space Command
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts
Document 20
Division: 
Air Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000405
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Catherine Kimonides
Air Vice-Marshal Catherine Roberts 
Acting Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Commander, Defence Space Command
Mob: s22
 
Mob:  s22
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 24 May 2023  
Consultation:  Air Defence and Space Systems 
Date:  03 April 2023
Division 
Mob: s22
   
Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul
Head Air Defence and Space Systems Division
Consultation:  Strategic Policy Division 
Date:  03 April 2023
Andrew Hodgkinson 
Mob: s22
 
Assistant Secretary, Strategic Policy 
Cleared by DSR:
Date: 28 April 2023
Major General Christopher Field
Ph: s47E(d)
DSR Task Force – ADF Integration
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 24 May 2023  
Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force
Air Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Kimonides
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Space Strategic Plans
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division:  Defence Space Command 
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Senate Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000406
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 
Fast Facts
Project Number
DEF6014
Project Name
MQ-28A Ghost Bat
Project Schedule
Planned
Achieved
Initial Operational Capability N/A
Final Operational Capability
N/A
Key Financial Measures 
(Price Basis – Budget figures provided are on 2023-24 PBS Price Basis as 31 March 2023)
Total Approved $608 million 
(including $76 million contingency in Phase 2) 
Across all Phases comprising 
- $457 million for Phase 2 
- $115 million for Phase 1B 
Project Budget 
- $40 million for Phase 1.
Total Spend to Date $136 million as at 30 June 
2022 ($96 million PH1B and $40 million PH1)
Total Year to Date Spend $149 million as at 31 
March 2023 ($16 million PH1B and $132 
million PH2)
Detailed Acquisition Measures
Life to Date Spend
$136 million (30 June 2022) ($96 million PH1B 
and $40 million PH1)
2022-23 Budget Estimate
$254 million ($19 million PH1B and $235 
million PH2)
2023-24 Budget Estimate
$146 million (PH2 only)
2022-23 Year to Date Expenditure
$149 million as at 31 March 2023 ($16 million 
PH1B and $132 million PH2)
Talking Points
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 
What has Defence invested in the MQ-28A Ghost Bat Program?

Government has approved more than $600 million to support the MQ-28A Ghost Bat 
program. Additionally, Defence has provided significant non-financial support to the 
project, including the provision of specialised equipment, personnel, and access to test 
facilities and subject matter experts during live and digital testing.
If pressed: How much does a MQ-28A Ghost Bat cost?

Boeing Defence Australia is aiming for the cost of each aircraft to be one-tenth of the 
cost of a fifth generation fighter aircraft. Defence will continue to monitor costs as the 
project matures to inform future decisions.

The investment in the Program to date is reflective of the large amount of research and 
development required for the novel Collaborative Combat Aircraft capabilities and 
initial project stand-up.
What testing is being done with the MQ-28A Ghost Bat aircraft?

Boeing Defence Australia is executing a flight test program with Air Force support to 
expand the aircraft flight envelope (operating altitude and airspeed).

Flight testing will subsequently concentrate on autonomy capabilities and behaviours, 
sensor performance, and integration/teaming with crewed platforms. 

Digital testing (utilising representative mission systems) is being conducted with Air 
Force involvement.

Specific details of the test program, teaming and autonomous capabilities, and mission 
payload systems testing are both commercial in confidence and highly classified.
How many MQ-28A Ghost Bats will you order? 

Any decisions on future production, force mix, or follow-on development will be made 
as the capability is proven.
Will the MQ-28A Ghost Bat build/construction/production remain in Australia?

Boeing Defence Australia has committed to maximising MQ-28A Ghost Bat construction 
in Australia.
What is the Australian Industry component of the MQ-28A Ghost Bat?

70 per cent of the Program is being directed towards Australian Industry content, 
which will deliver substantial benefits to Australian Industry.

Over 150 Australian companies have contributed to the Program, including over 50 
Australian small and medium enterprises within the supply chain.

The Program has created about 400 jobs (predominately high technology), as well as 
expanded opportunities across the supply chain. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000406
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 

The application of advanced software programming in avionics and autonomy for both 
the MQ-28A Ghost Bat and in manufacturing robotics is a major opportunity for 
Australian Industry to grow a significant sovereign capability.
Is the MQ-28A Ghost Bat ethical?

The MQ-28A Ghost Bat Program is a pathfinder for integrating autonomous systems to 
create smart human-machine teams. 

An important part of developing these concepts is to examine the potential use of 
autonomous systems with levels of artificial intelligence while ensuring new systems 
meet ethical requirements.

Early production aircraft will not carry weapons, however Defence will gain an 
understanding of how weapons may be incorporated in the future, and how the system 
can meet all of Australia’s obligations under international law.

All MQ-28A Ghost Bat operations will comply with the same Laws of Armed Conflict, 
regulations, and standards that apply to crewed platforms.
Is the MQ-28A Ghost Bat safe?

Defence will take a risk-based approach to issuing operating permits and airworthiness 
certifications—as they do for a crewed platforms—including ensuring appropriate 
controls are in place should the aircraft face inflight emergencies.
What was the incident that occurred during testing in late 2021?

A landing incident occurred during a test flight at the Royal Australian Air Force 
Woomera Range Complex, South Australia, in late 2021. 

No personnel were injured as a result of this incident. 

Damage was sustained to the landing gear and airframe panels. The aircraft recovered 
under the control of a Boeing test pilot with no risk to safety of personnel, and the root 
cause of the incident has since been resolved.

Events like this are likely at this stage of development, and is why testing is conducted.
What comes next for the MQ-28A Ghost Bat?

To make an informed decision on the future of the Program, Defence continues to 
analyse capability maturity, and is developing concepts of operation with the crewed 
platforms the MQ-28A Ghost Bat is designed to team with. This is being conducted in 
collaboration with the United States.
Background 

Under DEF6014, Defence contracted Boeing Defence Australia to develop the 
MQ-28A Ghost Bat capability. 

Defence invested $40 million via DEF6014 Phase 1 in December 2018. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Senate Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000406
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 

A further $115 million was invested through DEF6014 Phase 1B for three aircraft 
and associated ground support services. 

In March 2022, Government approved $454 million to procure additional 
MQ-28A aircraft under DEF6014 Phase 2. 

Current approvals only cover material acquisition of the system. 

Whilst DEF6014 is heavily focussed on the aircraft, the MQ-28A Ghost Bat is much 
more than an aircraft. Its supporting elements are critical to the capability, including 
sensors, payloads, datalinks, behaviours and control architectures. That does not 
diminish the fact that development of the aircraft remains challenging.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice
Senate: 28 September 2022

QoN 837, MQ-28A Ghost Bat, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, South 
Australia) asked to be updated on the MQ-28A Ghost Bat Program, including project 
risks, opportunities to Industry and requested copies of any briefings and reports 
provided to the Government post 22 May 2022.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

The Deputy Prime Minister has regularly referenced ‘drones’ during public speeches 
and media statements. He doesn’t specifically / directly reference the 
MQ-28A Ghost Bat, Defence’s co-development program with Boeing Defence Australia, 
or collaboration with military partners.
Relevant Media Reporting 

Collaboration with the United States has been implied through media releases by the 
United States, although the extent of this collaboration is yet to be formally 
acknowledged.
Division:
Air Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000406
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Air Commodore Ross Bender,
Air Vice-Marshal Wendy Blyth
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Senate Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000406
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 
Director General Air Combat Capability
Head of Air Force Capability
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 27 April 2023
Date: 27 April 2023
Consultation:  Aerospace Systems Division
Date: 03 April 2023  
Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Sokha Sar, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Date: 1 May 2023
Finance, Air Force
Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by CFO / DSR:
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy Defence Strategic  Ph: s47E(d)
Review Task Force 
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 27 April 2023  
Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
28 September 2022

MQ-28A Ghost Bat
Senator Simon Birmingham 
Question
Senator BIRMINGHAM: What is the status of the production, ADF acquisition and 
implementation of the MQ-28 Ghost Bat program (Program)?
Senator BIRMINGHAM: What issues/risks have been identified with the Program during the 
current year?
 Senator BIRMINGHAM: What opportunities for Australian defence industry have been 
identified to further commercialise and apply technology, developed by the Program, or the 
MQ-28 itself, and what is the status of these opportunities?
Senator BIRMINGHAM: What briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and 
the Government, relating to these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Answer
Production of MQ-28A prototypes for testing has continued, as has development of the 
production system, tooling, and robotics at the Boeing site. Under DEF6014 Phase 2, Defence 
has committed to procure up to ten MQ-28A air vehicles and associated support systems. 
The DEF6014 Phase 2 program remains on track to deliver the contracted MQ-28A capability. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Senate Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000406
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Ghost Bat
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice-Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 21
 
The MQ-28 program will deliver substantial benefits to Australian industry with over 70% of 
the program value being Australian Industry Content. 
Defence routinely briefs the Government on this matter. The release of information 
regarding the MQ-28A Ghost Bat into the public domain may adversely affect Defence and 
commercial sensitivities. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman 
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Force Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000407
Last updated: 26 May 2023
         Civil Military Air Traffic Management System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul; Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 22

There have been significant and cumulative project delays due to:

Lengthy tender negotiations (2015-2018); and 

Thales’ slow progress during the Civil Military Air Traffic Management System 
integrated design and testing phases (2020-2022) over and above the COVID-19 
schedule impacts already agreed between the customer and Thales.
 Thales Australia has:

failed to deliver to schedule;

not completed critical elements of system design; and 

suffered from staff shortages in critical skills.
What was the timeline to announce the elevation of the project to the Project of Concern? 

In September 2021, Defence was advised that the Minister for Defence had provided 
written advice that the project should be elevated to a Project of Concern.

From October 2021, Defence undertook extensive consultation with Airservices 
Australia and the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and 
Communications regarding the imminent elevation of the project.

In April 2022, the Government of the day entered the caretaker period before the 
upcoming election.

In October 2022, the current Minister for Defence Industry considered the 
performance of the project and announced the project would be elevated to the 
Project of Concern list.

Between September 2021 and October 2022, to assist in remediation planning 
activities, Defence with Airservices increased the frequency of the Program’s quarterly 
senior governance committees to monthly. These committees included both the Joint 
Executive Committee, between Defence and Airservices, and the CMATS Executive 
Committee, which includes Defence, Airservices and Thales Australia. The project 
continued to receive additional executive oversight and management in accordance 
with Defence’s Projects of Concern and Interest processes, including reporting.
What is Defence doing to remediate the Project’s underperformance?
 Defence will be working closely with Airservices Australia and Thales Australia to address 
the issues that have resulted in the contractor’s inability to meet milestones to date.
 To assist in remediation planning activities, Defence, with Airservices, has increased the 
frequency of the Program’s senior governance committees, forums and one-on-one 
engagements to develop a credible schedule by end of April 2023, and costings and key 
performance indicators by June 2023.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Project Director AIR5431PH3
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Air Defence and Space Systems Division
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000407
Last updated: 26 May 2023
         Civil Military Air Traffic Management System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul; Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 22
 Release criteria for removal from the Projects of Concern is currently in development and 
will be guided by the outcomes of the schedule and cost activities being completed in 
Quarter two 2023.
Why would listing Civil Military Air Traffic Management System as a Project of Concern help 
remediate the project?
 The Projects of Concern framework is a proven and effective method to successfully 
remediate an underperforming project. 
 This is achieved by implementing an agreed plan to resolve any significant difficulties 
being faced, and increasing senior Industry and Defence management and Ministerial 
oversight.
 Intensive engagement will continue to ensure adequate oversight of the project and to 
get the project back on track. 
If pressed: What is the exit criteria for Civil Military Air Traffic Management System from the 
Projects of Concern list?
 While focus of the release criteria will be remediation of the Civil Military Air Traffic 
Management System issues, it will be extended to include all areas of the Project to 
ensure there is no other element of the project causing failure.
 This agreed release criteria will lay out a plan for what the enterprise must do to have the 
project removed from the Projects of Concern list. 

The specifics of the criteria are yet to be finalised based on the remediation 
decisions in Quarter two 2023; they will focus on achieving a demonstrated and 
sustained level of performance of the Project.
 Government and Defence have applied more regular and increased oversight on project 
delivery.
Background
 The joint AIR 5431 Phase 3/OneSKY Program is a collaboration between Airservices 
Australia and Defence to deliver a harmonised Civil Military Air Traffic Management 
System, supporting both civil and military operations. 
 The OneSKY Program will deliver the Thales Civil Military Air Traffic Management System 
solution to Defence at eight sites through the On Supply Agreement with Airservices 
Australia. 
 Airservices will also be delivering four, less complex, towers for Defence through the On 
Supply Agreement, using the same subcontractors being used to supply its Regional 
Tower Solution program. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Project Director AIR5431PH3
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Air Defence and Space Systems Division
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000407
Last updated: 26 May 2023
         Civil Military Air Traffic Management System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul; Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 22
 The Project will accommodate growth in air traffic, facilitate advancements in aviation 
technology, reduce complexity for controllers and pilots, bolster air traffic service 
resilience and enhance national security.
 Thales Australia is the prime contractor to Airservices Australia for the provision of the 
Civil Military Air Traffic Management System, with an On-Supply Agreement contract in 
place between Airservices Australia and Defence. 
 Defence does not have a direct contractual relationship with Thales Australia on this 
Project.
 The Minister for Defence Industry announced in October 2022 that Civil Military Air 
Traffic Management System had been listed as a Project of Concern due to ongoing 
contractor underperformance and schedule delays. 
 This Project was previously a Project of Concern from June 2017 to May 2018 during 
contract formation activities on the basis of schedule delays and cost risks, and was 
classed as a Project of Interest after acquisition and support contracts were signed in 
February 2018.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 85, Civil Military Air traffic Management System, Senator Nita Green (Labor, 
Queensland) asked has there been any changes to: 1. Scope 2. Cost 3. Schedule a. If 
yes, please provide details and the impact of any changes, and how these are being 
addressed. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

None identified.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Project Director AIR5431PH3
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Air Defence and Space Systems Division
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000407
Last updated: 26 May 2023
         Civil Military Air Traffic Management System
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul; Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Document 22
Division: 
Air Defence and Space Systems
PDR No: 
SB23-000407
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
s47E(d)
, Project 
Air Vice-Marshal David Scheul, Head Air 
Director AIR5431 Phase 3, Air Defence and 
Defence and Space Systems Division 
Space Systems Division
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 11  April 2023  
Date: 10 April 2023
Consultation:
Date: 03 April 2023  
Air Commodore David Titheridge, Director 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
General – Air Capability Enablers (Air Force), 
Air Force Headquarters
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 12 April 2023  
Chris Deeble, Deputy Secretary, Capability Acquisition 
and Sustainment Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates

Civil Military Air traffic Management System 
Senator Nita Green
Question
With respect to the Civil Military Air Traffic Management System, has there been any changes 
to: 1. Scope 2. Cost 3. Schedule a. If yes, please provide details and the impact of any 
changes, and how these are being addressed.
Answer
1. There has been no change of scope of the Civil Military Air Traffic Management System 
project (AIR5431 Phase 3). There have been some minor system solution changes as a result 
of updates to interfaces, such as radios; however, these have not changed the overall scope 
of the project.
2. The cost of the project remains unchanged. The current forecast cost of the project is 
within the budget of $1,010 million, which includes contingency of $148 million.
3. The schedule for the Defence Initial and Final Operating Capability delivery has slipped a 
total of 31 and 28 months respectively since contract signature in 2018, with two years of the 
slip being declared in the last two years. This has resulted in the Minister for Defence 
Industry announcing that the project has been listed as a Project of Concern on 
27 October 2022.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Chris Deeble
Position: Project Director AIR5431PH3
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Air Defence and Space Systems Division
Group/Service: Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 
Key Financial Measures 
(Price Basis – Budget figures provided are on March 2023-24 PBS Price Basis as at 31 March 2023)
Total Approved $16.456 billion
(including $2.804 billion contingency)
Project Budget 
Total Spend to Date $10.743 billion (30 June 
2022)
Total Year to Date Spend $742.141 million
Detailed Acquisition Measures
Life to Date Spend
$10.743 billion  (30 June 2022)
2022-23 Budget Estimate
$934.135 million
2022-23 Year to Date Expenditure
$742.141 million (31 March 2023)
2023-24 Budget Estimate
$870.034 million
Detailed Sustainment Measures (2022-23 Budget is at PBS October 2022 Prices)
2022-23 Budget Estimate 
$367 million
2022-23 Year to Date Expenditure 
$267 million (31 March 2023)
2023-24 Budget Estimate
$484 million
Talking Points
What has the money spent on F-35A given RAAF/Defence so far?

Australia has accepted 62 F-35A aircraft and associated support equipment.

Australia’s F-35A Integrated Training Centre has been delivered at RAAF Williamtown, 
where all training for Air Force and contracted F-35A personnel is conducted. It is the 
largest F-35 training facility outside the United States.

The F-35A building program under Project R8000, worth $1,700 million (including 
contingency) has been delivered. R8000 includes buildings, aircraft shelters, and 
upgraded aircraft runways and taxiways.

RAAF Base Williamtown - $1,050 million 

RAAF Base Tindal - $650 million
What is required for the F-35A to maintain its capability against the threat?

The F-35A is a leading edge combat capability. When packaged with other Joint and 
Partner military technologies, its full potential can be exploited. Maintaining this 
capability has three parts:

Preserving technical relevance – this will be achieved by maintaining through life 
system upgrades and modifications via the Project AIR6000 Phase 6, with 
complementary investments in F-35 weapons. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 

Building capacity – continue maturing the F-35A logistics and support 
infrastructure to grow the operational capacity of the F-35A force.

Continued development of the human capability – ongoing development of the 
knowledge, skills and experience of the F-35A technical, supporting and pilot 
workforce through operationally relevant training activities.
Is F-35A on track for Final Operational Capability in 2023?

Air Force continues to monitor the delivery and realisation of F-35A capabilities. 
Acceptance of the final tranche of aircraft, acquired under the Project AIR6000 Ph2A/B, 
is scheduled for December 2023. Air Force will continue to work with the F-35 Joint 
Program Office to manage any risks to the delivery schedule as delays may impact 
aircraft delivery and, subsequently, Final Operational Capability realisation. 
What is the state of the F-35A workforce?

Air Force faces challenges across workforce attraction, generation and retention. 
Although most of the F-35A workforce has successfully transitioned from the 
F/A-18A Classic Hornet capability to F-35A, there are shortages across the technical, 
support and pilot workforces.
Is Australian F-35A sustainment affordable?

F-35A sustainment is affordable. The revised cost estimates remain within the overall 
funding allocation.

Defence recently received Government approval for the next seven-year tranche 
(FY2025-26 to FY2031-32) of F-35A sustainment funding totalling $4,765 million based 
on revised cost estimates.

With more than eight-years of operations, and more than 22,000 flying hours achieved, 
Australia’s sustainment estimates have proven accurate and remain aligned with the 
approved sustainment budget.
How is Australia’s involvement in the global F-35 Program helping Australian Industry?

More than 70 Australian companies have shared in excess of $3 billion (as of 31 
December 2022) worth of contracts as part of the global F-35 Program, an increase on 
the 2020 figure of $2,700 million.

Funding for the new Joint Strike Fighter Industry Support Program recently increased 
from $4 million at the launch of the program in December 2020, to $64 million.

An additional $36.4 million of funding was secured from Phase 2A/B approved scope to 
support component sustainment activation costs through Government furnished 
equipment and contracted services. The new funding will help Australian companies 
develop new and improved capabilities that will enhance their chances of securing 
contracts in the global F-35 Program.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 
DSR Recommendations for F-35A

The Defence Strategic Review recommends the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile and Joint 
Strike Missile should be integrated onto the F-35A.

Defence is working with the United States F-35 Lightning II Joint Program Office to 
investigate the integration of the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile onto the F-35A Lighting 
II. Defence is also working with the F-35 Lightning II Joint Program Office, the United 
States and Norway to investigate the integration of the Joint Strike Missile onto the F-
35A Lighting II. Both these capabilities will require the F-35A Block 4 hardware and 
software configuration. 
Background 

Initial Operating Capability, declared on 28 December 2020, was defined as one 
operationally ready squadron and one unit providing a sovereign training capability.

Final Operating Capability, defined as three operational squadrons and one training 
unit, capable of sustained deployed operations, is scheduled for December 2023.

The number of trained F-35A pilots meets interim project milestones; however, future 
milestones are trending below planned numbers. Pilot training improvements are being 
investigated across Air Force.

Over the next five years, and through the routine Defence Capability Assessment 
Program, Defence will seek Government approval of the remaining AIR6000 projects.

Since 2019, the Australian F-35A has participated in 17 exercises in Australia and 
16 exercises overseas where introduction into service testing was completed. 

The average cost of Australia’s first 63 aircraft (airframe and engine, excluding mission 
systems) is USD $84 million. The following table details the cost of aircraft by Lot.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 
Lot
Number of aircraft / Status
Average cost per Lot
Low Rate Initial Production 6 
Two aircraft contracted and 
USD $123 million
(delivery year 2014)
delivered
Low Rate Initial Production 10 
Eight aircraft contracted and 
USD $95 million
(delivery year 2018)
delivered
Low Rate Initial Production 11 
Eight aircraft contracted and 
USD $91 million
(delivery year 2019)
delivered
Lot 12 (delivery year 2020)
15 aircraft contracted and delivered
USD $81 million
Lot 13 (delivery year 2021)
15 aircraft contracted and delivered
USD $79 million
Lot 14 (delivery year 2022)
15 aircraft, delivery under way
USD $78 million
Lot 15 (delivery year 2023)
Nine aircraft on contract
USD $83 million
Lot 15 contract details announced in the US

The cost of Australia’s remaining nine aircraft to be delivered under production Lot 15 
has slightly increased when compared to Lots 12–14. This reflects both global 
inflationary pressures and a substantial increase in software and hardware capabilities 
over previous Lots. 
F-35 accidents

To-date, Air Force has been immediately notified of F-35 accidents and been able to 
make informed decisions on Australian F-35A operations. It is not appropriate for 
Air Force to publically share accident findings relating to other F-35 nations. 

Defence is aware that, in response to a United States F-35B crash at Lockheed Martin’s 
Fort Worth facility on 15 December 2022, the F-35 Joint Program Office suspended 
new F135 engine deliveries and provided engineering risk advice to F-35 users. 

Air Force made a precautionary decision to pause flying 16 F-35A aircraft, which did not 
impact F-35A combat capability. 

The modification rectifying the issue has been incorporated on the production line and 
aircraft deliveries have resumed.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 30 March 2023, The Drive published an article titled F-35 Engine Running Too Hot 
Due To 'Under-Speccing,' Upgrade Now Vital. Journalist, Joseph Trevithick, reported 
that the U.S. military sees planned engine upgrades for all the variants of the F-35 Joint 
Strike Fighter as critical. 

In March 2023, BNN Bloomberg published an article titled Pentagon Says Only Half of 
Its F-35 Jet Fleet Is Mission-Ready reporting that only about half of the Pentagon’s fleet 
of F-35 fighter jets are considered mission-capable, well below the target of 65 per 
cent and a state of readiness the program manager terms “unacceptable.”

On 28 March 2023, Aviation Week published an article titled Kendall: F135 Upgrade 
The Only Option For All F-35 Variants. Journalist, Brian Everstine, reported while the 
U.S. Air Force would have wanted other services to help shoulder the cost of a full 
engine replacement for all variants of the Lockheed Martin F-35, it simply was not 
possible.

On 6 March 2023, Breaking Defense published an article titled Pentagon, Pratt finalize 
F-35 lot 15-17 engine deal. Journalist, Michael Marrow, reported that the agreement 
between the F-35 Joint Program Office and Pratt & Whitney for F135 engines started as 
an undefinitized contract action in June 2022. The total value could reach as high as $8 
billion.

On 7 March 2023, Defense News published an article titled Lockheed Martin resumes 
F-35 flights with engine vibration fix in hand. Journalist, Stephen Losey, reported that 
Lockheed Martin resumed conducting acceptance flights of newly built F-35 Joint Strike 
Fighters, nearly three months after an engine problem grounded new jets and halted 
deliveries.

On 7 September 2022, Breaking Defense published an article titled F-35 deliveries 
suspended after finding Chinese alloys in magnets. Journalist, Valerie Insinna, reported 
that the Pentagon temporarily stopped F-35 deliveries after officials discovered that an 
alloy used in magnets on the jet’s turbomachine pumps was produced in China. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000199
Last updated: 10 May 2023
F-35A Joint Strike Fighter
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Air Vice Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 23
 

International media have reported on the grounding of numerous newer F-35 Lighting 
II in response to the December 15 incident in which a hovering fighter crashed on a 
Texas runway and its pilot ejected. 
Division:
Air Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000199
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Air Commodore Ross Bender,
Air Vice-Marshal Wendy Blyth
Director General Air Combat Capability
Head of Air Force Capability
Mob: s22
Mob: s22
Date: 01 May 2023
Date: 05 May 2023
Consultation:  Capability Acquisition and 
Date:  01 May 2023 
Sustainment Group
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Air Vice-Marshal Leon Philips, Head of 
Aerospace Systems Division
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date:  19 April 2022
Sokha Sar,
Acting Assistant Secretary Finance – Air Force
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date:: 10 May 2023
Air Marshal Robert Chipman, Chief of Air Force
Air Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Air Commodore Ross Bender
Name: Air Marshal Robert Chipman
Position: Director General Air Combat Capability
Position: Chief of Air Force
Division: Air Combat Capability
Group/Service: Air Force
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000408
Last updated: 24 May 2023
    AUKUS Advanced Capabilities
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 24

Development of advanced undersea intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance 
systems will be accelerated to help enhance shared maritime domain awareness. 

AUKUS partners share a collective ambition to improve industry cooperation and 
information sharing under Pillar II by:

boosting targeted industry and academic engagement within and across our 
national eco-systems;

breaking down barriers to intellectual property transfer; and

encouraging domestic manufacturing and maintenance of key weapons, 
technologies, and capabilities.

The six key areas chosen for Pillar II; undersea warfare, electronic warfare, hypersonics 
and counter-hypersonics, advanced cyber, quantum technologies and artificial 
intelligence, are those that will make the most significant contribution to future war 
fighting by:

helping build resilience and increasing survivability for our war fighters, for 
example through increased autonomy;

conveying and protecting critical information during operations to enhance 
decision making; and 

enabling Australia to operate seamlessly with allies and partners. 
If pressed: Defence Strategic Review implications for AUKUS Pillar II

As part of AUKUS Pillar II Advanced Capabilities, the Government has agreed the 
development of selected critical technology should be prioritised.

As agreed by Government, a new senior official with the sole responsibility and singular 
focus on AUKUS Pillar II Advanced Capabilities implementation will be appointed to 
enable expedited focus on capability outcomes.

The creation of the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator (ASCA) will help turbo-
charge Australia’s contributions to Pillar II.

ASCA missions could be established to help accelerate discrete AUKUS Advanced 
Capabilities lines of effort that require an innovative solution [Refer to DSTG for further 
questions relating to ASCA refer to SB23-000416 ].
If pressed: Has Defence identified the senior official?

Recruiting is currently underway.
If pressed: How will AUKUS Pillar II be funded?

Defence has funded the initial costs of Pillar 2 lines of effort from within existing 
resources. 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000408
Last updated: 24 May 2023
    AUKUS Advanced Capabilities
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 24

The long-term costs will be considered as part of Defence Strategic Review 
implementation.
If pressed: Did the Prime Minister and US President discuss Pillar Two during their meeting in 
the margins of the G7?

I cannot comment on the nature of discussions between the Prime Minister and the US 
President in the margins of the G7; however, AUKUS Pillar II remains a key priority for 
both leaders.
If pressed: Additional Partners

Australia, the United Kingdom and United States are focused on entrenching a 
sustainable trilateral partnership that meets the strategic needs of the three nations.

At this stage no countries have been invited to participate. 
If pressed: Does AUKUS commit Australia to support the United States in a conflict with China 
over Taiwan?

No. The Deputy Prime Minister has been unequivocal on this matter. This undertaking 
was never given, and nor was it sought, by the United States.

Decisions about the employment of military capability will always be a decision, at that 
time, for the Government of the day.
If pressed: Will AUKUS impact Australia’s sovereignty? 

Defence capability is a key factor in sovereignty. It does not define sovereignty.

Partnerships like AUKUS expand our strategic options, make us less vulnerable to 
coercive action, and enable Australia to pursue national security interests far beyond 
what we could achieve alone. 
If pressed: Why were the six capability areas chosen? 

The six capability areas were selected after a comprehensive trilateral assessment and 
consultation process.

The assessment process involved a robust study of potential initiatives, focusing 
on their alignment with Defence’s strategic objectives, capability requirements, 
and their suitability for trilateral cooperation.
If pressed: What does AUKUS mean for our partners in the region? 

The Association of Southeast Asian Nations and its security architecture remains central 
to Australia’s engagement in the Indo-Pacific.

AUKUS complements this and other international partnerships – the Five Eyes, 
the Quad, the Five Power Defence Arrangements, and Australia’s deep and close ties 
with the Pacific family.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000408
Last updated: 24 May 2023
    AUKUS Advanced Capabilities
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 24
If pressed: What role will Australian defence industry and academia play?

Defence recognises that defence industry and academia will be a critical enabler for 
delivering these capabilities.

The Deputy Prime Minister and his counterparts agreed to intensify engagement 
with industry academia in 2023 (AUKUS Defence Ministers’ Meeting – 
07 December 2022)
Background 

AUKUS is a framework that will allow Defence to better share leading-edge military 
technology and capabilities to ensure Australia remains a reliable and highly capable 
partner for countries in the Indo-Pacific region.

The first AUKUS Defence Ministers’ Meeting was held on 07 December 2022 in 
Washington. AUKUS Defence Ministers noted the strong progress to date, and 
announced further details on Advanced Capabilities cooperation.

This included the catalysing role that recent exercises have played in testing 
advanced capabilities and agreeing to demonstrations of hypersonic and 
autonomous systems over the next 18 months (2023-24).

This built on the April 2022 Leaders’ Statement that announced the AUKUS 
Undersea Robotics Autonomous Systems and the AUKUS Quantum Arrangement.

On 09 December 2022, at a speech in Japan at the Sasakawa Peace Foundation, the 
Deputy Prime Minister noted his intent to grow defence industry integration with Japan 
bilaterally and, when ready, via AUKUS Advanced Capabilities.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Senate Estimates: 09 November 2022

QoN 26, AUKUS workforce allocations, Senator James Paterson (Liberal, Victoria) asked 
about the number of APS officers and consultants working on AUKUS Advanced 
Capabilities.

QoN 45, AUKUS, Senator Jim Molan (Liberal, New South Wales) asked about the 
continuation of AUKUS under the Albanese Government - governance, objectives and 
resourcing.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000408
Last updated: 24 May 2023
    AUKUS Advanced Capabilities
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 24
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 17 May 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister delivered a wide-ranging speech to the 
American Chamber of Commerce in Australia, including that “the creation of ASCA will 
turbo-charge Australia’s contributions to pillar two of AUKUS”. 

On 24 April 2023, at a press conference following the release of the Defence Strategic 
Review, the Deputy Prime Minister stated it was a priority “to provide for a much 
quicker transition of new, innovative technologies into service… particularly with 
respect to operationalising pillar two of the AUKUS arrangement.”

On 09 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister delivered a speech on securing 
Australia’s sovereignty which included references to AUKUS as promoting and 
strengthening our sovereignty.

On 09 December 2022, at the Sasakawa Peace Foundation Speech, the Deputy Prime 
Minister said his intent was to, “grow defence industry integration with Japan: 
bilaterally through our trilateral mechanisms with the United States and, when ready, 
via our advanced capabilities work in AUKUS as well.” For the first time Japan’s 
potential future involvement in AUKUS was articulated. 
Relevant Media Reporting

Australian media has reported extensively on comments made by New Zealand 
Defence Minister Andrew Little that New Zealand is considering an invitation to join 
AUKUS Pillar II.
Division:
Strategic Policy Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000408
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Colin McKenna, Assistant Secretary, AUKUS 
Amanda Toms, Acting First Assistant 
Initiatives Branch, Strategic Policy Division
Secretary, Strategic Policy Division
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 23 May 2023
Date: 24 May 2023  
Cleared by DSR: 
Date: 01 May 2023
Major General Christopher Field
Ph: s47E(d)
Deputy DSR Task Force – ADF Integration
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 24 May 2023
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary
Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
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Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000408
Last updated: 24 May 2023
    AUKUS Advanced Capabilities
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Question 26 (09 November 2022)

AUKUS Workforce Allocations
Senator James Patterson
Question
Senator PATERSON: How many departmental staff have been allocated to work on AUKUS?
Vice Adm. Mead: I will speak specifically on the Nuclear Powered Submarine Program. As you 
know, there is another pillar, pillar 2, on advanced capabilities.
Senator PATERSON: I am interested in those answers, but I am also interested in the other 
non-submarine components of AUKUS. You answer, but then anyone can add to that, please.
Vice Adm. Mead: In the submarine area there are currently 343 people associated with the 
task force. They are not entirely Department of Defence people; we have a number of 
cross-agency. It's a whole-of-government task force from Attorney-General's Department, 
Prime Minister and Cabinet, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Education and also the 
other nuclear agencies: the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation; the 
Australian regulatory organisation, ARPANSA; the waste organisation; and a number of other 
government bodies.
Senator PATERSON: Thank you. Does anyone have an answer on the total?
Mr Jeffrey: The Strategy, Policy and Industry Group has carriage of AUKUS Pillar 2—that is, 
advanced capabilities—in the Department of Defence. The specific numbers, though, are 
more difficult to isolate because there's not a specific task force. You have the whole group 
and, in addition to me, AUKUS sits within Strategic Policy Division, and within that there's a 
branch that has specific carriage of ensuring that we're preparing for trilateral meetings of 
the advanced capabilities group. But, of course, advanced capabilities cut across a whole 
range of different areas in the Department of Defence. So, in taking this work forward, 
Senator, I engage very closely with the vice chiefs of defence forces group, I engage closely 
with the Chief Defence Scientist and her group and, indeed, I engage with all the capability 
managers who would take these items forward.
Senator PATERSON: Thank you for that context. I appreciate it's not a simple answer. Perhaps 
you could come back on notice with your best estimate of the Average Staffing Level working 
on it.
Mr Jeffrey: I'd be happy to do so.
Senator PATERSON: Thank you. I'm also interested—and perhaps taking this on notice is 
going to be a more efficient use of our time—in the number of consultants working on it who 
are external to APS, who've been brought in.
Mr Jeffrey: With respect to pillar 2, we have not brought in any consultants at this point.
Senator PATERSON: Okay.
Vice Adm. Mead: Senator, we can get you a list of consultants that we have engaged with 
over the past 13 months.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
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Answer
The AUKUS Initiatives Branch, which engages closely with stakeholders across the Defence 
portfolio and Government to identify and implement trilaterally-agreed advanced capabilities 
lines of effort, has an Average Staffing Level allocation of 14 ongoing Australian Public Service 
officers. Support for advanced capabilities lines of effort from capability managers and other 
Defence stakeholders, including the Defence Science and Technology Group and Vice Chief of 
the Defence Force Group, is provided utilising existing resources.
Consultants the Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce has engaged with over the past 
13 months:

Bectech

Brinny Deep LLC

Burdeshaw Associates LLC 

Delen Consulting Pty Ltd

Deloitte Consulting Pty Ltd

Elysium

Frazer-Nash Consultancy

Gibbs & Cox (Australia) Pty Ltd

Gilding Consulting

Human Performance Engineering

Power Initiatives

Nous Group Pty Ltd

Neil Orme Consulting

PriceWaterhouseCoopers Consulting

Siyeva Consulting

Trautman International Services, LL

The Boston Consulting Group Pty Ltd

The Rand Corporation (Australia)

Wilson Psychology Pty Ltd
Senate Question 45 (09 November 2022)
Continuation of AUKUS under the Albanese Government
Senator Jim Molan
Question 
1. What involvement has the Department of Defence (Department) had in the ongoing 
governance of Australia’s relationship and contribution to AUKUS?
a. How many Departmental staff have been allocated to work on AUKUS?
b. Have additional staff been hired to work on AUKUS, or is it staffed by existing workforce?
c. What level of external (non-APS) consultant and other resourcing has been procured by the 
Department to support AUKUS?
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
Document 24
d. What costs have been associated with the Department’s involvement in AUKUS 
governance, outcomes and other priorities?
e. How many meetings, workshops and other engagements have been attended by 
Departmental staff (APS and external consultants) in relation to AUKUS?
2. Which AUKUS priorities, tasks, ongoing actions and other commitments have 
Departmental staff and consultants been involved with, and what have been the related costs 
and expenses (including travel and related expenses) involved? Please provide details
3. Please provide details of which trilateral joint steering groups and other working groups 
and committees Departmental staff have been involved with, including whether as members 
or observers.
4. Have there been any changes to AUKUS terms of reference or agreement, or any of the 
terms of reference or charters or other governing documents for any of the trilateral joint 
steering groups or other working groups implementing AUKUS?
a. Please provide details
b. Why have changes been made, and were changes prompted by Australia, the 
United Kingdom or the United States?
c. What change of personnel has occurred since 22 May 2022 associated with any working 
groups?
d. What consideration has been given to the worsening strategic environment Australia 
faces?
5. Have there been any new AUKUS steering groups or working groups established since 22 
May 2022?
6. Have any AUKUS steering groups or working groups been discontinued since 22 May 2022?
7. Have any of the outcomes or objectives of AUKUS been changed or removed, or new 
outcomes or objectives added?
a. Please provide details
b. Why have changes been made, and were changes prompted by Australia, the United 
Kingdom or the United States?
c. What consideration has been given to the worsening strategic environment Australia 
faces?
8. What role is the Department playing in advising on or assisting Australia and its AUKUS 
partners to ensure that regulations within the United States, United Kingdom and Australia 
do not hinder the implementation of AUKUS priorities and outcomes (eg. International Traffic 
in Arms Regulations and export control regulations in the United States)? Please provide 
details.
9. Are there any risk registers or reports on the risks and constraints that have been 
identified for any aspects of implementing AUKUS, if yes, have any of the AUKUS 
workstreams/steering groups/working groups identified any risks or barriers to progress (eg. 
risks of unanticipated costs and timing delays to achieve outcomes)? Please provide details
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
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10. Has the Secretary been briefed by the Department, or by the Department of Prime 
Minister & Cabinet or the Department of Foreign Affairs & Trade, on any aspect of AUKUS 
since 22 May 2022?
a. Have any material risks been identified in any such briefs?
b. What advice or recommendations have been provided to address those risks?
c. Please provide details
11. Has the Minister for Defence been briefed on any of the foregoing relating to AUKUS, by 
the Department, or by the Prime Minister, the Minister for Foreign Affairs (or any other 
Minister of the Government)?
a. Have any material risks been identified in any such briefs?
b. What advice or recommendations have been provided to address those risks?
c. Please provide details
12. What briefs and correspondence have been sent by, or received by, the Minister for 
Defence, the Secretary, or the Department from government/administration Ministers, 
Secretaries or other senior officials from the United States or United Kingdom? Please 
provide details.
13. Please provide details of any reports or briefings received by the Minister for Defence, or 
the Secretary, relating to progress of AUKUS initiatives, and if any delays or additional costs 
associated with progress have been identified.
14. Given the rapidly worsening strategic environment Australia is facing, what is the 
Department’s strategic plan to secure Australia, its people and its interests, through AUKUS, 
and other initiatives? Please provide details.
Answer
There are two pillars of the AUKUS partnership – nuclear-powered submarines and advanced 
capabilities – with separate governance arrangements both within the Department of 
Defence and trilaterally. Classified Memorandum of Understanding outline governance and 
objectives for each pillar. These Memorandums of Understanding have not changed. 
The Nuclear Powered Submarine Joint Steering Group has met on ten occasions (five in 
person; five virtual). In addition to the Joint Steering Group, nine working groups have been 
established covering strategy and policy; workforce and training; program and trilateral 
contributions; capability requirements and interoperability; stewardship; security; industrial 
base; technical base; non-proliferation and safeguards and communications. These working 
groups meet regularly to identify the optimal pathway for Australia to acquire nuclear-
powered submarines.
The Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce works closely with our AUKUS partners, 
Australian nuclear agencies and stakeholders across the Defence portfolio and Government. 
The Taskforce includes secondees from the Departments of the Prime Minister and Cabinet; 
Foreign Affairs and Trade; Attorney Generals and Education. In addition, there are secondees 
from the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, Australian Nuclear Science and 
Technology Organisation, Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency, and the 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Key witnesses: Hugh Jeffrey; Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead
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Australian Radioactive Waste Agency. As at 7 November 2022, the Taskforce had a workforce 
that included 202 Australian Public Service (APS) officers and 73 Australian Defence Force 
members. The Taskforce has also engaged experts to assist with analysis of the optimal 
pathway. 
The AUKUS Initiatives Branch within the Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group coordinates 
Australia’s involvement in the Advanced Capabilities Pillar of AUKUS. This includes working 
closely with stakeholders across the Defence portfolio and Government to identify and 
implement trilaterally-agreed lines of effort. The AUKUS Initiatives Branch consists of 14 
ongoing APS officers. Support from capability managers and other Defence stakeholders, 
including the Defence Science and Technology Group and Vice Chief of the Defence Group, is 
provided utilising existing resources.
The AUKUS Advanced Capabilities Joint Steering Group has met on nine occasions 
(five in-person; four virtual). In addition to the Joint Steering Group, eight working groups 
have been established covering each of the six capability areas of focus (hypersonic and 
counter-hypersonic, advanced cyber, undersea warfare, electronic warfare, artificial 
intelligence and autonomy, and quantum technologies) and two enabling areas (information 
sharing and innovation). These working groups meet regularly to progress lines of effort.
Defence routinely briefs Ministers, Government and senior departmental officials on both 
pillars of AUKUS, including regarding risks and opportunities. These briefs contain sensitive 
material that may adversely impact Defence, if released publicly.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Colin McKenna
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary, AUKUS Initiatives
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy Division 
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  M: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 

On 8 May 2023, Air Marshal Phillips commenced his role. 
Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise 

The Government has committed $2.5 billion over the forward estimates to accelerate 
the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise.

This investment will include funding for:

Manufacturing guided weapons and their critical components, to improve 
Australia’s self-reliance, including the development of options for Government 
consideration by Q2, 2024. 

Manufacturing of selected long-range strike missiles and increased local 
maintenance of air defence missiles; and 

Manufacturing of other types of munitions, including 155mm artillery 
ammunition and sea mines.

Critical enablers required to underpin an expanded Guided Weapons and 
Explosive Ordnance Enterprise, including increasing testing and research 
capabilities and rapidly expanding the storage and distribution network to 
accommodate a growing guided weapons and explosive ordnance inventory; and

Acquisition of more guided weapons to supplement other Defence weapons 
acquisitions programs.

The longer term funding profile for the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Enterprise will be determined as part of the Defence Strategic Review implementation 
process.
Investment in the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise

The Government has committed $2.5 billion over the forward estimates to accelerate 
the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise, an increase of more than 
$1.5 billion. 

The previous Integrated Investment Program allocation for the Guided Weapons and 
Explosive Ordnance Enterprise over the Forward Estimates was less than $1 billion.  

The 2020 Force Structure Plan included a provision of approximately $36.7 billion for 
the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise (including $9.0 billion 
contingency and exchange rate adjustments). 

Less than 10 per cent of this funding was previously programmed for the 2020s, 
and less than $1 billion was programmed for the forward estimates.

$537.1 million (including $67.6 million contingency) has been approved to date:

$339.34 million to purchase of priority weapons including:

BLU-111 Aerial Bomb;
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
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Mk-48 Heavyweight Torpedoes;

Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM); and

Hellfire Air-to-Ground Missiles.

$17.37 million for activities conducted by the Defence Science and Technology 
Group.

$43.50 million for Joint Project 2093 Phase 1 GWEO Storage Tranche 1 to build 
three Earth Covered Buildings.

$36.15 million for Lockheed Martin Australia to undertake detailed planning for 
the Guided Weapons Production Capability (GWPC).

$105.88 million for tasking Strategic and Enterprise Partners, capability 
development activities and contracted workforce.
Investment in Long Range Strike Capabilities

The ADF delivers long range strike capabilities through joint effects. All of the systems 
in-service and being acquired are designed to enable joint capability effects to meet a 
comprehensive range of threat profiles.

The Government is also committing $1.6 billion over the forward estimates for Army 
Long Range Strike capabilities.

This investment will grow the ADF’s ability to accurately strike targets at longer-range 
and expand the acquisition of long-range fires, including: 

Accelerating the delivery of additional High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and 
associated battle management and support systems; and 

Accelerating the acquisition of Precision Strike Missiles to deliver multi-domain 
strike effects.
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Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Last updated: 17 May 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
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Long Range Strike

In effecting our strategy of denial in Australia’s northern approaches, the ADF’s 
operational success will depend on the ability of the Integrated Force to apply critical 
capabilities, including an enhanced long-range strike capability in all domains.

The ADF does not operate within single domains. All of the systems in-service and being 
acquired are designed to enable joint capability effects to meet a comprehensive range 
of threat profiles.

Air Force delivers long-range munitions through a range of different effects. Current 
munitions include Joint Stand-off Weapon. Air Force is enhancing its long-range 
munitions capability through acquisition of Joint Air to Surface Stand-off Missile – 
Extended Range and the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile.

Navy has strike capabilities across land, sea and air. Current munitions include the 
Heavy Weight Torpedo and the Standard Missile.  Navy is enhancing its strike 
capabilities through the acquisition of the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, the Naval Strike 
Missile and Sea Mines. 

Army’s longest range in-service capability is based on its artillery capability. Army is 
enhancing its strike capabilities through the acquisition of HIMARS, the Artillery Tactical 
Missile System and is participating in development of the Precision Strike Missile.
Domestic Manufacturing 

The Defence Strategic Review recommends options for the increase of guided weapons 
and explosive ordnance stocks, including the rapid establishment of domestic 
manufacturing. The Government has agreed to this recommendation and should be 
provided to Government by the second quarter of 2024. 

Defence is currently working with industry partners, including its Strategic Partners, 
Lockheed Martin Australia and Raytheon Australia, to develop detailed and costed 
plans for domestic manufacture of guided weapons and explosive ordnance. 
 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
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Industry Partners

The Government is working in close collaboration with industry. Defence has developed 
an industry partnership model that includes Strategic Partners and Guided Weapons 
and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Partners.

In April 2022, Raytheon Australia and Lockheed Martin Australia were formally 
announced as the initial Strategic Partners of the Guided Weapons and Explosive 
Ordnance Enterprise.

The Strategic Partners and their United States parent companies are working with 
Defence to develop detailed, costed plans for manufacturing guided weapons and their 
components in Australia. 

Defence has also established a Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise 
Partner Panel comprised of solely Australian owned and controlled entities to help 
develop and deliver the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise. 

The initial Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Partners are:

Aurecon, which has strong capabilities in infrastructure design and development 
(commenced August 2022); and

The Australian Missile Corporation (commenced September 2022).
United States Engagement

Support and assistance from the United States is critical to the success of the Guided 
Weapons and Explosive Ordnance.

The United States reaffirmed its support for the Guided Weapons and Explosive 
Ordnance Enterprise at the Australian-United States Ministerial Forum 2022.

It has committed to working with Australia to increase the level of maintenance, 
repair and the overhaul of priority munitions undertaken in Australia. 
If pressed: The Defence Strategic Review says there has been ‘little material gain two years 
after [the Enterprise’s] establishment’. What has been achieved over past year? Why is 
progress so slow?

Until now, the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise has lacked the 
necessary resources to accelerate.

The provision of $2.5 billion over the forward estimates now enables Defence to 
develop a comprehensive plan for accelerated domestic manufacturing of guided 
weapons.

Despite the limited funding for the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Enterprise over the past two years, Defence has:
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
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Pursued the accelerated acquisition of a range of guided weapons including Joint 
Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles – Extended Range long range strike missiles, 
Kongsberg Naval Strike Missiles and sea mines;

Received approval from the United States Government for:

16 March 2023 – up to 200 Tomahawk Block V All Up Rounds (RGM-109E), 
and up to 20 Tomahawk Block IV All Up Rounds (RGM-109E);

07 March 2023 – up to 255 Javelin FGM-148F missiles; and

27 February 2023 – up to 63 Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missiles-
Extended Range, and up to 20 Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missiles – 
Extended Range Captive Air Training Missiles. 

Commissioned domestic production of BLU-111 500lb high explosive aircraft 
bombs; 

Acquired a new Resonant Acoustic Mixer to enable faster, safer high explosive 
manufacturing and, in due course, rocket motor manufacturing, at the 
Commonwealth-owned munitions factory at Mulwala;

Established a new 155mm projectile large calibre filling capability under United 
States licencing at the Benalla munitions factory;

Opened a new missile maintenance facility at Orchard Hills in Sydney;

Opened the Australian Hypersonics Research Precinct at Eagle Farm in Brisbane;

Begun construction of additional explosive ordnance storage and distribution 
infrastructure across existing explosive ordnance depots; and

Refurbished the explosive ordnance handling wharf at Point Wilson, Victoria. 
If pressed: The Deputy Prime Minister has said Australia will be manufacturing guided 
weapons within ‘a couple of years’. How does he know this if Defence is still working on the 
plans for domestic manufacturing?  

We are working with industry to develop detailed, costed plans for manufacturing a 
number of selected weapons in Australia.

Initial high-level planning has already confirmed the feasibility of manufacturing some 
guided weapons within two years. 
If pressed: Is Defence adhering to the estimated $40 billion in local production and export or 
the potential to create 2,000 jobs?

As explicitly stated in the previous Government’s initial announcement of 
31 March 2021, the figures of $40 billion and 2,000 jobs were based on industry 
estimates. Defence has not attempted to independently validate these figures.
If pressed: When can we expect an announcement of Sovereign Missile Alliance as a Guided 
Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Partner?
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 

Negotiations with Sovereign Missile Alliance are confidential and ongoing. 
If pressed: Is Defence working with Lockheed Martin Australia to deliver Guided Multiple 
Launch Rocket Systems in Australia? 

Defence, in collaboration with Lockheed Martin Australia, is developing a detailed and 
costed plan for manufacturing Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems missiles in 
Australia.

If the detailed planning confirms that manufacturing Guided Multiple Launch Rocket 
System is feasible and affordable, it will be the first step towards building more 
advanced missiles in Australia, with increasing levels of Australian content.
If pressed: Black Sky has commenced production of Ammonium Perchlorate. Is Defence 
working with Black Sky on this capability?

Ammonium Perchlorate is one of many critical components that contributes to the 
manufacturing of guided weapons.

Defence is working with industry partners to assess the opportunities and costs of 
manufacturing a range of guided weapons components in Australia, including 
Ammonium Perchlorate. 
If pressed: What is Australia contributing in regards to energetics to Ukraine and United 
States posturing? 

The Deputy Prime Minister announced a joint supply agreement with France of 155mm 
artillery ammunition to Ukraine. Defence is currently finalising the agreement with the 
French Government. 

France currently employs a different European 155mm product type to Australia. 
Australia will most likely provide high explosives worth around $40 million over the next 
three years as part of its contribution. 

Defence has also received interest from the United States to purchase a significant 
volume of high explosives on a regular basis. Analysis is currently underway to 
determine what volume Australia could potentially supply while still supporting its own 
ADF requirements.
Timeline of Significant Events
Date
Action
05 May 2023
Air Marshal Leon Phillips was appointed as the Chief of the Guided 
Weapons and Explosive Ordnance to lead the new Guided Weapons 
and Explosive Ordnance Group, commencing 8 May 2023.
24 April 2023
 2023 Defence Strategic Review released.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
Date
Action
28 February 2023
Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Presentation at 
Avalon Airshow.
02 December 2022 Lockheed Martin Australia signed Deed of Agreement. 
29 November 2022 Raytheon Australia signed Deed of Agreement. 
05 October 2022
Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Industry 
Presentation at Land Forces.
15 September 2022 Australian Missile Corporation appointed to the Guided Weapons 
and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Partner Panel and announced as 
a Guided Weapons Explosive Ordnance Enterprise Partner.
31 August 2022
Aurecon announced as the inaugural Guided Weapons and Explosive 
Ordnance Enterprise Partner.
13 July 2022
Aurecon appointed to the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Enterprise Partner Panel.
05 April 2022
The Navy Guided Weapons Maintenance Facility opened and initial 
Strategic Partners announced – Raytheon Australia and. Lockheed 
Martin Australia. 
25 January 2022
Former Minister for Defence officially opened the Australian 
Hypersonics Research Precinct in Brisbane. 
12 July 2021
Defence released a Request for Information to Industry through 
AusTender which closed on 2 August 2021. A total of 135 responses 
were received from industry and academia.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 5, Guided weapons contract, Senator Nita Green (Labor, Queensland) asked for 
the timeline around deed signature for Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Enterprise Strategic Partners. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 5 May 2023, Australian Manufacturing published an article titled, Leon Phillips 
named as Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance’s inaugural chief.

On 2 May 2023, Australian Defence Magazine published an article titled, Black Sky 
achieves local production of rocket fuel component. The article discussed Black Sky 
Aerospace’s pilot program to produce ammonium perchlorate.

On 27 April 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Guided missile production 
‘within two years’ despite another review after the release of the Defence Strategy 
Review. The article reported that the Deputy Prime Minister was confident Australia 
could produce missiles in the next two years.

On 27 April 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Guided missile production 
‘within two years'. The article reported on Australia’s ability to produce missiles within 
the next two years.

On 26 April 2023, The Australian published an article titled, The missiles delivered in 
slow motion. The article reported on perceived delays to Guided Weapons and 
Explosive Ordnance manufacturing following the release of the Defence Strategic 
Review.

On 26 April 2023, The Australia published an article titled, Urgent long-range missile 
orders and domestic guided weapons industry delayed for another Defence review. 
The article reported on the Defence Strategic Review advice to urgently procure 
missiles, however the recommendation for an additional review will delay these 
deliveries.

On 26 April 2023, ABC News published an article titled, 'Missile focus of Defence 
Strategic Review indicates shift away from peacekeeping, veteran says. The article 
reported on the proposed increase in missile capabilities, and the shift away from 
peacekeeping.

On 25 April 2023, the Canberra Times published an article titled, Defence shifts $7.8b 
in projects for rise of region's 'missile age'. The article reported on the shifting focus 
and priorities of Defence, following the release of the Defence Strategic Review. 

Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
Division:
Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000409
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Dr Jasmine Cernovs                              
Andrew Byrne                                                
Assistant Secretary Guided Weapons and 
First Assistant Secretary Guided Weapons 
Explosive Ordnance Strategy and Plans
and Explosive Ordnance
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 16 May 2023
Date: 17 May 2023
Consultation: Defence Industry Policy 
Date: 3 April 2023
Division, Strategy, Policy and Industry Group Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Brendan Gilbert, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Defence Industry
Consultation: Guided Weapons and 
Date: 31 March 2023
Explosive Ordnance Delivery Division, 
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Capability Acquisition and Sustainment 
Group
Air Commodore Mark Scougall, Director 
General Explosive Materiel
Cleared by DSR: 
Major General Christopher Field, Deputy 
Ph: s47E(d)
Defence Strategic Review Task Force 
Date: 28 April 2023
Cleared by Service Head:
Date: 17 May 2023
Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive 
Ordnance
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022

Guided weapons contract
Senator Nita Green
Spoken Question
Senator GREEN: I'll come back to that in a moment. I have some questions on that work. But 
to be clear around the time though, the announcement around the strategic partners 
happened on 5 April 2022, is that right? 
Mr Byrne: Correct. 
Senator GREEN: What has happened with regard to the strategic partners so far? Has a 
contract been signed? 
Major Gen. Bottrell: Initially we signed a deed which was essentially a cooperative 
development phase. That allowed other things to occur, firstly for us to start a number of 
work packages. Andrew can talk to those work packages, which talk to future manufacturing 
options, so the work to analyse what is feasible. Essentially, it needed to be right for us. It 
needed to be right for what the US Government needed. It needed to be right for industry as 
well. That has been a complex undertaking. That has been done under that cooperative 
development phase and will continue once our heads of agreement contract agreement is 
signed. 
Senator GREEN: When was the deed signed? 
Major Gen. Bottrell: I would have to take that on notice. I may have the detail, otherwise I 
will have to come back to you with that deed. Subsequent to that we are working on a 
strategic partners heads of agreement, which we are working to have signed by late 
November or early December this year.
Answer
The Collaborative Development Process Deeds with Raytheon Australia and Lockheed Martin 
Australia were signed on 8 April 2022.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Missiles
Senator Jim Molan
Written Question
1. Has the Department of Defence been briefed on ADF missile and long-range strike 
capabilities? Have those briefings assessed the lethality and durability of missile munitions, 
and stock replacement? Has the Department been briefed on how long it would take to 
exhaust, and replace, our current missile stocks in a conflict scenario? What level of stock 
reproduction, and net production, is necessary to keep Australia defended? What is the plan 
to address these risks? Please provide details
2. Has the Department been briefed on the supply chain and production capacity of the full 
cycle of missile delivery (manufacturing, chemical, mineral and fuel components, 
infrastructure)?
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
3. Has the Department been briefed on offshore, allied and other markets that our missile 
supply chains are dependent on? Have you been briefed on sovereign onshore production 
and supply chain industrial capacity, and its preparedness to sustain missile production in the 
event of conflict scenarios?
4. More specifically, has the Department been briefed on what manufacturing, chemical, 
mineral, and fuel component production and supply Australia’s missile capability currently 
relies on, and what are the risks regional conflict scenarios and other scenarios (eg. sanctions, 
blockades and other trade disruptions) pose to availability of these components? What 
sovereign and onshore sources and production and supply options currently exist and could 
persist?
Answer
1. Yes. Details requested are classified.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes. Details of production and supply options are classified.
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Munitions stockpile
Senator David Van
Written Question
1. What is our projected or planned munitions stockpile in Australia? Do we have a projection 
of general armaments and how long it will last? 
2. Has the department done any modelling to calculate how long these reserves will last for? 
If so, Can the department provide this modelling?
Answer
1. Defence monitors the strategic environment and assesses the requirements for munitions.
2. Yes. Outcomes of Departmental modelling are classified.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000409
Last updated: 17 May 2023
   Current Status of the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Document 25
 
Budget Estimates 9 November 2022
Weapons stock holdings

Senator Linda White
Written Question
With respect to the Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Enterprise announced by the 
former Government on 31 March 2021, Mr Dutton said that the then-Government would 
“ensure we have adequate supply of weapon stock holdings”: 
1. Does Defence assess that it currently has adequate supply of weapon stock holdings? 
2. What additional stock holdings were secured by the former Government following the 
GWEO Enterprise announcement? 
a. If additional stock were secured, when were those decisions taken, what funding was 
allocated and when were they announced? 
3. Does Defence have any concerns with respect to the storage and maintenance facilities 
for: 
a. guided weapons stock holdings 
b. explosive ordnance stock holdings 
4. Did the former Government approve the construction any storage facilities for guided 
weapons and explosive ordnance following its 31 March 2021 announcement? 
a. If yes, were the approved facilities sufficient for the storage of known stock holding and 
on-order guided weapons and ordnance?
Answer
1. Information about Defence’s weapon stockholdings is classified.
2. Stock is considered secured once orders are confirmed by the supplier. Since March 2021, 
Defence has secured additional stock of BLU-111 Aerial Bomb, Advanced Anti-Radiation 
Guided Missiles, and Hellfire Air to Ground Missiles.
a. In December 2021, the previous Government approved the acquisition of these 
additional stocks, as part of the approval for the acquisition of four priority weapons (BLU-
111 Aerial Bomb, Mk-48 Heavy Weight Torpedoes, Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided 
Missile, and Hellfire Air to Ground Missiles). The funding allocation for the four priority 
weapons was $276.6 million. Government approval of these acquisitions was not 
publically announced.
3. a and b. Defence has no current concerns about the capacity of the guided weapons and 
explosive ordnance storage network, which is sufficient for Defence’s existing GWEO 
inventory. However, the network will need to expand significantly over the coming years to 
accommodate a growing GWEO inventory. Defence is in the process of expanding the storage 
network now and is developing plans for further expansion.
4. No.
a. Not applicable. See response to question 4.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name Dr Jasmine Cernovs 
Name: Air Marshal Leon Phillips
Position: Assistant Secretary GWEO Strategy and Plans
Position: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Branch: Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance 
Group: Chief of Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000410
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Australian Defence Force Fuel Resiliency
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Major General Jason Walk
Document 26

Defence closely monitors the ADF’s fuel requirements and adjusts stock levels 
accordingly. Stock levels are balanced against the need to ‘turn over’ fuel to ensure 
quality specifications are maintained.

The Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water is the whole-of-
government lead for national energy security. 

Australia receives crude oil from a variety of sources (some in small volumes). Ensuring 
diversity of supply is important in managing disruptions and seeking alternative supply.

Defence does not dictate the origin of fuels supplied by its commercial providers. Defence 
requires deliveries be in full, on time and meet the required quality specifications.

The Government imposed autonomous sanctions in relation to the Russian threat to the 
sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

The sanctions prohibit the importation of fuels, lubricants or petroleum products from 
Russia.

Further information may be obtained from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
The Fuel Security Act 2021

On 29 June 2021, the Fuel Security Act 2021 and the associated Fuel Security 
(Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Act 2021 came into effect.

The Fuel Security Act 2021 gives effect to key measures announced in the Government’s 
Fuel Security Package included in the financial year 2021-2022 Budget. These measures 
include:
- establishing a domestic fuel reserve through the Minimum Stockholding 
Obligation;
- maintaining domestic refining capability through the Fuel Security Services 
Payment; and
- building additional storage capacity through the Boosting Australia’s Diesel 
Storage Program.

The decision to increase Australia’s diesel storage will result in an additional capacity of 
approximately 780 mega litres. Domestic refineries will also receive assistance to upgrade 
their facilities enabling improvements in Australian fuel quality from 2024.

Defence strongly supports value for money and national approaches which increase the 
resilience of Australia’s fuel supply chain.
Australia-United States Ministerial Joint Statement 2020

On 28 July 2020, the Australia-United States Ministerial Joint Statement announced a 
United States funded and commercially operated strategic military fuel reserve. The 
reserve would be constructed in Darwin to further advance cooperation and strengthen 
the resilience of Defence’s supply chains.

On 16 September 2021, the United States advised the contract for the facility was 
awarded to a United States based company, Crowley Government Services Inc. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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PDR No: SB23-000410
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Australian Defence Force Fuel Resiliency
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Major General Jason Walk
Document 26

On 23 November 2021, Saunders International Ltd announced on the Australian Stock 
Exchange, Crowley Government Services Inc. had awarded them a contract to build the 
Reserve.

As a United States-funded project, specific questions about the facility should be directed 
to the United States Department of Defense.
International Energy Agency 

As an International Energy Agency member, Australia has committed to maintain oil 
reserves equal to 90 days (of net imports of the previous year) by 2026. 

Data from the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water 
indicates Australia’s oil stocks were, on average, equivalent to 66 International Energy 
Agency days in the first half of 2022.

Defence is exempt from Australia’s 90 day stockholding commitment. 
Renewable Fuels

Renewable fuels are currently the primary option to reduce the carbon intensity of 
existing military platforms while ensuring their energy requirements are supported over 
the course of their service lives.

Defence can use renewable fuels which meet the relevant national and international 
standards to ensure safety and effectiveness. When available, these fuels would be 
accessed through established contracts (i.e. the Fuel Services Contracts).

Defence must be satisfied any renewable fuels used in its platforms are approved by the 
original equipment manufacturer.

Defence is building mechanisms into its forthcoming Fuel Services Contract which will 
provide the flexibility to source renewable fuels to meet the demand. 
Grant to Licella Holdings Limited

On 17 May 2022, the Hon Brendan O’Connor MP, as the then Shadow Minister for 
Defence, announced the Labor Government would provide a (non-competitive) grant of 
$5.1 million (over three years) to the Australian biofuel company, Licella Holdings Limited 
to assist in the construction of a renewable fuels facility in the Burdekin region of 
Queensland.

The production and certification of the Sustainable Aviation Fuels election commitment 
was announced in the October 2022 Federal Budget. It is included as one of the measures 
under the Government’s Powering Australia plan.

Defence is committed to working with renewable fuels producers and key strategic 
partners to adopt sustainable liquid renewable fuels for use in military platforms. This 
includes administering the $5.1 million grant to Licella Holdings Limited to further 
develop and prove their proprietary technology to produce renewable fuels.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000410
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Australian Defence Force Fuel Resiliency
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Major General Jason Walk
Document 26

Administration of the grant requires policy, legislative and financial authority. Defence is 
currently working through the necessary parliamentary approvals process to obtain these 
authorities. 

In addition, Defence has formally entered into a Deed of Confidentiality with Licella 
Holdings Limited to review their proprietary technology in depth. 

Funding for the grant will become available once the related bills have passed through 
Parliament and legislative authority is granted. Defence understands this will occur by 
second quarter 2023.

The grant will be delivered through the Department of Infrastructure, Science and 
Resources’ Business Grants Hub. Defence is working with the Business Grants Hub to 
develop a comprehensive grant process, including grant guidelines consistent with the 
Commonwealth Grants Rules and Guidelines 2017.

Licella Holdings Limited will need to apply for the grant, with their application being 
assessed against the guidelines.

Based on information provided by Licella Holdings Limited, it is anticipated their 
sustainable aviation fuel could take five or more years to gain certification.
If Pressed: What is Air Force’s position on Sustainable Aviation Fuel?

Air Force has taken a deliberate approach to introduce the usage of Sustainable Aviation 
Fuel in a way that enhances air and space power whilst also delivering emission reduction 
benefits. 

Due to the primacy of our mission to prepare military capabilities, it is necessary for Air 
Force to have a deliberate approach to increased Sustainable Aviation Fuel usage which is 
climate conscious and risk-informed, but does not compromise capability or 
preparedness.

Air Force is engaged with partner air forces to ensure commonality and interoperability 
with respect to the usage of Sustainable Aviation Fuel. Air Force recognises coordinated 
and collaborative action with international partners is essential if we are to remain 
interoperable.
Timeline of Significant Events
Date
Action
17 May 2022
Labor election commitment - $5.1 million grant Licella Holdings 
Limited for the development of a commercial biofuel refinery 
capable of making certified sustainable aviation fuel to be used in 
ADF platforms, in Queensland’s Burdekin region.
23 November 2021
Saunders International Ltd announced on the Australian Stock 
Exchange Crowley Government Services Inc. had awarded them the 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000410
Last updated: 1 May 2023
Australian Defence Force Fuel Resiliency
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Air Marshal Robert Chipman; Major General Jason Walk
Document 26
Date
Action
contract to build the United States funded and commercially 
operated strategic military fuel reserve facility in Darwin.
16 September 2021
The United States advised the contract for the United States funded 
and commercially operated strategic military fuel reserve facility in 
Darwin was awarded to United States based company, Crowley 
Government Services Inc. 
Background

Defence’s fuel supply baseline budget for financial year 2022-23 is $627.782 million. 

The Defence Fuel Transformation Program will reduce enterprise risk, increase Defence 
fuel supply chain resilience and optimise total cost of ownership through a combination 
of actions. This includes risk reduction, increased industry collaboration and targeted 
investments in infrastructure. 

Defence works closely with its fuel suppliers to ensure ongoing supply. Defence’s 
suppliers can source fuel, including specialist fuels, from around the globe.

Defence’s fuel holdings generally range from several weeks (aviation and vehicular fuels) 
to months (naval fuels) at normal rates of consumption. 

Holding large quantities of fuel with little turnover, particularly aviation fuel, can result in 
the stored fuel not meeting the necessary specifications for Defence use. Fuel shelf life is 
considered as part of the ongoing management of ADF fuel requirements.

Defence has a number of options to enhance its fuel stockholdings where necessary, 
including:
-
ensuring existing fuel storage is held at maximum capacity;
-
buying additional fuel and paying for its storage in commercial facilities; 
-
hiring commercial ocean-going fuel tankers for additional storage capacity; and
-
accessing partner nation fuel stocks through international logistics agreements.

If a national fuel emergency was declared under the Liquid Fuels Emergency Act 1984
Defence may be exempt from rationing as an ‘essential user’. Fuel stocks requisitioned 
under the Liquid Fuels Emergency Act 1984 may also be provided to Defence for activities 
in the ‘Defence of Australia’.
Renewable Fuels

Interest in decarbonising the transport sector is increasing considerably at both a national 
and international level. While this is contributing to Defence’s consideration of renewable 
energy technologies, the main driver is to assure Defence energy security for warfighting 
capabilities and continued interoperability with strategic partners.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s22
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The two broad renewable fuel types of interest to Defence are Sustainable Aviation Fuel 
and renewable diesel. Sustainable Aviation Fuel is subject to rigorous certification 
processes managed and approved by American Society of Testing and Materials 
International. 

American Society of Testing and Materials International certification requires 
participation of an agreement by original equipment manufacturers for both platforms 
and engines. Original equipment manufacturers involved in American Society of Testing 
and Materials International certification processes include all major platform and engine 
suppliers to Defence, as well as commercial operators of similar commercial platforms.

Australian industry is currently unable to produce value for money, renewable fuels in 
commercial quantities approved for aviation (both civil and military) or naval applications. 

For Defence to use renewable fuels, they must be costed competitively and in the short 
term have capability to be used as a ‘drop in’ replacement, requiring no change in engine, 
storage or distribution technology.
Domestic Renewable Fuels

There are currently no approved producers of certified sustainable aviation fuel in 
Australia.

Defence anticipates Australian-sourced renewable fuels produced at scale and suitable 
for Defence platforms are unlikely to become available before 2025. 

Defence will only use sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel which meet strict 
certification standards. 

Appropriate fuel standards are essential to Defence capability to ensure the functionality 
of airframes, platforms and propulsion systems and to ensure personnel safety and 
mission effectiveness. 

Fuel standards are a core focus of existing Defence safety management systems. Defence 
achieves this through alignment with American Society of Testing and Materials 
International approved fuel development pathways, particularly for sustainable aviation 
fuel. 

Defence fuel standards were recently revised to permit the use of American Society of 
Testing and Materials International certified types of sustainable aviation fuel, up to a 
maximum of 50 per cent blend ratio.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
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Division:
Joint Capabilities Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000410
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Major General Jason Walk
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 26 April 2023
Date: 5 April 2023
Consultation: Defence Legal Division
 Date: 04 April 2023
s47E(d)
, Special Counsel
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Consultation: Air Force
 Date: 17 May 2023 
Air Commodore Michael Durant, Director 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
General Strategy and Planning
Cleared by CFO /DPG: 
Date: 04 April 2023
Emma McCarthy, Assistant Secretary Finance
Cleared by DSR: 
Date: 01 May 2023
Major General Christopher Field
Ph: s47E(d)
Deputy DSR Task Force – ADF Integration
Cleared by Group Head: 
Date:  27 April 2023
Lieutenant General John Frewen
Chief of Joint Capabilities
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: Brigadier Gabrielle Follett
Name: Lieutenant General John Frewen 
Position: Director General Fuel Services
Position: Chief of Joint Capabilities
Division: Joint Logistics Command
Group: Joint Capabilities Group
Phone: s22
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 We must also continue to develop our cyber and space capabilities.
What are the priorities for implementation?

The Government has directed that Defence must have the capacity to:
 defend Australia and our immediate region;
 deter through denial any adversary’s attempt to project power against Australia 
through our northern approaches;
 protect Australia’s economic connection to our region and the world;
 contribute with our partners to the collective security of the Indo-Pacific; and
 contribute with our partners to the maintenance of the global rules-based order. 

The Government has also made decisions on six initial priority areas for immediate 
action. These are:
 investing in conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarines through the AUKUS 
partnership;
 developing the ADF’s ability to precisely strike targets at longer range and manufacture 
munitions in Australia;
 improving the ADF’s ability to operate from Australia’s northern bases;
 lifting our capacity to rapidly translate disruptive new technologies into ADF capability, 
in close partnership with Australian industry;
 investing in the growth and retention of a highly-skilled defence workforce; and
 deepening our diplomatic and defence partnerships with key partners in the 
Indo-Pacific.
What is ‘National Defence’?

National Defence is focused on the defence of Australia in the face of potential threats 
in our region.  
 Our nation and its leaders must take a much more whole-of-government and whole-of-
nation approach to security.

This approach requires much more active Australian statecraft that works to support 
the maintenance of a regional balance of power in the Indo-Pacific.  
 This requires deepening diplomatic engagement and stronger defence capabilities to 
help deter coercion and lower the risk of conflict. 
What is the Strategy of Denial?

A strategy of denial is a defensive approach designed to stop an adversary from 
succeeding in its goal to coerce states through force, or the threatened use of force, to 
achieve dominance.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Denial is associated with the ability and intent to defend against, and defeat, an act of 
aggression.
What is Net Assessment?

The Review recommended a new, more focused approach to defence planning based 
on net assessment.
 Net assessment is an integrated methodology and planning process that identifies the 
key challenges and risks of the strategic environment to inform response options, 
aligning a range of core Defence planning functions.
 This will be taken forward through the development of the 2024 National Defence 
Strategy.

Net assessment will inform Defence’s investments to ensure Defence responds to 
accelerating changes in our strategic environment through the best investment of 
resources.
What is a Balanced Force vs. a Focused Force?

A balanced force is designed to be able to respond to a range of contingencies when 
the strategic situation remains uncertain.  
 This force design required that the ADF respond to low-level threats related to 
continental defence, regional operations in support of Australian interests and global 
support to our Alliance partner, the United States.

The focused force conceptual approach to force structure planning will lead to a force 
designed to address the nation’s most significant military risks.
 The capabilities required to address identified threats will also provide latent capability 
to deal with lower-level contingencies and crises.
What is the plan for the National Defence Strategy?

The Government’s response to the Review includes specific directions to Defence with 
immediate effect, while establishing a methodical and comprehensive process for 
long-term and sustainable implementation. 

To inform this, the Government has accepted the Review’s recommendation for an 
inaugural National Defence Strategy in 2024, which will be updated biennially. 

The National Defence Strategy will encompass a comprehensive plan of Defence policy, 
planning, capabilities and resourcing, including reprioritisation of the Integrated 
Investment Program, in line with the recommendations of the Review.
Why did the Government commission the Review?

Australia’s region, the Indo-Pacific, faces increasing competition that operates on 
several levels—economic, military, strategic and diplomatic—all interwoven and all 
framed by an intense contest of narrative.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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A large-scale conventional and non-conventional military build-up, occurring without 
strategic reassurance, is contributing to the most challenging circumstances in our 
region for decades.

Combined with rising tensions and reduced warning time for conflict, the risks of 
military escalation or miscalculation are rising.

At the same time, the effects of climate change across the region are amplifying our 
challenges, while other actions that fall short of kinetic conflict, including economic 
coercion, are encroaching on the ability of countries to exercise their own agency and 
decide their own destinies. 

These factors made it necessary for the Government to commission the Defence 
Strategic Review to assess whether Australia has the necessary defence capability, 
posture and preparedness to best defend Australia and its interests in the context of 
our current strategic environment.
Is this in direct response to China?

The Government’s response to the Review is about shaping a region that reflects our 
national interests and our shared regional interests.
 Those interests lie in a region that operates by rules, standards and norms—where a 
larger country does not determine the fate of a smaller country, and where each can 
country can pursue its own aspirations and prosperity.

A stable relationship between Australia and China is in the interests of both countries 
and the broader region.

Australia will continue to cooperate with China where we can, disagree where we must, 
manage our differences wisely, and above all else, engage in and vigorously pursue our 
own national interest.
Was this a truly independent review?

Yes, the Defence Strategic Review was undertaken by the Independent Leads rather 
than Defence.
 The Leads guided the process, led its development and were responsible for the 
content and recommendations of the Review.
 Defence officials (APS and ADF members) provided support to the Leads in the conduct 
of the Review, including secretariat and administrative services. 

By comparison, previous Defence white papers and the Defence Strategic Update and 
Force Structure Plan were undertaken from within the Department of Defence.
How will the Review be implemented? 

Defence has established a Deputy Secretary-led Defence Strategic Review 
Implementation Taskforce.

Defence is finalising its implementation plans to deliver against the agreed Defence 
Strategic Review recommendations.
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Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Is Government re-assessing the Defence budget?

The Prime Minister has affirmed the Government will ensure Defence has the 
resources it needs to defend Australia and deter potential aggressors.

As the Government has stated publicly, Defence funding will increase over the next 
decade above its current trajectory to implement the Review, including delivery of the 
conventionally-armed, nuclear-powered submarine program through AUKUS.

The Prime Minister has said we need to invest what we need to promote peace 
and security in the region (Anthony Albanese says defence spending must rise to 
meet new needs).

The Government’s response to the Review includes specific directions to Defence, with 
immediate effect, while establishing a methodical and comprehensive process for long 
term and sustainable implementation.

Defence has been directed to conduct a holistic, integrated and fully costed 
assessment of current plans and activities to ensure alignment with the strategic 
intent set out in the National Defence Statement 2023 and the Review.

This will be considered in the context of the 2024 National Defence Strategy. 
What projects have been delayed, cancelled or rescoped in response to the Review?

Decisions will be made to cancel or reprioritise Defence projects or activities that are 
no longer suited to our strategic circumstances, as outlined in the Review.
 This will involve reprioritising planned investments, while maintaining the overall level 
of Defence funding over the forward estimates.

The Government will reprioritise Defence’s Integrated Investment Program to fund 
immediate and longer-term priorities, as recommended by the Review, which will be 
released as part of the inaugural National Defence Strategy in 2024.
When were/will allies and partners be briefed in on the Defence Strategic Review and its 
recommendations?

Select regional and international stakeholders were, and continue to be, engaged and 
briefed, as appropriate. 

We regularly engage with our regional partners, including on assessments of our 
regional security environment and actions we are taking in response.

I will not comment on private discussions with counterparts.
When were/will Industry be engaged on the outcomes of the Review?

Defence has, and will continue to conduct industry consultation and engagement.

Select Defence industry partners were engaged and briefed, as appropriate.

Phone calls were made to 14 Defence industry companies ahead of the public 
release of the report. The calls were directly between the company Chief 
Executive Officer’s and either Minister for Defence Industry, Deputy Secretary 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
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Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group or Deputy Secretary Naval 
Shipbuilding and Sustainment Group. The calls occurred on 21 and 23 April 2023.

After the release of the public report the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for 
Defence Industry, supported by Defence officials, conducted three industry 
roundtables:

Industry Primes and Unions – 26 April 2023 in Canberra;

Northern Bases Infrastructure (Infrastructure and Indigenous companies) – 
27 April 2023 in Darwin; and

Innovation (SMEs and Universities) – 28 April 2023 in Sydney.
Why has the Government not released the detail of all 108 recommendations?

As identified by the Review’s Independent Leads, the public report is, necessarily, a 
qualitatively different version of the report handed to Government in February.

It is less detailed, as many of the judgements and recommendations in the report are 
sensitive and classified.

This is consistent with the approach of successive governments.

There are 62 recommendations that appear in the unclassified public report.

The remaining recommendations, and the Government’s response to them, 
cannot be released due to their sensitivity.
What makes the DSR ‘the most substantial and ambitious approach to Defence reform 
recommended to any Australian Government since the Second World War’?

When the Government commissioned the Defence Strategic Review on 3 August 2022, 
it noted that changes in Australia’s strategic environment were rapidly accelerating. 

Specifically, that military modernisation, technological disruption and the risk of 
state-on-state conflict were complicating Australia’s strategic circumstances.

Further the Government acknowledged that it was vital that our defence force 
remained positioned to meet our global and regional security challenges.  

In their report, the independent leads noted that many of the challenges in the Review 
will require significant effort and commitment to implement.  

The underpinning theme of this review was that time matters, and this DSR is an 
urgent call to action. 

The final words of the leads’ report, ‘it will be challenging to effect’, is a 
recognition that this report goes beyond others in its scope and ambition.   

Implementing the Review requires transformational reform which will not be achieved 
overnight. 

Once the Review’s recommendations have been implemented,  Defence will have:

a Navy with enhanced lethality through its surface fleet; 
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
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an Army optimised for littoral operations in our northern approaches and 
long-range strike capability; and an

Air Force able to provide the air support for joint operations in our north by 
conducting surveillance, air defence, strike and air transport.

Defence will also have fundamentally reformed its capability acquisition systems to 
ensure capability gets into the hands of the ADF operator faster.

To enable National Defence, there must also be a more holistic approach to Australia’s 
defence and security strategy.

This requires a much more whole-of-government and whole-of-nation approach 
to security.  
▪ For example, enhanced fuel security is not a matter Defence can solve by 
itself.

The development of a biennial National Defence Strategy also means Defence 
policy development will keep pace with a rapidly evolving strategic environment 
and ensure consistency across government.

As the Deputy Prime Minister has said, “The Governments response to the Defence 
Strategic Review has re-tasked our Defence force for the first time in 35 years, giving it a 
clear direction for a new strategic posture, because we are able to make the difficult 
decision to prioritise money where it is needed most.”
What access to Defence and Government information did the Leads have? 

The Review was informed by intelligence and strategic assessments of the most 
concerning threats challenging Australia's security.

Input to the Defence Strategic Review was drawn from internal and external experts, 
consultations with senior personnel, and numerous submissions from interested 
parties.
How much time did the Independent Leads invest in engaging with key stakeholders?

The Independent Leads undertook an extensive program of consultation with 
Australian stakeholders, including senior officials from federal, state and territory 
governments, defence industry, think tanks, universities and key individuals. 

Engagement by the Leads included:
 Meetings with senior officials across government.
 Senior-level war-games with Defence leadership and subject matter experts.
 A visit to key defence sites across our northern network of bases in September 2022. 
 Roundtable discussions with academics, think tanks and defence experts.
 A roundtable discussion with indigenous representatives.
 Meetings with state and territory representatives.
 Travel to Washington and Honolulu in October 2022 for consultations.
 Travel to London in January 2023 for consultations.
 The Leads also met with the New Zealand Secretary of Defence in November 2022.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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How did Defence support the Review? 

Defence supported the Independent Leads by coordinating briefings from senior 
officials, providing intelligence assessments, conducting war-gaming and 
experimentation, and facilitating external consultation.
What contracts were in place to support the Review, and how much did it cost? 

As per AusTender, the contracts for the Independent Leads were for a possible period 
of eight months from August 2022 to March 2023. 
 Sir Angus Houston’s contract has been extended for an additional period through to 
May 2023. 

The remuneration for the Independent Leads took into account the importance and 
profile of the role, including that both Leads stood down or reduced focus on other 
commitments as a consequence of taking on the Defence Strategic Review. 
 Sir Angus Houston was paid $521,125 including GST. 
▪ Sir Angus Houston’s remuneration was appropriate for a former Chief of 
the Defence Force with extensive experience relevant to the role. 
 His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith was paid $195,600.49 including GST. 
▪ His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith’s remuneration was appropriate for 
a former Minister of Defence with extensive experience relevant to the 
role. (ref SQ 59 response)
▪ His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith’s final invoice under his contract 
with Defence as an independent lead for the DSR was received on 
18 January 2023 and he has not sought any further payment.  
▪ He was appointed as Australia’s High Commissioner to the UK on 
26 January 2023.

Professor Peter Dean provided external support to the Independent Leads. 
 Professor Dean was paid $226,791.48, including GST. 
Did the Leads have conflicts of interest? 

Standard contractual clauses and Departmental processes are in place to manage 
conflicts of interest and disclosures.
How were conflicts managed in regard to His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith’s posting to 
London? 

His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith commenced his role as the UK High 
Commissioner on 26 January 2023.

Questions regarding His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith’s appointment as High 
Commissioner to the UK are a matter for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
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Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
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Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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How were the public submissions considered?

All public submissions were provided to the Independent Leads for consideration.

368 submissions were received. 

There is no intention to release the submissions publicly. 

Some individuals/authors of submissions have chosen to release their submissions 
publicly. 

The submissions are for the Independent Leads, not for Defence’s consideration.  
Supporting Information

The Defence Strategic Review was delivered to the Government on 14 February 2023 
by Sir Angus Houston AK, AFC (Ret’d) and His Excellency the Hon Stephen Smith as 
Independent Leads of the Review.

The public version of the Defence Strategic Review, and the Government’s response to 
it, were released on 24 April 2023.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Senate: 18 November 2022

In QoN 3, DSR briefings, Senator Jim Molan (Liberal, New South Wales) asked the 
Department, upon notice, to provide the list of engagements the Defence Strategic 
Review Leads have had with partners and other parts of government.

In QoN 48, Commissioning of a Defence Force Posture, Senator David Van (Liberal, 
Victoria) asked the Department, upon notice, if the Minister commissioned a Defence 
Force Posture Review prior to commissioning the Defence Strategic Review.

In QoN 53, Receipt of the DSR interim report, Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, 
Tasmania) asked the Department, upon notice, a series of questions relating to the 
Prime Minister’s interview and an article written by Greg Sheridan in the Australian on 
5-6 November 2022.

In QoN 59, Selection of the Independent Leads: Senator Claire Chandler (Liberal, 
Tasmania) asked the Department, upon notice, a number of questions relating to the 
process for selecting the Leads, remuneration arrangements, travel undertaken and for 
a list of written or verbal meetings the Leads have had with Ministers, Secretary of the 
Defence Force, Chief of the Defence Force and Cabinet.  
Senate: 10 October 2022

In QoN 940, Hunter-class and future submarine programs, Senator the Hon Simon 
Birmingham (Liberal, South Australia) asked the Minister representing the Minister for 
Defence, upon notice, questions relating to media reporting in The Australian that 
Hunter and future submarines would be excluded from the Defence Strategic Review.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
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Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senate: 28 September 2022

In QoN 832, conduct of the Defence Strategic Review, Senator the Hon Simon 
Birmingham (Liberal, South Australia) asked the Minister representing the Minister for 
Defence, upon notice a series of questions relating to the conduct of the Defence 
Strategic Review.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

On 21 February 2023, an organisation sought access under Freedom of Information to 
“all documents, including internal communications, relating to the purported 
publication of findings of the Defence Strategic Review in the media. The scope of this 
request covers from 12 February to 19 February 2023.” The decision was made to 
refuse the request under section 24A and the applicant was advised of the outcome on 
21 March 2023.

On 1 November 2022, an individual from Australian Associated Press sought access 
under Freedom of Information to a copy of “the interim report of the strategic review 
of the defence force”. This request was denied under Sections 33(a)(i) and 33(b) of the 
Freedom of Information Act and the applicant was advised of the outcome on 23 
December 2022.

On 12 October 2022, Defence received a Freedom of Information request for access to 
a range of Defence question time briefs including “QB22-000190 Defence Strategic 
Review including Defence Industry Development Strategy”. The decision was made to 
partially release the documents to the applicant on 19 December 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 22 May 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister spoke at the News Corp's Defending 
Australia, Australian War Memorial. He said, “The Defence Strategic Review – 
commissioned within the first hundred days of our Government – and the 
Government’s response to it has provided the first re-tasking of our Defence Force in 
more than 35 years… Our Defence Force will now be a focussed force dedicated to 
achieving these tasks. As most of these tasks involve activity beyond our shores, what 
underpins them is a need to have a Defence Force with the capacity to engage in 
impactful projection through the full spectrum of proportionate response… The 
Defence Strategic Review and the Government’s response to it is providing our 
Defence Force with clear direction for a new strategic posture.”

On 17 May 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister spoke to the American Chamber of 
Commerce in Australia and said, “The Defence Strategic Review argues that this now 
demands that as a nation we need to act with a controlled sense of urgency. We have 
no time to waste. Defence will need to prioritise and accelerate innovation. If we are to 
develop these advanced capabilities, we need to adopt an innovation mindset – one 
where we are not afraid to fail fast, learn, and adapt. That’s why we are investing in 
making these capabilities a reality, and building the framework and organisations to 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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achieve this. Following the Government’s response to the Defence Strategic Review, 
we announced the establishment of a new Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator 
– ASCA. And in the Budget we handed down last week, the Albanese Government is 
taking the first steps to putting the funding behind ASCA – for $3.4 billion over the next 
decade – to make it a reality. The creation of ASCA will turbo-charge Australia’s 
contributions to pillar two of AUKUS.”

On 30 April 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister spoke on Insiders.  He said, “But the point 
that we're really making is that when you look at the way in which great power contest 
is playing out, and particularly in our region, you look at that military build up and you 
look at our exposure to that through a much greater economic connection to the 
world, we are much more vulnerable to coercion than we've ever been before. And we 
need to be thinking about the way in which we posture our defence force to deal with 
that. And what that means is we need a defence force which has a much greater power 
or ability to engage in projection, because so much of what we need to do is beyond 
our shores. So, to have a Defence Force with the capacity for impactful projection 
across the full spectrum of proportionate response is now what we are seeking to 
achieve. And that's really- as I said- the first re-tasking of our Defence Force in 35 years. 
And we're now seeking to put in place as quickly as we can the equipment which 
postures us for that.”

On 24 April 2023, the DSR was announced publically by the Prime Minister, Deputy 
Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence Industry. 

The Prime Minister said “[The DSR] is the most significant work that's been done since 
the Second World War … It demonstrates that in a world where challenges to our 
national security are always evolving, we cannot fall back on old assumptions”. And 
“The work we're undertaking as a result of this Review fits together with everything 
that our Government is doing to repair our supply chains, upgrade our energy grid, 
boost our cyber security systems and rebuild faith in our public institutions.” 

The Deputy Prime Minister said “For the first time in 35 years, we are recasting the 
mission of the Australian Defence Force, which will have five elements to it. Firstly, to 
defend our nation and our immediate region. Secondly, to deter through denial, any 
adversary that seeks to project power against Australia or our interests through our 
northern approaches. Thirdly, to protect Australia's economic connection to the region 
and the world. Fourthly, with our partners, to provide for the collective security of the 
Indo-Pacific. And fifthly, with our partners, to provide for the maintenance of the global 
rules-based order.” He also discussed the six initial priorities of the DSR. 

The Deputy Prime Minister also mentioned “The cost of the DSR over the forward 
estimates will be around $19 billion. Much of that is already provided for in the Budget. 
But as a consequence of the DSR and the Government's response to it, we're 
reprioritising $7.8 billion worth of programs to enable us to put a focus on the six 
priorities that I have described.”

The Minister for Defence Industry said “[The DSR is] A vote of confidence in saying that 
we need a sovereign defence industrial base in this country if we are truly to be 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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independent and sovereign and have supply chain resilience. And two great examples 
of that within the DSR is the commitment to manufacture guided weapons and 
explosive ordinance within Australia as soon as possible. Second is the commitment to 
continuous shipbuilding in this country.” 

The Minister for Defence Industry also mentioned “We inherited 28 projects running 
97 years late cumulatively and we need to do much better and we are working hard on 
that right now.”

The Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence Industry held a doorstop in 
Darwin on 27 April and the DPM said “$2 billion of that will be focussed on our air 
bases from RAAF Base Learmonth in Western Australia, through the Cocos Islands, 
through the Territory and into Queensland. But that would include RAAF Base Darwin 
and RAAF Base Tindall. $1 billion on land and joint estate, and that includes looking at 
some of our training grounds, but improved investments in Robertson Barracks here in 
Darwin. And $600 million to our maritime facilities and that includes what we're seeing 
right here at HMAS Coonawarra.”
Relevant Media Reporting 
25 May 2023 The Australian - Defence supplement
“DSR: A case of ‘so much for so little’”, heavily criticises the DSR and suggests the 
Review was written to meet political needs and lacks supporting arguments. 
“Review steers national strategy for safer future”, Minister Conroy outlines the 
Government’s directions in response to the DSR. 
“Naval build program in holding pattern”, claims the DSR was expected to provide 
clarity for Navy and Australia’s shipbuilding industry and creates nervousness for 
industry. 
“Do we have a viable military strategy?”, says ‘The public DSR provides little detail 
on what this focused force looks like and further discusses the Defence budget and 
DSR funding shortfalls and workforce.
“Hope fades of progress on IFV’s”, maintains the DSR does not provide clarity on 
IFV’s. 
“AUKUS drives strategic vision”, criticises the short timeline the DSR was conducted 
under and says it ‘lacks the comprehensively detailed argument which might create 
a national consensus behind major changes in policy and governance’. 
24 May 2023   Australian Financial Review “Marles in Seoul defence talks to counter China” 
speculates on discussions between DPM and his counterpart in South Korea next week will 
provide an opportunity to explain scaled-back defence contracts for ROK companies under 
the DSR. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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23 May 2023 The Australian, “Maturity on China boosts our global status: Marles”, was 
written off the back of last night’s Newscorp event in Canberra and discusses speeches 
made by DPM, VCDF and Minister Dutton.
22 May 2023 The Daily Advertiser “Australia to be a long-range missile maker”, mentions 
Government investment of $4.1bn for GWEO.
20 May 2023 The Australian “Emergency training program would help plug the ADF gap”, 
discusses the ADF in relation to domestic crisis response and the relative DSR 
recommendation.
19 May 2023 ABC “Former defence chief Angus Houston hits out at China, warns of 
‘miscalculation’ leading to possible military conflict”, discusses Sir Angus’ US interview and 
commentary surrounding Australia’s Navy.
18 May 2023 The Advertiser “Ready to fail fast, learn & adapt”, discusses short 
timeframes for DSR implementation and DPM comments.
16 May 2023 The Australian “Navy needs greater capability in defence build up”, 
discusses the DSR specifically in relation to Navy capability.
25 April 2023 News.com “Labor rejects suggestions it timed release of Defence review with 
Anzac Day discusses the timing of the DSR release, with suggestions that the Government 
‘timed the release’ of The Review to coincide with Anzac Day and deflect coverage away 
from cancelled programs in the review”. 
Division:
Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
PDR No: 
SB23-000411
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
s47E(d)
, Defence Strategic Review 
Amy Hawkins, Acting First Assistant 
Implementation Task Force
Secretary, Policy and Engagement, Defence 
Strategic Review  Implementation Task 
Force
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 25 May 2023
Date: 25 May 2023  
Consultation:  NA
Cleared by Deputy Secretary 
Date: 26 May 2023  
Tom Hamilton, Deputy Secretary 
Defence Strategic Review Task Force
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates:

Defence Strategic Review
Senator Jim Molan
Question
Senator MOLAN: Are you able to provide details not of the content of the briefings but of the 
times that government has provided the DSR with briefings indicating its desire for missiles or 
drones or five or 10 years or any indication like this?
Senator Wong: I'm surprised you'd even ask a question like that, given your background. 
We're not going to be talking about particular capabilities until decisions are made, but we 
will take on notice what you are seeking, if I can try and put it in a more reasonable scope. 
What are you seeking?
Senator MOLAN: I'm seeking a list of the occasions on which a briefing has been provided by 
government to the DSR subsequent to the terms of reference.
Senator Wong: Why don't we look at what we can provide in relation to—I'll perhaps turn it 
the other way around—the DSR's activities and engagements with partners and other parts 
of government, and we'll take that on notice.
Answer
The Independent Leads of the Defence Strategic Review have consulted widely with domestic 
and international stakeholders including Department of Defence officials, defence industry, 
think tanks and academia and former government officials.
Representatives from state and territory governments have been engaged, as has the 
Opposition.
The process of consultation is ongoing.
Budget Estimates: 
Defence Force Posture Review
Senator David Van
Question
1. Did the Minister commission a Defence Force Posture (DFP) review, prior to commissioning 
the Defence Strategic Review (DSR)?
2. What work went into the DFP?
3. Were there costs involved in this? What were these costs and where did the funding come 
from?
4. Were resources diverted away from other defence projects or activities for the DFP 
review?
5. Exactly what work was done on the DFP, before it was scrapped for the DSR? Can the 
department outline specifically the items of work, time, and personnel involved?
6. Whose decision was it to cancel the DFP review? On what date was this decision made?
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Answer
No, a Defence Force Posture Review was not commissioned prior to the announcement of 
the Defence Strategic Review on 3 August 2022.
Budget Estimates: 
Defence Strategic Review Interim Report
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
With reference to the Government’s receipt of the interim report and advice from the 
Defence Strategic Review (DSR), and the Prime Minister’s interview and statements published 
by Greg Sheridan in the Weekend Australian, 5-6 November 2022:
1. The article stated that the Prime Minister plans to change the structure of the Australian 
Defence Force (ADF). Has the Department of Defence been briefed by the Prime Minister, or 
the Deputy Prime Minister, on what the Prime Minister plans to change? Has the Department 
provided advice or briefed the Government on any proposed changes in the structure of the 
ADF? Please provide details.
2. The article also states that the Prime Minister intends to increase the Defence budget, and 
is determined and fully committed. Has the Department been briefed by the Prime Minister, 
or the Deputy Prime Minister, on what magnitude of increase is contemplated, and what 
assumptions and priorities govern the increase? Has the Department provided advice or 
briefed the Government on any increase to the Defence budget? Please provide details.
3. The Prime Minister has stated that his Government will do whatever is necessary. Has the 
Department been briefed by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, on what is 
considered necessary? Has the Department provided advice or briefed the Government on 
what the Department considers is necessary for Defence and the ADF to achieve in this term 
of Government? Please provide details.
4. Has the Department been asked by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, to 
commence work on implementing the Prime Minister’s stated intentions to restructure the 
ADF, increase the Defence budget, and otherwise do what is necessary for achieving national 
defence and security outcomes? Please provide details.
5. Has the Department been asked by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, to 
commence work on responding to the interim advice of the DSR? Please provide details.
Answer
The Defence Strategic Review will consider the priority of investment in Defence capabilities 
and assess the Australian Defence Force's structure, posture and preparedness. The objective 
is to optimise Defence capability and posture to meet the nation's security challenges over 
the next decade and beyond. The Review will ensure that Defence’s capability and force 
structure is fit for purpose, affordable and delivers the greatest return on investment.
The Independent Leads provided interim advice to the Deputy Prime Minister on 03 
November 2022 on progress of the Review and will provide the final report in early 2023. As 
this is an Independent Review, it would be inappropriate to pre-empt the recommendations 
of the Review.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates 
Defence Strategic Review Lead Appointment
Senator Claire Chandler
Question
1. Can the Department outline the process that was undertaken to select the Two 
Independent Leads for the Defence Strategic Review (DSR)?
2. How many candidates were considered for the roles?
3. When were Professor the Hon Stephen Smith and Air Chief Marshal Sir Angus Houston 
AK AFC informed of their appointments to lead the DSR?
4. What is the remuneration for each Lead?
5. How was the remuneration determined?
6. Have the Leads been provided with offices and staff?
a. What is the location and cost of the offices?
b. Was any refurbishment work done to the offices for the Leads? If yes, what was the 
cost?
c. How many staff are working for the Leads and on the DSR? And what are their ranks or 
APS levels?
7. Have the Leads undertaken domestic and international travel in their roles?
a. Please provide a breakdown of all domestic trips and the costs of the trips including 
flights and accommodation.
b. Please provide a breakdown of all international trips and the costs of the trips 
including flights and accommodation.
8. How has Defence managed any conflicts of interest or probity issues on the DSR given 
both Lead’s relationships with Defence and Defence Industry?
9. How many times and on what dates have the Leads providing written or verbal briefings 
or reports on the DSR to the:
a. Prime Minister
b. Defence Minister
c. Finance Minister
d. Minister for Defence Personnel
e. Minister for Defence Industry
f. Assistant Defence Minister
g. Secretary of Defence
h. Chief of the Defence Force
i. National Security Committee
j. National Security Investment Committee
k. Expenditure Review Committee
l. Cabinet
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Answer
1. Selection and appointment of the two DSR Independent Leads was handled by discussion 
between the Secretary of Defence, the Deputy Prime Minister and the two Independent 
Leads. The Deputy Prime Minister asked Professor the Hon Stephen Smith and Air Chief 
Marshal Sir Angus Houston AK AFC to lead the DSR in July 2022. 
2. Refer to question 1. 
3. Refer to question 1. 
4. As per AusTender, the contracts for the Independent Leads are for a possible period of 
eight months from August 2022 to March 2023. The contract value for Sir Angus Houston is 
an estimated maximum value of $470,000 including GST, and is paid in arrears on a monthly 
basis. Professor Smith’s contract has a maximum value of $306,496 including GST, and is paid 
in arrears on a monthly basis. 
5. The remuneration for the Independent Leads takes into account the importance and 
profile of the role, as well as the fact that both leads stood down from or reduced focus on 
other commitments as a consequence of taking on the DSR. Sir Angus Houston’s 
remuneration is appropriate for a former Chief of the Defence Force with extensive 
experience relevant to the role. Professor Smith’s remuneration is appropriate for a former 
Minister for Defence with extensive experience relevant to the role. 
6. The Independent Leads are supported by a small secretariat team from within the 
Department. Established offices within the Defence estate have been utilised for the DSR. 
There has been no requirement to refurbish office space. As of 24 November 2022, 10 
people work in the DSR Secretariat, ranging from the equivalent of an Australian Public 
Service Level Five to a Senior Executive Service Band Two. 
7. The Independent Leads have undertaken domestic and international travel to support the 
development of the Review. The total of all domestic and international commercial travel for 
both of the Independent Leads as at 09 December 2022 is approximately $140,000. Due to 
the integrated nature of Defence support to the DSR, costs are being managed from within 
the Department’s budget. 
8. Standard contractual clauses and Departmental processes are in place to manage conflicts 
of interest and disclosures. After the leads stepped down from a range of other roles, conflict 
of interest arrangements were put in place in respect of the Independent Leads to ensure 
actual, potential or perceived conflicts of interest were addressed. These arrangements 
included comprehensive conflict of interest disclosures and agreement on mitigation 
strategies in respect of each matter raised by the Independent Leads. 
9. The Independent Leads provide regular briefings to Government as appropriate. On 03 
November 2022, the Independent Leads 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
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Senate
Defence Strategic Review
Senator Simon Birmingham
Question
With reference to media reporting in The Australian regarding the Hunter Class and Future 
Submarine programs being excluded from consideration in the DSR, and statements by the 
Minister for Defence Industry that Land 400 Phase 3 is a Cabinet matter:
Please confirm that these programs are not going to be considered as part of the DSR.
Are any other current Defence procurement programs, tender processes, or sustainment 
programs excluded from consideration as part of the DSR; if so, please provide details.
Why weren't exclusions from the DSR identified in the terms of reference, and when was the 
decision made to make exclusions.
What are all the current or announced procurement programs, tender processes, or 
sustainment programs that are being examined in the DSR; please provide an itemised list.
Will any Government decisions on capability be delayed as a result of the DSR, if so, please 
provide details. 
Answer
The Minister representing the Minister for Defence provided the following answer to the 
Senator’s question:
The Defence Strategic Review Terms of Reference make clear that the Independent Leads 
must consider all elements of the Integrated Investment Program.
There have been no changes to the Defence Strategic Review Terms of Reference.
Government does not comment on Defence capability decisions that are pre-Government 
approval.
Senate
Defence Strategic Review
Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham
Question
Which individuals, agencies and other parties (Parties) were consulted in the formation of, 
and continue to be consulted, in relation to, the Defence Strategic Review (DSR) (provide a 
list). How many submissions have been provided to date, will these be made public. Please 
provide documentation relating to the process for selection and appointment of the two DSR 
Independent Leads. What is the total remuneration, reimbursements and costs budgeted for 
the personnel resources working on DSR, and how much has been spent to date. What 
briefings and reports have been provided to the Minister, and the Government, relating to 
these matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Answer
The Minister representing the Minister for Defence has provided the following answer to the 
Senator’s question:
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The Department has facilitated the attached list of consultations (Attachment B) in relation to 
the Defence Strategic Review (DSR) as at 30 September 2022.
Public submissions can be made through the Defence website at 
www.defence.gov.au/about/reviews-inquiries/defence-strategic-review, and are open until 
30 November 2022. The deadline for submissions was extended from 30 October to 30 
November, due to stakeholder requests. As at 11 October 2022, 116 public submissions have 
been received. Public submissions are for the consideration of the Defence Strategic Review 
and will not be made public.
Selection and appointment of the two DSR Independent Leads was handled by discussion 
between the Secretary of the Department, the Deputy Prime Minister and the two 
Independent Leads.
As per AusTender, the contracts for the Independent Leads are for a possible period of eight 
months from August 2022 to March 2023. 
The contract value for Sir Angus Houston is an estimated value of $470,000 including GST, 
and is paid in arrears on a monthly basis. As at 11 October 2022, Defence has paid a total of 
$71,500 including GST to Sir Angus Houston. 
Professor Smith’s contract has a maximum value of $306,496 including GST, and is paid in 
arrears on a monthly basis. As at 11 October 2022, Defence has paid a total of $31,420 to 
Professor Smith.
The Independent Leads are supported by a small secretariat team from within the 
Department. Due to the integrated nature of Defence support to the DSR, costs are being 
managed from within the Department’s budget, and are not being separately accounted. 
Professor Peter Dean is providing external support to the Independent Leads.  The contract 
value for Professor Dean is an estimated value of $283,440, including GST. 
The Independent Leads have provided updates to the Deputy Prime Minister on this matter. 
These updates contain sensitive material and may adversely impact Defence if released 
publicly.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Tom Hamilton
Position: Director Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Group/Service: Defence Strategic Review Implementation Task Force
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000652
Last updated: 16 May 2023
Defence Industry Development Strategy
FOI 789/22/23 
Document 28
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
If pressed: What is the alignment between the 2016 Defence Industry Policy Statement and 
the Defence Industry Development Strategy?

The Defence Industry Development Strategy will evolve the strategic approach to 
defence industry policy to reflect the changing strategic drivers and lessons learnt since 
the release of the 2016 Defence Industry Policy Statement.

The 2016 Defence Industry Policy Statement recognised industry as a 
fundamental input to capability and acknowledged Defence is reliant on a robust, 
resilient, internationally competitive and sovereign defence industrial base. This 
industrial base is fundamental to Defence capability and Australia’s national 
power.

Defence cannot succeed in its mission without an Australian industrial base that is 
able to provide and deliver capability into our supply chains and deliver strategic 
effect.
If pressed: AUKUS Advanced Capabilities and Defence industry

[Please direct any AUKUS Pillar Two questions to Amanda Toms, Acting First Assistant 
Secretary Strategic Policy].
If pressed: Nuclear Powered Submarine Taskforce

[Please direct any Nuclear Powered Submarine questions to Vice Admiral Mead].
If pressed: Has the Defence Industry Development Strategy included Public Consultations?

Over 120 organisations from across Australia have been consulted. Consultations 
included a mix of face-to-face and virtual engagements. They were held:

with State and Territory Governments, primes, small and medium enterprises, 
universities and peak industry groups; and

in every state and territory.

The key themes discussed as part of the consultations included:

attracting and retaining a skilled workforce; 

growing the capacity of our industrial base in areas of priority; and 

harnessing Australian innovation.

Defence may conduct additional consultations as the Defence Industry Development 
Strategy is developed.
If pressed: Why did you not go out for broad public consultation? 

The consultations were designed to elicit feedback on Defence’s industry policy to 
inform the development of the Defence Industry Development Strategy.

It was not intended to be exhaustive, and included representatives from all key 
stakeholder groups.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey

Defence may undertake additional consultations as the Defence Industry 
Development Strategy is developed.
If pressed: What is the cost of developing the Defence Industry Development Strategy? 

The Defence Industry Development Strategy is being developed by Defence staff.

However, Defence engaged an external service provider to assist with some of the 
initial industry consultation. 

The total expenditure for this contract was $229,077.22, including travel.
If pressed: Is there funding in the Defence Industry Development Strategy for programs to 
develop industry, what will happen to existing grant programs? 

The Defence Industry Development Strategy will examine different Government levers 
to support Australian defence industry. It is too early to pre-empt the analysis that will 
inform the Defence Industry Development Strategy.
If pressed: How can entities who were not consulted engage the Department? 

Defence regularly engages with stakeholders, including defence industry, peak bodies 
and State and Territory Governments.
If pressed: What has the consultation told you so far? 

A range of themes have been identified from the consultation, including industry 
requests for:

more clarity from Defence on its industrial capability priorities;

certainty on future demand;

shorter timeframes for, and simplification of, procurement processes; and

consistent communication in a language industry can understand (i.e. do not talk 
in Defence terms but industry terms).
If pressed: When will the Defence Industry Development Strategy be released? 

The Defence Industry Development Strategy will be released in the second part of this 
year.
If pressed: When is the Defence Industry Development Strategy due to be delivered to 
Government? 

It is not appropriate to answer that question as it forms advice to Government.
If pressed: Will the Defence Industry Development Strategy talk about [topic]? 

I do not wish to pre-empt the analysis that will inform the Defence Industry 
Development Strategy.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Background 

Since the 2016 Defence Industry Policy Statement was released, there has been 
significant changes in our security, strategic and business environments. The 
Defence Strategic Review, the establishment AUKUS, as well as the COVID-19 Pandemic 
have underscored the importance of a sovereign industrial base and securing critical 
defence capabilities.

As a result, whilst the key themes of the Defence Industry Policy Statement remain 
appropriate, there is a need to revise the strategic approach to defence industry policy 
to reflect the changing strategic drivers and lessons learnt since the release of the 
Defence Industry Policy Statement.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

2022-23 Budget Estimates October and November: 28 November 2022

In QoN 74, Defence Industry Strategy, Senator Fawcett (Liberal, South Australia) asked 
a range of questions on the development of the Strategy including timing, lead area, 
consultation, funding and links to the Defence Strategic Review.

In QoN 75Defence Industry Package, Senator Fawcett (Liberal, South Australia) asked 
if there are going to be any expenditure to Defence Industry Package related programs 
and if so will the cuts make the current skills shortage in the Defence industry worse.
Inquiry into the management and assurance of integrity by consulting services: 23 March 
2023

In QoN 05, Budget Allocation, Senator Pocock (Greens, South Australia) asked how 
many reports had been commissioned from consultants, and how many had been 
publically released.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In October 2022, a media organisation sought access to documentation under FOI for a 
copy of the current version of Question Time Briefs, including a brief related to the 
Defence Industry Development Strategy. This decision was finalised in December 2022, 
with an agreed version of the Question Time Brief released.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Recent Ministerial Comments 

Address to the Illawarra-Shoalhaven Defence Industry Conference: The Assistant 
Minister for Defence highlighted that the third critical element of the 
Government’s defence reform agenda is the Strategy. 

Address to Defence Industry Dinner 2023: The Deputy Prime Minister highlighted 
the Government’s commitment to delivering a new Strategy.

Address to the ACCI Business Leaders Summit 2022: The Deputy Prime Minister 
highlighted the Labor Government is committed to growing Australia’s industrial 
base to provide the game-changing capabilities we need which is why they have 
commissioned the Strategy.

Speech to Defence Industry Day 2022: The Assistant Minister for Defence 
highlighted the Government’s commitment to delivering a new Strategy.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 23 January 2023, the Australian Defence Magazine interviewed the Minister for 
Defence Industry (MINDI) the Hon. Pat Conroy MP.

On 27 February 2023, The United States Studies Centre published an article, Eight 
Expectations for the AUKUS Announcement, which stated that an “important 
component of the AUKUS costing will be Minister for Defence Industry Pat Conroy’s 
Defence Industry Development Strategy, which will align defence procurement plans 
with Australian industry participation”. 

On 3 March 2023, The Geelong Advertiser published an article, DTC says government 
should pick local winners if it’s serious about a homegrown defence industry, which 
outlined frustrations from companies in the Australian defence supply chain. Minister 
for Defence Industry the Hon. Pat Conroy MP was quoted saying “the Albanese 
Government is committed to spending over 2 per cent of GDP on defence… [t]his 
includes billions on Australian defence industry.

On 16 March 2023, the Australia- China Relations Institute published an article on 
AUKUS, Visionary proposal or pipe dream? AUKUS poses challenges for Australia, which 
included a discussion on Australia’s capacity constraints. It highlighted that while 
“these [capacity] issues being discussed, and will be addressed in a more 
comprehensive fashion in the upcoming Defence Industry Development Strategy. Yet 
they continue to be understated”. 

On 5 April 2023, The Australian published an article, We need advanced technology, 
ready to use and deploy, written by Minister for Defence Industry the Hon. Pat Conroy, 
where he highlighted the “Defence Industry Development Strategy… will set the 
framework and principles for the direction of defence industry policy for what will be a 
consequential decade for Australia’s national security”.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Division:
Defence Industry Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000652
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Dr Kate Cameron, Assistant Secretary 
Kylie Wright, Acting First Assistant Secretary 
Defence Industry Domestic Policy, Defence 
Defence Industry Policy
industry Policy
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 15 May 2023  
Date: 15 May 2023
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 16 May 2023  
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary
Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Budget Estimates

Topic Defence Industry Development Strategy
Senator David Fawcett
Question
On 23 January 2023, the Australian Defence Magazine interviewed the Minister for Defence 
Industry (MINDI) the Hon. Pat Conroy MP.
On 27 February 2023, The United States Studies Centre published an article, Eight 
Expectations for the AUKUS Announcement, which stated that an “important component of 
the AUKUS costing will be Minister for Defence Industry Pat Conroy’s Defence Industry 
Development Strategy, which will align defence procurement plans with Australian industry 
participation”. 
On 3 March 2023, The Geelong Advertiser published an article, DTC says government should 
pick local winners if it’s serious about a homegrown defence industry, which outlined 
frustrations from companies in the Australian defence supply chain. Minister for Defence 
Industry the Hon. Pat Conroy MP was quoted saying “the Albanese Government is committed 
to spending over 2 per cent of GDP on defence… [t]his includes billions on Australian defence 
industry.
On 16 March 2023, the Australia- China Relations Institute published an article on AUKUS, 
Visionary proposal or pipe dream? AUKUS poses challenges for Australia, which included a 
discussion on Australia’s capacity constraints. It highlighted that while “these [capacity] issues 
being discussed, and will be addressed in a more comprehensive fashion in the upcoming 
Defence Industry Development Strategy. Yet they continue to be understated”. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
On 5 April 2023, The Australian published an article, We need advanced technology, ready to 
use and deploy, written by Minister for Defence Industry the Hon. Pat Conroy, where he 
highlighted the “Defence Industry Development Strategy… will set the framework and 
principles for the direction of defence industry policy for what will be a consequential decade 
for Australia’s national security”.
Answer
The Government is developing a new Defence Industry Development Strategy, in line with its 
election commitment. The Strategy will establish the framework for, and articulate the 
principles and direction of, defence industry policy, and will be informed by the Defence 
Strategic Review. The development of the Strategy is currently underway by the Department 
of Defence and has already included consultations with industry and industry associations. It 
is being prepared from within Departmental resources.
Budget Estimates
Topic Defence Industry Development Strategy
Senator David Fawcett
Question
With reference to the Incoming Government Brief; Part 5.1.8, page 84. $151.6 million for a 
Defence Industry Package from 2021-22 to the end of the forward estimates. It includes 
funding for the following programs: School Pathways, Skilling Australia’s Defence Industry 
Grants, Defence Industry Internships, and Sovereign Industrial Capability Priority Grants;
1. Are there going to be any expenditure cuts to below Defence Industry Package related 
programs?
a. School Pathways
b. Skilling Australia’s Defence Industry Grants
c. Defence Industry Internships
d. Sovereign Industry Capability Priority Grants
e. If so, which programs?
2. Does the Department believe that those cuts will make the current skills shortage issue in 
the Defence industry worse?
Answer
No decision has been taken to reduce funding.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
23 March 2023 - Inquiry into the management and assurance of integrity by consulting 
services
Topic Consulting services
Senator Barbara Pocock
Question
How many reports did [agency] commission from consultants in the last three financial years:
a.
Of any reports commissioned in the last three financial years, how many have been 
publicly released (in whole or in part)?
Answer
Defence does not specifically forecast consultancy services spend. The nature of consultancy 
services is intermittent which makes forecasting a full year spend very difficult. Information 
regarding expenditure on consultancy services is published in Defence’s Annual Report.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr Kate Cameron
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Secretary Defence Industry Domestic Policy
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000651
Last updated: 17 May 2023
                          Inquiry into armed conflict decision making 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 29
JSCFADT final report on the ‘Inquiry into international armed conflict decision making.’

Acknowledge the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade has 
released its final report on the ‘Inquiry into international armed conflict decision 
making.’

Thank the Defence Sub-committee for its consideration of this important issue 
following the Deputy Prime Minister’s referral in September 2022.

The Government is considering its formal response in the coming months. 

It would be premature to further comment on the report or its 
recommendations.
If pressed: What is the status of the Government’s response to the JSCFADT inquiry? 

We are currently preparing a draft response for Government consideration.
If pressed: When will Government’s response to the JSCFADT inquiry be tabled?

Following submission to the Government, it is a matter for the Government on the 
suitable time for tabling. 

Stress we are still preparing the response for Government consideration and 
tabling must also follow careful consideration and endorsement by the 
Prime Minister.
If pressed: JSCFADT recommendation for a new Joint Statutory Committee on Defence

It would be premature to further comment on this recommendation.
If pressed : Further on the recommendation to establish a new Joint Statutory Committee on 
Defence


Defence has a long-standing commitment to operating with transparency and 
accountability. 

As part of this commitment, Defence engages with a number of existing parliamentary 
committees that play an oversight role, including the Joint Standing Committee on 
Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade; and the Senate Standing Committees on Foreign 
Affairs, Defence and Trade.

Parliament also has opportunities to scrutinise Executive decision-making relating to 
deployment of the ADF, including through urgency motions, Senate Estimates and 
Question Time. 
If pressed: Other JSCFADT recommendations 

It would be premature to further comment on these recommendations.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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If pressed: Australian Greens Dissenting Report

Understand the Australian Greens have included a dissenting report to the final 
JSFADT report.

It would be premature to comment on this report noting the Government must work 
with Defence to consider its formal response.
If pressed: The Australian Green’s reintroduction of ‘Defence Amendment (Parliamentary 
Approval of Overseas Service) Bill 2020’


Openness and transparency in government are at the heart of any democracy; and 
decisions to commit Australia’s armed forces to international armed conflict are among 
the gravest that a government is required to make. 

Understand the Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Approval of Overseas Service) 
Bill 2020 was restored to the notice paper in July 2022, but the Bill has not changed 
since its previous submission in 2020.

The Bill was not supported by the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Legislation 
Committee in November 2021 for a range of reasons which are set out in the report of 
that Committee. 

Understand The Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Approval of Overseas Service) 
Bill 2020 did not proceed past through the second reading stage in the Senate on 
29 March 2023.
Background 

Since 1985, several draft bills have proposed conferring the authority to go to war from 
the Executive to the Parliament. 

Long-standing Westminster convention allows the Executive to exercise the discretion 
to commit forces to operations overseas. In practice, this power is exercised by the 
Prime Minister and the Cabinet. 

On 30 September 2022, at the Deputy Prime Minister’s referral, the Joint Standing 
Committee established an inquiry into international armed conflict decision-making 
following a referral by the Deputy Prime Minister.

The first public hearing for the inquiry was held on 9 December 2022. Defence 
witnesses included the Vice Chief of the Defence Force; Acting Deputy Secretary 
Strategy, Policy and Industry; Head Military Strategic Commitments; Chief Counsel; 
Acting Deputy Chief of Joint Operations; and Director General Military Legal Service.

The hearing followed a public submission process that closed on 18 November 2022. 
Over 100 submissions were provided to the inquiry, including one from Defence. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 29

On 31 March 2023, the JSCFADT released its final inquiry report which includes seven 
recommendations. While broadly reaffirming the prerogative of the Executive on 
decisions to enter into international armed conflict, the report also outlines potential 
steps, subject to Government agreement, that could facilitate enhanced parliamentary 
debate and awareness following a decision by the Executive to deploy the ADF. 
Attachment A provides the report’s recommendations in full. 

The Government response is currently being drafted and consulted with other relevant 
agencies. The response will then be submitted to the Deputy Prime Minister for 
consideration and then to the Prime Minister for finalisation. Defence continues to 
engage closely with ODPM on timelines.  
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
JSCFADT Inquiry into International Armed Conflict Decision Making: 19 December 2022

QoN 1, International Armed Conflict Decision Making, Senator the Hon David Fawcett 
(Liberal, South Australia) and Julian Hill MP (Labor, Bruce) asked a question about the 
committees report considerations. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments  

At Senate Estimates on 15 February 2023 Senator Wong reiterated the Government’s 
position that decision-making remains with the executive. Relevant excerpts: 
o ‘…the government’s view…is that the decision to commit troops and to deploy 
the ADF…should remain a decision for the executive.’ 
o ‘…we do think parliament has an important role in terms of the scrutiny of 
decision, accountability for the decision and for the conduct of operations.’

Letter from the Deputy Prime Minister to the Chair of the JSCFADT (27 September 
2022) referring Inquiry into International Armed Conflict Decision Making. Relevant 
excerpts:
o ‘[Under] Australia’s Westminster system of government, decisions about the 
deployment of the ADF into international armed conflicts are within the 
prerogative powers of the Executive. I am firmly of the view that these 
arrangements are appropriate and should not be disturbed. They enable the 
duly elected government of the day to act expeditiously on matters of utmost 
national importance in the interests of the safety and security of our nation and 
its people.’
o ‘There is, however, an important role of public discussion and scrutiny, 
including by the Parliament, when the ADF is deployed in hostilities abroad. 
Governments have typically, as a matter of practice rather than necessity, 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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provided explanations to the Parliament of their decisions to deploy the ADF 
into hostilities abroad. This has provided an important opportunity for scrutiny 
by the Parliament of such decisions.’
o ‘I note that the aforementioned practice was substantively strengthened under 
the former Labor Government during Australia’s involvement in the conflict in 
Afghanistan. In 2009, then Defence Minister Faulkner committed to providing 
regular reports on Australia’s involvement in Afghanistan, a practice that was 
subsequently adhered to throughout the life of the former Labor Government. 
The frequency of such statements decreased significantly, however, from 
around 2014 onwards.’
Relevant Media Reporting 
Domestic media reporting was critical in response to comments by the Deputy Prime 
Minister and the Foreign Minister in February2023 that the Government did not support 
war powers reform.

In an article, Can Australia's defence stay independent?, published in the Canberra 
Times on 5 May 2023, journalist Cameron Leckie wrote about the release of the 
Defence Strategic Review. It touches on issues raised by Australians for War Powers 
Reform.  

In an article, Proposed legislative changes accelerate Australia’s lust for war, 
published in the Sydney Sun on 26 April 2023, journalist Bevan Ramsden touches on 
the recommendations released from the recent inquiry into war powers reform.

In an opinion piece, Alison Broinowski | Who makes the call to send us to war should 
Australia be engaged in conflict with China, published in The Mercury on 16 April 
2023, former diplomat Alison Broinowski discusses the recommendations from the 
inquiry.

In an article, Rules of war decision-making and transparency ‘need amending’, 
parliamentary committee says, published in The Australian on 31 March 2023, 
journalist Joe Kelly outlines the report’s key recommendations and debates the rules of 
war decision-making based on the report.

In an article, No veto powers, but parliament should debate when Australia goes to 
war: report, published in The Age on 31 March 2023, journalist Matthew Knot noted 
the release of the joint standing committee’s report, which will be carefully considered 
by Government in due course.

In an article, One person can decide if Australia goes to war. Here's why that needs to 
change
, published in The Age on 20 March 2023, a member of the Australians for War 
Powers organisation draws on the 20th anniversary of the Iraq War to advocate for 
reform to improve transparency, scrutiny and accountability for decision making on 
entering conflict.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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In an article, Labor’s opposition to Iraq war ‘vindicated’, Richard Marles says, published in 
The Guardian on 20 March 2023, journalist Daniel Hurst highlighted comments made 
by DPM Marles in an interview coinciding with the 20th anniversary of the Iraq War. 
Comments by President of the Australian for War Powers Reform organisation Dr 
Alison Broinowski, Greens Senator Jordon Steele-John and independent MP Andrew 
Wilkie were also included, all of which advocated for increased parliamentary control 
over decision making.

In an analysis, What would war with China look like for Australia? Part 2 published in ABC 
News publications on 21 February 2023, journalist John Lyons wrote about what a 
potential war with China would look like. The author made reference to the JSCFADT 
inquiry and critiqued the view that parliament should not have authority to decide on 
Australia’s involvement in conflict.

In an article, Defence says the Parliament should have no say on whether Australia goes to 
war
, published in Crikey on 13 December 2022, journalist Maeve McGregor compares 
Defence’s position with that of war power reform advocates, academics and law 
experts. The articles notes that of the 111 public submissions to the inquiry, only three 
entirely opposed parliamentary oversight or control for decisions on entering armed 
conflict.

In an  article, Call for vote before Aussies sent to war, published in The West Australian 
on 13 December 2022 Tess Ikonomou highlights arguments put forward by the 
Australians for War Powers Reform organisation, which advocate for increased 
transparency of the decision-making process. They argue that top secret information 
would not be compromised if parliamentary debate was held on the issue.

In an article, Government must retain unfettered power to send Australians to war
published in ASPI Strategist publications on 8 December 2022, Tess Ikonomou 
advocates that decisions on the deployment of the ADF should remain the prerogative 
of the Government in line with the constitution and long standing precedent. Agreeing 
with Defence’s submission to the inquiry, the article states that pre-notification of ADF 
deployments to Parliament would put ADF personnel at risk, weaken our reliability 
from ally and partner perspectives, harm deterrence and give advantage to 
adversaries.

In an article, We need to talk about war decisions, published in The Lowy Interpreter 
publications on 8 December 2022, Josh Wilson raises criticisms on past decisions to 
deploy ADF into armed conflict and notes historical examples to argue that change to 
current arrangement is necessary. It also notes that similar reforms have been pursued 
in other democracies such as the US and UK.

In an article, War decisions must not change: Defence, published The West Australian on 
6 December 2022, Tess Ikonomou outlines the arguments put forward by Defence at 
the JSCFADT inquiry and notes that the Greens remain committed to introducing war 
power legislation. (Syndicated)

In an article, The way to keep Australia out of a losing war in our region, published in the 
Canberra Times on 22 October 2022, Alison Broinowski notes the Deputy Prime 
Prepared By:
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Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
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Minister’s letter of referral for the JSCFADT inquiry and states that positions on War 
Powers reform vary across parties.
Division: 
Strategic Policy Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000651
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Hugh Passmore, a/AS, Strategic Policy and 
Air Commodore Matt Hegarty, a/FAS, 
Guidance
Strategic Policy
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 15 May 2023
Date: 15 May 2023  
Consultation:  International Policy Division
Date:  10 May 2023 
s47E(d)
, AS Global Partners
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Consultation:  Defence Legal Division
Date:  10 May 2023  
Anna Rudziejewski, Defence General Council Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Consultation:  Joint Support Services
Date:  10 May 2023  
Air Commodore Patrick Keane, Director 
Mob:s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
General Military Legal Service
Consultation:  Military Strategic 
Date:  10 May 2023
Commitments
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Commodore Don Dezentje, Director General 
Military Strategic Commitments
Consultation:  Joint Operations Command
Date:  10 May 2023
Commodore Peter Leavy, Chief of Staff HQ 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
 
Joint Operations Command
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A  
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date: 16 May 2023  
Hugh Jeffrey, DEPSEC, Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
JSCFADT Inquiry into International Armed Conflict Decision Making

Senator the Hon David Fawcett and Julian Hill MP
Question
SENATOR FAWCETT: ‘I'd welcome Defence's views, on notice, as to how they could see [a 
process similar to PJCIS, as recommended by the November 2018 JSCFADT report] informing, 
in a timely and classified manner, the two parties of government so that a decision to deploy 
troops actually had a degree of parliamentary oversight in a controlled manner, which would 
give the public the same confidence that they have around the operation of our national 
intelligence agencies.’
JULIAN HILL MP: ‘My supplementary question is: if the committee was of a mind to consider 
such a proposal, what might be the considerations which, from a security and defence point 
of view, we would need to be cognisant of?’
Answer
Defence has a longstanding commitment to operating with transparency and with 
accountability. As part of this commitment, Defence already engages with a number of 
existing parliamentary committees that play an oversight role, including the Joint Standing 
Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade; and the Senate Standing Committees on 
Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. Parliament also has opportunities to scrutinise Executive 
decision-making relating to deployment of the ADF, including through urgency motions, 
Senate Estimates and Question Time.
The role and functions of the PJCIS are constituted under Part 4 and Schedule 1 of the 
Intelligence Services Act 2001 (the Act). The primary functions of the PJCIS are to review of 
the administration and expenditure of specific intelligence agencies and to review the 
operation of specific legislation. The activities of the Committee are limited and must not 
require the disclosure of operationally or otherwise sensitive information. Committee 
membership is comprised of 11 members, five of whom must be Senators and six of whom 
must be members of the House of Representatives, with the majority of Committee 
members required to be from Government. 
The establishment of an additional parliamentary committee to inform, and provide 
parliamentary oversight of, decisions to deploy the ADF beyond existing arrangements is a 
matter for the Government and Parliament. As stated in Defence’s submission, Defence 
assesses that current Executive-led decision-making arrangements, as they relate to ADF 
deployments into international armed conflicts, remain appropriate. 
Relevant security factors in considering any proposal to establish a PJCIS-like body would 
include the critical importance of maintaining timely and flexible decision-making for ADF 
deployments, and ensuring the ongoing confidentiality of highly classified information. Any 
such proposal would also need to consider the potential impacts on the ADF’s operational 
security; the ADF’s relative strategic and tactical advantages over adversaries; and Australia’s 
international credibility as a security and intelligence partner.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Hugh Passmore
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Strategic Policy and Guidance
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Attachment A – JSCFADT List of Recommendations
Attachment 1
Recommendation 1
The Committee recommends that in implementing these recommendations the Government 
reaffirm that decisions regarding armed conflict including war or warlike operations are 
fundamentally a prerogative of the Executive, while acknowledging the key role of parliament 
in considering such decisions, and the value of improving the transparency and 
accountability of such decision-making and the conduct of operations.
Recommendation 2
The Committee recommends that the Cabinet Handbook be amended to clarify that:
• Executive power in relation to armed conflict and the deployment of military force
flows from section 61 of the Constitution
• In the modern era, Executive power is in practice exercised collectively via the
National Security Committee of the Cabinet, whose decisions can be given effect via 
section 8 of the Defence Act or by advice to the Governor-General as Commander in 
Chief under section 68 of the Constitution
• In the event of war or warlike operations:
o It is preferable that section 68 of the Constitution be utilised, particularly in
relation to conflicts that are not supported by resolution by the United Nations 
Security Council, or an invitation of a sovereign nation given that complex 
matters of legality in public international law may arise in respect of an overseas 
commitment of that nature
o A written Statement be published and tabled in the Parliament setting out the
objectives of such major military operations, the orders made and its legal basis
Recommendation 3
The Committee recommends the Government include a new section in the Cabinet 
Handbook outlining expectations for practices to be followed in the event of a decision to 
engage in major international armed conflict including war or warlike operations. This should 
include:
• a requirement that the Parliament be recalled as soon as possible to be advised,
unless this was not possible due to extenuating and appropriate circumstances (e.g., it 
was unsafe for the Parliament to meet due to conflict)
• a requirement that the Executive facilitate a debate in both Houses of Parliament at
the earliest opportunity, either prior to deployment of the Australian Defence Force or 
within thirty (30) days of deployment. Debate should occur after a formal ministerial 
statement is made which explains the reasons for the operation, based on the 2010 
Gillard model, as well as a statement of compliance with international law and advice 
as to the legality of the operation
These practices should contain the caveat that the Governor-General is able to approve 
deferral of any of these requirements in specific circumstances, such as high risks to national 
security or imminent threat to Australian territories or civilian lives.
Recommendation 4
The Committee recommends the Government introduce standing resolutions of both Houses 
of Parliament to establish Parliament’s expectations in relation to accountability for decisions 
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in relation to international armed conflict, providing for sensible exemptions to enable timely 
Attachment 1
and flexible national security responses and requiring at a minimum that, when war or warlike 
operations are occurring:
• a Statement to both Houses of Parliament be made at least annually from the Prime
Minister and Government Senate Leader and debate facilitated
• an Update to both Houses of Parliament be provided at other times during the year (at
least twice) from the Minister for Defence and Minister representing the Minister for 
Defence in the other Chamber and debate facilitated
These practices should be replicated in the Cabinet Handbook.
Recommendation 5
The Committee recommends the Government:
• revert to a traditional approach whereby Defence white papers and national security or
strategy updates should be tabled in both Houses of Parliament within 30 days of their 
presentation to the Minister
• consider and apply mechanisms to codify this practice, such as embedding them in
the Cabinet Handbook or by Standing Resolutions of both Houses of Parliament
Recommendation 6
The Committee recommends the Government introduce legislation to establish a Joint 
Statutory Committee on Defence to supersede and enhance the Defence related functions 
currently undertaken by the Joint Standing Committee of Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. 
This committee should have its powers set out in legislation, including oversight and 
accountability functions in relation to the Australian Defence Force, the Department of 
Defence and specified portfolio agencies including:
• scrutiny of Defence portfolio annual reports
• consideration of white papers, strategy, planning and contingencies
• scrutiny of Defence capability development, acquisitions, and sustainment
• consideration of matters relating to Defence personnel and veterans’ affairs
• inquiry into matters referred by the Minister for Defence or either House of Parliament
• general parliamentary oversight of war or warlike operations, including ongoing
conflicts and involvement in significant non-conflict-related operations domestically 
and internationally
The proposed committee should be explicitly permitted to request and receive classified 
information and general intelligence briefings while also being subject to clear legislative 
constraints to its mandate, including restrictions on access to:
• individual domestic intelligence reports
• intelligence sourced from foreign intelligence bodies where such provision would
breach international agreements
• detail regarding operational matters or information regarding highly sensitive
capabilities or protected identities, except where specifically authorised by the Minister 
for Defence
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Statutory restrictions should be placed on members, their staff (one of whom should be able 
Attachment 1
to obtain a security clearance at minimum NV2 level) and secretariat staff regarding the 
disclosure or publication of classified information with appropriate penalties including 
imprisonment for breaches.
Notwithstanding the proposed committee’s powers and ability to receive and request 
classified briefings, the legislation should also provide that the Minister for Defence should 
have an overarching power to veto the provision of any classified information to the 
committee whenever the Minister considers that the provision of the classified information in 
question would compromise national security.
The committee’s membership should be appointed by the Prime Minister, and, in consultation 
with the Leader of the Opposition, constituted by:
• Six Government members and five non-Government members, with a minimum of:
o One Government Member of the House and one Government Senator
o One Opposition Member of the House and one Opposition Senator
• One Government Member as committee chair
The Prime Minister and Minister for Defence should be provided with the ability to authorise 
specified members of Parliament (Ministers or senior Opposition Shadow Ministers) to be 
part of particular meetings, briefings or activities of the committee, during which they would 
not be considered members of the committee but would be able to participate subject to the 
same statutory restrictions regarding the disclosure or publication of classified information as 
committee members.
Recommendation 7
The Committee recommends that, subject to Recommendation 6, the Cabinet Handbook 
codify an expectation that the Prime Minister or Minister for Defence will facilitate appropriate 
briefings of the Defence Committee regarding the conduct of significant military operations, 
subject to ongoing national security considerations as determined by the Prime Minister and 
Minister for Defence. This would include necessary authorisations to enable Ministers or 
senior Opposition Shadow Ministers to participate in such meetings.
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This work is being progressed as a priority and any legislative proposals will be 
introduced by the Government as soon as possible.

All Defence personnel are required to acknowledge the applicable laws of the 
Commonwealth. This acknowledgment includes specific references to the applicability 
of law and policy post-employment. 

On leaving Defence, personnel sign a Declaration of Secrecy on Cessation of Duties that 
reinforces that they are still under an obligation not to disclose official information to 
any unauthorised person. 

Former Defence personnel who retain a security clearance also continue to have 
security and reporting obligations. 

Australian law already criminalises certain actions relating to involvement with a 
foreign military, but whether any of these offenses would apply would be a matter for 
the Attorney-General’s Department and law enforcement agencies.

Defence is working with the Counter Foreign Interference Taskforce in the Australian 
Security Intelligence Organisation to support their investigations and prevent any 
compromise of Defence information.

For national security reasons, Defence is not able to provide details of the 
investigations in an unclassified forum.  
If pressed: What did the Defence inquiry find?

As the inquiry report is classified, Defence cannot comment on the recommendations 
specifically, but in general terms the inquiry made eight recommendations related to: 

strengthening internal Defence training and employment security policies;

expanding outreach with the veteran community to ensure they understand their 
enduring obligations; and 

establishing channels for former Defence personnel to report security incidents 
or seek personal security advice.

The Inquiry’s ninth recommendation related to developing, with other departments 
and agencies, legislation to provide the Government with greater ability to control and 
prevent the transfer of sensitive Defence information to foreign militaries.
If pressed: What has the Deputy Prime Minster done with the report?

The Deputy Prime Minister directed Defence to implement the inquiry 
recommendations as a priority, which Defence is currently doing.

Defence has completed work on four of the nine recommendations, and expects that 
the remainder will be closed by October.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter West
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: First Assistant Secretary
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: : s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If pressed: What legislative changes is Defence preparing?

Defence is working with other departments and agencies on draft legislation for 
Government consideration, and introduction as soon as possible. 

The legislative approach has not yet been finalised with Government, so Defence is not 
able to provide details on the draft legislation. 

Defence is also working with other departments and agencies to review and strengthen 
existing legislation. 
If pressed: How does Defence protect against the Foreign Intelligence Service threat? 

Defence has a range of security policies and procedures to protect its personnel, 
information, capabilities and assets from intelligence collection.

Defence is working with national security agencies to provide information on this threat 
to Defence personnel and encourage reporting on any contacts of concern, by both 
current and former ADF members.
If pressed: Security checks prior to and during employment 

For all Defence personnel, the personnel security clearance vetting process evaluates 
risks related to ‘external loyalties, influences and associations’.

As part of the security vetting process, Defence personnel acknowledge applicable laws 
of the Commonwealth relating to official secrecy. 

Defence personnel and security clearance holders have an obligation to report any 
approaches or contacts with a foreign national that seems suspicious, unusual or 
persistent in any way, or that becomes ongoing. 

Outgoing personnel are reminded of their continuing obligations under the Crimes Act 
1914 and other relevant legislation, prior to cessation of employment. 

Defence service providers or contractors that have access to classified information 
must hold an appropriate security clearance, which requires acknowledgment of the 
applicable laws of the Commonwealth including official secrecy. 
Background 
Defence Inquiry Recommendations 

Defence provided the inquiry report to the Deputy Prime Minister on 
14 December 2022, who endorsed all recommendations and directed Defence to 
implement the inquiry recommendations as a priority. 

In-line with the review findings, Defence is also preparing new legislation to provide the 
Government with greater ability to control and prevent the transfer of sensitive 
Defence information to foreign militaries. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter West
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: First Assistant Secretary
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: : s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Security Vetting Checks

The vetting ‘external loyalties, influences and associations’ assessment involves an 
examination of connections or associations with:

foreign entities; or

individuals or groups of a national security concern whose activities are contrary 
to Australia’s national interests.
Timeline of Significant Events

07 February 2023, the Prime Minister wrote to the Deputy Prime Minister agreeing to 
legislative reform. Defence is currently progressing this work. 

29 January 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister wrote to the Prime Minister seeking 
authority to bring forward legislation. 

14 December 2022, Defence provided the inquiry report to the Office of the Deputy 
Prime Minister. 

28 October 2022, Defence provided the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister with Terms 
of Reference for an internal inquiry into the adequacy of current policies and 
procedures to prevent and discourage the recruitment of former Australian Defence 
Force personnel by hostile foreign actors. 

21 October 2022, Defence provided classified advice to the Office of the Deputy Prime 
Minister on foreign actors targeting former Australian Defence Force personnel.

19 October 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister directed Defence to investigate claims 
former ADF personnel may have been approached to provide military training to 
foreign agencies. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


QoN 1897, Former ADF personnel training other countries, Senator David Shoebridge 
(Greens, New South Wales) asked six questions regarding personnel training other 
countries.  
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 4, Defence awareness of ex-ADF personnel training, Senator James Paterson 
(Liberal, Victoria) asked when Defence became aware of issues with ex-ADF personnel 
training.
Freedom of Information Requests 

On 24 February 2023 Defence received a request from lawyers acting on behalf of an 
individual, for a copy of the report into the adequacy of its policies and procedures 
concerning the employment of former ADF personnel commissioned by the Defence 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter West
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: First Assistant Secretary
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: : s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000412
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Attempts to recruit former ADF pilots
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
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Minister Richard Marles in November 2022.  Access to the documentation was denied. 
Correspondence advising of denial of request was released on 28 March 2023.

On 15 February 2023, Defence received a request from lawyers acting on behalf of an 
individual, for all documents pertaining to the request for information or assistance 
made by the United States of America on 23 June 2016 to Australia in relation Mr 
Daniel Edmund Duggan (‘the Request’), to which Australia responded on 14 March 
2018.  Access to the documentation was denied under Section 7(2A)(a)(vi) of the 
Freedom of Information Act 1982, as documents requested were considered exempt 
intelligence agency documents. The FOI was considered as withdrawn.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 15 February 2023, during an interview with Ben Fordham 2GB, The Deputy Prime 
Minister announced the establishment of new legislation as a recommendation of the 
inquiry.
Relevant Media Reporting

Australian media has reported extensively on foreign actors targeting Defence 
personnel.

On 26 March 2023, The Guardian reported on Australia’s inspector general of 
intelligence and security launching a formal investigation into the ongoing 
incarceration of Daniel Duggan.

On 20 March 2023, The Guardian and Reuters reported on concerns put forward by 
Daniel Duggan’s legal team regarding a fair trial in the United States, and concerns 
Australian Security Intelligence Organisation was involved in luring Mr Duggan back to 
Australia through provision of a security clearance.

On 09 and 10 November 2022 multiple outlets reported on statement about 
examination of adequacy of current Defence policies and procedures.

On 18 October 2022 multiple outlets reported on the threat alert disseminated by the 
UK and their confirmed concerns around ex-members’ recruitment to foreign 
militaries.
Division:
Security Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000412
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Simon Buckley, Assistant Secretary, Security  Peter West, First Assistant Secretary, 
Policy and Services
Security Division
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter West
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: First Assistant Secretary
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: : s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000412
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Attempts to recruit former ADF pilots
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
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Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 03 April 2023  
Consultation:  N/A
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 11 April 2023  
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary, Security and Estate
Questions on notice referred to within the brief: 
2022-23 Budget estimates 
Defence awareness of ex-ADF personnel training
Senator James Paterson
Question:
CHAIR: Has the department been made aware from allies or other countries of this 
behaviour? 
Mr West: We are aware of the press reporting out of the UK and the fact that they have 
highlighted these security risks, but it wouldn't be appropriate to comment on the details of 
the investigation and any cooperation with allies. 
CHAIR: But you are aware, okay. And was this something that the department was made 
aware of before it made it to the media? 
Ms Perkins: Yes, Chair. 
Senator PATERSON: I acknowledge the Deputy Prime Minister's statement this morning and 
the sensitivity of these issues. I also acknowledge that the opposition has been offered a 
briefing on this, and I'm appreciative of that, on behalf of opposition members. But I do just 
want to ask some follow-up questions, given the chair has opened up this issue for 
questioning, and I'm grateful that you've been candid in your responses to him. Just on that 
last question that you answered from him, to be clear, the department was aware of this 
issue before the press reports in the Australian? 
Ms Perkins: Yes, Senator. 
Senator PATERSON: When did the department first hear about this issue? 
Ms Perkins: I might take that on notice, Senator, both to be precise but also to engage with 
other security agencies on how much they're prepared to share.
Answer
Defence first became aware of this issue as a result of a security report submitted on 29 June 
2021.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Peter West
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: First Assistant Secretary
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Security
Group/Service: Security and Estate
Phone: : s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
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Australia and China agreed that it was important to rebuild trust and continue 
defence dialogue. 

Our goal continues to be the stabilisation of the bilateral relationship.
If pressed: Will there be further engagement with the People’s Liberation Army? 

Australia is seeking further dialogue through the Secretary/CDF Defence Strategic 
Dialogue. 

Further dialogue is key to stabilising the relationship.

No further commitments have been made.
s33(a)(iii)
China’s expanding presence and growing military capabilities 

[Refer to SB23-000499 Regional Military Trends for greater detail on China’s military 
capabilities.]

Defence closely monitors military capability developments in the region, including 
those of China.

China’s military build-up is now the largest and most ambitious of any country since the 
end of the Second World War. 

This build-up is occurring without transparency or reassurance to the Indo-Pacific 
region of China’s strategic intent. 

China’s assertion of sovereignty over the South China Sea threatens the global 
rules-based order in the Indo-Pacific in a way that adversely impacts Australia’s 
national interests. 

China is also engaged in strategic competition in Australia’s near neighbourhood.

Australia wants to see China exercise its power in a way that enhances stability, and 
reinforces the international rules-based order.

We expect Beijing to be transparent about its capability and intentions.
If pressed: People’s Liberation Army attempted recruitment of ADF pilots

[Deferral to Deputy Secretary Security and Estate Group for specifics on the review 
requested by the Deputy Prime Minister.]  
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
Document 31
Recent United States interaction with Chinese surveillance balloon 

We share the United States concerns about the presence of foreign surveillance aircraft 
in US sovereign airspace without permission and appreciate US efforts to manage this 
issue in a careful way. 

Australia remained in close contact with US counterparts as the high altitude Chinese 
balloon tracked across the continental United States.
If pressed: How would Australia respond if there were a similar occurrence over Australia? 

Not going to comment on a hypothetical scenario, but the Government would respond 
to protect our sovereign interests. 
Taiwan

Australia remains committed to our one China policy, and our approach to Taiwan has 
not changed. 

In accordance with our one China policy, Australia does not have a military-military or 
defence relationship with Taiwan.

Any resolution of cross-Strait differences should be peaceful and in accordance with 
the will of the people on both sides, without resorting to threats or coercion.

 [For further information refer to SB23-000468 Taiwan.]
ADF activities in the South China Sea

The ADF has a long history of operating in the South China Sea as part of Australia’s 
robust program of international engagement with countries in and around the region.

Our position on the South China Sea is consistent and clear. 

We continue to speak up – and act – in our national interest, to support a region 
which is open, secure and prosperous.

In 2022, the ADF undertook routine port visits, routine maritime surveillance flights, 
and cooperative activities with partners, and transits to and between Southeast and 
North Asia. 

We will continue to conduct these activities across 2023.

Our cooperative activities have included combined maritime activities with the 
United States, Japan and Canada. These activities are always conducted in 
accordance with international law. 

We have a substantial interest in the stability of the South China Sea and the norms and 
laws that govern it.

83 per cent of Australian merchandise trade [by value] is carried by sea.  
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
Document 31

Our operations support these freedoms and underpin prosperity by ensuring 
waterways are open for trade.

ADF vessels and aircraft exercise Australia’s rights under international law to freedom 
of navigation and overflight, including in the South China Sea.

In the current environment, it is vital parties refrain from destabilising actions as these 
have the potential to provoke escalation. 

All parties should comply with international law, particularly the United Nations 
Convention on the Law of the Sea.
If asked: Has the ADF experienced recent unsafe encounters with the People’s Liberation 
Army?

The People’s Liberation Army’s expansion in size and operating areas means the ADF is 
operating in closer contact with the People’s Liberation Army more often. 

The ADF’s priority at all times is to conduct activities safely and professionally, 
and in accordance with international law.

Sometimes, we do have concerns and have experienced unsafe and 
unprofessional behaviour by the People’s Liberation Army. 

When this occurs, we raise our concerns with China directly, both in Beijing and 
Canberra, including at ministerial level. 

In response to an unsafe intercept of a RAAF P-8 Poseidon maritime surveillance 
aircraft on 26 May 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister stated publicly [6 June 2022] that 
this was a ‘very dangerous’ incident, in which the Australian P-8 crew ‘responded 
professionally and in a manner which would make us all feel proud.’
Are Australia’s activities in the South China Sea intended to send a message to China?

No. The ADF conducts regional presence activities as a matter of course, and has 
operated in the South China Sea for decades. 

Our deployments are not directed at any particular country.
Is China militarising the South China Sea?

We regularly raise our concerns with China about the militarisation of disputed features 
in the South China Sea through diplomatic channels. 

As well as actions to disrupt other countries’ resource exploitation activities and the 
dangerous and coercive use of coast guard vessels and so called ‘maritime militias’.
Are Australia’s activities in the South China Sea contributing to tensions in the region?

ADF vessels and aircraft have been operating in the South China Sea for decades.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
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Our pattern of activities has been longstanding and consistent, and reflect Australia’s 
commitment to the rules and norms that are vital to the stability and prosperity of the 
region.
Is the Government response to the Defence Strategic Review aimed at China?

The Government’s response to the Defence Strategic Review is not directed at a 
specific country, but at the maintenance of regional stability.

The Government’s response to the Review is about shaping a region that reflects our 
national interests and our shared regional interests.

Those interests lie in a region that operates by rules, standards and norms.

A stable relationship between Australia and China is in the interests of both 
countries and the broader region.
Background

On 24 April 2023, a spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Mao Ning, was 
asked for China’s reaction to the release of the Defence Strategic Review in a routine 
press conference. Mao stated: “China pursues a defensive national defense policy and 
stays committed to peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific and the wider world. We do 
not pose a challenge to any country. We hope certain countries will not use China as an 
excuse for military build-up and will refrain from hyping up the “China threat” 
narrative.”

On Wednesday 22 March 2023, the Department of Defence hosted a delegation from 
the People’s Liberation Army in Canberra for a half day Defence Coordination Dialogue.

This was the first official dialogue between the Department of Defence and the 
People’s Liberation Army since 2019.

The Deputy Prime Minister has not yet met with the current Minister of National 
Defense, General Li Shangfu.

The Deputy Prime Minister has met with General Wei, former Chinese Minister of 
National Defense on two occasions – at the Shangri-La Dialogue (12 June 2022) and at 
the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Defence Ministers Meeting Plus 
(22 November 2022).

The Prime Minister met President Xi on 15 November 2022 at the G20, discussing a 
range of issues including Taiwan, Xinjiang and trade sanctions.

The Foreign Minister met with China’s former State Councillor and Minister of 
Foreign Affairs, Wang Yi, in Beijing on 21 December 2022.

The last Secretary/CDF-level Defence Strategic Dialogue was held in Sydney on 
14 November 2019. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
Document 31

At 0641 Sunday 5 February 2023 AEDT, the US military downed a high-altitude balloon 
originating from China within US territorial waters. The balloon had been tracking 
across the United States for several days, including above sensitive US military facilities. 
s33(a)(iii)
.

The ADF undertook five maritime South China Sea transits in 2022: 13-14 February-
HMAS Arunta and USS Ralph Johnson (bilateral with the United States), 
14-15 March-HMAS Arunta, USS Momsen and JS Yuudachi (trilateral with the 
United States and Japan), 2-3 June – HMAS Parramatta (unilateral), 10-11 July – HMAS 
Sydney (unilateral) and 4-5 October – HMA Ships Arunta, Hobart and Stalwart with 
HMCS Winnipeg, JS Suzutsuki, JS Kirisame, USS Higgins and USS Milius (coordinated 
activity in multiple task groups over two days with Canada, Japan and the 
United States).

On 15 November 2022, ABC News reported two Australian warships had been closely 
tracked by the People’s Liberation Army in October while transiting the South China Sea 
with the United States and Japan, but noted Defence’s comment that all interactions 
were safe and professional. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In November 2022, an individual sought access under FOI to documents on expected 
Australian casualties in the event of a war between the United States and China 
received by the Minister for Defence and/or his office. No documents were found to be 
within scope. 
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 4 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to queries about a Chinese 
spy balloon, commenting “he was unaware of any such Chinese surveillance across 
Australian skies” and that this was “an issue being managed between the US and 
China” and on 5 February 2023 said that “Chinese violation of sovereignty was a 
serious matter for which China needed to provide further explanation".

On 17 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to a question about 
military conduct in the South China Sea in an interview with ABC News.

On 6 December 2022, following the Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 
(AUSMIN) in Washington DC, Ministers Marles and Wong and Secretaries Blinken and 
Austin issued a joint statement reiterating their strong opposition to destabilising 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
Document 31
actions in the South China Sea, including attempts to disrupt freedom of navigation, 
militarisation of disputed features and dangerous encounters at sea and in the air.

On 30 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister stated that disputes in the South 
China Sea should be resolved through peaceful negotiation. 
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 25 April 2023, Sky News reported on China’s response to the release of the 
Defence Strategic Review. This report included a statement from Chinese Foreign 
Ministry’s spokeswoman Mao Ning saying that “’some countries’ should stop using 
China as an excuse to boost its military and not ‘hype up’ baseless Chinese threat 
theories”.

On 06 March 2023, The Australian reported on comments from Chief of Air Force and 
Air Commander Australia on unsafe interactions in the South China Sea, which included 
the false claim that Australia pre-notifies China of sensitive operational activities.

From 04-06 February 2023, the Australian Financial Review, The Australian and other 
outlets reported on a Chinese surveillance balloon operating over United States skies, 
the United States shooting down this balloon on 5 February and on United States and 
Australian responses to this incident.  

On 30 November 2022, The Washington Post and ABC News reported on the release 
of the United States Department of Defense Annual Report to Congress – Military and 
Security Developments involving the People’s Republic of China 2022. The Report refers 
to the unsafe intercept of an ADF P-8A aircraft in 2022, highlighting that chaff released 
from China’s J-16 aircraft was ingested into the engine of the our P-8A. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Supplementary Estimates: May 2023 
PDR No: SB23-000413
Last updated: 15 May 2023 
        China and South China Sea 
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnson; Hugh Jeffrey 
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Division:
International Policy  
PDR No: 
SB23-000077
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Director East Asia, International 
Samantha Higgins, Acting First Assistant 
Policy Division 
Secretary International Policy
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s47E(d)
   Ph: s22
 
Date: 12 May 2023
Date:  15 May 2023
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date: 01 May 2023
Amy Hawkins, Deputy Lead Defence Strategic 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Review
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 16 May 2023  
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary
Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director, East Asia
Position: Deputy Secretary
Branch: Americas, United Kingdom and East Asia 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
    
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000414
Last updated: 27 April 2023
    
            Climate Change
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
Document 32

If climate change accelerates over the coming decades it has the potential to 
significantly increase risk in our region.

s33(a)(i)

The Defence Strategic Review also notes that climate events already place concurrency 
pressures on the ADF and this has negatively affected force preparedness, readiness 
and combat effectiveness.

Defence is frequently required to make large contributions to domestic disaster 
relief efforts as well as support to the civil community.

Defence is not structured or appropriately equipped to act as a domestic disaster 
recovery agency concurrently with its core function, in any sustainable way.

Government has agreed-in-principle to the Defence Strategic Review recommendation 
that Defence should be the last resort for domestic aid to the civil community, except 
in extreme circumstances.

During a natural disaster, States or Territories can request Commonwealth assistance, 
including ADF assistance, through the National Emergency Management Agency. Such 
requests are known as Defence Assistance to the Civil Community. 

This occurred most recently during the 2022-2023 floods in New South Wales, 
Queensland and Western Australia.

The ADF will continue to provide regional Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief 
while managing the risks of concurrency pressures. For further information on ADF 
preparedness refer to SB23-000443.
What is Defence’s position on climate change? 

The Defence Strategic Review states that climate change is a national security issue, 
recognising the importance of building national resilience to overcome the challenges 
from climate change.

Defence supports the Government in implementing its agenda. This includes reducing 
emissions, accelerating our transition to clean energy, adapting to a changing 
environment, and building resilience against more frequent and severe weather events.

The 2016 Defence White Paper identified climate change as one of the causes of state 
fragility and a key driver of Australia’s security environment to 2035 and beyond.

The 2020 Defence Strategic Update and 2020 Force Structure Plan enhanced planning 
and investment to increase strategic lift, situational awareness and resilience for both 
domestic and regional disaster relief operations.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000414
Last updated: 27 April 2023
    
            Climate Change
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
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What is Defence doing to address and mitigate climate change?

Defence’s role, consistent with Government policy, is to:

Ensure our capabilities can perform well amidst the impacts of climate change. 

Prepare for long-term challenges, including from greater demands for disaster 
relief in a more competitive security environment.

Look for opportunities to lower our environmental footprint in ways that also 
deliver operational benefits.

The Defence Strategic Review recognises that the clean energy transition will be critical 
for decarbonisation efforts.

Defence will accelerate its transition to clean energy, as directed by the 
Defence Strategic Review, with a plan to be presented to the Government by 
2025.

Defence tracks its greenhouse gas emissions and has a variety of initiatives under way, 
including testing alternate fuel sources with lower emissions profiles and changes to 
land management practices. Refer to SB23-000424 – Climate Risk Mitigation and 
Adaptation for further information on emissions.

For example, at exercise Pitch Black 2022, Defence announced it would build two solar 
farms at RAAF Base Darwin and Robertson Barracks in the Northern Territory that will 
provide up to 40 per cent of each base’s power requirements. 

At the 2022 Australia – United States Ministerial Consultations held on 
06 December 2022 in Washington, Australia and the United States committed to 
pursuing action on climate change as a pillar of the United States-Australia Alliance.

The Australian Department of Defence and the United States Department of 
Defense will strengthen information sharing and exchange best practices to 
accelerate progress towards climate resiliency objectives. 

At the 2023 Australia-United Kingdom Ministerial Consultations held on 
02 February 2023 in Portsmouth, Australia and the United Kingdom committed to 
reducing and mitigating the climate impacts of our respective defence activities.

The Australian Department of Defence and United Kingdom Ministry of Defence 
will hold a senior officials meeting in 2023.
How does Defence support the region in addressing climate change?

Defence works with our Pacific partners to enhance their resilience, including through 
infrastructure development that is environmentally sustainable, climate resilient and 
supports Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief activity.

Working with the Republic of Fiji, Defence planned and redeveloped the 
Blackrock Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief Camp.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
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Environmentally sustainable design features were incorporated into all aspects of 
the redevelopment.

Defence also supports our region in extreme weather events and natural disaster relief.

For example, the ADF recently provided assistance to the Republic of Vanuatu 
following Tropical Cyclones Judy and Kevin in March 2023.

Defence will continue to play an important role in humanitarian assistance.

Defence’s Pacific Support Vessel, ADV Reliant, will provide additional capability to 
respond to the priorities of Pacific countries, building regional resilience and 
facilitating humanitarian assistance and disaster management relief.
What is Defence’s role in disaster relief?

The ADF’s primary responsibility is to defend Australia and its national interest.

ADF capabilities are used to provide Defence Assistance to the Civil Community and 
Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief support as directed by the Government. 

Defence has established an Emergency Support Force in each state and territory. This 
force, comprising about 130 ADF members, can provide command and control, 
engineering, transport and logistics functions.
Background 
Timeline of Significant Events.

On 24 April 2023, the Defence Strategic Review was released by the Prime Minister.

On 02 February 2023 the most recent Australia-United Kingdom Ministerial 
Consultation was held in Portsmouth, United Kingdom.

On 06 December 2022 the most recent Australia-United States Ministerial 
Consultations was held at the Pentagon.

In November 2022 the Office of National Intelligence led national climate assessment 
was delivered to the office of the Prime Minister.

On 13 September 2022 the Climate Change Bill 2022 passed through both the Houses 
of Parliament and received Royal assent.

On 22 June 2022, the Office of National Intelligence was publically announced as the 
appointed lead agency on the national climate assessment.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 27 April 2023
    
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
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Office of National Intelligence Climate Risk Assessment

In line with the Government’s pre-election commitment, Office of National Intelligence 
coordinated a national assessment on the implications of climate change for Australia’s 
national security. 

s33(a)(i)

The national assessment has been delivered to the Prime Minister.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

In June 2022, a media organisation sought access under Freedom of Information to 
correspondence and briefings between the new Defence Minister and Defence on the 
security implications of climate change, and how Defence can respond. It was closed as 
the only relevant document, the Incoming Government Brief, was released under a 
separate Freedom of Information request.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 03 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister released the Joint Statement on 
Australia-United Kingdom Ministerial Consultations, committing to reducing and 
mitigating the climate impacts of our respective defence activities.

On 08 December 2022, the Minister for Home Affairs delivered a National Press Club 
address noting the Department of Home Affairs will develop a cross-government 
picture on the domestic implications of the climate and security environment.

On 07 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister released the Joint Statement on 
Australia-U.S. Ministerial Consultations 2022, committing to pursuing urgent action on 
climate change as a new pillar of the United States-Australia Alliance.

On 04 August 2022, the Prime Minister issued a Media release on the passing of the 
Climate Change 2022 Bill through the House of Representatives.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
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Relevant Media Reporting 

On 25 April 2023, The Conversation published an article criticising the Defence 
Strategic Review for its lack of clarity on what Defence is doing about climate change.

On 05 April 2023, The Australian, The Guardian, The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald 
and The Canberra Times all published comments by former Chief of Defence Force 
Admiral Chris Barrie (Rtd) calling for the Government to release the Office of National 
Intelligence climate risk assessment to the public.

On 24 March 2023, Australian Strategic Policy Institute published The Threat Spectrum
Journalists Afeeya Akhand, Luisa Gyhn, Marcus Schultz, and Shivangi Seth again 
advocated for the release of a declassified version of the Office of National Intelligence 
risk assessment.

On 21 March 2023, Australian Strategic Policy Institute published Government must be 
up front with Australians about climate risk. Journalist Robert Glasser argued the 
Government should be upfront regarding the threat of climate change, advocating 
release of a declassified version of the Office of National Intelligence risk assessment. 

On 01 March 2023, The Conversation published Political instability and damage to 
infrastructure: how climate change could undermine Australia’s national security
stating climate change is impacting critical infrastructure, straining Defence capacity 
and possibly of increasing political instability in the region.

On 08 December 2022, The Guardian published Australia needs ‘wartime mobilisation’ 
response to climate crisis, security leaders say. Journalist Tobias Ide covered 
statements from the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group made to a Defence 
policy review.  

On 06 December 2022, The Guardian published Australia and the United States are 
firm friends on defence – now let’s turn that into world-beating climate action
Journalist Peter J. Dean highlighted calls for deeper climate action in tandem with the 
United States. 
Division:
Strategic Policy 
PDR No: 
SB23-000414
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Catherine Bell, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Amanda Toms, Acting First Assistant 
National Security and Resilience
Secretary Strategic Policy
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 31 March 2023
Date: 12 April 2023
Consultation: Department of Prime Minister  Date: 31 March 2023
& Cabinet, s47F
, Acting Senior  Mob: s47F
      Ph: s47F
Adviser, Climate Change
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000414
Last updated: 27 April 2023
    
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Vice Admiral David Johnston; Hugh Jeffrey; Celia Perkins
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Consultation: Department of Home Affairs, 
Date: 31 March 2023
s47F
, Acting Senior Director, National 
Mob: s47F
Resilience Taskforce
Consultation: Department of Foreign Affairs  Date: 31 March 2023
and Trade, s47F
, Director 
Mob: s47F
 Ph: s47F
 
Climate Change Mitigation and Investment
Consultation: The Office of National 
Date: 31 March 2023
Intelligence, s47F
Ph: s47F
Consultation: Military Strategic 
Date: 31 March 2023
Commitments, Commodore Don Dezentje,
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Director General Military Strategic 
Commitments
Consultation: Force Design, Commodore 
Date: 31 March 2023
Michael Turner, Director General Force 
Mob: s22
      Ph: s47E(d)
Exploration
Consultation: International Policy Division,                   
Date: 31 March 2023
Lisa Clutterham, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Mob: s22
       Ph: s47E(d)
AUKEA
Consultation: Security & Estate Group, Lyn 
Date: 31 March 2023
Harvey, A/AS Environment and Engineering
Mob: s22
       Ph: s47E(d)
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: 
Date: 01 May 2023
Amy Hawkins, FAS Policy and Engagement
Cleared by Deputy Secretary: 
Date: 27 April 2023
Teresa Blair, Acting Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy, 
and Industry
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: a/Assistant Secretary 
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: National Security and Resilience 
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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 PDR No: SB23-000532
Last updated: 13 April 2023
            Export Controls
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Stephen Moore
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Why do you approve permits to countries known for human rights abuses? 
 Not every person or organisation in those countries is implicated in human rights 
violations.
 Not every controlled export is relevant to such allegations. 
 If the export does not raise a material risk to human rights, a permit may be approved.
If pressed: Can you guarantee that approved Australian Defence exports are not being used in 
human rights abuses in Yemen?
 To the best of my knowledge, these exports are not used in Yemen.
 If a permit is approved, it is because those risks were not identified.
If pressed: Does Australia export loitering munitions, or kamikaze drones, to countries with 
poor human rights records?

 An export permit would be refused if overriding risks to Australia’s security, defence or 
international relations were identified. 
 Australia assesses the risk of misuse, including diversion and alleged human rights abuses 
as part of the export permit assessment process. A permit would be refused if these 
overriding risks were identified. 
Why doesn’t Defence apply blanket prohibition for countries with a poor human rights 
record? 
 Defence Export Controls takes a case-by-case approach to all export applications, 
carefully assessing each application on its own merits irrespective of the export 
destination. 
 Exports may be granted because the goods or technology are not relevant to the risks 
identified, are in support of low-risk entities, such as United Nations’ peacekeeping 
activities, or are for legitimate commercial or sporting activities. 
 Export assessments also consider compliance with United Nations Security Council and 
Australian autonomous sanctions [refer to Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade for 
any specific sanction related questions]. 
Do any of these permits represent weapons sales? 
 Permit approvals should not be conflated with weapons sales.

Permits are required for a broad range of goods and technologies, such as 
software, radios or chemicals that have legitimate civilian and commercial 
purposes. 
 A permit would not be granted for weapons if there were concerns that they may be used 
in a way inconsistent with Australia’s human rights obligations.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 13 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Stephen Moore
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What is the approach to export permit transparency?
 Defence remains committed to transparency measures that also protect commercially 
sensitive information for Australian industry.
 Defence publishes export permit statistics on the Defence Export Controls public 
webpage.  

These statistics reflect permit decisions only – not whether the export took place. 
 Our transparency measures reflect the relatively small size of the Australian industry 
sector. Where information is too specific, this may “tip-off” business competitors to 
market opportunities. 

Transparency measures will vary between countries, proportionate to the nature 
and scale of their industry sectors. 
Background 
 Concerns are periodically raised by the media, Parliament and the community that 
Australia may be exporting weapons to countries with poor human rights records 
(particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates). These media reports can also be 
critical of the lack of transparency on the exact nature of the exports.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Senate Estimates (15 February 2023)

QoN 33, Defence Export Permits, Senator David Shoebridge (Greens, New South Wales) 
asked when Defence Export Controls was established and for a breakdown of the 
number of the total number of permits approved, refused and refused for reasons 
including human rights in the last 5 years. 
Budget Estimates (9 November 2022)

QoN 38, Defence Export Permits, Senator David Shoebridge (Greens, New South Wales) 
asked for statistics on the number of export permits granted to Indonesia, Saudi Arabia 
and the United Arab Emirates in 2021 and 2022.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

On 09 March 2023, Philippa Lysaght from Save the Children sought access under 
Freedom of Information to the total number of defence export licenses that have been 
granted from Australia to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates from 
26 March 2015 to 1 March 2023. The document was released on 11 April 2023.

In October 2022, a media outlet sought access under Freedom of Information to a 
table of permits by year approved from January 2015 to October 2022 for Papua New 
Guinea, Indonesia, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu, Timor-Leste, Kiribati, Nauru, Palau, 
Samoa and Tonga. The document was released on 24 November 2022.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 13 April 2023
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Key witness: Stephen Moore
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Recent Ministerial Comments 

The Deputy Prime Minister has issued statements announcing gifting of lethal and non-
lethal aid to Ukraine.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 07 January 2023, ABC News published an article titled, Weapons export permits 
granted by Defence to send lethal technology to accused human rights violators. 
Journalist Andrew Greene sought information regarding permits issued for Saudi 
Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Indonesia. He also sought comment on the status of 
the 2018 Defence Export Strategy, including the goal of making Australia a top 10 
global arms exporter. The permit statistics were published in the article.

On 19 December 2022, the Adelaide Advertiser published an article titled, Human 
Rights Watch Australia urges federal government to end the export of military good to 
Saudi Arabia and UAE. Journalist Gabriel Polychronis sought and reported on 
information on the export destinations with the highest number of permits and how 
human rights were considered in the decision to grant permits to Saudi Arabia and the 
United Arab Emirates.
Division:
Defence Industry Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000532
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Alison Harriden, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Stephen Moore, First Assistant Secretary, 
Defence Export Controls
Defence Industry Policy
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 04 April 2023  
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 06 April 2023 
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy, and 
Industry Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 13 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Stephen Moore
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Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Estimates 15 February 2023

Defence Export Controls
Senator David Shoebridge
Spoken Question:
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Was defence export controls established in 2018? Is that right? 
Mr Moore: No, I would think it would be much earlier than that. I don't know the exact date. 
We can get that for you. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: If we can go back five years for the operation of defence export 
controls, are you aware how many, if any, defence exports were rejected by defence export 
controls on the basis of human rights grounds, such as the military or the nation to which the 
proposed export was being sought had a human rights record that led to the application 
being rejected? 
Mr Moore: I would have to take that on notice. I don't have the specific details about why 
individual permit applications would have been rejected. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Could you identify on notice—year by year for both that question and 
my next question—how many permits have been granted, how many applications for permits 
have been rejected each year and the reasons for the rejection? 
Mr Moore: Sorry, can I clarify that you want the number of export permits that have been 
granted over the last five years as well as those rejected? 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: And, where they've been rejected, the reasons, including but not 
limited to whether or not human rights grounds was ever used. 
Mr Moore: To answer your question on the number that have been approved—we receive 
around 4,000 applications a year, so the numbers will be quite large—we'll have to work 
through that to get you those figures. There are a handful that are rejected each year. We 
will see what we can do about getting you the information around the reasons that they 
were rejected. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: If we just go back last year and the little dribble of this year that we've 
had, have any defence export permit applications been rejected to your knowledge? 
Mr Moore: There have been some rejected in the last 12 months, yes. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: What were the reasons for the rejections in the last 12 months? 
Mr Moore: I would need to take that on notice. There would be a number of reasons for 
rejection both on national security grounds and human rights grounds. I may have to take 
that on notice. I don't have that detail with me.
Answer:
Australia’s defence export controls functions have been in place since at least the 1980s. The 
Australian Defence Export Office (ADEO), which is separate to Defence Export Controls, was 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 13 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Stephen Moore
Document 33
established in 2018. The ADEO coordinates the whole-of-government effort to support the 
export success of Australian defence industry.
In the last five years, Defence has issued the following export permit approvals and refusals:
Year
Number of approved permits
Total number of permits refused 
(including for human rights 
considerations)
2018
2, 672
0
2019
2, 744
4
2020
2, 483
6
2021
2, 476
5
2022
2, 523
13
2023 (as at 10 May 
964
1
2023)
Total (as at 10 May 
13, 862
29
2023)
Defence Export Controls cannot disclose details for individual refusals due to commercial 
confidentiality obligations.  
Budget Estimates (9 November 2022)
Defence Export Controls

Senator David Shoebridge
Question on Notice:
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: How many Defence export licences has Defence granted to Saudi 
Arabia since 1 January 2021? Mr Moore: I will have to take that on notice. I don't have the 
details for that date range. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: What details do you have there? What date 
ranges do you have? Mr Moore: I will have to take that on notice. I don't have the details 
broken down. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: You don't have to take on notice what date ranges you 
have. CHAIR: I think the witness can indicate if they do or don't have something. Mr Moore: I 
don't have it broken down by country. I don't have the details broken down. It's regional; I 
don't have it broken down by country. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: What region is Saudi Arabia and 
United Arab Emirates in? Mr Moore: They are in Middle East. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: What 
countries are contained in that designation? Mr Moore: I would have to— Senator 
SHOEBRIDGE: I am happy for you to provide that on notice. How many Defence export 
licences has Defence granted to the Middle East from 1 January 2021 to today? Mr Moore: I 
don't have from 1 January 2021. I can tell you in 2022, there were 89 permits for controlled 
goods. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: You don't have 2021; is that right? Mr Moore: Not with me. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: On notice, can you inform us how many Defence export licences, or 
permits as you describe them, has Defence granted to Saudi Arabia? How many were granted 
in 2021 and how many in 2022? Mr Moore: We will come back to you on that. I will say that 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 13 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Stephen Moore
Document 33
we tend to not break permits down with more granularity than region. Because of the nature 
of the Australian defence industry, we start getting into problems of confidentiality around 
businesses that have applied for licences because they are small numbers. With businesses 
working in the industry sector, you can start to infer what their competitors might be 
applying for licences for. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: I have asked about Saudi Arabia and you have 
taken it on notice. I will ask the same for the United Arab Emirates. I assume you'll take that 
on notice as well? Mr Moore: Yes. Senator SHOEBRIDGE: In terms of weapon sales to 
Indonesia, I will ask again, how many defence export licences has Defence granted for sales 
to Indonesia? Mr Moore: I don't have that data with me. I will have to take it on notice. 
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: I've asked that for 2021 and 2022. I assume you'll take that on notice. 
Mr Moore: Yes.
Answer:
Number of permits issued for military or dual-use exports
Country

2021
1 January 2022 – 9 November 
2022
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
17
21
United Arab Emirates
36
25
Indonesia
52
49
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Alison Harriden
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence Export Controls
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Defence Industry Policy
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000416
Last updated: 1 May 2023
           Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Professor Emily Hilder
Document 34

Defence must draw imaginative ideas and practical solutions from traditional and non-
traditional sources, from research organisations, start-ups and small businesses.

This will support and accelerate the transition of this innovation into capability solutions 
that are acquired by Defence for the ADF with an urgency driven by the deteriorating 
strategic environment.

The Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator will take a strategically directed, mission-
based approach to pull asymmetric innovations into capabilities with identified transition 
pathways into acquisition. 

This is the most significant reshaping of defence innovation in decades that will deliver 
vital capabilities for the ADF, as well as create more jobs in the Australian defence 
industry commercialising the technologies. It will support innovative Australian solutions 
to the challenges we face.

The missions will be aligned to Defence Strategic Priorities with priorities determined by 
the Vice Chief of the Defence Force and mission specifications agreed by the relevant 
Capability Manager. 

Missions will be time-limited to typically three years with clear performance 
targets.

The fundamental difference that the Defence Accelerator will bring to Defence innovation 
is the requirement for an endorsed acquisition pathway for each mission, with Capability 
Manager commitment to pull successful prototypes into acquisition.

To directly support the missions that are at the heart of the new approach, the Defence 
Accelerator will also establish: 

An innovation incubation program to identify innovations that can be rapidly 
adapted, tested and acquired for military purposes addressing capability priorities 
identified by the Vice Chief of the Defence Force. 

This will be funded at approximately $25 million per year.

An emerging and disruptive technologies program to monitor, investigate and 
research technologies that may either disrupt existing capabilities or provide new 
knowledge that helps identify opportunities for development of asymmetric 
capabilities for Defence. 

This will be funded at a value of up to 20 percent of the budget per year.

A phased transition will be implemented to ensure management and oversight of in-train 
activities within the existing programs. This will ensure the existing Australian innovation 
ecosystem continues to build the sovereign capabilities required to deliver solutions 
addressing Defence's capability priorities.

Agility, speed, and working in collaboration with partners will be the fundamental 
principles to accelerate breakthrough technologies and innovation for Defence. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Intersection with AUKUS

The Defence Accelerator will support the outcomes of the Defence Strategic Review by 
helping accelerate discrete AUKUS Pillar II Advanced Capabilities lines of effort.

It would not serve as the overall delivery mechanism for AUKUS Pillar II. The Defence 
Strategic Review states that the Government has agreed for a senior official or officer 
with sole responsibility and a singular focus on AUKUS Pillar II Advanced Capabilities 
implementation should be appointed to enable expedited focus on capability outcomes.
Resourcing for the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator

Establishment of the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator will involve the transfer 
of staffing and funding from the existing Defence Innovation Hub and Next Generation 
Technologies Fund.

The existing innovation programs will contribute $591 million over the forward estimates 
with an additional $157.4 million of funding over the forward estimates offset from 
within Defence.  

The plan is to grow the initial workforce of 50 positions in the existing innovation 
programs, by an additional 40, resulting in a total of 90 Average Staffing Level for the 
mature Defence Accelerator.

The resources planned for the Defence Accelerator incorporates efficiencies obtained 
situated within Defence and leveraging existing Defence enabling services and innovation, 
science and technology partnership networks.
Link to the Defence Strategic Review

The Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator is included in the Defence Strategic 
Review at Page 73.  This included the view of the independent reviews that the Advanced 
Strategic Capabilities Accelerator should be an entity external to Defence.
Consultation 

155 participants from across Australia representing state and territory governments, 
industry, academia, think tanks, and research organisations were invited to participate in 
targeted stakeholder consultation sessions during November and December 2022.
Background 

On 28 April 2022, the Australian Labor Party announced an election commitment to 
establish the Australian Strategic Research Agency.

On 09 February 2023, the Minister for Defence Industry approved the name change to 
the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator.

On 28 April 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister, Richard Marles and Minister for Defence 
Industry, Pat Conroy announced the Government will invest $3.4 billion over the next 
decade to establish the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The establishment of the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator delivers on this 
election commitment. 
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 
Senate: 28 September 2022

QoN 820, Advanced Strategic Research Agency, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham 
(Liberal, South Australia) asked to be provided with an update on the progress on 
establishing an Advanced Strategic Research Agency.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments
Government announces most significant reshaping of Defence innovation in decades to boost 
national security and follow up interviews:

28 April 2023—DPM Interview ABC News Radio (+52 stations)  

28 April 2023 – MINDI Interview with Andy Park, ABC Radio National Drive

28 April 2023—MINDI - ABC News Radio - The Drum  

28 April 2023—DPM Radio Interview, ABC AM    

28 April 2023—Sky News - DPM News Conference 
Relevant Media 

29 April 2023 – Government earmarks $3.4b for developing defence tech (+3 outlets)

28 April 2023 – $3.4b to fire up defence technology

28 April 2023—Australia News Live – Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator

28 April 2023—The Guardian—Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator

28 April 2023—Govt overhauls Defence innovation programs with $3.4bn accelerator

28 April 2023—Defence industry set for $3.4bn shake up 

28 April 2023—Government to reshape defence innovation

28 April 2023—Transforming Australia’s Defence Innovation Ecosystem

28 April 2023—Multi-billion dollar boost for defence technology to help Australia beat 
'ticking clock'

28 April 2023—Govt pumps $3.4B into new Defence innovation accelerator
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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28 April 2023—Govt Boosts Natl Security with Major Defence Innovation Reshaping

28 April 2023— 6PR Radio - Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator

28 April 2023—6IX 1080AM Radio - Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator

28 April 2023—National cabinet seeks health solutions

28 April 2023—PoliticsNow: National cabinet agrees to slice NDIS growth rate to 8pc per 
year amid ballooning costs (mentions ASCA)

28 April 2023—Government earmarks $3.4b for defence tech research (+20 outlets)

28 April 2023—A New Defense Review for Australia

28 April 2023—Shakeup announced of defence innovation

28 April 2023—Government announces most significant reshaping of Defence innovation in 
decades to boost national security

28 April 2023—Leading radar tech snapped up for $500m

28 April 2023—$3bn ‘accelerator' puts war hi-tech on fast track

27 April 2023—Let the private sector's 'kaleidoscope of capital'' come to our defence: 
Baxter (mentions ASCA)

27 April 2023—Defence review hones in on cyber capabilities           
 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Division:
Science Strategic Planning and Engagement Division,
Defence Science and Technology Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000416
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Prof Michelle Gee, Chief Technology Officer  Dr David Kershaw, Chief Science Strategic 
Innovation and Strategic Research
Planning and Engagement
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 11 April 2023
Date: 30 April 2023  
Consultation:  
Date:  11 April 2023  
Brigadier G Craig Dobson, Director General 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Workforce Planning, Defence People Group
Ms Ariana Kornek, Acting First Assistant 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Secretary Financial Performance & 
Management, Defence Finance Group
Mr Colin McKenna, Assistant Secretary 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
AUKUS, Strategic Policy & Industry Group
Cleared by CFO / DPG:
Brigadier G Craig Dobson, Director General Workforce 
Date: 12 April 2023
Planning, Defence People Group
Ms Ariana Kornek, Acting First Assistant Secretary 
Date: 11 April 2023
Financial Performance & Management, Defence Finance 
Group
Date: 01 May 2023
Alison West, Acting First Assistant Secretary 
Implementation
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Professor Emily Hilder, Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Date: 1 May 2023
Defence Science and Technology Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Senate: 28 September 2022
Advanced Strategic Research Agency
Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham
Question

Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham: asked the Minister representing the Minister for 
Defence —
1. What progress has been made on Labor’s pre-election commitment to establishing an
Advanced Strategic Research Agency (ASRA) to fund research in future national
security technology and technology sharing.
2. How much ongoing funding is required to found ASRA and to support its
functions.
3. Where will ASRA be formed and what leadership, governance, oversight will it be
subject to.
4. What performance indicators and outcomes are sought and how will these be
measured.
5. What briefings and reports have been provided to Government, relating to these
matters, since 22 May 2022, and please provide them.
Answer
Defence is currently developing options for Government’s consideration in how best to 
establish an Advanced Strategic Research Agency to meet strategic intent and maximize the 
opportunity to develop Australian leap-ahead military capability. Advice provided to 
Government is subject to Cabinet consideration and not able to be publically disclosed.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Dr David Kershaw
Name: Professor Emily Hilder
Position: Chief Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Position: Acting Chief Defence Scientist
Division: Science Strategic Planning and Engagement
Group/Service: Defence Science and Technology Group
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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In their joint statement, leaders reaffirmed their, “commitment to building a 
closer and stronger bilateral relationship based on mutual trust and respect.” 

To take the relationship forward, leaders agreed to “establish a new agenda for 
cooperation based on three pillars: defence and security; resilience and climate 
action; and education and culture.”

Senior officials have been working closely with French counterparts in Canberra 
and Paris; and have developed ambitious proposals for the roadmap. 

The Defence Strategic Review confirms the priority of the Indo-pacific region to 
Australia’s security.
 It reiterated the necessity of working with likeminded partners to shape our 
regional environment.

As a capable, likeminded, and resident Indo-Pacific nation, France is a key partner for 
Australia in pursuing our strategic objectives. 
When will the final roadmap be announced?

Officials are working together to finalise the Roadmap as soon as possible, as agreed by 
Ministers at the 2+2 meeting. 

It is for Prime Minister Albanese and President Macron to announce the final Roadmap. 
What proposals are being developed under the defence and security pillar of the roadmap?

Defence has developed three broad proposals to be further explored:

Enhanced Reciprocal Access, Exercises, and Operations – which will see increased 
support of each other’s deployments, the conduct of more joint maritime 
activities and better reciprocal access to defence facilities;

Defence Policy Alignment and Information Exchange – to strengthen our 
collaboration and exchange on shared security interests; and

Defence Industry Cooperation to deepen our industry policy relationship.
How much will the defence and security pillar initiatives cost?

The bilateral roadmap is still under negotiation with France. 

Any associated costs will be subject to usual Budget processes.
What is Australia’s financial commitment to supporting Ukraine with 155mm ammunition? 

Australia and France will share the cost of this initiative equally.

On 09 May 2023, the 2023/24 Budget allocated an additional $40 million for the 155mm 
artillery ammunition joint initiative with France.
What quantity of ammunition will be delivered to Ukraine and when under this proposal? 

It will be a quantity which makes a meaningful contribution to Ukraine’s defence, and 
that can be delivered in a timely manner.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Director Western and Southern Europe
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Europe Section, Global Partners
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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For operational security reasons, the precise number of rounds will not be made public. 
What roles will Australia and France play in this joint proposal to deliver 155mm 
ammunition? 

The initiative draws on our respective industry capabilities and would be an equal 
partnership.  

It is a real and practical demonstration of like-minded partners working together to 
maximise our industrial strengths and contribute to a shared goal.

These details are still being finalised between the two governments and industry 
partners. The intent is that Australia will provide explosive materiel to France which 
would manufacture and deliver the 155mm artillery ammunition.

Australia is one of the few countries in the world that can produce the explosive 
materiel.
What capability will use the 155mm ammunition? 

155mm artillery ammunition is appropriate for multiple weapons platforms which is 
why it is so useful on the battlefield. 

The Ukrainian Armed Forces will determine the most effective use of this ammunition 
on the battlefield.
What will the Declaration of Intent on Space cooperation deliver?

A key function of the Declaration of Intent on Space will be the establishment of a 
working group to progress broad cooperation in relation to space military capabilities.

An initial meeting was held at the 2023 Avalon Airshow to discuss the terms of 
reference of the proposed working group.
If pressed: will France and Australia negotiate a reciprocal access arrangement?

As the Deputy Prime Minister said at the recent 2+2 in Paris, we wish to deepen our 
operational cooperation with France, including to enhance access to defence facilities.

A number of legal frameworks are in place to facilitate this.  

Exploration is underway with France to discover whether there are any gaps, including 
through inviting French planners to visit Australia in 2023 to tour facilities, explore 
access requirements, and confirm practical arrangements. 
Will France participate in TALISMAN SABRE 2023?

France will participate in Exercise TALISMAN SABRE in 2023.

France’s participation will send an important signal that France and Australia are 
partners in the Indo-Pacific region and share a commitment to regional stability and 
security.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Director Western and Southern Europe
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Europe Section, Global Partners
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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How has Defence been working with France in the Pacific?

Defence works closely with France in the Pacific, through the French Armed Forces in 
New Caledonia and French Polynesia.

The ADF participated in the French led, multinational humanitarian and disaster 
relief exercise CROIX DU SUD from 24 April to 6 May 2023. 

The Chief of the Defence Force visited New Caledonia on 23 January 2023 to 
engage with the Commander of the French Armed Forces in the Pacific.

France is an integral member of the Pacific family, one that brings significant and 
valuable capability, and makes important contributions to regional security. 

Embedded with the ADF and Republic of Fiji Military Forces, the French Armed Forces 
in the Pacific, provided assistance to Tonga following the January 2022 tsunami.

France and Australia cooperate with each other and regional partners through the 
Pacific Quadrilateral Defence Coordination Group, France-Australia-New Zealand 
Arrangement and South Pacific Defence Ministers Meeting.

Regional Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief Exercises like CROIX DU SUD 
[kwa-doo-SOOD], EQUATEUR [ek-wa-TEUR] and MARARA [ma-ra-RA] offer our forces 
the opportunity to build Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief capability with our 
pacific neighbours.
If pressed: Did defence engage industry and foreign partners (including France) about its 
concerns?

Defence has engaged industry and foreign partners consistently about its concerns. 

Defence engaged Airbus Australia Pacific (as prime contractor) and its parent company 
Airbus Helicopters continuously regarding the unsatisfactory performance of the MRH 
system for Australian requirements. 

Engagement has included Project of Concern summits since 2011. 
Handling note: For MRH90 capability and technical matters refer to Lieutenant General 
Simon Stuart, Chief of Army.
If pressed: Was France advised of the decision to acquire the UH-60M Black Hawk ahead of 
the public announcement?

Reflecting our commitment to trust and respect, the French Government was advised 
well ahead of the public announcement to acquire the UH-60M Black Hawk.

Including by the Deputy Prime Minister and Australia’s Ambassador in Paris.

On 18 January the Deputy Prime Minister said: 
‘The most important thing here is dealing with the French in an honest way. And I've 
been talking with my counterpart, Minister Sébastien Lecornu, about the Taipan issue. 
We've had many conversations about it. We've been trying to work through it. This is 
not a surprise to the French. Obviously, we've forecasted to them a long time ahead of 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Director Western and Southern Europe
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Europe Section, Global Partners
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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this announcement where we're going here. So we're confident that this won't interrupt 
the relationship – the renewed relationship with France.’
If pressed: Is Australia disengaging from French defence industry?

No. Defence continues to value French defence industry. 

On 18 January the Deputy Prime Minister said: 
French industry is a huge part of Australian defence industry. You only need to look at 
Thales, for example, which makes the Bushmasters, which we've been talking about, 
which are a big part of our own Army, and we've obviously been sending to Ukraine. 
Thales make those Bushmasters in Bendigo. Airbus is a big company still in Australia, 
Safran. So French defence industry remain a big part of Australian defence industry.’
If pressed: Was France advised of the decision on the AUKUS Optimal Pathway ahead of the 
public announcement?

Yes. Australian officials in Canberra and Paris briefed their counterparts on the decision 
prior to the public announcement.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 30 January 2023, French and Australian foreign and defence ministers issued a joint 
statement on the 2+2 meeting, reiterating commitment to the bilateral relationship. 

On 01 July 2022, the Prime Minister and President Macron issued a joint statement to 
reaffirm their commitment to building a closer and strong bilateral relationship. They 
also announced the Australia-France roadmap. 

On 01 September 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for the French Armed 
Forces, Sébastien Lecornu, issued a joint statement on strategic cooperation under the 
defence and security pillar of the Australia-France roadmap.

On 16 and 18 September 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister responded to questions 
from Sky News and ABC Insider on one year since the AUKUS announcement.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Director Western and Southern Europe
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Europe Section, Global Partners
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Relevant Media Reporting 

On 6 May 2023, multiple media outlets reported on Australia’s participation at the 
French led humanitarian and disaster relief Exercise CROIX DU SUD 2023.

On 31 January 2023, multiple media outlets reported on outcomes of the 2+2 meeting, 
primarily focused positively on joint development of 155m ammunition for Ukraine.

On 18 January 2023, multiple media outlets reported on the Government’s decision to 
acquire US built Blackhawk helicopters to replace the European built MRH90 platform.

In November 2022 multiple media outlets reported on President Macron’s comments 
following the Bali G20 meeting in Bali that a French interim submarine option was still 
available.

In September 2022 Australian media reported on the anniversary of the cancellation of 
the submarine contract and leaked defence documents.

On 21 September 2022, multiple media outlets reported on French lobbying efforts 
regarding the MRH-90 Taipan helicopter capability: West Australian, the Australian, 
Canberra Times

On 01 September 2022 there was much reporting on the Deputy Prime Minister’s visit 
to France on: SBS, ABC, Australian Financial Review, The West Australian.

On 01 September 2022 the Deputy Prime Minister published an opinion piece in 
French newspaper Le Figaro.
Division:
International Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000417
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Assistant Director, Europe  Samantha Higgins, Acting First Assistant 
Section, International Policy Division 
Secretary, International Policy Division
Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 09 May 2023
Date: 10 May 2023 
Consultation:  Land Capability
Date:  27 January 2023  
Major General Jeremy King, Head Land 
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Capability
Cleared by Deputy Secretary: Hugh Jeffrey
Date: 24 May 2023 
Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Acting Director Western and Southern Europe
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Europe Section, Global Partners
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Pacific Infrastructure - What progress has been made on Pacific Infrastructure commitments 
and at what cost?

The Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement Infrastructure program seeks to deliver 
security-related infrastructure with partner nations, contributing to building a region 
that is economically stable, strategically secure, capable and politically sovereign.

For Financial Year 2022/2023 to date, Pacific infrastructure projects have contributed 
an estimated $97 million to Australian companies through the procurement of goods 
and services, and an estimated $28 million to Indo-Pacific small and medium 
enterprises.

Since 1 July 2018, Defence’s infrastructure projects in the Indo-Pacific have contributed 
an estimated total of $326 million to Australian companies through the procurement of 
goods and services, and an estimated total of $105 million to Indo-Pacific small and 
medium enterprises.

Infrastructure projects are supporting around 3,000 jobs in the Pacific (as measured by 
number of inductions) with approximately 94 per cent of positions filled by local 
population, as reported by industry.
Papua New Guinea – Lombrum Joint Initiative (Refer to [SB23-000418 Pacific Engagement] 
for additional points on Lombrum and head contractor Clough)

Australia and PNG announced the commitment to jointly redevelop 
Lombrum Naval Base in 2018. The value [up to $175 million] of the tender was 
announced publicly on AusTender. 

On 5 December 2022 the Head Contractor for the project, Clough, entered voluntary 
administration and was subsequently acquired by Webuild on 16 February 2023. This 
acquisition included the Lombrum Joint Initiative and works have now recommenced 
on-site under amended contract arrangements. 

The project now has an estimated completion date of 30 June 2024 (18 month delay) 
and a cost increase associated with the delays due to the administration period. The full 
quantum of these costs is currently being assessed. 

Defence remains committed to the delivery of Lombrum Naval Base Redevelopment on 
Manus Island.  
Vanuatu – Cook and Tiroas Barracks Redevelopment 

The Governments of the Republic of Vanuatu and Australia are working together to 
deliver a large infrastructure project for the Vanuatu Police Force in Port Vila and 
Luganville, as part of the strong and enduring security partnership between our two 
nations.

The enhanced and resilient infrastructure and facilities will support the Vanuatu Police 
Force’s growth and operational capability.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director Pacific Regional Policy 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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The Cook Barracks and Tiroas Barracks redevelopments aims to maximise Vanuatu 
industry and commercial benefit for the local economy – employing, training and 
upskilling local workers and using local material and services whenever possible.
Fiji – Maritime Essential Services Centre

Maritime Essential Services Centre – Australia committed to the development and 
construction of this new facility to enable Fiji’s Maritime Surveillance and Rescue 
Capability Centre in Lami, Suva. 

Defence awarded a construction head contract on 11 July 2022 with works 
commencing on 31 Aug 2022. Defence expects construction of the Maritime Essential 
Services Centre to be completed Q3 2024. 

Progress to date includes: civil earth works, procurement of materials, and concrete 
works. 
If pressed: Solomon Islands – Western Border Outpost and Eastern Border Outpost

Defence is supporting Australia-Solomon Islands joint projects to construct border 
outposts in Solomon Islands’ Western and Eastern provinces.

The new facilities and infrastructure will support Solomon Islands’ Guardian-class Patrol 
Boats – bringing together police, customs and immigration officials to reinforce the 
security of Solomon Islands’ borders and bolster its natural disaster response capability.

Preliminary activities are in progress at the Western Border Outpost with preparatory 
works commencing in April 2023, and main construction works expected to commence 
in Q1 2024, with initial operating capability expected in 2025. 

Construction for the Eastern Border Outpost is expected to commence in Q2 2024, with 
completion anticipated 18 months post land acquisition.
If pressed: Solomon Islands - Police Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal Facility (Hells Point)

Hells Point, in Honiara, is the home and training grounds to the Royal Solomon Islands’ 
Police Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal experts. Solomon Islands has one of the 
largest concentrations of Unexploded Ordnance and Explosive Remnants of War in the 
Pacific.

We are proud to partner with the Royal Solomon Islands Police Force to 
redevelop their facilities at Hells Point, Honiara to enable safe and effective 
explosive ordnance disposal activities. 

Site establishment occurred in January 2023 and preparatory works at the Hells 
Point Explosive Ordnance Disposal Facility commenced in March 2023. 

The project is expected to be completed in 2024. 

Also includes the gifting of a blast protected High Mobility Engineering Excavator 
for use at the site. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director Pacific Regional Policy 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Australia-Pacific Defence School 

The inaugural joint defence training program between Australia and Fiji has been 
delivered through the new Australia Pacific Defence School. 

Ongoing training programs will see the School continue to strengthen ties 
between Australia and our regional counterparts.

Australian Defence Force (ADF) and Republic of Fiji Military Forces (RFMF) personnel 
partnered to jointly deliver vital pre-deployment training to Fijian and Australian 
peacekeeping forces at the Blackrock Camp training facility in Nadi, Fiji.

Completed in March 2022, Blackrock Camp was delivered by Australia in 
partnership with the RFMF.

The training program has prepared participants to deploy to United Nations global 
peace operations. 

14 RFMF personnel and 10 ADF members took part in the first round of training.
Pacific Support Vessel

The Pacific Support Vessel (ADV Reliant) is boosting Australia’s maritime support to the 
Pacific family through engagement and capacity building, as well as providing an initial 
humanitarian assistance and disaster response capability.

The ADV Reliant has completed its first 2023 deployment including visits to;

Palau (17-18 January 2023), Federated States of Micronesia (26-27 January 2023), 
Republic of Marshall Islands (1-2 February 2023), Nauru (7-8 February 2023), 
Solomon Islands (14-16 February 2023) and to New Caledonia (April 2023) to 
participate in Exercise CROIX DU SUD.

ADV Reliant represents a whole-of-government capability and her activities are guided 
by the needs of our Pacific partners.

In the case of unforeseen or crisis events, ADV Reliant can be re-tasked to 
respond as this forms the key mission set for the vessel. 
If asked: Bilateral Security Agreement with Vanuatu

On 13 December 2022, a treaty-level agreement between Australia and Vanuatu on 
closer security relations – Bilateral Security Agreement – was signed by the Foreign 
Minister during a bipartisan Australian visit to Vanuatu. The treaty has been published 
on the DFAT website.

The Bilateral Security Agreement provides a legal framework for the Australia-Vanuatu 
security partnership and strengthening practical cooperation to meet shared security 
challenges, including on humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, policing, defence, 
and maritime security. 

The Bilateral Security Agreement has been under development since 2018. Our security 
cooperation is longstanding – from the time of Vanuatu’s independence in 1980. 
If pressed: Is Australia militarising the region? 

No, Australia’s defence cooperation with the Pacific is longstanding.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director Pacific Regional Policy 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Last updated: 11 May 2023 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Australia’s position is that security is the shared responsibility of the Pacific family, of 
which we are a member.
If asked: Creation of New Military Forces in the Pacific

The creation of any defence force is the sovereign decision of the nation.

Australia will consider any request for security support from our Pacific family.
If pressed: Is Defence planning to establish a Pacific Regiment?

There are no plans to establish a Pacific Regiment.

Nonetheless, the ADF and the Pacific security forces already work closely together and 
we are continuing to increase the ways in which we do so. 
Background 
Commitments October 22/23 Budget: Australia-Pacific Defence School and additional Aerial 
Surveillance


A new Australia-Pacific Defence School ($6.5 million over 4 years) to bring greater 
coordination to existing ADF training activities.

Doubling of existing funding for aerial surveillance activities from FY24/25 to bolster 
support to the Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Agency (FFA). The future program will 
increase the number of flights to enhance maritime domain awareness and regional 
security. 

Defence is scoping the implementation of this commitment by consulting the FFA 
members on their needs for the future program.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice

No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

13 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister stated the Australia-Vanuatu Bilateral 
Security Agreement was a practical expression of the family first approach to peace and 
security in our region.

On 13 December 2022, the Foreign Minister during her visit to Vanuatu stated that the 
signed Australia-Vanuatu Bilateral Security Agreement was a reflection of the ongoing 
commitment to working together as members of the Pacific family.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director Pacific Regional Policy 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000418
Last updated: 11 May 2023 
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 36
Relevant Media Reporting

Electronic article, No Geste: ‘Foreign Legion’ call for ADF, published electronically by 
The Age on 01 May 2023 referenced calls for the Australian government to consider 
allowing foreigners to enlist in the Australian Defence Force to address the recruitment 
crisis. [Link]

Reporting in The Guardian, The Asia-Pacific flashpoints fuelling an arms race across the 
region, on 30 March 2023, reports on regional challenges and how the Pacific Islands 
do not want to be drawn into strategic competition between the United States and 
China. [Link]

An in-depth article, When disaster strikes, Australia, New Zealand and the US should 
partner with, not for, the Pacific, published by ASPI on 8 March 2023 referenced a 
dialogue between Australia, the United States and New Zealand as an opportunity to 
take stock of how we can partner with the Pacific during HADR events. [Link]
Division:
International Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000418
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
s47E(d)
, Director Pacific Regional 
Samantha Higgins, First Assistant Secretary, 
Policy, Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
International Policy
Branch
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 11 May 2023
Date: 11 May 2023
Consultation: NA
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR
Date: NA
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent Band 3/3*):
Date:  11 May 2023
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy and 
Industry Group
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Director Pacific Regional Policy 
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Indo-Pacific Enhanced Engagement 
Group: Strategy, Policy and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d)
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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First, gifting equipment from Australian Defence Force stocks has included a range of 
items, some of which cannot be detailed for operational security reasons. Equipment 
includes: 

Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicles;

M113 Armoured Vehicles [both personnel and logistic variants]; 

155mm M777 howitzers and corresponding 155mm artillery ammunition;

Numerous anti-armour weapons and ammunition;

Uncrewed aerial systems and other weapons components; 

De-mining equipment (hand held detectors, blast suits, radars and mine rollers); 
and

Soldier equipment (body armour, helmets, cold weather clothing, radios, 
binoculars, medical kits, combat rations and optical sights).

Second, providing support through Australian defence industry.

Australia has procured $32 million of equipment from Australian defence industry 
including numerous uncrewed systems.

Defence has also supported industry to provide equipment to Ukraine directly 
through commercial arrangements, for example Electro-Optics Systems. 

Third, channelling funds to partners to deliver assistance to Ukraine on our behalf.

We contributed $18 million to the United Kingdom to purchase and deliver 
military assistance to Ukraine at the onset of Russia’s invasion.

We contributed $24.2 million to NATO to purchase and deliver to Ukraine fuel, 
medical supplies and counter-drone capabilities.

We are also working with France to provide 155mm artillery ammunition.  

Fourth, training support.

A rotational force of 70 ADF personnel are training Ukrainian ‘citizen soldiers’ 
recruits in the UK throughout 2023 as part of a multi-national effort.

Around 600 Ukrainian recruits have graduated from ADF-delivered training so far.

This support has engaged many parts of the Defence enterprise.

For example, delivering items from the other side of the world is necessarily an 
immense and long-term logistical effort. 

It has included more than 35 flights full of military assistance, including Australian 
C-17A and contracted Ukrainian Antonov flights.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Director Europe Section
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Global Partners
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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What more will we do to support Ukraine?

The Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister have been clear that Australia will 
support Ukraine for as long as it takes.

We want to put Ukraine in a position to end the conflict on its own terms. 

Our military assistance aims to be meaningful, sustainable and not compromise the 
ADF’s preparedness needs in our region.

We are continuing to:

train Ukrainian recruits in the United Kingdom (committed throughout 2023);

deliver the remaining military equipment to Europe within months; and

work with France to deliver 155mm artillery ammunition. 

Future support options will be consistent with our efforts to date.

Namely gifting more ADF equipment, additional Australian defence industry 
packages, channelling further funds to partners and exploring training options 
beyond 2023.

But we need to carefully balance our aim of supporting Ukraine’s defence with 
the ADF’s preparedness needs in our region.   

We continue to work with Ukraine and our partners to identify and tailor further 
options for Government for consideration over the coming weeks and months.
If pressed: How does Ukraine feel about Australia’s support?

We are working closely with the Ukrainian Embassy and the Ukrainian Ambassador.

Ukraine is thankful for the support Australia has provided to date.

But Ukraine is fighting for its survival, and is of course seeking as much support as 
possible from all partners, including Australia.

Defence continues to consider all requests from Ukraine.

This engagement shapes the options that Defence develops for decision by 
Government.
If pressed: Is Australia still one of the largest non- North Atlantic Treaty Organization 
contributors of military assistance to Ukraine? 

Australia’s contribution remains strongly appreciated by Ukraine and our like-minded 
partners.

As Deputy Prime Minister has said, we intend to continue to be one of the largest non- 
North Atlantic Treaty Organization contributors, and we’re working really closely with 
the Ukrainian government about how that contribution can be best provided.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Director Europe Section
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Global Partners
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If pressed: Will Australia join the “tank coalition” and provide tanks?

The Government is currently considering options to provide further military assistance 
to Ukraine.
If pressed: Will Australia provide Hawkeis to the Government of Ukraine?

The Hawkei is a developmental vehicle that is only now being introduced into service 
across the ADF.

The combination of an unresolved braking issue and a limited supply of parts means 
that the gifting of the Hawkei is unsupportable at this point in time.
If pressed: How many Bushmasters has Australia delivered so far?

Due to operational security, Defence will not confirm exact dates as to when the 
vehicles will depart or be delivered into Ukraine or the exact numbers delivered so far.

I can advise the majority of vehicles (Bushmasters, M113s) have been delivered. 
If pressed: What is the rate of delivery for Bushmasters to Ukraine?

Australia is transporting Bushmasters using both Royal Australian Air Force C-17A 
transport aircraft and chartered Antonov aircraft. 

In the interest of operational security defence will not discuss the flight schedule. 
If pressed: What quantity of ammunition will be delivered to Ukraine and when under the 
Australia-France 155mm artillery ammunition proposal?
[Handling note: refer to SB23-000417 – France for more.]

It will be a quantity which makes a meaningful contribution to Ukraine’s defence, and 
that can be delivered in a timely manner.

Details on the initiative will not be made public for operational security reasons. 
If pressed: What is the legal basis for Australia’s assistance to Ukraine?

Australia is providing assistance to Ukraine to defend itself against Russia’s illegal 
invasion.

The provision of such assistance is permissible under international law.
If pressed: Does the provision of weapons to Ukraine comply with Australia’s international 
legal obligations?

All exports of gifted military equipment have been provided in line with Australia’s 
export control legislation, which requires consideration of our international obligations. 
This includes the Arms Trade Treaty.

Further questions on the Arms Trade Treaty should be directed to the 
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Director Europe Section
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Global Partners
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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If pressed: Are there ADF personnel in Ukraine or the near region?

There are no ADF personnel deployed to Ukraine.

ADF personnel are supporting multilateral efforts to train Ukrainian Armed Forces 
personnel in the United Kingdom.

There are ADF personnel working with North Atlantic Treaty Organization and other 
allied nations in Europe.

Australia is in close contact with our partners in North Atlantic Treaty Organization and 
likeminded nations to ensure the delivery of our military assistance is coordinated with 
other major contributors. 
If pressed: Have any ADF or ex-ADF personnel joined the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

Details of any Australians travelling to Ukraine for this purpose are dealt with by the 
Department of Home Affairs.
If pressed: Are Australian citizens fighting in Ukraine?

The Government is aware of reports that some Australians in Ukraine may be 
participating in the conflict.

Defence does not monitor the movement of Australians overseas.

These are matters for the Department of Home Affairs.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade continues to advise Australians not to 
travel to Ukraine due to the volatile security situation.
If pressed: Have any Australians in Ukraine been killed or injured?

The Government is aware of a small number of Australian casualties reported in 
Ukraine.

We send our deepest condolences to their families.

Owing to privacy obligations, we are unable to provide further details. These are 
matters for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
If pressed: Is the West prolonging the conflict by providing Ukraine with military assistance?

The Government rejects the proposition that Australia and like-minded nations’ 
support to Ukraine is protracting the war.  

Russia’s unilateral, illegal and immoral invasion of Ukraine began the conflict. 

The Government is steadfast in its commitment to support Ukraine to defend itself.

Ukraine – like all countries – has the right to make its own strategic choices consistent 
with its interests.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Director Europe Section
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Global Partners
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Deprivation of that right by the use of military force should have no place in the 
modern world.

The Government calls on Russia to immediately withdraw its forces from Ukrainian 
territory and to end its illegal, immoral invasion.
Background 

Since Russia’s invasion on 24 February 2022, Australia has committed over $500 million 
in military assistance to the Government of Ukraine.

Australia’s latest package of military support was announced on 24 February 2023. It 
was valued at $33m and included uncrewed aerial systems and weapons components. 

In mid-January 2023, 70 ADF personnel joined the United Kingdom-led mission (which 
includes other nations such as Canada, New Zealand, and the Netherlands) in the 
United Kingdom to deliver training to Ukrainian Armed Forces ‘citizen soldiers’. The first 
200 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel graduated ADF supported training on 
24 February 2023. The second rotation of training commenced in early March 2023.

The Prime Minister visited Kyiv on 03 July 2022 and announced a $99.5 million package 
of military assistance. 

Since President Zelenskyy’s address to the Australian Parliament on 31 March 
2022, Defence has agreed to gift 90 Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicles.  
Australia has also provided a total of 28 M113AS4s Armoured Vehicles.

Other Australian military assistance to Ukraine to date includes M777 Howitzers, anti-
armour weapons, ammunition, unmanned aerial systems, body armour, first aid kits 
and clothing.
Death of former ADF members in Ukraine

Two former ADF members killed in Ukraine in November and December 2022 were not 
rendering any service in the ADF at the time of their death. The Department of Foreign 
Affairs and Trade has the lead for any media engagement and is providing support to 
the individual’s family.

To date, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is aware of a small number of 
Australians who have died in Ukraine and is providing consular assistance to the 
families.
Partners’ provision of tanks to Ukraine

As of 31 March 2023, several of Australia’s partners (including Germany, the United 
States, Poland, the United Kingdom, Canada, Finland, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands 
and Denmark) have committed to delivering tanks to Ukraine. 

Ukraine’s Minister for Defence has requested Australia consider sending tanks. This is 
currently under consideration by Defence.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: Assistant Director Europe Section
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Branch: Global Partners
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone: s47E(d
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Requests for Hawkei vehicles

In September 2022, Ukraine begin petitioning for Hawkeis Light Mobility Vehicles after 
Ukraine Ambassador to Australia visited Thales’ factory in Geelong.

In April 2023, the Ukraine Ministry of Defence released a social media video promoting 
and requesting Hawkeis.
Australia-France joint proposal for support to Ukraine 

On 30 January 2023 in Paris, the Deputy Prime Minister and his French counterpart, 
Minister Sebastien Lecornu, announced an Australia-France joint initiative to deliver 
155mm ammunition to Ukraine.  The details are being negotiated but will be based on 
an equal cost sharing arrangement. France will deliver 155mm ammunition from its 
stock to Ukraine to meet its urgent needs with Australia providing explosive material 
for France to replenish its stockpiles.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 

Senate: 29 March 2023

PQ23-000012, Bushmasters to Ukraine, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) asked 
about military assistance to Ukraine, pressing on delivery timelines.
Senate: 7 March 2023

QON 1479, War in Ukraine, Senator Jacqui Lambie (Jacqui Lambie Network, Tasmania) 
asked about military assistance to Ukraine, including on Australia’s consideration on 
Ukrainian requests to provide tanks. 
Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 62, Australian assistance to Ukraine, Senator the Hon Simon Birmingham (Liberal, 
South Australia) asked about Australian assistance to Ukraine, tracking announcements 
against delivery. He provided identical questions to the Departments of Prime Minister 
and Cabinet and Foreign Affairs and Trade. 

QoN 96, Autonomous systems, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) asked a range of 
questions on autonomous systems, including whether we are supplying them to 
Ukraine. 
Budget Estimates: 9 November 2022

QoN 49, Ukraine, Senator David Van (Liberal, Victoria) asked about Australia’s support 
to Ukraine.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
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Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 02 February 2023, Deputy Prime Minister released a joint media statement with 
Foreign Minister Wong after visiting the ADF’s training of Ukrainian recruits under 
Operation KUDU.

On 30 January 2023, Deputy Prime Minister and French Minister of Defence released a 
joint statement expressing their shared commitment to Ukraine and announced intent 
to provide support to Ukraine through joint supply of 155mm artillery ammunition. 

On 06 December 2022, the Foreign Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister released a 
statement with United States Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense at AUSMIN 
2023 committing to continued support for Ukraine and the “need for the world to 
stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes”. 

On 30 November 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister published an article in The 
Interpreter reflecting on his attendance at the Association of Southeast Asian Nations 
Defence Ministers’ Meeting-Plus. He noted that during the ADMM-Plus, “Global issues 
echoed throughout the conference centre” and that “many ministers made clear 
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was an affront to the rules and norms that are so 
important”. 

On 27 October 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister advised of the Government’s decision 
to provide Ukraine with an additional 30 Bushmasters and send a contingent of 70 ADF 
to the UK’s Operation INTERFLEX.

On 25 September 2022, Kieran Gilbert interviewed the Deputy Prime Minister on Sky 
News’ Sunday agenda. The interview covered the delivery speed of Australia’s 
Bushmasters to Ukraine, Ukraine’s request for an additional 30 vehicles and long term 
support. 

On 18 September 2022, David Speers interviewed the Deputy Prime Minister on ABC’s 
Insiders program. The interview covered the Ukrainian Government’s request for an 
additional 30 Bushmasters and 30 Hawkeis. Discussions also included long term 
support where the Minister reiterated Australia wanted to empower Ukraine to resolve 
the conflict on its own terms.

On 01 July 2022, the Prime Minister and French President Macron released a joint 
statement, “We condemn Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine and underline our 
solidarity with the government and people of Ukraine. We agree to continue to stand 
together to defend the rules based order and the integrity of international law, which 
are fundamental to our shared security and prosperity, both in Europe and the Indo-
Pacific’.
Relevant Media Reporting

On 16 May 2023, ABC News published an article titled, Ukraine enlists Eurovision stars 
to lobby Australia for Hawkei fighting vehicles. The online article features a social media 
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video message from Ukraine’s Eurovision stars Tvorchi renewing calls for Australian-
made Hawkei vehicles.

On 4 May 2023, The Australian Financial Review published an article titled, Australia, 
US joint aid for Ukraine on the cards. Journalist Andrew Tillett reports on a joint 
package of support with the US to be announced during President Biden’s May visit to 
Australia. Article reports fresh assistance may include M1 Abrams tanks or F-18 Hornet 
fight jets.

On 30 April 2023, ABC Insiders host David Speers questioned the Deputy Prime Minister 
regarding Australia providing further military assistance to Ukraine. DPM said that 
Australia would continue to provide support, “we intend to continue to be [one of the 
largest non-NATO contributors], and we’re working really closely with the Ukrainian 
government about how that contribution can be best provided.”

On 17 April 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Defence blames braking 
fault in Hawkei armoured vehicles for reluctance to supply Ukraine. Journalist Ben 
Packham noted that a braking fault affecting the Hawkei vehicles was behind 
Australia’s reluctance to send Hawkeis to Ukraine. He also noted that Ukraine is 
dismissive of these faults and volunteers to be a testing ground. The article noted 
Australia had fallen down the ranks of donors to Ukraine after being the largest non-
NATO supporter of Kyiv’s war effort.

On 29 March 2023, The Australian published an article titled, Ukraine calls for more 
Australian armour. Journalist Ben Packham reported on the Australian visit of Ukrainian 
strategic communications advisor Dr Yuriy Sak. Dr Sak echoed his government’s calls for 
Australia to provide tanks to Ukraine.

On 24 February 2023, SBS News published an article titled, A year on, Ukraine's man in 
Canberra tells Australia: 'Ukrainians are fighting for you.'Journalist Finn McHugh 
reported on calls by Ukraine’s Ambassador to Australia for a ‘sustainable and systemic 
approach’ on support. 

On 23 February 2023 ABC News published an article titled, Australia pledges drone 
system for Ukraine, announces additional sanctions on those complicit in Russia's 
invasion. Journalist Matthew Doran reported, Australia’s latest package of military 
support consists of uncrewed aerial systems and brings Australia’s total military 
support to over $500m.

On 13 February 2023, the Interpreter (Lowy) published an article titled, Ukraine needs 
tanks – Australia should send some. Dave Sharma argued Australia should join other 
partners in supplying tanks to Ukraine as the war in Ukraine enters a critical phase.
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Division:
International Policy Division
PDR No: 
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, Assistant Director Europe 
Samantha Higgins, Acting First Assistant 
Section, International Policy Division
Secretary International Policy
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Date: 23 May 2023
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Consultation:  Military Strategic 
Date:  23 May 2023
Commitments
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Commander Donald Dezentje, Director 
General Military Strategic Commitments 
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Date: 24 May 2023
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy, and 
Industry Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Senate Question - 29 March 2023)
Ukraine
Senator David Van
Question
1. Have all of the 90 Bushmasters promised by Australia to Ukraine on 8 April and 27 October 
2022, been delivered?
2. What promised Australian military assistance for Ukraine remains outstanding?
Answer
1. To maintain operational security for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Defence will not confirm 
the exact dates the Bushmasters will depart or be delivered, nor the exact number of those 
currently operating in Ukraine. The schedule of delivery remains on track.
2. Defence continues to deliver on Australia’s military assistance commitments to Ukraine, 
including finalising the delivery of uncrewed aerial systems, Bushmasters and elements of the 
latest Australian defence industry package. The ADF will continue to train Ukrainian recruits 
in the United Kingdom throughout 2023 and Defence is progressing the joint proposal with 
France to supply Ukraine with 155mm artillery ammunition. 
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Senate Question 
Ukraine
Senator Jacquie Lambie
Written Question
1. Regarding the war in Ukraine, has the Department received any requests from Ukraine for
military aid beyond what is currently being provided (e.g., more than the announced
uncrewed aerial systems, training, artillery shells, and bushmasters)?
2. Has the Commonwealth agreed to all requests for support from Ukraine?
3. Has the Department received any requests to provide tanks to the Ukrainian war effort?
4. Is the Department considering providing M1A1 Abrams tanks to the Ukrainian war effort?
5. Is the Department considering fast tracking the current procurement of M1A2 Abram
tanks, and then gifting some of Australia’s soon to be replaced fleet of M1A1 Abram tanks to
the Ukrainian war effort.
Answer
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. No.
Senate Estimates Question
Ukraine
Senator Simon Birmingham
Written Question
1. Please provide a table of all Australian assistance to Ukraine, and surrounding countries,
since the Russian invasion in February 2022. Please include:
a. Date announced
b. Dollar value
c. Detail of assistance
d. Whether the assistance has been delivered in full or in part or remains committed but un-
delivered or otherwise.
2. Please provide the same breakdown requested in Q1 across all portfolios which have
provided support.
Answer
1. To date, Australia has committed to providing more than $510 million in military assistance
to Ukraine.
Australia’s military support packages to Ukraine, including dates of announcement and dollar 
value, are publicly detailed on the Ministerial Media Release page of Defence’s website.
For operational security reasons Defence will not comment on the delivery status of specific 
capabilities to Ukraine. The schedule of delivery remains on track.
2. Defence is not in a position to comment on support provided by other portfolios.
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Supplementary Estimates Question 
Ukraine
Senator David Van
Written Question
1. Are Autonomous systems a sovereign priority for Defence?
2. Are Australian defence industry companies currently supplying drones to Ukraine.
3. Are any of these drones we are sending to Ukraine in service with the ADF
4. Have Defence’s awarded autonomous systems contracts to Australian companies in the 
Last 2 years? If so which ones?
5. Has Defence’s awarded autonomous systems contracts to foreign companies in the Last 2 
years? If so which ones?
6. How many Australian made drones are in service with foreign nations defence forces 
Answer
1. Remotely operated systems, a subset of autonomous systems, are operated by Defence. 
The development and military application of autonomous systems are being considered 
among other priorities.
2. Defence is aware that some Australian companies have supplied drones to Ukraine. 
Defence does not track the commercial export of Australian manufactured drones.
3. No, none of the un-crewed air systems Defence is sending to Ukraine are in service with 
the ADF.
4. Defence does not track contracts relating to ‘autonomous systems’ specifically.
5. See answer to question 4 above.
6. See answer to question 2 above.
 
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Ukraine
Senator David Van
Written Question
1. Has the Department of Defence made any requests to the Government, the Minister for 
Defence or the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to reopen the embassy in Kyiv? If so, 
can the Department provide me with the details of these requests?
2. Has the Department of Defence made any requests to the Government, the Minister for 
Defence or the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to send Defence attaches or Defence 
personnel into Ukraine? If so, can the Department provide me with these requests?
3. How many Bushmasters have been delivered, and are in combat or theatre, since the 
Prime Minister visited Ukraine on the 4th of July?
4. There have been reports that Ukraine has requested the assistance of the United States to 
deliver Australian Bushmasters as the delivery time has been slow, is the Department aware 
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of this request? - Has the Department of Defence attempted to speed up the delivery of the 
vehicles in light of this request? If not why not?
5. Does the Department have a delivery timeline of the Bushmasters? If so, can the
Department provide me with the timeline?
6. When does the Department expect all the Bushmasters to be delivered?
Answer
1. No.
2. No.
3. Due to operational security, Defence will not confirm the exact number of vehicles
delivered since 4 July 2022, nor can we confirm whether they are in combat or theatre.
4. Defence cannot comment on discussions between Ukraine and the United States. Defence
is transporting military assistance to Europe utilising its strategic airlift fleet (C-17
Globemaster) and contracted Antonov AN-124 commercial aircraft.
5. Defence maintains a regular schedule of delivery to fulfil its commitments. Due to
operational security, Defence will not confirm the exact dates vehicles will be delivered into
Ukraine.
6. See answer to question 5.
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What is the status of force posture cooperation with the United States? 

Australia and the United states have agreed to enhance force posture cooperation 
across land, maritime and logistics, including by:

continuing the United States rotational presence in Australia, in air (United States 
Bomber Task Force rotations), maritime (Submarine Rotational Force-West 
nuclear-powered submarine rotations as early as 2027) and land capabilities;

identifying priority locations in Australia to support enhanced United States force 
posture, with associated infrastructure;

prepositioning stores, munitions and fuel in support of United States capabilities 
in Australia, and demonstrating logistics interoperability through joint exercises;

co-developing agile logistics at nominated airfields to support more sustained, 
responsive and resilient rotations of United States aircraft; and

strengthening United States land presence by expanding locations for United 
States Army and Marine Corps rotations to enable exercises and activities, and 
further opportunities for regional engagement.
What munitions will the United States pre-position and when as part of force posture 
cooperation? 

As per the 2014 Force Posture Agreement, Australia and the United States will mutually 
determine the type of material to be prepositioned.

The Government remains committed to its international treaty obligations, including 
the South Pacific Nuclear Free Zone Treaty, which prohibits stationing of any nuclear 
explosive device in Australia.
Are Force Posture Initiatives in Australia a response to China? 

Australia-United States force posture cooperation is not focused on any one country, it 
is focused on maintaining an open, inclusive and resilient region.
What are the economic benefits of Force Posture Initiatives to Australia? 

To date there have been eight infrastructure projects awarded for delivery with an 
approximate value of $2.09 billion (around USD $1.39 billion). 

Australian businesses and joint ventures have won four of five United States-funded 
contracts awarded to date, to the value of AUD $294.7 million (around USD $198.4 
million).
How are Australia and the United States increasing defence cooperation in the Pacific?

Australia welcomes the United States renewed focus on our part of the world.
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Our burgeoning partnership with the United States Coast Guard in the Pacific, 
announced at Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 2022, is especially 
promising.

From 2023, the United States Coast Guard will offer training to Pacific Island 
Countries that participate in Australia’s Pacific Maritime Security Program, 
expanding the benefit derived from the Australian-gifted Guardian-class Patrol 
Boat fleet.

We welcome the United States intent to make additional assets available to 
Pacific Island Countries for maritime surveillance tasking – reinforcing sovereign 
capacity to protect their vast maritime domains.

Australia and the United States will also combine resources to accelerate efforts 
to dispose of explosive remnants of war in the Pacific.
How are Australia and the United States removing barriers to deeper collaboration?

The complex and challenging security landscape demands we more effectively combine 
our strengths and pool resources across sovereign boundaries – this is an Alliance 
priority. 

We must integrate our technology and industrial bases in ways that make a difference; 
optimising procurement, investment, information and data sharing systems to ensure 
we are collaborating as effectively as possible.

At Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 2022, Australia and the United 
States committed to strengthen efforts to better streamline and facilitate technology 
transfer and information sharing, including under the Australia- United States Defense 
Trade Cooperation Treaty.
With the growth of United States assets and personnel in Australia, how has the Government 
retained space to make sovereign decisions in the national interest?

Our Alliance strengthens, rather than diminishes, Australia’s sovereignty affording us 
access to capability, technology and intelligence we could not acquire on our own. 

The 2014 Force Posture Agreement stipulates that all access to, and use of, facilities 
and areas by United States forces in Australia will be: 

on a rotational basis; 

mutually determined; and 

at the invitation of Australia with full respect for our sovereignty. 

The Government always makes sovereign decisions in our national interest.
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The longstanding policy of full knowledge and concurrence effectively protects 
Australia’s right to know, understand, and agree to foreign government military and 
intelligence activities conducted in, from, or through Australia and our assets.
What did Australia achieve at Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 2022?

Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 2022 made clear the strong alignment 
between Australia and the United States.

At its heart was a consensus that we must operationalise our Alliance to support a 
stable Indo-Pacific region and contribute to credible collective deterrence.

This culminated in agreement to enhance force posture cooperation, break down 
barriers to collaboration and expand collaboration with our valued partners – notably 
Japan and Pacific Island countries.
Are there plans for United States bases in Australia?

Consistent with longstanding bipartisan policy, Australia does not host foreign bases.

Australia’s cooperation with the United States through joint and collaborative facilities 
is one of our most longstanding security arrangements.
Would Australia join the United States in a conflict over Taiwan?

It would be irresponsible to speculate on this hypothetical scenario. 

It is up to all parties to invest in a stable, peaceful and prosperous region.

Australia remains committed to supporting stability across the Taiwan Strait.
If pressed: Would Australia join the United States in a conflict over Taiwan?

The Australia, New Zealand and United States Treaty obliges Australia and the United 
States to consult each other where either party believes its territorial integrity, political 
independence or security is threatened.
What does it mean to make climate change a pillar of the Alliance?

Climate change is a national security issue that demands urgent action.

There is significant scope for Australia and the United States to collaborate on climate 
resilience, trial new technologies and test alternative energy sources.
Supporting Information
For recent Ministerial Comments, Freedom of Information requests, and Media Reporting 
relating to AUKUS Pillar I please refer to SB23-000390. 
For recent Ministerial Comments, Freedom of Information requests, and Media Reporting 
relating to AUKUS Pillar II please refer to SB23-000408. 
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Position: Acting Deputy Secretary 
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For recent Ministerial Comments, Freedom of Information requests, and Media Reporting 
relating to Climate Change Policy please refer to SB23-000414. 
Questions on Notice 
Supplementary Estimates: 15 February 2023

QoN 31, B-21 Bombers, Senator David Shoebridge (Greens, New South Wales) asked 
about the resolution that was added to the US National Defense Authorization Act for 
2023. 
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests

On 14 March 2023, an individual sought access to the arrangement between Australia 
and the United States regarding ‘Agreed Facilities and Areas’, entered into under the 
Force Posture Agreement. The relevant Memorandum of Understanding was not 
released, as Defence determined the record exempt under Section 33(a) of the 
Freedom of Information Act. The decision is due to the applicant 23 April 2023.

On 03 March 2023, an individual sought access to documents concerning the 
2023 February Supplementary Budget Estimates, including Estimates briefing packs. A 
decision is due back to the applicant 14 April 2023. Defence did not identify any 
sensitives within the briefs. Other areas have sensitives and therefore the decision is 
not expected to be a full release. The request has not been finalised. 

On 06 February 2023, an individual sought access to documents concerning the 
Deputy Prime Minister’s bilateral meeting with United States Secretary of Defense 
Austin on 3 February 2023. Defence partially released some documents and refused 
access to others in accordance with Section 33(a) of the Freedom of Information Act as 
they would or could cause damage to the international relations of the 
Commonwealth. The decision was signed 30 March 2023, and was released on 5 April 
2023.
Recent Ministerial Comments

On 09 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister made a statement to Parliament 
titled Securing Australia’s Sovereignty. 

On 07 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister undertook a press interview in 
Washington DC, discussing the Australia-United States Alliance and AUKUS.

On 06 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Minister and their United 
States counterparts conducted a post- Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations 
joint press conference.

On 05 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister undertook a bilateral meeting with 
United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III, with opening remarks released.
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On 03 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister issued a joint 
media release in advance of their travel to the United States and Japan.

On 12 July 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister delivered a speech on the Australia-United 
States Alliance at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC.
Relevant Media Reporting

On 24 April 2023, the ABC reported the Defence Strategic Review states Australia is 
building its own long-range strike force - in part to give Australia the power to project 
into its seas by itself, rather than relying on allies such as the United States.

On 26 April 2023, the Australian newspaper reported the Defence Strategic Review 
notes the United States is no longer the unipolar leader of the Indo-Pacific

On 12 December 2022, The Mercury reported on China’s reaction to Australia-United 
States Ministerial Consultations announcements, including that the Alliance was 
‘stirring up division and confrontation’. 

On 08 December 2022, The Australian reported that the United States would not allow 
Australia to have a ‘capability gap’ ahead of it acquiring nuclear-powered submarines.  

On 07 December 2022, the ABC reported on Australia-United States Ministerial 
Consultations discussions, highlighting increasing force posture cooperation and 
deepening military cooperation with Japan as key outcomes.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: Acting Director United States Alliance Policy
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary 
Branch: America, UK and East Asia
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone:  s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000420
Last updated: 27 April 2023
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 38
Division:
Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
PDR No: 
SB23-000420
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
s47E(d)
, Acting Director United 
Sam Higgins, Acting First Assistant Secretary, 
States Alliance Policy, Americas, United 
International Policy Division
Kingdom and East Asia, International Policy 
Mob: s22
        Ph: s47E(d)
Division
Date: 27 April 2023
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
 
Date: 26 April 2023
Consultation: s47E(d)
, Director, 
Date: 03 April 2023
International Engagement, International 
Mob: s22
      Ph: s47E(d)
     
Policy and Agreements Division. Nuclear 
Powered Submarine Task Force
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: Amy Hawkins, 
Date:  01 May 2023
FAS Policy and Engagement
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date:  27 April 2023
Teresa Blair, Acting Deputy Secretary 
Strategy, Policy, and Industry Group
Questions on notice referred to within the brief:
Estimates Question
 (15 February 2023) 
Defence Policy on disqualify arms corporation
Senator David Shoebridge
Question
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Mr Yannopoulos, do you know if there is a policy inside Defence that 
would disqualify an arms supplier if they had been found to have been engaged in proven 
corruption of government officials? Is there a policy to that effect?
Mr Yannopoulos: I'm not aware, but I'll take it on notice and confirm it.
Senator SHOEBRIDGE: In that regard in particular, Thales was of course involved in the 
Hawkei procurement scandal. It was demonstrated to have used its access to high-ranking 
government officials when seeking to influence the awarding of contracts. Has Defence 
reviewed that in relation to that corporation?
Mr Yannopoulos: I'm not aware. I'll take that one on notice.
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: Acting Director United States Alliance Policy
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary 
Branch: America, UK and East Asia
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone:  s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Senator SHOEBRIDGE: Is Defence aware of the current outstanding criminal hearing in South 
Africa against that same corporation on charges of corruption and fraud? Is Defence tracking 
that?
Answer
Defence was not consulted
Prepared By:
Cleared By:
Name: s47E(d)
Name: Teresa Blair
Position: Acting Director United States Alliance Policy
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary 
Branch: America, UK and East Asia
Group: Strategy, Policy, and Industry 
Phone:  s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000421
Last updated: 12 April 2023
  
         Woomera Prohibited Area
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Antakirinja Matu-Yankunytjatjara;

Arabana;

Gawler Ranges;

Kokatha; and 

Maralinga Tjarutja.
Other users 

The Woomera Prohibited Area contains economic deposits of minerals, including 
copper, gold, iron, uranium and silver. The four mines in the Woomera Prohibited Area, 
managed by the South Australia Government, are:

Prominent Hill (Active: OZ Minerals); 

Cairn Hill (Active: Cu-River Mining Australia); 

Peculiar Knob (Active: Southern Iron); and 

Challenger (Care and maintenance: Challenger 2).
AUKUS Nuclear Waste

Recent media coverage has called out Woomera as a potential site for waste generated 
by the nuclear-powered submarines. 

As a responsible nuclear steward, Australia will manage all radioactive waste from its 
nuclear-powered submarines domestically, including:

Low-level, operational waste generated by day-to-day submarine operations and 
sustainment, and spent fuel and intermediate-level waste that will be produced 
once Australia’s submarines reach end-of-life.

While no decision has been made on the location for the disposal of spent nuclear fuel, 
the Government is committed to this waste being stored and disposed on Defence 
land.

Over 2023, Defence, in consultation with relevant agencies including the Australian 
Radioactive Waste Agency, will conduct a review of the current or future Defence 
estate to identify locations suitable for the storage and disposal of intermediate and 
high-level radioactive waste, including spent nuclear fuel. 

The outcomes of the review will inform a more detailed process which will include 
consultation and engagement with stakeholders, including communities and 
Indigenous groups. 
Foreign investment in the Woomera Prohibited Area

Five companies with foreign ownership currently have permission to access the 
Woomera Prohibited Area: 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Cu-River Mining Australia Pty Ltd - resource production (mining) permit 
(Chinese – 100%);

Maosen Australia Pty Ltd - resource exploration permit (Chinese – 100%);

BHP Billiton Olympic Dam Corporation Pty Ltd - resource exploration permit 
(United Kingdom – 22 per cent; United States of America – 22 per cent); 

South Australian Coal Pty Ltd – resource exploration permit (United Kingdom – 
37 per cent); and

Rio Tinto Exploration Pty Limited – resource exploration permit (United Kingdom 
– 33 per cent; United States of America – 24 per cent). 

Defence legislation regulates all other user access to the Woomera Prohibited Area, 
with permits assessed and decided on a case-by-case basis. 

The Woomera Prohibited Area is ‘national security land’ under the Foreign Acquisitions 
and Takeovers Act 1975, and any foreign investment in mining, exploration and 
pastoral operations will be reviewed under the Act. 

Foreign investors must also notify the Foreign Investment Review Board of proposed 
investment in the Woomera Prohibited Area.
Cu-River Mining Australia

Cu-River Mining Australia holds a resource production permit for the Cairn Hill mine in 
the Woomera Prohibited Area. It was issued in 2015 and expires in August 2024. 

The company also holds three exploration tenements licensed by the South 
Australia Government, however it does not hold a Defence permit to access or 
undertake activities in those tenements in the Woomera Prohibited Area.

Cu-River Mining is wholly owned and managed by a Chinese citizen. 

A new $100 million port at Port Augusta will support export operations at the Cairn Hill mine 
and Peak Iron’s Peculiar Knob mine (also in the Woomera Prohibited Area). 

Dealings between Cu-River and Defence are subject to privacy and commercial 
considerations. It is not appropriate to discuss the details or outcomes of applications.
Removal of missile debris at Lake Hart West

Kokatha Traditional owners discovered missile debris in early 2021 at Lake Hart (within 
the Woomera Prohibited Area). They reported damage to Defence, including risk of 
serious injury or death, damage to culturally significant sites, and prevention of safe 
access to the area.

Defence made all practicable efforts to recover the debris in a reasonable timeframe. 
Defence engaged closely with Traditional Owners, with a number of searches 
conducted. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000421
Last updated: 12 April 2023
  
         Woomera Prohibited Area
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 39

Defence advised, based on specialist advice, that the missile debris was inert. The 
missile debris was removed by Defence in January 2022, with no additional disruption 
of the site.
Complaint to the Australian National Contact Point 

The Kokatha Traditional Owners, Messers Andrew and Robert Starkey, lodged a 
complaint with the Australian National Contact Point against the weapon manufacturer 
Saab, following discovery of the missile debris in early 2021.

It alleges Saab has failed to observe the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and 
Development Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises. 

It would be inappropriate for Defence to comment on a matter subject to an 
independent complaints process.
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency

Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency has requested Defence’s permission to land 
another sample capsule in the Woomera Prohibited Area in 2029 as part of its 
Martian Moons eXploration mission. 

Defence and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency previously worked together to 
facilitate the successful landing and retrieval of the Hayabusa asteroid samples in the 
Woomera Prohibited Area in 2010 and 2020.

Japan is a valued strategic partner and Defence sees the Martian Moons eXploration 
collaboration as an opportunity to strengthen our bilateral relationship and scientific 
collaboration.

The Minister for Industry and Science is responsible for space returns and has received 
the Deputy Prime Minister’s in-principle support to progress negotiations with 
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency to consider this request. 

In Perth on 22 October 2022, the Prime Minister and Japanese Prime Minister Kishida 
confirmed in-principle support for Australia to host the landing and retrieval of Japan’s 
Martian Moons eXploration capsule in 2029. 
Background

The Woomera Prohibited Area is governed by two legislative regimes that provide 
access to other users: 

The Woomera Prohibited Area Rule 2014 under the Defence Act 1903 establishes 
a permit scheme for non-Defence access to the Woomera Prohibited Area. 

The Defence Force Regulations 1952 Part VII provides preserved rights of access 
to non-Defence users that held an interest in the Woomera Prohibited Area prior 
to 2014. These include Aboriginal groups, pastoralists, railway authorities and two 
existing mining operations.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000421
Last updated: 12 April 2023
  
         Woomera Prohibited Area
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 39

Non-Defence users require permits or permission from Defence to access the 
Woomera Prohibited Area, except for areas covered by standing access arrangements 
for the Woomera Village, main roads and railway.

Defence and the South Australia Government have a memorandum of understanding 
that sets out coexistence management and consultative arrangements.

In March 2019, the former Government agreed to the recommendations from the 2018 
Review of Coexistence (the Review) in the Woomera Prohibited Area.

The Review sought to ensure that coexistence in the Woomera Prohibited Area 
continues and the policy and governance framework remains contemporary and 
fit for purpose.

Defence is well advanced in implementing the Review recommendations with the 
Department of Industry, Science and Resources, the South Australian Government and 
Defence SA. 

The Woomera Prohibited Area Advisory Board, independently chaired by the 
Hon Amanda Vanstone AO, also has oversight of review implementation and the 
coexistence framework.

The Woomera Prohibited Area is mainly South Australia Crown and Aboriginal freehold 
land, subject to resource exploration and mining tenements, pastoral leases, opal 
fields, conservation areas and four native title determinations. Only a small part of the 
Woomera Prohibited Area is Commonwealth land.

The 2020 Force Structure Plan commits $600-$900 million in additional Defence Estate 
investment over the next 10 years to advance the ‘Woomera Redevelopment and 
Refresh’ program and upgrade the Woomera Range Complex.

On 09 March 2023, the Assistant Minister for Defence, announced the Government’s 
commitment to reforming Defence legislation. The proposed Reforms will seek to 
ensure Defence is able to meet the challenges of a rapidly changing strategic 
environment. Wider public consultation on the Defence Act is underway. Targeted 
consultation is occurring, with stakeholders that have interest in the Woomera 
Prohibited Area, to examine whether complementary reforms should be pursued.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In June 2022, an individual sought access under Freedom of Information to Woomera 
Prohibited Area Board papers. Documents released on 15 September 2022. 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000421
Last updated: 12 April 2023
  
         Woomera Prohibited Area
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 39

In January 2022, an individual sought access under Freedom of Information to 
documentation concerning correspondence between Defence and Saab on the 
discovery of a missile. Documents release on 25 March 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 09 March 2023, the Assistant Minister for Defence, announced the Australian 
Government’s commitment to reforming Defence legislation. 

On 22 October 2022 the Australian and Japanese Prime Ministers issued a joint 
statement and media release during the latter’s visit to Australia which reaffirmed the 
Special Strategic Partnership between Australia and Japan. In the joint statement, the 
two nations confirmed in-principle support for Australia to host the Japanese MMX 
mission in 2029. 
Relevant Media Reporting

On 23 March 2023, the Australian Financial Review published an article titled AUKUS 
nuclear waste dump should be at Woomera. Journalists Philip Coorey and Andrew 
Tillett cite former Howard government minister Nick Minchin advising Deputy Prime 
Minister to identify the Woomera as the site for nuclear waste dump required under 
the AUKUS pact. 

On 19 March 2023, the Guardian published an article titled Spectre of Maralinga hangs 
over Aukus nuclear waste for Indigenous communities. Journalists Sarah Collard and 
Donna Lu highlight the Maralinga Tjarutja and Kokatha opposition to the potential 
storage of nuclear waste on their traditional lands. 

In November 2022 a number of media organisations reported on Oz Mineral’s Board 
endorsement of BHP’s $9.6 billion acquisition offer.

On 11 June 2022, SBS online published an in-depth article titled The Australian farmers 
tending to sheep and dodging rockets. Journalist Peta Doherty wrote about living in the 
Woomera Prohibited Area, the discovery of a 1950s rocket and wanting “solutions” to 
disruptions caused by testing.

In February and April 2022 a number of media outlets reported on the discovery of a 
missile at a Kokatha Aboriginal heritage site, the resulting complaint by individuals 
against Saab and the length of the time it took to remove the missile.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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PDR No: SB23-000421
Last updated: 12 April 2023
  
         Woomera Prohibited Area
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 39
Division:
Strategic Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000421
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head:
Kate Leane, Acting Assistant Secretary 
Amanda Toms, Acting First Assistant 
Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch Secretary Strategic Policy
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 3 April 2023
Date: 4 April 2023  
Consultation:  Air Force Headquarters, Air 
Date: 31 March 2023
Capability Enablers, Directorate Security
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
s47E(d)
, Acting Director 
General Air Capability Enablers
Consultation:  Defence Legal
Date: 4 April 2023
Anna Rudziejewski, Defence General Council Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Consultation: Nuclear Powered Submarine 
Date: 04 April 2023
Task Force
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Sophia Blix, Assistant Secretary Non-
Proliferation
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR:
Date: 04 April 2022
Finance – Specialist Groups, SP&I,                            Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Defence Finance.
Emma McCarthy, Assistant Secretary Finance 
Specialist Groups
Cleared by Deputy Secretary (or equivalent 
Date: 11 April 2023  
Band 3/3*):
Stephen Moore, Acting Deputy Secretary
Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Kate Leane
Name: Stephen Moore
Position: A/Assistant Secretary Strategic Engagement and Corporate Branch
Position: Acting Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategic, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000422
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Port of Darwin Review and Foreign Investment
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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allowing the Government to undertake inspections to monitor compliance with 
conditions. 
Port of Darwin 

The Prime Minister has stated the Government will review the circumstances of the 
Port of Darwin lease.

The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet is leading this review. Defence is 
supporting the review, as required.

Further questions relating to the review of the Port of Darwin lease can be referred to 
the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.
If pressed: Did the Commonwealth Government approve the 2015 lease of the Port of Darwin?

The decision to lease the Port of Darwin was made by the Northern Territory 
Government.

Under the foreign investment arrangements in place at the time, the then Government 
was not required to approve the Northern Territory Government’s 2015 lease of the 
commercial Port of Darwin to Landbridge.

In 2016, the Foreign Acquisitions and Takeovers Act 1975 was amended to enable the 
Government to review foreign investment proposals relating to state and territory 
government asset sales. Since then, additional measures have been implemented to 
strengthen the foreign investment framework. These measures do not apply 
retrospectively.

Further questions on foreign investment can be referred to Treasury.
If pressed: How does Defence use the Port of Darwin? 

Defence uses the commercial facilities in the Port of Darwin periodically, generally for 
logistics support, resupply and crew respite. 

The Commonwealth-owned HMAS Coonawarra provides the ADF’s main port facilities 
in Darwin.

Defence interests in the Port of Darwin are covered by a robust governance regime, 
including a legally-binding Deed of Licence and other legislative, contractual and 
security measures.

The Deed of Licence is with the Northern Territory Government. There are a range of 
options available to the Northern Territory Government to enforce Landbridge’s 
obligations under legislation and the lease.

Defence has a general power to access the Port facilities under the Defence Act 1903
The Security of Critical Infrastructure Act 2018 also provides protections for the 
Government’s interests in the Port of Darwin and other ports around Australia.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
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Last updated: 11 April 2023 
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Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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If pressed: Are there security implications for future operational demands with the United 
States?

The Joint Statement on Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations in 2022 noted 
the Alliance and partnership have never been stronger. 

The Joint Statement announced the next steps for Enhanced Force Posture 
Cooperation in Australia across land, air, maritime and logistics domains.

The United States continues to invest in infrastructure to support United States force 
posture cooperation in Australia.
Background 

As at 31 March 2023, Defence has assessed 284 Foreign Investment Review Board 
applications in the 2022-23 financial year to date. 

Defence assessed 404 Foreign Investment Review Board applications in the 2021-22 
financial year.

Treasury’s Quarterly Report on Foreign Investment 01 October – 31 December 2022 
states 1,563 commercial applications were approved by the Treasurer in 2021-22.

This represents a value of $330.5 billion compared to $227.2 billion in 2020-21.

The Foreign Relations (State and Territory Arrangements) Act 2020 does not apply to 
arrangements with corporations operating on a commercial basis, such as Landbridge.
Timeline of Significant Events – Port of Darwin 
Date
Action
20 October 2021
The first Security Legislation Amendment (Critical Infrastructure) Bill 
was passed in the House of Representatives.
13 October 2021
Defence completed its review on the Port of Darwin.
06 August 2021
Government’s response to the Joint Standing Committee on Trade 
and Investment Growth’s report considering the applicability of the 
Foreign Relations (State and Territory Arrangements) Act 2020 to 
the Port of Darwin lease was tabled.
02 May 2021
The then Minister for Defence confirmed the “National Security 
Committee of Cabinet had tasked his department to come back with 
some advice” on the Port of Darwin.
17 March 2021
The Joint Standing Committee on Trade and Investment Growth 
tabled its report considering the applicability of the Foreign 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000422
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Port of Darwin Review and Foreign Investment
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
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Relations (State and Territory Arrangements) Act 2020 to the 
Port of Darwin lease.
03 December 2020
The Foreign Relations (State and Territory Arrangements) Bill 2020 
passes both Houses of Parliament.
11 July 2018
Commencement of Security of Critical Infrastructure Act 2018.
31 March 2016
Changes to the foreign investment framework to consider sale of 
state and territory government assets.
13 October 2015
Landbridge Group formally wins bid for the lease of the 
Port of Darwin.
13 May 2015
Commonwealth Deed of Licence agreed with the Northern Territory 
Government.
Supporting Information
Questions on Notice 


No QoNs asked
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

In October 2022, a media organisation sought access under Freedom of Information to 
documentation relating to the Defence review of the Port of Darwin. On 19 November 
2022, the media organisation was informed that no documents were found to be in 
scope of the request.

In May 2022, a media organisation sought access under Freedom of Information to 
documentation relating to the Defence review of the Port of Darwin. Documents were 
released on 19 August 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 21 February 2023, the Assistant Minister for Defence conducted a door-stop 
interview in Darwin, and stated the review of the Port of Darwin lease was ongoing.

On 23 August 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister appeared on several breakfast news 
shows and stated the Government will review the Port of Darwin lease.

On 22 August 2022, during a press conference the Prime Minister stated, ‘I have said 
that we will be reviewing the Darwin Port lease. I have asked for advice and when we 
receive it we will make it public.’
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000422
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Port of Darwin Review and Foreign Investment
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 40

On 22 July 2022, the Treasurer, together with Ministers Collins, Jones and Leigh issued 
a joint media release announcing an increase to foreign investment applications fees 
and penalties from 29 July 2022.

On 08 June 2022, the Prime Minister, during a press conference with the Chief Minister 
of the Northern Territory, stated there will be a review into the circumstances of the 
Port of Darwin lease.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 21 February 2023, ABC News published an article, Federal government blocks 
access to Darwin Port advice given to Prime Minister’s office, citing national security 
risks. Journalist Jano Gibson reported on the outcomes of a Freedom of Information 
request on the Port of Darwin review.

On 06 December 2022, The Australian Financial Review published an article, Critical 
minerals sector takes aim at FIRB. Journalist Brad Thompson wrote major investors 
believe the Foreign Investment Review Board is inconsistent on China with excessive 
checks and balances for national security concerns. 

On 07 September 2022, News.com.au published a short report, Timor-Leste’s $100bn 
demand to Australia and the world on climate. Journalist Courtney Gould described 
statements from Timor-Leste President that Australia should not criticise other 
countries on Chinese investment given Landbridge’s lease of the Port of Darwin.

On 29 August 2022, ABC News published a brief article, Chinese-owned company 
Landbridge rejects ‘myths and mistruths’ about Darwin Port Lease. Journalist Jano 
Gibson wrote that Port of Darwin leaseholder Landbridge believes it has been subject 
to unwarranted concerns and ‘mistruths’.

On 22 August 2022, The Canberra Times published an article, PM pledges to reveal 
Darwin port review. Journalist Dominic Giannini reported on the Prime Minister’s 
statement that the Government will review the Darwin port ownership.

On 22 August 2022, ABC News published an exclusive report, National security review 
of Darwin Port to remain secret, but Defence releases ‘talking points’. Journalist Jano 
Gibson described the outcomes of a Freedom of Information request regarding 
Defence’s Port of Darwin review.

On 28 June 2022, The Canberra Times published an article, Labor government still has 
some big challenges with China. Journalist Yun Jiang wrote that serious challenges in 
the bilateral relationship with China will test the Government in the months ahead. 

On 22 June 2022, ABC News published an article, Chinese investors fast abandoning 
Australia but still hold vast amounts of infrastructure, land and water. Journalist Samuel 
Yang wrote Chinese investors are fast abandoning Australia as the bilateral relationship 
dampens trade, with a report showing Chinese investment in Australia nosedived by 
almost 70 per cent last year to the lowest level since 2007.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Page 5 of 7

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000422
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Port of Darwin Review and Foreign Investment
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 40
Division:
Strategic Policy
PDR No: 
SB23-000422
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Catherine Bell, Acting Assistant Secretary, 
Amanda Toms, Acting First Assistant 
National Security and Resilience Branch
Secretary, Strategic Policy Division
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 03 April 2023
Date: 12 April 2023  
Consultation:  Department of the Treasury
Date: 31 March 2023 
Name: s47F
, Acting Assistant 
Ph: s47F
Secretary Frameworks Branch
Consultation:  Department of the Prime 
Date: 31 March 2023
Minister and Cabinet
Mob: s47F
    Ph: s47F
s47F
, Director Critical 
Infrastructure and Countering Foreign 
Interference
Consultation:  Parliamentary and 
Date:  31 March 2023  
Governance Branch, Nuclear Powered 
Mob: s22
 Ph: s47E(d)
Submarine Taskforce
Matt Mckeon, Assistant Secretary
Consultation:  AUKUS Initiatives, Strategic 
Date:  03 April 2023  
Policy Division
Mob: s22
     Ph: s47E(d)
  
Colin McKenna, Assistant Secretary 
Consultation:  Americas, UK and East Asia, 
Date:  31 March 2023  
International Policy Division
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Robert McGregor, Assistant Secretary
Consultation: Navy Infrastructure, Navy
Date:  03 April 2023  
Commodore Nathan Robb, Director General  Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Navy Logistics
Consultation:  Strategic Logistics, Joint 
Date:  03 April 2023  
Capabilities Group
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
  
Air Commodore Veronica Tyler, Deputy 
Commander Joint Logistics
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Page 6 of 7

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000422
Last updated: 11 April 2023 
     Port of Darwin Review and Foreign Investment
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witness: Hugh Jeffrey
Document 40
Consultation:  Estate Planning Branch, 
Date:  30 March 2023  
Security and Estate Group
Mob: s22
Ph: s47E(d)
Pat Sowry, Assistant Secretary
Cleared by CFO / DPG / DSR: N/A 
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 11 April 2023  
Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary, Strategy, Policy, and 
Industry
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Catherine Bel
Name: Hugh Jeffrey
Position: A/Assistant Secretary National Security and Resilience
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Strategic Policy
Group/Service: Strategy, Policy, and Industry
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Phone: s47E(d)  | s22
Page 7 of 7



Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
Talking Points 
Supply Chain Security Audit

Defence supply chains are broad, diverse and complex. The identification or 
designation of manufacturers or technologies of concern engages a range of 
Commonwealth Policy equities across the Attorney-Generals’ Department, Department 
of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Home Affairs, Department of Finance and the National 
Intelligence Community.

The Attorney-General’s Department has recently established an inter-departmental 
Technical Advisory Forum under the Government Security Committee, to develop 
whole-of-Government guidance on technologies of concerns. Defence is a member of 
this forum and will work with the Attorney-General’s Department and other agencies 
on development of advice. 

Defence has commenced engagement and planning for the conduct of this audit 
recognising the extensive, diverse and complex supply chains that support Defence 
capability.

The audit will include benchmarking Australian policy against approaches of Five-Eyes 
partners. 
CCTV Audit

On 09 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister directed Defence to undertake an 
assessment and remove CCTV devices of concern. Defence conducted a physical audit 
of the Defence Estate to identify and register all CCTV devices. This audit was 
completed on 04 April 2023. 

The audit found an additional 435 devices in 59 CCTV systems that were not recorded 
in the Garrison Estate Management System database. Devices by brand and type are: 
Devices identified in the physical audit
Brand
Cameras Other devices
Total
Dahua
167
25
257
HIKVISION
162
16
178
Honeywell (rebranded Dahua devices)
65
-
65
Total 
394
41
435

Following Security Risk Assessments, 157 devices were removed, and a further 48 
devices decommissioned pending removal (specialist equipment to work at heights is 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Page 2 of 8

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
required). 230 devices remained in use in order to manage safety and physical security 
risks. 

On 03 May 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister directed Defence to remove the remaining 
230 devices immediately. A replacement program is underway.  As at 17 May 2023, 180 
devices remain in use. All will be removed by 30 June 2023 as supplies are available.

None of the identified devices were connected to Defence networks.

On 22 September 2021, the Australian Cyber Security Centre, within Australian Signals 
Directorate, provided Government advice on HIKVISION devices. This advice is provided 
on their website at: Critical vulnerability in certain HIKVISION products, IP cameras | 
Cyber.gov.au. No Government advice has been provided on Dahua products.
Why isn’t it a requirement for Defence to register all CCTV devices on its estate?

Defence requires all CCTV components to be registered on its Garrison Estate 
Management System. The recent audit has highlighted some inaccurate and 
incomplete data.  There are a number of reasons for this:

A number of sites have been added to the Defence Estate since the review was 
undertaken; 

Installation of CCTV devices has occurred outside Estate management processes.

Some premises were not included in data holdings, e.g. leased buildings, housing, 
commercial premises on bases ie. banks, cafes, and childcare centres. 

Defence has reviewed its processes to ensure all future CCTV devices will be updated 
into GEMS. 
DJI Drones

The ADF uses a variety of commercial off-the-shelf drone products, including some 
manufactured by DJI, as training tools for piloting Multi-Rotor Uncrewed Aerial 
Systems, and the collection of public affairs imagery.

The ADF has operated several hundred DJI Phantom Multi-Rotor Uncrewed Aerial 
Systems to expose soldiers, sailors, aviators and public servants to Uncrewed Aerial 
Systems basic operations and increase their Uncrewed Aerial Systems understanding. 

These systems improve Uncrewed Aerial Systems situational awareness and knowledge 
of:

basic drone flight; 

payload considerations; and 

Defence and civil UAS regulations.

On 09 August 2017, Defence suspended use of DJI products until a formal assessment 
into the cyber risk presented by these systems could be conducted. This suspension 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Page 3 of 8

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
was lifted after additional protocols and safeguards were enacted, including not 
connecting the products to the internet and restricting use. 

Defence has now ceased operation of all DJI Drones per the Secretary and CDF 
direction of 05 May 2023. 
If pressed: Are DJI drones built to withstand the rigours of the military use? 

DJI drones are built for the consumer electronics market. They do not meet reliability 
and durability standards required for military use.
If pressed: Is the ADF aware the United States Department of Defense has banned the use of 
DJI products? 

Defence understands DJI products are included in the United States Department of 
Commerce ‘entity list’, which identifies entities that may pose a national security threat 
to the United States.

Defence is aware of the United States Department of Defense policy to not use DJI 
products due to potential security risks. 
Background

The Attorney-General’s Department has established an inter-departmental Technical 
Advisory Forum, under the Government Security Committee, to develop whole-of-
government guidance on technologies of concerns. Defence is a member of this forum.
Supply Chain Security Audit

On 14 April 2023 Defence was tasked by the Deputy Prime Minister to undertake an 
audit to identify devices or products that might be linked to any manufacturers of 
concern. 
Defence is currently developing advice on the issues and a Terms of Reference that will 
considers the policy and how it operates, including in relationship security approaches of 
Five-Eyes partners; risk mitigation; procurement policy, costs and timeframes.
CCTV

Defence commenced the removal of HIKVISION security cameras in 2018.

On 26 November 2022, Defence analysed its Garrison Estate Management System data 
to identify any devices remaining from HIKVISION and Dahua. The 41 devices from 
these two manufacturers were identified and removed.

The physical audit identified 2,883 devices not registered in GEMS, and there are a 
number of reasons for this:

Historically, Groups and Services managed facilities in isolation; 

A number of sites have been added to the Defence Estate since the review was 
undertaken; and
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Page 4 of 8

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41

Installation of CCTV devices has occurred outside Estate management processes.

The audit produced a complete digital record of CCTV devices. 

A Security Risk Assessment was conducted on device of concern to determine if they 
could be removed immediately, or if the CCTV system was required to remain in place 
for physical security or safety reasons until replaced. This audit was supported by 
Security Division and Chief Information Officer Group.

Defence is issuing an instruction for the replacement CCTV procurements and 
requirement to update the Garrison Estate Management System as a mandatory 
process. A subsequent security related instruction will be released pending whole-of-
government direction on technologies of security concern.

The cost to date to complete the audit and to decommission and or remove 205 
devices has been approximately $0.432 million.

A procurement activity is currently underway to replace the remaining devices. 
Expected cost is approximately $0.92 million.
Supporting Information 
Senate: 29 November 2022

In QoN Q1089, Hikvision and/or Dahua manufactured devices, Senator James Paterson 
(Liberal, Victoria) asked to be provided with the number of HIKVISION and Dahua 
devices in use by Defence.
Senate: 27 February 2023

In QoN Q1466, Hikvision and Dahua Devices, Senator James Paterson (Liberal, Victoria) 
asked to be provided with the number of HIKVISION and Dahua devices in use by 
Defence. Not yet tabled.
Senate: 30 March 2023

In QoN 1743, Technology manufactured or sold by DJI, Senator James Paterson 
(Liberal, Victoria) asked whether or not the Department uses any technology 
manufactured or sold by DJI. Not yet tabled.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

None.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

No recent comments.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Page 5 of 8

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
Relevant Media Reporting 
Supply chain audit media

On 17 April 2023, The Australian published an article, Call for audit as Chinese drones 
join ADF war. Journalist Ellen Whinnett wrote that revelations that the ADF was using 
Chinese made DJI Drones, which had been blacklisted by the US citing concerns about 
links to the People’s Liberation Army.  
CCTV media

On 15 February 2023, The Canberra Times published an in-depth article, Chinese 'spy 
cams' operating across 17 Defence sites. Journalist Sarah Basford Canales wrote that 
‘Chinese-linked’ surveillance cameras remained in operation across Defence sites as 
recently as December 2022. 

On 2 December 2022, the Daily Telegraphy published an article titled You’re on China 
camera. Journalist James Morrow writes about the use of Chinese made cameras 
across Departments in Canberra.

On 26 November 2022, ABC News published an article titled US banning approval of 
new technology from China's Huawei and ZTE for 'national security'. The article covers 
the United States Government ban on a number of Chinese made technologies.

On 25 November 2022, ABC News reported on the UK restricting installation of 
Chinese-linked surveillance cameras in government buildings over security fears. The 
article covers the United Kingdom’s Government cease on installing a number of 
Chinese made technologies.
DJI Drones Media

On 18 April 2023, Inside Imaging published an article titled DJI's role in Australian 
Defence under scrutiny. The article reported on the history of DJI done use in the ADF.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Page 6 of 8

Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
Division:
Defence Security  Division
PDR No: 
SB23-000423
Prepared by: 
Cleared by Division Head: 
Simon Buckley, Assistant Secretary, Security 
Peter West, First Assistant Secretary, 
Policy and Services.
Defence Security
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
   Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 25 May 2023
Date: 25 May 2023  
Consultation:  
Lieutenant General Simon Stuart, Chief of Army; 
Jason Armstrong, Assistant Secretary, East West Zone, Security and Estate Group; 
Marie Jackson, Assistant Secretary, North Central Zone, Security and Estate Group;
Mardi Jarvis Assistant Secretary, South East Zone, Security and Estate Group;
Sue Goodear, Assistant Secretary Program Management and Governance;
s47E(d)
, Director, Relocations and Housing (including Defence Housing Australia);
Jonathon Dean, Chief Information Security Officer, Chief Information Officer Group;
Renee Butler, Assistant Secretary Security, Threat and Assurance, Security and Estate 
Group; 
s47E(d)
, Director Security Assurance, Defence Security Division, Security and Estate 
Group;
Christie Boyd, Assistant Secretary Enterprise Technology Operations (ASETO), Chief 
Information Officer Group;
Ventia, JLL and BGIS.
All Base Managers, Senior ADF Officers, (SADFOs) and Head of Resident Units.
Consultation occurred throughout the Audit from February to April 2023, unless otherwise 
noted.
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date: 25 May 2023  
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary Security and Estate 
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000423
Last updated: 25 May 2023 
 Foreign Manufactured Devices
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Peter West
Document 41
Senate
Hikvision and Dahua Devices
Senator James Paterson
Question
1. Does your department, or any agency within your portfolio currently have any installed
devices at departmental or agency facilities provided or manufactured by Hikvision or Dahua,
including but not limited to security cameras, intercom systems, or access control systems.
2. If Hikvision or Dahua devices are in use, how many units and at how many sites.
Answer
1. Yes.
2. The Department of Defence is aware of one system at one site. This system is in the
process of being removed.
The Department of Defence is undertaking a comprehensive physical assessment of all
Defence sites by 30 April 2023. Any further devices identified will be removed as a priority.
Senate
Hikvision and Dahua Devices
Senator James Paterson
Question
Noting that the Government has confirmed its intention to remove all Hikvision and Dahua 
devices from all departmental or agency sites: 
a. have all affected departments and agencies within your portfolio commenced removing or
replacing the devices;
b. if yes, when did this activity commence;
c. if no, when will it commence; and
d. when is it expected to be completed.
Answer
Not yet tabled.
Senate
Hikvision and Dahua Devices
Senator James Paterson
Question
Does your department, or any agency within your portfolio use any technology manufactured 
or sold by DJI, including but not limited to drones, gimbals, cameras or accessories. 
If DJI technology is in use, which technology is used, which department or agency uses them, 
and how many units do they use.
Answer
Not yet tabled.
Prepared By: 
Cleared By: 
Name: Simon Buckley
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Assistant Secretary Security Policy and Services
Position: Deputy Secretary 
Division: Defence Security
Group: Security & Estate
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000424
Last updated: 1 May 2023
  Climate Risk Mitigation and Adaptation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Dan Fankhauser
Document 42
Talking Points
Defence Climate Responses

As one of the largest land holders in the Commonwealth, Defence includes climate risk, 
mitigation and disaster resilience into our planning and management of the estate.

Defence has been working to understand and mitigate climate effects for many years. 
We recognise the importance of environmental stewardship and the role it plays in 
enabling the Defence capability. 

Defence has driven its environmental management and climate response through the 
Defence Environmental Strategy 2016-2036 and the implementation of an 
environmental management system.

The Defence Climate and Disaster Resilience Policy was released in April 2021, which 
strengthened climate risk mitigation, adaptation and resilience measures, to deliver the 
enhanced support to civil authorities as outlined in the 2020 Defence Strategic Update.

The Defence Future Energy Strategy was approved in December 2022. This will provide 
the technology pathway for alternative low and zero emission fuel types for military 
platforms.

A detailed implementation plan for the energy transition is under development. This is 
due for completion in late 2024.

The One Defence Net Zero Roadmap will outline the organisational change and 
emissions reduction pathway to drive Defence to a Net Zero future. This is due for 
completion in mid-2023.

Defence has a funded program for renewable energy generation and storage across the 
Defence estate.

There is currently in excess of 4.8 megawatts of renewable energy installed and 
operational on the Defence estate.

Over 60 megawatts of renewable energy and 25 megawatt hours of battery energy 
storage is in development and delivery on the Defence estate.

While 64.8 megawatts represents about 5 percent of the total Defence consumption, it 
is designed to provide energy security and resilience to those bases which are off-grid 
or on the end of a weak grid.

The Defence Renewable Energy and Energy Security Program is currently investigating 
the introduction of further renewable energy and associated technologies. This will be 
achieved through:

diversifying energy supply and increasing energy independence by installing 
renewable energy systems; 
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Lyn Harvey
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Environment & Engineering
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Budget Estimates: May 2023
PDR No: SB23-000424
Last updated: 1 May 2023
  Climate Risk Mitigation and Adaptation
FOI 789/22/23 
Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Dan Fankhauser
Document 42

incorporating battery energy storage systems to increase energy resilience and 
improve power quality;

piloting microgrid projects at key sites to explore the potential for renewable 
energy to complement existing base electrical networks. This will increase the 
autonomous operation of a site and reduce reliance on diesel fuel; and 

investigating and managing risks associated with the introduction of new 
technology and electrical systems, such as cyber security and electromagnetic 
interference.

Defence requires all new and refurbished facilities to meet industry best practice 
through compliance with the Energy Efficiency in Government Operations Policy 2006, 
Defence’s Smart Infrastructure Handbook, and Building Energy Performance Manual 
for energy and water efficiency. 
Climate impacts to the Defence estate

Defence undertook climate risk studies on a number of bases in 2013 and training areas 
in 2018 to better understand climate risk impacts to the estate. 

These studies provided insights into plausible climate impacts on the built environment 
and surrounding critical infrastructure such as:

increased coastal inundation and riverine flooding that will cause instability to the 
electricity grid and cut road access for increased periods of time; and 

increased continuous extreme heat days which will require alternative design of 
airfields and training exercises to ensure safety.

Based on the modelling, recommendations for adaptation options were included in the 
studies to support planners. These included:

sea walls to protect from erosion;

minor building design such as electrical wiring and power to be placed a metre 
above the ground floor to minimise damage costs following flooding and improve 
ergonomics for building occupants; and 

in some cases alternative site selection within the base to minimise any potential 
damage. 
If pressed: Are the climate risk studies still current?

The 2013 studies were informed by the Fourth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate 
Change Report and the 2018 studies were informed by the Fifth Intergovernmental 
Panel on Climate Change Report.

The findings from both reports remain current in light of the Sixth Intergovernmental 
Panel on Climate Change Report.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Lyn Harvey
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Environment & Engineering
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Defence is partnering with the US Department of Defense to develop an Australian 
instance of the US Defense Climate Assessment Tool. 

This will enable climate impact modelling to be updated regularly to monitor any 
changes to planning assumptions. This is scheduled for completion in Quarter 2 of 
2023.
Background 

To meet the target of 43% reduction against 2005 baseline by 2030, Defence emissions 
will need to reduce by an additional 21 percent and be less than 832,000 tonnes in 
2030. 

Defence measures its greenhouse gas emissions in accordance with the Energy 
Efficiency in Government Operations methodology.
Defence Climate Response

Planned initiatives to meet the 43 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions are 
detailed in Attachment A.

The Defence Renewable Energy and Energy Security Program schedule 2018-2028 is 
detailed at Attachment B.
Defence Estate Climate Studies

The Defence estate study assessed 39 Defence bases in 2013. The study used 
projections based on the fourth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Report 
and applied the highest emissions pathway option (A1FI).

The Major Training Area study focused on 10 major Defence training area sites in 2018. 

The study used projections based on the Fifth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate 
Change Report and applied the highest emissions pathway option (RCP8.5).

In both studies, Defence applied the most granular and accurate national data available 
at that time to produce its projections. In both studies, the plausible upper range of sea 
level rise was applied through to the year 2100. 

In 2019-21 a small number of site-specific studies were delivered as an extension of the 
program of work.

These studies considered additional climate risks (such as extreme temperatures, high 
winds and rainfall, and riverine flooding), as well as local government adaptation 
planning.
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Lyn Harvey
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Environment & Engineering
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Dan Fankhauser
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Supporting Information
Questions on Notice


No QoNs asked.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Requests 

On 8 November 2022, an individual sought access under Freedom of Information to 
documentation relating to the impacts of climate change on RAAF Base Tindal. 
Documents were released on 22 December 2022.

On 25 October 2022, an individual sought access under Freedom of Information to 
documentation relating to all documents related to a range of investments to drive a 
43 percent reduction in ADF Greenhouse Gas Emissions, all documents that describe 
the methodology to measure ADF emissions and documents related to ADF climate 
action and/or mitigation plans. A notice of practical refusal under section 24AA was 
provided to the applicant on 31 October 2022.
Recent Ministerial Comments 

On 3 February 2023, the Deputy Prime Minister released the Joint Statement on 
Australia-U.K. Ministerial Consultations (AUKMIN) 2023, committing to reducing and 
mitigating the climate impacts of our respective defence activities.

On 7 December 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister released the Joint Statement on 
Australia-U.S. Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) 2022, committing to pursuing urgent 
action on climate change as a new pillar of the U.S.-Australia Alliance.

On 14 July 2022, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence acknowledged 
the critical importance of addressing the threat of climate change during a meeting 
with the US Secretary of Defense.

On 16 June 2022, the Prime Minister formalised a pledge to reduce greenhouse gas 
emissions by 43 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030 and achieve Net Zero by 2050.
Relevant Media Reporting 

On 1 March 2023, The Conversation published an article on Political instability and 
damage to infrastructure: how climate change could undermine Australia’s national 
security, stating climate change is impacting critical infrastructure, straining Defence 
capacity and possibly of increasing political instability in the region.

On 8 December 2022, The Guardian published Australia needs ‘wartime mobilisation’ 
response to climate crisis, security leaders say. The publication covered statements 
from the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group made to a Defence policy review.  
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Lyn Harvey
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Environment & Engineering
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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Key witnesses: Celia Perkins; Dan Fankhauser
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Division:
Infrastructure
PDR No: 
SB23-000424
Prepared by:
Cleared by Division Head: 
Lyn Harvey, Acting Assistant Secretary, 
Dan Fankhauser, First Assistant Secretary, 
Environment and Engineering
Infrastructure
Mob: s22
  Ph: s47E(d)
Mob: s22
     Ph: s47E(d)
Date: 2 April 2023
Date: 3 April 2023 
Consultation:  Nil.
Cleared by DSR: 
Date: 01 May 2023
Alison West, Acting First Assistant Secretary 
Implementation
Cleared by Deputy Secretary:
Date:  06 April 2023 
Celia Perkins, Deputy Secretary, Security and Estate
Prepared By:
Cleared By: 
Name: Lyn Harvey
Name: Celia Perkins
Position: Acting Assistant Secretary Environment & Engineering
Position: Deputy Secretary
Division: Infrastructure
Group/Service: Security and Estate Group
Phone: s22
Phone: s47E(d)  / s22
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